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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFavorite anti-war film? Are anti-war films still being made?
Granted, I don't watch too many current films but it seems to me all the promos these days are for super-violent movies. What are your favorite anti-war films and if you've a family, have you shared any of them with your kids?
Some of my favorites include All Quiet on the Western Front, The Big Parade (silent), Dr. Strangelove Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, Seven Days in May, Oh What a Lovely War.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Another early Kubrick film. Seen it probably a dozen times, and it never fails to deliver a kick to the gut. The ending scene with the girl singing to the men is one of the most moving scenes in the history of cinema.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)It's on my list of must-see films.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Just be warned. It may have been made in 1957, but it's a hell of an emotional experience. That it's based on a true story makes it all the more riveting.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)It's one of his favorite films.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Great choice! Seen it several times myself and drop whatever I'm doing when TCM airs it.
Apocalypse Now.
Full Metal Jacket (yet another from Kubrick).
Fail Safe.
ETA: M*A*S*H
Johonny
(20,819 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I saw it in college as part of an English Lit/film appreciation course. It's a great movie. I would also list Fail Safe, Breaker Morant and Johnny Got His Gun.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Between that and FMJ I think Kubrick has made the two best anti-war films out there...
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)So not safe for work....do not click and whine......
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)johnp3907
(3,730 posts)I just love it's its tone: anti war, anti military, anti religious hypocrisy.
Paths Of Glory is truly amazing.
Journeyman
(15,026 posts)E.L. Doctorow's Ragtime is an inventive, uplifting story, full of historical figures and events but with a thunderous statement about the beauty and appeal of peace and harmony. Though set at the dawn of the 20th Century, it is far more about the bicentennial year of its publication than it is a tale of the century's turn. It's a tale well worth the effort of explication.
Ask yourself, as you read it: Who's story is this? And why is baseball so central to its core?
*Ragtime is a "pro-peace" novel, as opposed to an anti-war tale. To see this, begin with the answers to the questions I've posed above, then seek the similarities between the era of Ragtime as Doctorow reveals it and the bicentennial year of its publication. For that matter, seek the similarities between the Age of Ragtime and our present situation. In many ways, we are but a mirror of the Ragtime era. And if we're to find salvation, it will be found -- as Doctorow showed -- in the appeal of the mundane and repetitious, in the appeal of events such as baseball. The horror of war is well known, but its allure remains, its power to beckon and entice has not diminished. We need instead more tales to prove the power and wisdom of peacetime -- boring as it may be most days -- because such tales give us reasons to admire the repetitions, indeed the monotonous, over the exciting.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I took my daughter, who was in high school at the time, to see it, and it really opened her eyes. They only had a couple of paragraphs in her HS America history book about the opposition to the VN war, and she had always been under the impression that her dear old hippie mama was kind of on the fringes back in the late '60s and early '70s. She was like, "Wow! Was it really like that??" I think her opinion of me jumped a few notches because of that film.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)That is the documentary, this is the HBO move starring Kevin Bacon.
Some may argue that it isn't an anti war film. I will say that it is. Everyone who sees this casket pass by knows it contains a soldier (Marine) who died in battle. They feel sorrow, they feel sadness, the thing that is never spoken, the thing that is never said but is painfully obvious. Why?
FSogol
(45,452 posts)That'll be my favorite.
Journeyman
(15,026 posts)After all, Spot got to join Billy on Tralfamadore in the movie -- what could be better than that?
(Though I hope another adaptation is in the works -- Slaughterhouse-Five is one of the great tales of the 20th Century, and anything that brings it more attention is alright with me.)
FSogol
(45,452 posts)I never liked that version. I'd love to see the film adaptation of "Galapagos" too.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Happy Birthday Wanda June.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)looks at the Guadalcanal campaign and asks some deep questions.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)Gallipoli as an anti-war film, but it was to me. It showed the incompetence of command, the use of soldiers as fodder of war, and the utter waste of young lives in pursuit of a hopeless goal. It was Mel Gibson's first movie, but don't let that stop you from seeing it.
longship
(40,416 posts)Peck is, as always, great. But it's Ava Gardner who shines here. Fred Astaire also puts in a rather good performance as the aging physicist at the end of the world. Yup! It's a bit soapy, but director Stanley Kramer brings the war message home. "It's not too late, brother!" There's a point that you think that you'll never want to hear "Waltzing Matilda" again, and suddenly you think it's beautiful. Of course, there are sexual undertones. Spoiler: the physicist played by Fred Astaire wins the Australian Grand Prix driving a Ferrari. One great scene is when Admiral Bridie, at the end of all things, asks his devoted secretary, Lieutenant Hosgood, to share a drink. It is a very touching scene.
My favorite anti-war movies:
Dr. Strangelove -- none better. It's Kubrick. Peter Sellers at his best -- three roles!
Fail-Safe -- a serious Dr. Strangelove, released the same year. A great cast. Watch for Dom Deluise in a minor, but crucial dramatic role.
