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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:06 AM Sep 2014

Shocking Racist Ideas Are Getting Treated as Science in Leading National Publications

http://www.alternet.org/media/shocking-racist-ideas-are-getting-treated-science-leading-national-publications

Nicholas Wade was a leading New York Times science writer for three decades, at one point the editor of the “Science Times” section. He retired from full-time work at the paper in 2012, and in May 2014 published A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, a book that has been described as a full-throated defense of “scientific racism” (New Statesman, 5/20/14). Wade’s embrace of the pseudoscience of eugenics raises questions about his tenure at theTimes, and about corporate media vigilance when it comes to racism.

Media frequently fail to challenge racism in high places (FAIR Blog, 6/27/14) - in part because some highly placed corporate media figures are themselves attracted to racialist ideologies. Extra! ( 4/05) documented this after New York Times columnists David Brooks ( 12/7/04) and John Tierney ( 10/24/04) approvingly cited the work of Steve Sailer, a central figure in the promotion of racist and anti-immigrant theories.

For his part, Brooks praised a Sailer article in the American Conservative (12/20/04) that celebrated white people who flouted the Western trend toward declining birth rates, having lots of children and leaving behind what Brooks called the “disorder, vulgarity and danger” of cities to move to “clean, orderly” suburban and exurban settings where they can “protect their children from bad influences.” Sailer himself made clear what those bad influences were, mentioning “ghetto hellions,” “illegal immigrants and other poor minorities.”

In 1994, when Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray published The Bell Curve, a book espousing the so-called “academic racist” theories that black people are inherently less intelligent and more prone to crime than whites or Asians, the New York Times Book Review ( 10/16/94) published a fawning, credulous review by Times science reporter Malcolm Browne.
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Shocking Racist Ideas Are Getting Treated as Science in Leading National Publications (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
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I suspect that these racist pseudo-scientists chervilant Sep 2014 #2
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Troll Alert! Troll Alert! Troll Alert! TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #4
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"Father of DNA"? You do realize he co-disovered it, not invented it, right? ck4829 Sep 2014 #12
I hope you actually alerted Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #10
I alerted on post #6 hobbit709 Sep 2014 #13
Good choice! Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #15
Yes, I did. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #19
Thank you! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #21
I did also. n/t jen63 Sep 2014 #32
Thank you! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #34
It was certainly my pleasure. jen63 Sep 2014 #45
And this one wasn't subtle... Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #47
A garden variety, racist troll jen63 Sep 2014 #51
I counted four of him - so far. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #53
Going for the daily double there, Name Removed? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #5
I think you may be in the wrong place, jen63 Sep 2014 #7
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not long here AngryAmish Sep 2014 #11
I don't figure..... n/t jen63 Sep 2014 #14
wow. is this ever vile. I encourage people to read the entire piece cali Sep 2014 #9
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Define race ck4829 Sep 2014 #24
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You defined zero races. ck4829 Sep 2014 #29
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MIRT ALERT! the troll is back for the next round! kwassa Sep 2014 #43
The Only 'Politics', Sir, Is Your Attachment To White Supremacy The Magistrate Sep 2014 #44
A hundred years ago, I would not have been considered 'white' ck4829 Sep 2014 #46
Genetically distinct groups of humans exist in the world. cheapdate Sep 2014 #50
Thank you ck4829 Sep 2014 #54
Do you mean, like the diff between safeinOhio Sep 2014 #33
I agree!!! get the red out Sep 2014 #57
read the article and go to some of the linked articles cali Sep 2014 #35
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Really? Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #59
Cali, is your last sentence a quote from the article? brush Sep 2014 #61
Would you prefer 'bad science' or 'junk science'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #37
K&R Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #16
ha, it mentions asshole Andrew Sullivan dedicating a whole issue of "The New Republic" m-lekktor Sep 2014 #17
+1 xchrom Sep 2014 #18
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Back for thirds? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #23
Apparently so... Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #31
Eh. Anybody can get a degree in a science. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #39
What exactly are 'all the races'? ck4829 Sep 2014 #25
At Elite Media, ‘Scientific’ Racists Fit in Fine G_j Sep 2014 #27
Actual scientists take issue with Wade's book. alarimer Sep 2014 #28
You are the bad influence on the entire planet, David. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #30
the David Brooks column is amazing Enrique Sep 2014 #36
Fascists need justification for their hypocrisies. Edwin Black explained the USA Connection... Octafish Sep 2014 #38
Just another chapter of shameful American history mountain grammy Sep 2014 #58
I learned about his work because of the illegal, secret radiation experiments on US children. Octafish Sep 2014 #60
this op certainly is troll bait. cali Sep 2014 #40
And a good piece of information. Its good that racists fall for the opportunity to spew: we get to.. marble falls Sep 2014 #49
The bell curve is a disgusting book abelenkpe Sep 2014 #48
Racism almost seems ok if its polite. But polite shit is shit all the same. marble falls Sep 2014 #52
A shiny polished turd is still a turd. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #55
'zactly right. And we gotta call it out every single time. marble falls Sep 2014 #56
Ha, nothing fires up a racist more than "science" that validates them mountain grammy Sep 2014 #62
Sometimes I'd like to believe the internet trolls are of another race. hunter Sep 2014 #63
You know, you'd think eventually we could move beyond this Beach Rat Sep 2014 #64
here's my rogues' gallery MisterP Sep 2014 #65

