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G_j

(40,366 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:31 PM Sep 2014

It's Now Illegal to Kill Wolves in Wyoming!!

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/09/wolf-hunts-canceled-wyoming-endangered-species-gray-wolf

For the past two years, killing a wolf in Wyoming was pretty simple. In a trophy game area near the border of Yellowstone, licensed hunters were allowed to take a certain number of gray wolves. In the rest of the state, or about 80 percent of Wyoming's land, anyone could kill a limitless number of them on sight.

But that's about to change. A judge ruled Tuesday that the animals' delisting in 2012, which handed management of the species over to the Wyoming government, was "arbitrary and capricious," and that the state isn't ready to manage wolf populations on its own. The move has wolf activists breathing a sigh of relief; Wyoming's management plan, as Sierra Club's Bonnie Rice put it, could have potentially taken wolves "back to the brink of extinction." Judge Amy Berman Jackson did not challenge the previous finding that wolves had recovered and that the species "is not endangered or threatened within a significant portion of its range." But even so, her ruling means that Wyoming's wolves will again enjoy protections under the Endangered Species Act and can no longer be hunted—at least in the short term.



While as many as 2 million gray wolves once roamed North America, the carnivores were nearly wiped out by humans by the early 1900s. Roughly 5,500 remain today, though an uptick in laws permitting wolf hunting in states like Wyoming, New Mexico, Montana, and Idaho all threaten to keep the animals scarce. Wyoming's hunting and "kill-on-sight" policies, for instance, meant 219 wolves were gunned down since 2012, according to Earthjustice.

In part because wolves were reintroduced in Wyoming, whether to kill or protect this predator remains a very polarizing issue in the state. Wolves kill farm animals and pets, pissing off ranchers and rural landowners alike and feeding into the attitude that the canids are just a deadly nuisance. A Facebook photo posted last year by hunting outfitters, for instance, shows a group of hunters posing with a dead wolf with blood covering its paws and mouth. The caption reads "Wyoming is FED up." Commenters responded with notes like "the only good Canadian gray wolf to me is a dead Canadian gray wolf" and "Keep on killing guys!"

But scientists and conservationists have fought hard to restore this species into the North American ecosystem. Studies have shown that wolves maintain balance in the environment: they prey on other large mammals like moose and elk, whose populations (and eating habits) can get out of control without a predator to keep them in check; their hunting helps feed scavengers like wolverines, bald eagles, and mountain lions; their predation can force elk to hang out in smaller groups, thereby reducing the spread of diseases; and they've even been found to be good for the soil.

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It's Now Illegal to Kill Wolves in Wyoming!! (Original Post) G_j Sep 2014 OP
Yay! shenmue Sep 2014 #1
Good! montanacowboy Sep 2014 #2
Quite importantly... 2naSalit Sep 2014 #3
Wolves and the ecosystem, G_j Sep 2014 #7
great info!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #14
That was a pretty amazing video. Nature has a balance... EEO Sep 2014 #18
It is! Highly recommended watching. nt G_j Sep 2014 #21
So THAT'S why I keep seeing Spirochete Sep 2014 #4
Wonderful news- wolves are vital Marrah_G Sep 2014 #5
I'm so happy to hear this tabasco Sep 2014 #6
yes. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #16
Absolute truth tabasco Sep 2014 #22
yep. it's the root cause of every crisis going on now. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #26
Nature is smarter than the asshole hunters in Wyoming... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #8
one question, if they are in your herd or flock, I assume you can kill them then. nt littlewolf Sep 2014 #9
you may be correct G_j Sep 2014 #11
A better solution is for the state to compensate the loss of stock from predation Scootaloo Sep 2014 #19
What a goddamned sense of entitlement these farmers have! tabasco Sep 2014 #24
Which is 2naSalit Sep 2014 #29
very good news niyad Sep 2014 #10
My inner wolf rejoices ... CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #12
mine also glinda Sep 2014 #27
Hopefully Sarah Palin is having a bad day after hearing about this. LW1977 Sep 2014 #13
I hope so.. G_j Sep 2014 #15
A bunch of sorry, stupid assholes tabasco Sep 2014 #25
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2014 #17
Good news. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #20
WOOHOO! MoonRiver Sep 2014 #23
That and... 2naSalit Sep 2014 #28

2naSalit

(86,513 posts)
3. Quite importantly...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:58 PM
Sep 2014

this:

But scientists and conservationists have fought hard to restore this species into the North American ecosystem. Studies have shown that wolves maintain balance in the environment: they prey on other large mammals like moose and elk, whose populations (and eating habits) can get out of control without a predator to keep them in check; their hunting helps feed scavengers like wolverines, bald eagles, and mountain lions; their predation can force elk to hang out in smaller groups, thereby reducing the spread of diseases; and they've even been found to be good for the soil.


