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snooper2

(30,151 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:43 PM Sep 2014

The Worst Fish in America: Asian Carpocalpyse

Asian carp — a slimy, ugly, and often gargantuan species of invasive fish— have taken over many waterways in the United States. First introduced in the US in the 1960's to control weeds and parasites at aquatic farms in Arkansas, the bottom feeders eventually escaped and made their way through the Mississippi River system, eating almost everything in their path and severely damaging ecosystems across the Midwest. Today, government officials are concerned that the fish will invade the Great Lakes, destroy the ecosystem, wreak havoc on the area's multibillion dollar fishing industry, and spread to almost every major waterway in the Northeast.

VICE News traveled across Illinois to see how Americans are dealing with the Asian carp invasion, visiting a Redneck fishing tournament where the sole mission is to catch as many carp as possible, touring a processing plant trying to monetize the fish, and heading to Chicago, where we learned that Asian Carp are a symptom of a much larger issue.


VICE

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The Worst Fish in America: Asian Carpocalpyse (Original Post) snooper2 Sep 2014 OP
It's a shame they can't be enticed to eat exclusively zebra/quagga mussels. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #1
I would LOVE that. Raine1967 Sep 2014 #18
Easy! When winter comes, the gorillas simply freeze to death! (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #35
So. Many. Great. Jokes. I. Cannot. Make. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #2
Could they be made into cat food? KamaAina Sep 2014 #3
In the fish's native range, it is a popular food for humans Kaleva Sep 2014 #5
They must have some recipes for it KamaAina Sep 2014 #20
Seriously. One way to deal with invasive species is to eat them. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #33
Watch the video snooper2 Sep 2014 #7
I thought those are edible... Xyzse Sep 2014 #4
I'm pretty sure Aerows Sep 2014 #12
As long as you don't use CORN FLAKE breading, lol pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #16
OH GOD! Aerows Sep 2014 #19
Now I'm wondering whether these carp can breast-feed LiberalEsto Sep 2014 #48
I'm a big fan of steaming fish. Xyzse Sep 2014 #17
Many years ago . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #21
Just ask for steamed fish. Xyzse Sep 2014 #25
A lot of the hole in the wall places in NYC are like that--AMAZING BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #32
They're popular here in India. "Rohu" IIRC. They're better in curry than as tikka. Recursion Sep 2014 #36
Sounds delicious. Xyzse Sep 2014 #40
Don't worry. These guys are on it. B2G Sep 2014 #6
The phrase "Stunts Performed by Trained Professionals" NCTraveler Sep 2014 #8
I'm ashamed to admit I watched the whole thing BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #34
They have more on Youtube B2G Sep 2014 #37
Couldn't they be harvested and used for as fish for making fertilizer? nt Zorra Sep 2014 #9
Exactly my thought - grind them up and ship as fertilizer. Hestia Sep 2014 #23
Baked in a butter sauce with basil, salt & pepper Submariner Sep 2014 #27
Fish is great fertilizer on the garden. I have a small farm pond and B Calm Sep 2014 #39
Carpocalpyse? drm604 Sep 2014 #10
My first thought what do they taste like? Kalidurga Sep 2014 #11
That's my thought, too Aerows Sep 2014 #14
Carp are edible, but I think they taste disgusting and wouldn't eat one unless Zorra Sep 2014 #43
We have them here in the Wabash river. I use to take my boat B Calm Sep 2014 #13
Here's a good article Aerows Sep 2014 #15
I was a copy editor for 30 state outdoors magazines, RebelOne Sep 2014 #26
Looks like Aerows Sep 2014 #31
Grass carp taste OK. Eating them to non-threatening levels would be Ok HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #22
That guy on "How the States Got Their Shapes" went out on the Mississippi to check them out. Brigid Sep 2014 #24
It seems most DUers posting on this thread Jenoch Sep 2014 #28
That's ridiculous; they are native to Asia. alarimer Sep 2014 #29
I thought it silly too. Jenoch Sep 2014 #30
How does the electronic barrier affect only Asian Carp invaders? lonestarnot Sep 2014 #38
It probably doesn't. Hopefully they'll restock native fish B Calm Sep 2014 #44
Here's a link. Jenoch Sep 2014 #45
I agree the smart thing to do is monetize them. Puglover Sep 2014 #41
Solution: Change their name to Artisanal Carp and set the price at $27 per pound. FSogol Sep 2014 #42
Can't call them that VScott Sep 2014 #46
That is one of the dumbest things I've read this year snooper2 Sep 2014 #47
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Could they be made into cat food?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:47 PM
Sep 2014

