Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:13 PM Sep 2014

Favorite anti-war film? Are anti-war films still being made?

Granted, I don't watch too many current films but it seems to me all the promos these days are for super-violent movies. What are your favorite anti-war films and if you've a family, have you shared any of them with your kids?

Some of my favorites include All Quiet on the Western Front, The Big Parade (silent), Dr. Strangelove Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, Seven Days in May, Oh What a Lovely War.

70 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Favorite anti-war film? Are anti-war films still being made? (Original Post) theHandpuppet Sep 2014 OP
Coming Home Zen Democrat Sep 2014 #1
Paths of Glory Downtown Hound Sep 2014 #2
That's one I've missed theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #3
It's one of Kubrick's best films Downtown Hound Sep 2014 #5
My 16 year old son was stunned after he viewed it. Maedhros Sep 2014 #19
Paths of Glory bvf Sep 2014 #6
great movie Johonny Sep 2014 #9
Agreed Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #11
Amazing, heartrending film Recursion Sep 2014 #24
This is my rifle...... msanthrope Sep 2014 #41
Here you go... msanthrope Sep 2014 #42
Catch 22 Capt.Rocky300 Sep 2014 #4
The Deer Hunter. Brickbat Sep 2014 #7
That one is so painful to watch. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #8
MASH is always the first one that pops into my head. johnp3907 Sep 2014 #10
I prefer pro-peace stories -- "Ragtime" is one of the great pro-peace novels* of all time. . . Journeyman Sep 2014 #12
I'm not a big Tom Cruise fan, but I liked Born on the 4th of July Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #13
Taking Chance Savannahmann Sep 2014 #14
Guillermo Del Toro is currently working on a development of Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse-5" FSogol Sep 2014 #15
Huh. Vonnegut said the original movie was one of the best film adaptations he'd ever seen. . . Journeyman Sep 2014 #16
I think Vonnegut was just being polite to George Roy Hill and self-deprecating. FSogol Sep 2014 #17
O/T: All this KV talk makes me want to revisit bvf Sep 2014 #18
I don't know if it's directly "anti war", but Terrence Malick's "The Thin Red Line" Maedhros Sep 2014 #20
Some would probably not think of HeiressofBickworth Sep 2014 #21
Not mentioned here, and not my favorite. But it needs to go into the mix here. longship Sep 2014 #22
WAG THE DOG yurbud Sep 2014 #23
If we open this to political satires with war bvf Sep 2014 #36
if I knew how to hack video, I'd post DeNiro's speech on the war of terror to William H. Macy yurbud Sep 2014 #48
Is this it? bvf Sep 2014 #64
that's it! yurbud Sep 2014 #66
DeNiro's line to Macy bvf Sep 2014 #70
Spielberg, of all people, once said "any war film must be an anti-war film" Recursion Sep 2014 #25
Spielberg is mistaken. Understandable, given his bias. merrily Sep 2014 #27
Sorry, his implication was any worthwhile war film must be anti-war Recursion Sep 2014 #28
Only if he gets to define "worthwhile?" merrily Sep 2014 #30
Sorry, I was throwing out an interesting quote by a popularly successful director Recursion Sep 2014 #31
Yes, so? I "threw out" my reaction in response. That's what happens on message boards. merrily Sep 2014 #33
You might have just asked for a link bvf Sep 2014 #34
I disagreed with Spielberg's remark. I did not jump all over the poster. merrily Sep 2014 #35
Comment #33 bvf Sep 2014 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Sep 2014 #38
I agree 100% with Spielberg joeglow3 Sep 2014 #60
Then you and I disagree. All war films are not anti-war. merrily Sep 2014 #61
We do disagree. And I think we also disagree with what constitutes a war film joeglow3 Sep 2014 #62
For one thing, you moved the goal post. Reply 25 contains the quote merrily Sep 2014 #63
Jesus Harold Christ, you need to lighten up joeglow3 Sep 2014 #65
Seriously, man... just chill. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #45
You've been around DU long enough to know that is not confrontational. merrily Sep 2014 #59
"Oh, What a Lovely War" is phenomenal. merrily Sep 2014 #26
Let me also throw out Andrej Rublyev by Tarkovsky Recursion Sep 2014 #29
Mash... Sancho Sep 2014 #32
The Great Dictator BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #39
The Mouse that Roared and Dr. Strangelove. 6000eliot Sep 2014 #40
Word! Brother Buzz Sep 2014 #53
Excellent performances all, and excellent points! 6000eliot Sep 2014 #57
Johnny Got His Gun JCMach1 Sep 2014 #43
The Americanization of Emily and M*A*S*H kiva Sep 2014 #44
Grace is Gone was an unexpectedly good film LanternWaste Sep 2014 #46
Another vote for The Mouse Who Roared JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #47
"Beach Red"..."How I Won the War"...both from 1967 Tikki Sep 2014 #49
All's Quiet on the Western Front deutsey Sep 2014 #50
The King of Hearts pinto Sep 2014 #51
The Bridge on the River Kwai greatlaurel Sep 2014 #52
Paths of Glory, Hearts and Minds, and Fires on the Plain Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #54
Oh, What a Lovely War! malthaussen Sep 2014 #55
A Very Long Engagement Proud Public Servant Sep 2014 #56
War Inc! J_J_ Sep 2014 #58
"Born on the Fourth of July" stuck with me in a big way (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #67
I think COLD MOUNTAIN should be in the running. JEB Sep 2014 #68
'Platoon' rarely gets mentioned in this context, but it qualifies pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #69

