I'm tired of bloodthirsty people.

[MannyGoldstein]

All of 'em.

When is enough, enough?

[grahamhgreen]

1. Kick;)

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[MannyGoldstein]

3. Thanks.

I caught it about one second after posting.

Fat fingers on touchscreen.

[Electric Monk]

2. You can never have enough of something you didn't really need in the first place.

[Granny M]

69. So true, Electric Monk. nt

[sabrina 1]

4. You're not the only one, the world is sick of them. How to stop them is the problem. We THOUGHT

we had stopped them in 2008, but that didn't work. So what now?

[Electric Monk]

5. Line em all up against the wall and.... oh, never mind, that'd make us as bad as them.

[sabrina 1]

9. I'd settle for putting them all behind bars where they can no longer do any more harm.

The world has been taken over by psychopaths imho. They have no emotions, no compassion, no interest in human beings who are not a part of their small, but powerful world.

But it is the people who are to blame. Anyone who supports or excuses or tries to explain all this away, is as guilty as they are. Without that blind support, they never could have gained the power they have.

I will never, ever support ANYONE who voted for these wars. No way. And the day when a majority of the people take a stand finally, will be the day they begin to lose the power they have right now.

I'm counting on the younger generation. The rest are too indoctrinated to be able to see clearly. But they young are way more informed and are pretty much immune to the Corporate Media propandists.

[MrMickeysMom]

13. I know you're counting on more than the young, sabrina...

But, then, the young, who are the growing single populations who don't really vote and don't have much of a future, but lots of student loan debt, have way more reasons to take it to the street.

Still, it is up to my generation, who represent their parents to get out and DO something. I thought that had begun again with yesterday's protests. You saw the media try to kill it.

My generation has to increase it's savvy with social media and make the connection between our past protesting and what we do now. It's not happening as it should, and that is disturbing me to great ends. I should be at the age where I can do what I just said, yet, I'm trying to erase the last of my own debt. I feel the time running away…

This insanity can either make one feel helpless, or give it the push we finally need to make them hear us.

[sabrina 1]

38. Yesterday did give me hope. But as you said, the Media ignored it. I posted an OP

here on DU but I guess here there is little interest in what really is one of the most important issues facing the world today. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025574825 Many important people participated, normally just that would get media attention.

If you check the link there is a statement by John Kerry saying that Climate Change is one of the most important issues facing us today.

Hillary was not there nor did she issue a statement of support for this Global event.

You are right, I am not totally depending on the younger generation, but look at the state of the world despite all the efforts of good people over the past several decades.

I know eventually things will have to change, history shows that nothing lasts forever. But right now all I see is that the people's opinion doesn't matter at all.

Anyhow, thanks for your response, people like you do give me hope.

[d_r]

36. they can appear to themselves every day on closed circuit t.v.

[jamzrockz]

14. The neocons

never lose. Change the ruling part and they have their guys in the democratic party carry on their policy. If they are not poking the Russian bear, they are picking fights with ME, African, South America or east asian..

[sabrina 1]

47. Yes, that has become obvious. The party may change, but the policies of the neocons

don't. They are psychopaths but how did these fringe loonies get control of this country, that is the question?

[grahamhgreen]

43. How? Never give up.

[leftstreet]

6. Humanitarian mission: Military Contractors Without Borders n/t

[adirondacker]

34. !

NICE One!

[WillyT]

7. It's The Killer Apes Manny... Many Have Devolved... Others... Not So Much...

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Then you're also tired of Elizabeth Warren, right?

Considering her backing of Israel's actions in Gaza and her support for sending Israel advanced weapons?

Also her statement that destroying ISIS should be our No. 1 priority.

[sabrina 1]

11. Yes, if she is on board with all this bloodshed, I have no more respect for her than any of the

others. Why do you think that people will be influenced by politicians they respect AFTER that politician acts in a way that shows they do not deserve that respect?

I have zero problem refusing to continue to support even my most respected Representative once they do something that shows they do not deserve that respect.