Response to xchrom (Original post)

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
2. I suspect that these racist pseudo-scientists
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:26 AM
Sep 2014

would call NdT, Obama, Parks, King, Hurston, Angelou, Ellison, Ashe, Robinson, Washington, Mandela, Lewis, Owens, Freeman, Winfrey, Malcolm X, and countless others 'rare anomalies.'



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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #4)

Rhiannon12866

(205,074 posts)
15. Good choice! Thanks!
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:00 AM
Sep 2014

And he's gone - again. Looks like he came back to finish his argument. MIRT never sleeps...

jen63

(813 posts)
7. I think you may be in the wrong place,
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:45 AM
Sep 2014

and I'm being very, very nice. You really need to stumble back to Stormfront.

Response to jen63 (Reply #7)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. wow. is this ever vile. I encourage people to read the entire piece
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:51 AM
Sep 2014

it's shocking and that Wade was editor of the science section at the NYT is very disturbing.

Not only is it shocking, it's profoundly stupid and unscientific. It's political shit- pro-capitalist and anti-socialism, among other things.

Response to cali (Reply #9)

ck4829

(35,041 posts)
24. Define race
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:35 AM
Sep 2014

What exactly does race mean? Is it really possible to define something that is a social construct, somethat that has changed over the centuries, in terms of evolution?

That is what makes it unscientific.

Response to ck4829 (Reply #24)

Response to ck4829 (Reply #29)

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
44. The Only 'Politics', Sir, Is Your Attachment To White Supremacy
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:07 AM
Sep 2014

A belief which must comfort you somewhat in the dreary wreckage of your soul and and your life....

ck4829

(35,041 posts)
46. A hundred years ago, I would not have been considered 'white'
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:12 AM
Sep 2014

Were people right back then to say I'm not white or are they right today to say I am?

And of course it matters, science is about having objective standards and measurements; if you are using arbitrary, ever-changing, and subjective research methods and definitions, then no it's not science.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
50. Genetically distinct groups of humans exist in the world.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

Science has moved beyond gross taxonomic classification of human "races". The study of genetics and new techniques and abilities, such as the ability to map human genomes, have given us a richer understanding of the human species.

There are genetically distinct groups of humans in the world. The Quechua people of Peru are a distinct group.