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
2. Paths of Glory
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

Another early Kubrick film. Seen it probably a dozen times, and it never fails to deliver a kick to the gut. The ending scene with the girl singing to the men is one of the most moving scenes in the history of cinema.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
5. It's one of Kubrick's best films
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:27 PM
Sep 2014

Just be warned. It may have been made in 1957, but it's a hell of an emotional experience. That it's based on a true story makes it all the more riveting.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
6. Paths of Glory
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:29 PM
Sep 2014

Great choice! Seen it several times myself and drop whatever I'm doing when TCM airs it.

Apocalypse Now.

Full Metal Jacket (yet another from Kubrick).

Fail Safe.

ETA: M*A*S*H



Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
11. Agreed
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:37 PM
Sep 2014

I saw it in college as part of an English Lit/film appreciation course. It's a great movie. I would also list Fail Safe, Breaker Morant and Johnny Got His Gun.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. Amazing, heartrending film
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:18 AM
Sep 2014

Between that and FMJ I think Kubrick has made the two best anti-war films out there...

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
10. MASH is always the first one that pops into my head.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:36 PM
Sep 2014

I just love it's its tone: anti war, anti military, anti religious hypocrisy.

Paths Of Glory is truly amazing.

Journeyman

(15,026 posts)
12. I prefer pro-peace stories -- "Ragtime" is one of the great pro-peace novels* of all time. . .
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

E.L. Doctorow's Ragtime is an inventive, uplifting story, full of historical figures and events but with a thunderous statement about the beauty and appeal of peace and harmony. Though set at the dawn of the 20th Century, it is far more about the bicentennial year of its publication than it is a tale of the century's turn. It's a tale well worth the effort of explication.

Ask yourself, as you read it: Who's story is this? And why is baseball so central to its core?


*Ragtime is a "pro-peace" novel, as opposed to an anti-war tale. To see this, begin with the answers to the questions I've posed above, then seek the similarities between the era of Ragtime as Doctorow reveals it and the bicentennial year of its publication. For that matter, seek the similarities between the Age of Ragtime and our present situation. In many ways, we are but a mirror of the Ragtime era. And if we're to find salvation, it will be found -- as Doctorow showed -- in the appeal of the mundane and repetitious, in the appeal of events such as baseball. The horror of war is well known, but its allure remains, its power to beckon and entice has not diminished. We need instead more tales to prove the power and wisdom of peacetime -- boring as it may be most days -- because such tales give us reasons to admire the repetitions, indeed the monotonous, over the exciting.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
13. I'm not a big Tom Cruise fan, but I liked Born on the 4th of July
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:39 PM
Sep 2014

I took my daughter, who was in high school at the time, to see it, and it really opened her eyes. They only had a couple of paragraphs in her HS America history book about the opposition to the VN war, and she had always been under the impression that her dear old hippie mama was kind of on the fringes back in the late '60s and early '70s. She was like, "Wow! Was it really like that??" I think her opinion of me jumped a few notches because of that film.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
14. Taking Chance
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:44 PM
Sep 2014


That is the documentary, this is the HBO move starring Kevin Bacon.



Some may argue that it isn't an anti war film. I will say that it is. Everyone who sees this casket pass by knows it contains a soldier (Marine) who died in battle. They feel sorrow, they feel sadness, the thing that is never spoken, the thing that is never said but is painfully obvious. Why?