[JI7]

17. wasn't Keith Ellison the only one to vote against Israel and the Current Syria funding ?

and yet you don't see people talk him up for President. is it because he is black and muslim ?

[sabrina 1]

39. A lone voice. It may be because he is Muslim. There have been others who refused to

go along, Dennis Kucinich eg. Cynthia McKinney, but they don't seem to last long once they oppose these policies. They are smeared, redistricted, basically 'run out of town'.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Yes? You speak for MannyGoldstein?

He's tired of Elizabeth Warren.

Since you apparently speak for Manny, why keep the Elizabeth Warren 2016 signature line?

[MannyGoldstein]

29. Ultimately, even I don't speak for MannyGoldstein

Thoughtful Democrats know that the Atman is the Brahman.

Peace.

[Cali_Democrat]

30. How would you define a bloodthirsty person in this case?

Someone who supports policies such as bombing and supplying weapons to apartheid states like Israel?

Or somebody who chops someone's head off in front of a camera with a knife?

Or Both?

Just curious....

[sabrina 1]

46. Or a nation that invades a sovereign country and slaughters over one million of its

citizens, tortures and maims untold numbers of others, rapes its women, sodomizes its children, hell, rapes its teenage girls.

Are you aware of the atrocities committed by the 'Allied Forces' against the innocent people of Iraq and Afghanistan?

I can provide you examples, but it would take weeks to document all the atrocities, and that's just what we KNOW. Is it better to torture to death untold numbers of people or to behead innocent people?

Are we REALLY in a position to be so outraged over any atrocity at this point? And how about our allies? Bahrain? Know anything about that dictatorship and its years long abuse and brutality towards its own people? How about the Saudis? Know how they put people to death over there, for stealing eg, or how they treat GAYS and women? How about Qatar? Read much about THAT dictatorship?

The hypocrisy is simply stunning. Maybe IF we had prosecuted our War Criminals, or cut ties with the dictatorships we call 'allies', we could claim the moral high ground. But we didn't, did we?

Know anything about another of our allies to whom OUR TAX DOLLARS GO to help keep him in power, Karamov of Uzbekistan?? Boiling people in oil and dropping their bodies off at the homes of their families?? How do you feel about THAT? Your taxes keep him in luxury. Have you ever expressed OUTRAGE over THOSE VICTIMS?? Genocide, remember that?

Please, maybe fifteen years ago before our OWN brutal war crimes were public knowledge, at least some of them, we could be outraged over barbarism. But we are used to it now, aren't we, used to looking at the photos of the bodies of babies in Fallujah, eg, with their skin burned off by White Phospherous?

That's the problem when you drag a once compassionate people into a brutal, vicious war and make excuses for the torture of human beings. It's getting harder to SHOCK us.

[J_J_]

66. + Infinity

"The hypocrisy is simply stunning. Maybe IF we had prosecuted our War Criminals, or cut ties with the dictatorships we call 'allies', we could claim the moral high ground. But we didn't, did we? "

[DisgustipatedinCA]

64. What in the holy fuck is so difficult for you to understand?

He's tired of bloodthirsty people. Do you get that?

[sabrina 1]

41. I speak for myself. Manny speaks for himself. You need to ask him what he thinks.

I've already told you what I think. What about you? Are you willing to continue to support a candidate you had faith in if they betray that trust? I see no reason to do that.

[Cali_Democrat]

50. I did ask him....not sure why you decided to jump in. LOL. nt

[JI7]

18. her opposition was towards funds for weapons to the rebels, not to the bombing

[Feral Child]

52. Yes.

These "gotcha" questions are silly. It's a puerile tactic.

If she's backing more war, then yes, I am disillusioned with her. There's no inconsistency with my pacifism.

[marble falls]

12. Its never enough. Itsalways just this one more massacre will fix everything.

[Electric Monk]

15. One more fix will fix it right up. Then we'll be good. Just one more fix.

Sounds a lot like a heroin junkie, doesn't it?

[J_J_]

67. yes, they are junkies for money, stealing from all of us to get their fix

We do need to approach this like they are mentally ill.