We use the term "ethnic group" more usually now instead of "race". "Ethnic group" encompasses more of what we know today about our species.

ck4829

(35,041 posts)
54. Thank you
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:23 AM
Sep 2014

That's not what our little friend seems to get. He's saying they're not the same, I'm still waiting on his categorizations of them, so far he has yet to deliver one.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. read the article and go to some of the linked articles
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:51 AM
Sep 2014

there are examples and detailed explanations as to why it's unscientific. In the AlterNet article and the linked articles, no critic says that "all races are the same".

and here is piece that delves into specifics:

http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/pageDocuments/ZGEJ0HFEM4.pdf

and can you see why this is not scientific?

Populations that live at high altitudes, like Tibetans, represent another adaptation to extreme environments. The adaptation of Jews to capitalism is another such evolutionary process.”

Response to cali (Reply #35)

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
59. Really?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:19 AM
Sep 2014
The adaptation of Jews to capitalism is another such evolutionary process.

Please Cali, if we were evolved for capitalism as you suggest; I wouldn't be living in poverty.

brush

(53,759 posts)
61. Cali, is your last sentence a quote from the article?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:46 AM
Sep 2014

Please tell me it is. If not, you need to rethink that as this can't be what you mean:

"The adaptation of Jews to capitalism is another such evolutionary process.”

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
37. Would you prefer 'bad science' or 'junk science'?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:54 AM
Sep 2014

People who aren't too good at science come in with preconceived ideas of what sort of results they want, then, no shock, get those results, because they don't consider alternative explanations or eliminate confounding factors in their 'studies'.

Lower birthrates among 'whites'? Whites have always been 'ahead of the curve' because they've exploited peoples with other skin tones more thoroughly. So 'white' countries got to first world status more quickly, and had more time and energy to devote to things other than survival, such as education. When your women are devoting more time to learning, and less to bearing children, the birth rate drops. But it's not because they're 'white'. We see the exact same decline in birth rates in any country in which education for women is embraced more fully. So it's not a product of 'skin tone', it's a product of national wealth and stability.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
17. ha, it mentions asshole Andrew Sullivan dedicating a whole issue of "The New Republic"
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:06 AM
Sep 2014

to the racist "Bell Curve" book back when he was editor of that magazine. I can remember that.

Response to xchrom (Original post)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
39. Eh. Anybody can get a degree in a science.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:01 AM
Sep 2014

'scientist' is a next to meaningless word these days. I've got a handful of degrees in the sciences, but I rarely refer to myself as a 'scientist' and then mostly ironically. You want to show your mad science skills, you list your field(s). Are you a chemist? a biochemist? a physicist? a crystallographer? a mineralogist? That actually shows where maybe your knowledge is actually relevant to the discussion at hand. In many cases, a 'scientist' in one field can have less knowledge than a layman about another field, if that layman is interested in the other field.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
28. Actual scientists take issue with Wade's book.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:42 AM
Sep 2014

The following article is a good take-down.


http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/08/geneticists-decry-book-race-and-evolution

A best-seller by former New York Times science writer Nicholas Wade about recent human evolution and its potential effects on human cultures has drawn critical reviews since its spring publication. Now, nearly 140 senior human population geneticists around the world, many of whose work was cited in the book, have signed a letter to The New York Times Book Review stating that Wade has misinterpreted their work. The letter criticizes “Wade’s misappropriation of research from our field to support arguments about differences among human societies,” and is slated to appear in the 10 August issue of the Book Review. It’s available online today.

The book, A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, contends that human races are a biological reality and that recent human evolution has led to racial differences in economic and social behavior. In the book, Wade suggests that such genetic differences may help explain why some people live in tribal societies and some in advanced civilizations, why African-Americans are allegedly more violent than whites, and why the Chinese may be good at business.

The book has received some blistering reviews from both scientists and science writers, including one by David Dobbs in The New York Times Book Review, and some scientists weighed in with blogs as well. Now, geneticists have crafted a joint response, concluding that “there is no support from the field of population genetics for Wade’s conjectures.” The list of signatories reads like a who’s who of researchers in the field and includes such well-known geneticists as Evan Eichler of the University of Washington, Seattle; David Goldstein of Duke University; and Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona.