Paths of Glory -- often mentioned in this thread. With good reason. Also Kubrick. And Kirk Douglas at his best.
And here's another one, a dark horse...
Miracle Mile -- a film in the Dr. Strangelove, Fail-Safe, On the Beach genres. And it has a Tangerine Dream soundtrack. (Not much else going for it except once one starts watching it one can hardly stop. Nevertheless it's a relentless and frustrating low budget narrative of the end of the world.)
On edit: here's Miracle Mile:
And yup! Nuclear war figures prominently in my choices, as it should be.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)as a backdrop, I'm going to include "Canadian Bacon."
Loved "Wag the Dog" my own self.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)before it actually started.
We are living it.
bvf
(6,604 posts)"If there's no threat, what good are you?" says it all.
DoD should change its name to "Department of Fear."
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That was in a comment about Saving Private Ryan, which he sees as an antiwar film.
As much as I love Strangelove, it's eclipsed by two of Kubrick's other antiwar films, FMJ and Paths of Glory.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Plenty of films glorifying war and the military have been made. During and soon after World War II especially, but not only then by any means.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He acknowledged that pro-war films are made by the dozens.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Are you assuming his implication?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He believes (or at least believed 15 years ago) that any worthwhile war film must be anti-war in some sense, and that he considered his magna opera "Saving Private Ryan" and "Schindler's List" as being among "anti-war films". I'm not particularly a fan of Spielberg, I just thought that was an interesting data point.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Was I supposed to let Spielberg's comment stand unchallenged?
bvf
(6,604 posts)instead of jumping all over a poster citing a relatively innocuous comment by a rather respected film director.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BTW, I did not think Spielberg's comment was innocuous in the least.
Not sure what good a link would have done, either. But assuming it would have made a huge difference, you could just as easily have faulted recursion for not providing a link, especially in his reply to me, as faulting me for not requesting one.
Seems as though you are looking to nitpick me over something that did not involve you and you don't even see as important. Maybe you have some other bone to pick with me?
struck me as a bit combative. I'll leave it at that.
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joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Any war film that actually depicts war is going to be an anti-war film because people will see what war really is like. Rambo is not war. The Expendables is not war. Saving Private Ryan is more closer to war.
merrily
(45,251 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)What you call a war film that is not anti-war, I most likely would not call it a war film (as it is not accurately depicting war).
merrily
(45,251 posts)from Spielberg. He said any war film, not only a war film that fits joeglow3's definition of a war film.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)As you said above, we all get to share our opinion. I stated what that I agree with Spielberg's comment and clearly laid out why in my first post. No goal post movement (I was extremely clear on the content of my message). Your decision to argue for the sake of arguing is your own issue.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Seriously, man... just chill. Confrontational stances are not required.
merrily
(45,251 posts)There is not one personal remark in the post.
Not like, say, either of these posts.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5178914
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=150971
merrily
(45,251 posts)37 million casualties, for what?
Ask yourself why a war involving 37 million casualties was not the "war to end all wars," why parents continued--and continue--to send their beloved babies to battlefields.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Probably the best Soviet anti-war film ever.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)and strange as it may seem, Gone With the Wind.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Might be a stretch, but this speech is anti-war, IMO:
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)I love Cold War cynicism.
Brother Buzz
(36,384 posts)Those two films are at the top of my list, but I can't decide whether the film starring Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, and Peter Sellers is better then the one starring Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, and Peter Sellers. Too close to call.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)JCMach1
(27,553 posts)I came upon this movie channel surfing when I was around 10 yrs old. The film is seared in my memory.
kiva
(4,373 posts)If you want anti-nuke movies, either version of Fail Safe.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Grace is Gone was an unexpectedly good film. Thin Red Line had so many memorable lines and scenes summing up my own feelings of conflict in general. A Midnight Clear may be my favorite of the bunch.
JustAnotherGen
(31,781 posts)And two recent films -
Brothers
and
Lions for Lambs
Tikki
(14,549 posts)"Tribes" 1970...among others...
Tikki
deutsey
(20,166 posts)The version with Richard Thomas is also good, imo.
pinto
(106,886 posts)greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)It is a great film with great acting and very anti-war. The Americanization of Emily is very good, too.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)malthaussen
(17,175 posts)I'm quite partial to "Kelly's Heroes," as well.
And "A Time to Live, a Time to Die," with a cameo by Erich Maria Remarque.
-- Mal
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Beautifully acted, stunningly directed; one of my very favorite films of the last 10-15 years.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)most appropriate for these days anyway...
Has anyone seen "War Inc" with John Cusack, Joan Cusack, Marissa Tomei and Dan Ackroyd as Cheney?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025583337
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It was one of the first, if not the first, to graphically depict gruesome war wounds, and it also showed red-blooded American boys committing atrocities.
Its epilogue, as Chris was evacuated on the medevac chopper, is haunting...
I spent a lot of nights in theaters showing that movie during its run, and every single night people came out weeping.