Do we normally just allow addicted people to steal from everyone to get their fix and just keep going and going no matter how obviously detrimental to themselves and everyone around them?

Normally when this truth is discovered, there is an intervention, the addicted person is removed from the addicted substance, put in a treatment center until they stop harming themselves and other people.

Then there could be support groups, to help them talk about why there were so damn greedy in the first place. What went wrong? Help them deal with their own issues instead of taking it out on the rest of us.

They formerly addicted to money can then attend weekly meetings to make sure they do not fall in the the trap of sociopathic assholishness again.

[dflprincess]

16. It's not so much that their bloodthirsty it's thst their greedy

And war is such an easy way to make a lot of money. I doubt they even think about the blood shed

[FlatStanley]

19. When it's not my President, of course.

[Throd]

21. Me too, but we're gonna have to kill 'em all first before we can have a polite society.

[Cleita]

22. Stop paying your income taxes.

It's the last recourse you have. Yes, they will come after you and ruin your life. But the risk is the same the civil rights workers took and many paid with their actual lives.

No taxes. No money in the Treasury. Rich people and mega-corporations don't pay anyway. But since they are getting their profits from our Treasury, when you turn off that spigot, the MIC can't keep the blood/money economy spinning when ther is no money unless they borrow it and borrow it they will until ther is no actual money to pay the interest on it.

The way you do it is to claim enough deductions to not have withholding. Then file quarterly taxes but don't pay them. It's on file. You did the honest thing, however, they will send the IRS after you to crucify you. But they are so slow it will take a few years. In the meantime you put the money owed in escrow.

Just a thought.

[Nye Bevan]

24. Worst advice ever. I hope nobody is tempted to follow it (nt)

[Cleita]

25. I will admit it's awful, like facing militarized police in a protest in the South

circa the Sixties. AND it's not advice, only a suggestion, but what needs to be done. However, I myself would recommend careful thought, a constituency and a real knowledge of the consequences.

[Zorra]

23. Trust us, Manny, we know. They are monsters, and there's lots of them out there.

And they breed more bloodsuckers every day.

[Hissyspit]

26. We should kill them all.

[blm]

71. ; )

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[SomethingFishy]

76. Even that isn't working...

That seems to be our current policy.

[woo me with science]

27. Moral depravity.

From the One Percent who profit, to the craven media, to the soulless politicians, to the morally bankrupt propagandists.

How can so many people be so absent of conscience? How do you offer yourself to work for this evil, and then go home and look in the eyes of your family or your neighbors, and live with yourself?

[Enthusiast]

45. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!

[Scuba]

53. + another

[rhett o rick]

60. Good question. nm

[sabrina 1]

84. I don't think such people have ANY problem looking their families in the eyes. They are psychopaths

They truly believe that bombing and torturing people is the RIGHT thing to do. It's hard for normal human beings who possess the ability to empathize, to have compassion for others, to know right from wrong, to understand such people. But every so often throughout history they manage to get into power and hold onto it by any means until finally there is critical moment where they are finally stopped.

The slaughter in the ME that has gone on for decades, the lies told to try to justify it, will be looked back on in history as one of those terrible periods we look back on now, but didn't live through. The sad thing is that they ALWAYS have enablers for one reason or another and it is THEY imo, who are the most responsible for the bloodbaths they engage in because without that support they would never manage to do what they do.

I used to wonder how Hitler, evil as he was, was not toppled by the German people. Why didn't they stop him before he gained so much power?

Now I know the answer to that questionl.

[DavidG_WI]

28. I take it...

You've never drank any, its actually pretty tasty.

[ReRe]

31. Vampires never get enough, Manny :-( n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. I've met some on the Right that want to wipe ALL "Arabs" from the planet....

There is something about these guys that they just LOVE the idea of mass genocide in the BILLIONS.

Don't believe it?

Mention China.

[gordianot]

33. On family average for males in my family I have at best 25 years.

That will be enough. It would allow me to see my Granddaughter grow up and maybe meet some more Grandchildren. I might be able to have some good days on our farm. Yes maybe 25 years is enough on occasions I might read about blood thirsty people. On the downside I expect another Republican President as bad or worse than George Bush and reading about stupid people will raise my blood pressure cutting short those 25 years.