The letter was spearheaded by five population geneticists who had informally discussed the book at conferences, says co-organizer Rasmus Nielsen of the University of California, Berkeley. “There was a feeling that our research had been hijacked by Wade to promote his ideological agenda,” Nielsen says. “The outrage … was palpable.” Molly Przeworski of Columbia University, another organizer, says the group “tried to contact population geneticists whose work had been cited by Wade.” They had no trouble getting signatures, racking up 100 within the first week, she says.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
30. You are the bad influence on the entire planet, David.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:47 AM
Sep 2014

You and your rich spoiled little brat pack must continuously pull facts out of thin air to prove your false sense of superiority. Guess what, you are the same as everyone else, no better, no worse. If you could understand that you might become a truly productive human being!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
36. the David Brooks column is amazing
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:54 AM
Sep 2014

he slips in "white fertility rates", even though he makes no other mention of race. This tells me the whole thing is about white people and that that is supposed to be understood. When he says "people" he means "white people". It's not clear what he thinks minorities are.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Fascists need justification for their hypocrisies. Edwin Black explained the USA Connection...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:55 AM
Sep 2014
Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

by Edwin Black
Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a so-called Master Race.

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at "improving" the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the 20th century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little-known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles Goethe, as well as members of the California state Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

CONTINUED...

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/www.sfgate.com/index.html

PS: Edwin Black is one of the greatest investigative journalists and authors in history, once a top reporter at The New York Times. In my opinion, he should be required reading for all high school and college students. For some reason, his works get almost no coverage in American media. Instead, Corporate McPravda is filled more and more with bilge from the likes of Mr. Wade. It's how history keeps repeating the same mistakes, democracy disappears, the rich get richer, and the rest of the nation is used for cannon fodder for wars without end.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
58. Just another chapter of shameful American history
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:13 AM
Sep 2014

that is never taught in school. This is the very definition of "institutional racism."

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
60. I learned about his work because of the illegal, secret radiation experiments on US children.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:29 AM
Sep 2014
Know Your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

When the media and academia ignore what the secret government is doing to the People, Democracy has an existential problem.

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
49. And a good piece of information. Its good that racists fall for the opportunity to spew: we get to..
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

remember that we are an oasis, that there's a lot of idiots out there filled with some hateful shit. The good part is we get the reminder and then these people are moved out.

Haven't run into you lately, hope all is good.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
62. Ha, nothing fires up a racist more than "science" that validates them
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:55 AM
Sep 2014

even though they actually don't believe in science.

Beach Rat

(273 posts)
64. You know, you'd think eventually we could move beyond this
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:10 AM
Sep 2014

It may seem trite but you would think that if a cheesy 45 year old Star Trek episode makes these arguments seem stupid it might start to sink in that they actually are stupid. Where does this crap come from and why does it continually perpetuate? When I read stuff like this I think we are doomed as a race-the human race that is. We won't survive to suffer the consequences of climate change. We'll all be dead way before that.

Bele meets with Kirk and Spock, where it is quickly revealed that Bele believes his black and white coloration to be superior to Lokai's — "I am black on the right side" ... "Lokai is white on the right side. All of his people are white on the right side" — even though Kirk sees no difference in the two and refuses to agree in Bele's convictions of racial superiority.

Both Lokai and Bele stare silently at the destruction on the monitor and realize they are the only ones left of their race (or, as they see it, their "races&quot . Instead of calling a truce, the two beings begin to blame each other for the destruction of the planet and a brawl ensues. As the two aliens fight, their innate powers radiate, cloaking them with an energy aura that threatens to damage the ship. With no other choice, Kirk sadly allows the two aliens to chase each other down to their obliterated world to decide their own fates, consumed by their now self-perpetuating mutual hate. Forlorn, Lt. Uhura asks if their hate is all they ever had. Kirk ruefully says, "No — but it is all they have left."


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