They're obviously not gonna cut it as people food, although I'm sure the repukes would propose adding them to the school lunch program.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
5. In the fish's native range, it is a popular food for humans
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:55 PM
Sep 2014

"Asian carp have been a popular food fish in Asia for thousands of years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_carp

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
33. Seriously. One way to deal with invasive species is to eat them.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:50 AM
Sep 2014

Doesnt really work for stink bugs, though.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
4. I thought those are edible...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:52 PM
Sep 2014

Hmmm, it is not poisonous so it should be somewhat edible.

I am sure I can make something out of it.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
12. I'm pretty sure
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:30 PM
Sep 2014

if you batter and fry them, like they are doing to the lionfish of the coast of Florida, they would be just as delicious as everything else that is hauled out, made crispy and enjoyed by millions

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
21. Many years ago . . .
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 04:54 PM
Sep 2014

. . . a friend's fiance, who is Chinese and who was then an opera student at Juilliard, took a group of friends, including me, to a hole-in-the-wall of a restaurant on a side street in NYC's Chinatown. He did all the ordering for the group, and one of the things he ordered was flounder steamed with ginger. It was the first time I'd had steamed fish of any kind, and it was absolutely delicious. I tried going to the restaurant another time, without my Chinese friend, and searched in vain on the English menu for that dish, as well as some others my friend had ordered, but they were nowhere to be found on the menu provided to English-speaking customers!

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
25. Just ask for steamed fish.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:10 PM
Sep 2014

Actually it is very easy to do.
It is one of the simplest recipes too.

A Chinese woman told me you could even do it through a microwave.
I don't believe her though.
She said, put fresh fish on plate
Score three cuts on the side of the fish on one side
Add a little bit of soy sauce
Add a little bit of sesame oil
Add Ginger
Salt and pepper
Parsley

If you want, add chili peppers.

Thing is, I do the same thing with the same ingredients, and just place it on my steamer.
The water from the steam is what creates the sauce.

Good luck!

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
32. A lot of the hole in the wall places in NYC are like that--AMAZING
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:48 AM
Sep 2014

I went with a friend who ordered off the menu and a huge tableful of miraculous dishes arrived. But rather off-putting was when the waiter brought over a bucket with a jumping, gasping, live fish in it. I almost knocked over my chair, screaming. But my friend gave me a death look that kept me silent and explained later that it was customary to show the fish live to assure freshness.

I felt guilty when that fish arrived at our table, steamed, with whisps of ginger and a light soy sauce. But I pushed down the guilt when I tasted the cloud-like fish that made the music of the spheres in my mouth.

I was never able to replicate the experience without Chinese-speaking friends taking me to various places. My favorite dish turned out to be giant shrimp, baked in their shells atop rock salt and sprinkled with a chili & salt flourish. That method of cooking made the skins taste deep fried and the shrimp like juicy, velvet orgasmic fantasy food.

Oh god, I wish I could go back there right now...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
36. They're popular here in India. "Rohu" IIRC. They're better in curry than as tikka.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 03:17 AM
Sep 2014

But river fish in general are more popular in India than in the US. The turmeric, chili, and coconut milk seem to take the smell away.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
23. Exactly my thought - grind them up and ship as fertilizer.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:00 PM
Sep 2014

Why don't they use bigger nets? Instead of sucking up all the salmon and tuna from the oceans, can they not do the same once or twice year in the rivers? Yes, it would suck up native fish - what's left of them. Redneck Roundups aren't going to make that big of a difference. Actual commercial fisherman would.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
27. Baked in a butter sauce with basil, salt & pepper
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:59 PM
Sep 2014

it is an okay plump baked fillet.