FSogol

(45,452 posts)
15. Guillermo Del Toro is currently working on a development of Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse-5"
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:47 PM
Sep 2014

That'll be my favorite.

Journeyman

(15,026 posts)
16. Huh. Vonnegut said the original movie was one of the best film adaptations he'd ever seen. . .
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:25 PM
Sep 2014

After all, Spot got to join Billy on Tralfamadore in the movie -- what could be better than that?

(Though I hope another adaptation is in the works -- Slaughterhouse-Five is one of the great tales of the 20th Century, and anything that brings it more attention is alright with me.)

FSogol

(45,452 posts)
17. I think Vonnegut was just being polite to George Roy Hill and self-deprecating.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
Sep 2014

I never liked that version. I'd love to see the film adaptation of "Galapagos" too.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
20. I don't know if it's directly "anti war", but Terrence Malick's "The Thin Red Line"
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:02 PM
Sep 2014

looks at the Guadalcanal campaign and asks some deep questions.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
21. Some would probably not think of
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:53 PM
Sep 2014

Gallipoli as an anti-war film, but it was to me. It showed the incompetence of command, the use of soldiers as fodder of war, and the utter waste of young lives in pursuit of a hopeless goal. It was Mel Gibson's first movie, but don't let that stop you from seeing it.

longship

(40,416 posts)
22. Not mentioned here, and not my favorite. But it needs to go into the mix here.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 12:30 AM
Sep 2014
On the Beach. Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner, Fred Astaire (in his first dramatic role), Anthony Perkins, and pretty damned good supporting cast.

Peck is, as always, great. But it's Ava Gardner who shines here. Fred Astaire also puts in a rather good performance as the aging physicist at the end of the world. Yup! It's a bit soapy, but director Stanley Kramer brings the war message home. "It's not too late, brother!" There's a point that you think that you'll never want to hear "Waltzing Matilda" again, and suddenly you think it's beautiful. Of course, there are sexual undertones. Spoiler: the physicist played by Fred Astaire wins the Australian Grand Prix driving a Ferrari. One great scene is when Admiral Bridie, at the end of all things, asks his devoted secretary, Lieutenant Hosgood, to share a drink. It is a very touching scene.

My favorite anti-war movies:
Dr. Strangelove -- none better. It's Kubrick. Peter Sellers at his best -- three roles!
Fail-Safe -- a serious Dr. Strangelove, released the same year. A great cast. Watch for Dom Deluise in a minor, but crucial dramatic role.
Paths of Glory -- often mentioned in this thread. With good reason. Also Kubrick. And Kirk Douglas at his best.

And here's another one, a dark horse...

Miracle Mile -- a film in the Dr. Strangelove, Fail-Safe, On the Beach genres. And it has a Tangerine Dream soundtrack. (Not much else going for it except once one starts watching it one can hardly stop. Nevertheless it's a relentless and frustrating low budget narrative of the end of the world.)

On edit: here's Miracle Mile:


And yup! Nuclear war figures prominently in my choices, as it should be.
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
36. If we open this to political satires with war
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:42 AM
Sep 2014

as a backdrop, I'm going to include "Canadian Bacon."

Loved "Wag the Dog" my own self.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
48. if I knew how to hack video, I'd post DeNiro's speech on the war of terror to William H. Macy
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:21 AM
Sep 2014

before it actually started.

We are living it.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
70. DeNiro's line to Macy
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:36 AM
Sep 2014

"If there's no threat, what good are you?" says it all.

DoD should change its name to "Department of Fear."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. Spielberg, of all people, once said "any war film must be an anti-war film"
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:19 AM
Sep 2014

That was in a comment about Saving Private Ryan, which he sees as an antiwar film.

