Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:19 PM Sep 2014

“Obama didn’t ask us to do work, so we’ve decided not to bother.”

Posted with permission.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/congress-content-sit-the-sidelines


Congress content to sit on the sidelines
09/24/14 08:00 AM—Updated 09/24/14 09:54 AM
By Steve Benen


Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), arguably more than any other senator, has invested considerable time and energy urging Congress to do its duty. As a U.S. military offensive gets underway in Syria, President Obama has received no real authorization from lawmakers, and the Virginia Democrat knows the system isn’t supposed to work this way.

“The president shouldn’t be doing this without Congress,” Kaine said yesterday, adding, “Congress shouldn’t be allowing it to happen without Congress.”


It’s that latter part that stands out. In recent years, congressional Republicans have been almost hysterical about presidential overreach, condemning the White House for alleged abuses that leave Congress out of the policymaking process. In nearly every instance, their evidence has fallen somewhere between baseless and ridiculous.

And yet, here’s a legitimate example of Obama ignoring Congress when he shouldn’t, and those same Republicans who pretended to care about this institutional dynamic are sitting on their hands, perfectly content to ignore their constitutional responsibilities in the name of political convenience.


The United States has begun a bombing campaign in Syria, but don’t bet on Congress returning to Washington to vote on a new war authorization anytime soon.

Shortly after airstrikes against the Islamic State in Syria started, some lawmakers started pushing again for an authorization vote. But so far, leaders aren’t gearing up to bring their members back to town.


Asked to explain why Congress is satisfied doing nothing, House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) office told Roll Call, “As the Speaker has said, he thinks it would be good for the country to have a new authorization for the use of military force covering our actions against ISIL, but traditionally such an authorization is requested and written by the commander-in-chief – and President Obama has not done that.”

Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) added that Obama “should seek a new congressional authorization.”

Republicans may not fully appreciate just how extraordinary this approach to governing really is.

According to leading Republicans on Capitol Hill, Congress isn’t doing anything, and that’s the president’s fault. Why? Because the executive branch hasn’t written a bill for the legislative branch. Sure, lawmakers could write a bill on their own – it’s literally what they’re paid to do – but they’re instead waiting for the president to serve as a check on his own power.

In effect, GOP leaders are arguing, “Obama didn’t ask us to do work, so we’ve decided not to bother.” Take every Republican argument of late – about separation of powers, about co-equal branches of government, about the importance of institutional checks and balances – and throw them right out the window, confident in the knowledge that the GOP didn’t mean a word of it.

Congress could return to session immediately to tackle its constitutional obligations. Indeed, some lawmakers are returning to work next week to hold a hearing on the recent White House fence jumpers.


Apparently, that’s important – unlike, say, a new phase of a war in the Middle East.

I’m reminded once more of a recent quote from Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.): “A lot of people would like to stay on the sideline and say, ‘Just bomb the place and tell us about it later.’ It’s an election year. A lot of Democrats don’t know how it would play in their party, and Republicans don’t want to change anything. We like the path we’re on now. We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long.”
38 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
“Obama didn’t ask us to do work, so we’ve decided not to bother.” (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2014 OP
Finally one of them actually comes out and tells the truth tularetom Sep 2014 #1
Jack Kingston (R-GA) is not running for re-election, and, apparently, he feels No Vested Interest Sep 2014 #19
Congress is just a step along the way to a lobbyist job mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #2
Since he's going to war without their input, why not lower the Medicare age to 55? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #3
omg, hahaha! babylonsister Sep 2014 #5
I am guessing that you either don't understand or are intentionally deluding yourself to believe rhett o rick Sep 2014 #8
I know Doctor_J Sep 2014 #9
I know and more power to you. But if you are going to "throw up" it might as well be a Bloody Mary. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #12
I think you got the right idea! adieu Sep 2014 #17
Isn't Congress abrogating their Constitutional duty? And is there anything we can do about it? rhett o rick Sep 2014 #4
Of course they are. But who's going to call them out? babylonsister Sep 2014 #6
I know that is easy to be negative but I honestly don't see a way out for the 99%. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #10
Are you this miserable in real life? babylonsister Sep 2014 #15
I have been very fortunate in life so far. My children are struggling with this economy and that rhett o rick Sep 2014 #23
Be happy! BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #26
I have a tough time being happy with people are dying needlessly either "over there" or rhett o rick Sep 2014 #38
This is where Obama has to play with the Democratic Congress adieu Sep 2014 #18
I am betting you live in Washington State and have been smoking some of the good stuff. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #25
They did this back in 2001 and haven't stepped up Skidmore Sep 2014 #29
How much of their Constitutional duties do they have to abrogate before it's a Constitutional rhett o rick Sep 2014 #37
They want this as much as Obama does whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #7
"We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long.” Cha Sep 2014 #11
"...in the name of political convenience..."? No. randome Sep 2014 #13
Guess they weren't listening, now were they, bsis. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #16
Congress is a club where millionaires meet a few times a year to beat up working people. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #20
...Except you guys Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #21
GOTV!!! frylock Sep 2014 #22
BULLSHIT!! He has literally BEGGED Congress to work! What is this??!?!? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #24
Not on a war vote. morningfog Sep 2014 #28
Actually, yes, he has. The authorization needs congressional approval. Civics 101. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #30
He has not begged congress for a war vote. morningfog Sep 2014 #31
He has indeed. In every speech thus far, he has asked Congress to come back from their vacation Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #32
Link to any statement where he has requested an AUMF. morningfog Sep 2014 #33
NO!! You do your own fucking homework. I don't have to prove anything to you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #34
Bullshit. You can't assert it and then refuse to morningfog Sep 2014 #35
Oh, and take your time. I've looked for it, morningfog Sep 2014 #36
Kick. Scuba Sep 2014 #27