It could be harvested cheap, made into fish sticks or blocks like McDonald's fish sammich, and feed either the country's prison population or the republican House & Senate cafeteria.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
39. Fish is great fertilizer on the garden. I have a small farm pond and
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:12 AM
Sep 2014

when I find a dead fish I normally put them on my compost pile and bury them with cow manure. The cow manure keeps the wild critters from digging the fish out and dragging it out in the yard. I use to bury the fish in the garden, but the critters would just dig them up.

I have 3 sterile Asian carp in my pond and they do a great job keeping the aquatic weeds out. They look like small submarines swimming around the pond. I'm guessing they are over 30 pounds each.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
10. Carpocalpyse?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:16 PM
Sep 2014

Is that a latin name for the fish or is it a misspelled play on the word apocalypse? I think it should be "carpocalypse".

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
11. My first thought what do they taste like?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:25 PM
Sep 2014

We have a real problem with affordable food in this country. These could be a cheaper alternative to say a fish like salmon and they appear to be very plentiful and easy to catch for now.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. That's my thought, too
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:31 PM
Sep 2014

Heck, fry them and I'm sure they taste as good as anything else. Can't be any worse than a fish stick.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
13. We have them here in the Wabash river. I use to take my boat
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:30 PM
Sep 2014

and go for boat rides up to Lafayette, Indiana. Too dangerous now days!

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
26. I was a copy editor for 30 state outdoors magazines,
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:20 PM
Sep 2014

and over the years, we had done numerous articles on those Asian carp in all the states affected by them.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. Grass carp taste OK. Eating them to non-threatening levels would be Ok
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 04:58 PM
Sep 2014

Of course, there is a pretty good chance that their fry will become the forage for Snakeheads, visions of whose toothy jaws have caused me to lose some sleep.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
24. That guy on "How the States Got Their Shapes" went out on the Mississippi to check them out.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:01 PM
Sep 2014

He said he did not believe the stories he had heard about them. Almost as soon as the motorboat was in motion, the carp started leaping (apparently they hate the noise and the vibrations). I think he got hit by a few too. It was pretty funny.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
28. It seems most DUers posting on this thread
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:09 PM
Sep 2014

missed the point of what the problem is. These Asian Carp are voracious eaters and will push out all the native species. The University of Minnesota is putting up an electronic fish barrier somewhere on the Mississippi to at lewst keep them out of the upper reaches of the river. The barrier is electronic that only affects the Asian Carp.

By the way, the Minnesota legislature passed a law saying that in all government references to this species and the silver carp must be referenced as 'invasive carp' and not Asian Carp.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
29. That's ridiculous; they are native to Asia.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:24 PM
Sep 2014

It is an accurate way of referring to them. I really doubt anyone is really offended by that.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
44. It probably doesn't. Hopefully they'll restock native fish
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:54 AM
Sep 2014

after they kill them all (if they ever figure out how to do it).

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
41. I agree the smart thing to do is monetize them.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:09 AM
Sep 2014

Fish Emulsion is 7.95 a bottle. Just sayin.

We managed to hunt the Passenger Pigeon to extinction in 33 years. And that was a century ago.

FSogol

(45,476 posts)
42. Solution: Change their name to Artisanal Carp and set the price at $27 per pound.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:10 AM
Sep 2014

Add a few signs at Harris Teeters and Wholefoods that they are all out of Artisanal Carp.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
46. Can't call them that
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014


Do Asian carp need a new name?

Is the name "Asian carp" racist?

Yesterday, Minnesota's Senate Environment and Energy Committee unanimously voted to ban the term "Asian carp." Aaron Rupar reports for CityPages that the bill will now advance to the state's Senate floor for a vote.

Supporters of the bill say that referring to invasive carp species as "Asian" is racist and offensive. "The response to this species has been and we believe will continue to be overwhelmingly negative, and thus we feel reflects very negatively on our community of Asian Americans," Sia Her, executive director of the Council on Asian-Pacific Minnesotans, said during testimony.

The proposed bill states that the commissioner of natural resources "shall use the term 'invasive carp' or refer to the specific species in any proposed laws, rules, or official documents when referring to carp species that are not naturalized to the waters of this state."


http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/do-asian-carp-need-new-name.html
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