[liberal_at_heart]

35. me too Manny, me too.

[samsingh]

37. how do you stop bloodthirsty people?

[Initech]

40. Fuck the military industrial complex.

Fuck Blackwater, fuck Halliburton, fuck Raytheon, fuck KBR, fuck 'em all!!! Fuck perpetual war.

[Egnever]

42. You need a nap?

[ronnie624]

49. Too many people are asleep already.

I hope you're not one of them.

[Enthusiast]

44. Kicked and recommended! I'm with you, Brother.

[newfie11]

48. K&R

[Rex]

51. You can feel any way you want to. The MIC will still continue feeding on trillions of dollars

that we don't have. Sadly the way we feel or what we say, has no effect on the Monster. You would have to buy all of Congress and then convince them to work a few weeks a month to make any kind of change. Then take on all of Wall Street next.

Remember how OWS worked out? The Authority went apeshit and Wall Street won.

[WillyT]

54. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Autumn]

55. For them Manny, it will never be enough.

I'm with you, I'm sick of them.

[G_j]

56. agree

the 'powers that be' continue to appeal to the worst in human nature.

[Jefferson23]

57. When have they ever achieved a positive outcome? It's difficult to watch time and again. n/t

[99Forever]

58. Good question, Manny.

They suck on every level.

[woo me with science]

59. kick

[edgineered]

61. k&r

[Iggo]

62. It's never enough.

[pampango]

63. I think we all are. What do you do about them though? n/t

[brooklynite]

65. Like President Obama?

You believe he enjoys undertaking military action?

[SomethingFishy]

77. Do you think President Obama and the USA did everything in their power

before going to war?

Do you think war is being used as a last resort?

Obama may not enjoy it, but he sure uses it a lot.

[brooklynite]

78. What additional steps would you consider appropriate?

ISIS doesn't appear to be open to negotiation or susceptible to economic pressure, and if we arrange for other entities to do the military action, its really no different, is it?

[SomethingFishy]

81. Then we go where we are asked.

If ISIS won't talk we ask who wants our protection from ISIS and we go in and protect them. ISIS has according to all reports approx 30,000 members. Are you telling me that our 1.4 million soldiers, 8,000 tanks, 2000 fighter jets, 10 aircraft carriers, thousands of surface to air missiles, hundreds of drones, and 5000 Nuclear warheads cannot protect Syrian and Iraqi towns from 30,000 ISIS members? If that's true then we need to rethink our fucking military.

Why has war become "pro-active"? Is this a "pre-crime" world where we attack people because of something they might do in the future? What ever happened to having an army to defend yourself with? When is the last time our army was actually used to Defend America? And I don't mean that "protecting our freedoms" bullshit.

I don't see this as us "defending" anyone. I see it as us protecting our interests in the middle east. If we were so worried about Sharia Law then we would not be kissing the hand of Saudi Arabia.

[blkmusclmachine]

68. When we make war unprofitable.

War = Death = PROFIT = War

[Helen Borg]

70. Vampires are not people.

[marlene.elyse]

72. I saw a quote the other day

"Under peaceful conditions, the warlike man attacks himself."

~Nietzsche


BTW, is there a senate psychologist? because Lindsey Graham's condition is deteriorating.

[Dont call me Shirley]

73. Me too. Petty, small-minded war makers and their weapons galore, very very wearisome.

[marble falls]

74. Now. I'm with you, Mannie.

[whereisjustice]

75. It is displaced aggression and a convenient distraction from the REAL problems crippling the US.

The problems we have here at home are far worse than anything ISIS could conceive.

[AngryAmish]

79. My friend, you are tired of human nature.

It will never change.

[MannyGoldstein]

83. My former neighbor would disagree...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature

It may actually be getting much better.

But any homicide is still awful.

[KJG52]

80. Me Too... eom

[LWolf]

82. Me, too. nt