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
1. Finally one of them actually comes out and tells the truth
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:24 PM
Sep 2014
“A lot of people would like to stay on the sideline and say, ‘Just bomb the place and tell us about it later.’ It’s an election year. A lot of Democrats don’t know how it would play in their party, and Republicans don’t want to change anything. We like the path we’re on now. We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long.”


Amazingly enough, our free press hears things like this, and doesn't think they are worth reporting on. A statement like this should have been the lead story on every network and cable news show.

No Vested Interest

(5,164 posts)
19. Jack Kingston (R-GA) is not running for re-election, and, apparently, he feels
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:05 PM
Sep 2014

a little freer to say what he really thinks now, rather than hewing to the party meme.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
2. Congress is just a step along the way to a lobbyist job
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:36 PM
Sep 2014

Doing work has no positive effect on their prospects, so they don't do any.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. I am guessing that you either don't understand or are intentionally deluding yourself to believe
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

that the President is in charge. Those in charge have no interest in lowering the SS age. They would tell you that you are lucky they haven't eliminated SS entirely.

It's my opinion that those in charge are the same ones in charge during the Bush Admin. Their power transcends mere presidents. Go ahead and try to elect Sen Warren and see what happens or doesn't happen. Gen Clapper can get away with lying to Congress for a reason.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. I know and more power to you. But if you are going to "throw up" it might as well be a Bloody Mary.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:38 PM
Sep 2014

Actually I am not a fan of Bloody Mary's, I hate celery. I order a Bloody Mary and hold the celery and any other stupid vegetables. Also, while you're at it, hold the tomato juice, (spoken in the voice of a young Jack Nickelson).

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
17. I think you got the right idea!
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:59 PM
Sep 2014

This freedom to conduct war without Congress's input is a green light for Obama to initiate plenty of other actions without Congress's input. In fact, he should do as much as he can between now and November until Congress is forced to yield and buckle under and return to DC to stop him.

And even then, it might be too late.

I think he should first start off with raising the minimum wage to $20/hr, lower medicare to 25 (since Obama care allows children 26 or under to stay on a parent's health plan), raise the taxes on the wealthy, and do most other things that Congress is supposed to do.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. Isn't Congress abrogating their Constitutional duty? And is there anything we can do about it?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:12 PM
Sep 2014

Don't bother to answer either question, they are rhetorical. I am trying to maintain the delusion that we still live in a constitutionally controlled democratic republic.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
6. Of course they are. But who's going to call them out?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:15 PM
Sep 2014

Some fearless Dems perhaps, but they're few and far between, I guess.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. I know that is easy to be negative but I honestly don't see a way out for the 99%.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:25 PM
Sep 2014

I have seen lots and lots of people explain where we are and how we got there, but no one has really come up with a strategy to save us. Typically I see where we "need to take control" or "eliminate money from politics" or "institute campaign finance reform". But I have yet to see anyone explain how we actually accomplish that. Some of us pretend that if only Sen Sanders or Sen Warren some how magically became president then things would be different. We delude ourselves*. Those that control the NSA/CIA Security State, and the Economic Policies are laughing at us. "Have some more cake, you filthy peons."

I think we are screwed but I am not going down without a fight.

On edit: I forgot the *deluding ourselves is some times necessary to maintain at least a semblance of sanity. Personally, I drink vodka.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
15. Are you this miserable in real life?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

Hahaha! I read your comments above; you are way too negative to me. Just think, the arc of history, and don't worry so much. Whatever is going to happen will happen, perhaps positively with our effort and thoughts, but breathe deep and take time to smell the roses.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. I have been very fortunate in life so far. My children are struggling with this economy and that
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:23 PM
Sep 2014

bothers me but they are good children. I am certainly not miserable and I have and am smelling the roses. But I am very logical and I think pragmatic and I have watched the lower classes continue in decline for the last 30 years. I don't see how this will change. If someone can explain to me how this will change, how this oligarchy will relinquish power, please tell me.