As much as I love Strangelove, it's eclipsed by two of Kubrick's other antiwar films, FMJ and Paths of Glory.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. Spielberg is mistaken. Understandable, given his bias.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:24 AM
Sep 2014

Plenty of films glorifying war and the military have been made. During and soon after World War II especially, but not only then by any means.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. Sorry, his implication was any worthwhile war film must be anti-war
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:25 AM
Sep 2014

He acknowledged that pro-war films are made by the dozens.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
31. Sorry, I was throwing out an interesting quote by a popularly successful director
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:33 AM
Sep 2014

He believes (or at least believed 15 years ago) that any worthwhile war film must be anti-war in some sense, and that he considered his magna opera "Saving Private Ryan" and "Schindler's List" as being among "anti-war films". I'm not particularly a fan of Spielberg, I just thought that was an interesting data point.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. Yes, so? I "threw out" my reaction in response. That's what happens on message boards.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:39 AM
Sep 2014

Was I supposed to let Spielberg's comment stand unchallenged?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
34. You might have just asked for a link
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:37 AM
Sep 2014

instead of jumping all over a poster citing a relatively innocuous comment by a rather respected film director.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. I disagreed with Spielberg's remark. I did not jump all over the poster.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:41 AM
Sep 2014

BTW, I did not think Spielberg's comment was innocuous in the least.

Not sure what good a link would have done, either. But assuming it would have made a huge difference, you could just as easily have faulted recursion for not providing a link, especially in his reply to me, as faulting me for not requesting one.

Seems as though you are looking to nitpick me over something that did not involve you and you don't even see as important. Maybe you have some other bone to pick with me?





Response to bvf (Reply #37)

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
60. I agree 100% with Spielberg
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:00 PM
Sep 2014

Any war film that actually depicts war is going to be an anti-war film because people will see what war really is like. Rambo is not war. The Expendables is not war. Saving Private Ryan is more closer to war.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
62. We do disagree. And I think we also disagree with what constitutes a war film
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:08 PM
Sep 2014

What you call a war film that is not anti-war, I most likely would not call it a war film (as it is not accurately depicting war).

merrily

(45,251 posts)
63. For one thing, you moved the goal post. Reply 25 contains the quote
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

from Spielberg. He said any war film, not only a war film that fits joeglow3's definition of a war film.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
65. Jesus Harold Christ, you need to lighten up
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:11 PM
Sep 2014

As you said above, we all get to share our opinion. I stated what that I agree with Spielberg's comment and clearly laid out why in my first post. No goal post movement (I was extremely clear on the content of my message). Your decision to argue for the sake of arguing is your own issue.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. Seriously, man... just chill.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:35 AM
Sep 2014

Seriously, man... just chill. Confrontational stances are not required.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. "Oh, What a Lovely War" is phenomenal.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:21 AM
Sep 2014

37 million casualties, for what?

Ask yourself why a war involving 37 million casualties was not the "war to end all wars," why parents continued--and continue--to send their beloved babies to battlefields.

Brother Buzz

(36,384 posts)
53. Word!
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:41 AM
Sep 2014

Those two films are at the top of my list, but I can't decide whether the film starring Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, and Peter Sellers is better then the one starring Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, and Peter Sellers. Too close to call.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
43. Johnny Got His Gun
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:04 AM
Sep 2014

I came upon this movie channel surfing when I was around 10 yrs old. The film is seared in my memory.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. Grace is Gone was an unexpectedly good film
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:45 AM
Sep 2014

Grace is Gone was an unexpectedly good film. Thin Red Line had so many memorable lines and scenes summing up my own feelings of conflict in general. A Midnight Clear may be my favorite of the bunch.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
52. The Bridge on the River Kwai
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:36 AM
Sep 2014

It is a great film with great acting and very anti-war. The Americanization of Emily is very good, too.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
55. Oh, What a Lovely War!
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:55 AM
Sep 2014

I'm quite partial to "Kelly's Heroes," as well.

And "A Time to Live, a Time to Die," with a cameo by Erich Maria Remarque.

-- Mal

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
56. A Very Long Engagement
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 12:24 PM
Sep 2014

Beautifully acted, stunningly directed; one of my very favorite films of the last 10-15 years.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
58. War Inc!
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

most appropriate for these days anyway...


Has anyone seen "War Inc" with John Cusack, Joan Cusack, Marissa Tomei and Dan Ackroyd as Cheney?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025583337

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
69. 'Platoon' rarely gets mentioned in this context, but it qualifies
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:30 AM
Sep 2014

It was one of the first, if not the first, to graphically depict gruesome war wounds, and it also showed red-blooded American boys committing atrocities.

Its epilogue, as Chris was evacuated on the medevac chopper, is haunting...

But be that as it may, those of us who DID make it have an obligation to BUILD again. To teach to others what we know, and to try with what's left of OUR lives, to find a goodness and a meaning to this life...


I spent a lot of nights in theaters showing that movie during its run, and every single night people came out weeping.
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Favorite anti-war film? A...