I see many as delusional and I don't hold that against them as it's probably the only way they can deal with reality. But, please someone provide me with some hope as to how we will get out of this mess.

I see first hand those that are fighting daily for food. Tell me this will change soon. Tell me that we turn around the statistics that show our country has a terrible infant mortality rate. Tell me we can turn around the suicide rate of veterans of about 30 per day.

Don't misunderstand my concern with surrender.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
26. Be happy!
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:17 AM
Sep 2014

Just some brown people are dying, over there, in a country most people can't point to on a map. Just smile and everything will be better!

Look at this picture of Bo instead

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
18. This is where Obama has to play with the Democratic Congress
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

Obama has to play the bad cop and do runaway executive actions, and allow the Democrats in Congress to play the good cop to stop those actions. It's close enough to elections to make the feeling clear. At the end, Congress finally steps in and sanity returns, Obama gets a tough tsk, tsk from Congress, and since he's no longer running for office, it wouldn't matter to him.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. I am betting you live in Washington State and have been smoking some of the good stuff.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:25 PM
Sep 2014

Good for you.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
29. They did this back in 2001 and haven't stepped up
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:51 AM
Sep 2014

to reclaim it since. The mechanisms of a democratic republic are in place. Keep electing people who don't want it to work and this will continue to happen. GOTV.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. How much of their Constitutional duties do they have to abrogate before it's a Constitutional
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:20 PM
Sep 2014

Crisis? Looks like they could vote to have a Unitary Executive if they so choose.

Cha

(296,873 posts)
11. "We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long.”
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

Exactly, babylonsistah... Bernie was talking about this on the Thom Hartman show..



As he stated it's an "International effort" and guess what.. "they have to put money in it too."

Senator Sanders also said Assad Gassed his own people.. whether the conspiracy theorists around here believe it or not..

Hartman and he talked about one republiCon saying.. they'll "blast him if it doesn't work and ask why he didn't do it sooner if it does." Sounds like a familiar whine.

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5527989

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. "...in the name of political convenience..."? No.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

In the name of yet another extended vacation. Conservatives are the laziest creatures on the face of the Earth.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
14. Guess they weren't listening, now were they, bsis.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014
In effect, GOP leaders are arguing, “Obama didn’t ask us to do work, so we’ve decided not to bother.”


Here is what Obama said in his victory speech on election night 2008.


The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even one term, but America – I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there. I promise you – we as a people will get there.

There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as President, and we know that government can't solve every problem. But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. And above all, I will ask you join in the work of remaking this nation the only way it's been done in America for two-hundred and twenty-one years – block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.

What began twenty-one months ago in the depths of winter must not end on this autumn night. This victory alone is not the change we seek – it is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were. It cannot happen without you.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism; of service and responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves, but each other. Let us remember that if this financial crisis taught us anything, it's that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers – in this country, we rise or fall as one nation; as one people.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6181477&page=1&singlePage=true

I posted it here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025577283

No, they were not listening at all. They were to busy plotting against this President and America.

Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration

WASHINGTON -- As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.

The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."

According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.

For several hours in the Caucus Room (a high-end D.C. establishment), the book says they plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform.

More http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
21. ...Except you guys
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:12 PM
Sep 2014

“Obama didn’t ask us to do work, so we’ve decided not to bother.”

don't do shit even when he does ask you to work.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
30. Actually, yes, he has. The authorization needs congressional approval. Civics 101.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:15 PM
Sep 2014

You should know that by now. The president cannot send troops anywhere or expand war powers without the authorization of Congress. Again, this is Civics 101.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
31. He has not begged congress for a war vote.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:18 PM
Sep 2014

He has explicitly said he doesn't need them, but "welcomes their buy in."

I agree that what he is doing is contrary to the constitutional authority as President.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
32. He has indeed. In every speech thus far, he has asked Congress to come back from their vacation
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:20 PM
Sep 2014

and do their job! If you're not listening, that's not MY fault. It's yours.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
33. Link to any statement where he has requested an AUMF.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:31 PM
Sep 2014

A link to his statement requesting an AUMF in Iraq or Syria this year?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
34. NO!! You do your own fucking homework. I don't have to prove anything to you.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:33 PM
Sep 2014

If you aren't paying attention, that is YOUR fault. You cannot make demands on me to stop what I'm doing and go digging up press conferences and statements.

No! YOU do the fucking work!

And next time, pay attention.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
35. Bullshit. You can't assert it and then refuse to
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:37 PM
Sep 2014

Provide a link because it didn't happen. He had NEVER requested an AUMF this year.

You pay attention. You look silly acting with such confidence and then refusing to produce.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»“Obama didn’t ask us to d...