People need to know this part. Perhaps all the recent noise-making in the general information realm will float this information and carry it a little farther. I'm right here at ground 0 on this issue and one of the most important points to make is this one.

Thanks for posting.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
7. Wolves and the ecosystem,
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:33 PM
Sep 2014




& from September 28, 2012
Why the Beaver Should Thank the Wolf
By MARY ELLEN HANNIBAL

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/opinion/the-world-needs-wolves.htm

This month, a group of environmental nonprofits said they would challenge the federal government’s removal of Endangered Species Act protections for wolves in Wyoming. Since there are only about 328 wolves in a state with a historic blood thirst for the hides of these top predators, the nonprofits are probably right that lacking protection, Wyoming wolves are toast.

Many Americans, even as they view the extermination of a species as morally anathema, struggle to grasp the tangible effects of the loss of wolves. It turns out that, far from being freeloaders on the top of the food chain, wolves have a powerful effect on the well-being of the ecosystems around them — from the survival of trees and riverbank vegetation to, perhaps surprisingly, the health of the populations of their prey.

An example of this can be found in Wyoming’s Yellowstone National Park, where wolves were virtually wiped out in the 1920s and reintroduced in the ’90s. Since the wolves have come back, scientists have noted an unexpected improvement in many of the park’s degraded stream areas.

Stands of aspen and other native vegetation, once decimated by overgrazing, are now growing up along the banks. This may have something to do with changing fire patterns, but it is also probably because elk and other browsing animals behave differently when wolves are around. Instead of eating greenery down to the soil, they take a bite or two, look up to check for threats, and keep moving. The greenery can grow tall enough to reproduce.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6310211.stm

Wild wolves 'good for ecosystems'

EEO

(1,620 posts)
18. That was a pretty amazing video. Nature has a balance...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:48 PM
Sep 2014

... it is cruel at times, but it has to be. Predators are a necessary component of it and we need to stop fucking with the balance. Note I did not say a "necessary evil." That would be making a moral judgement of a system that does not function on morality. it is all survival of the fittest. Adapt or face extinction. Nature is merciless because it has to be. And the evolution of species is like an arms race to balance the playing field between predators and prey.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
16. yes.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:13 PM
Sep 2014

I was involved in an Ecology course not too long ago. The professor (who is highly respected in the field and active for many decades) said the largest threat is human overpopulation, and that it's the truth despite the fact that it's taboo to mention the problem.

Balance is everything, and yet our numbers are so out of proportion.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
26. yep. it's the root cause of every crisis going on now.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:03 PM
Sep 2014

I've been saying this for decades....on DU2, i used to get some seriously hostile responses. Very very frustrating. And sad.

We could choose to limit our numbers, encourage that in empowering, positive ways worldwide.....or not, and then the inevitable collapse under the weight of us will take care of the problem. In massive, awful, traumatic, painful ways.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
8. Nature is smarter than the asshole hunters in Wyoming...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:37 PM
Sep 2014

Wolves were there for a reason...it's called balance...fucking idiots. Good news...knr

G_j

(40,366 posts)
11. you may be correct
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:55 PM
Sep 2014

I'm not sure. I believe that is true in other places. In some other states, compensation is given in the rare instances of lost livestock or pets. And there are other states where wolves are still being slaughtered.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. A better solution is for the state to compensate the loss of stock from predation
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:56 PM
Sep 2014

Wolves, cougars, bears and yes even coyotes, are far more valuable than a few sheep. apex and mid-tier predators are what makes the ecosystem work, while ranch animals are mostly a dangerous nuisance. Pay ranchers market value for lost animals, leave the predators alone.

As for lost pets? Keep your fucking cats inside, and your dog on a fucking leash - those animals are vermin if they're running around unattended, and predators are doing a service by clearing them away.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
24. What a goddamned sense of entitlement these farmers have!
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:45 PM
Sep 2014

"I want to fence off thousands of acres of the ecosystem, raise one species, and KILL anything that threatens my money-making operation, even if it is an endangered species."





2naSalit

(86,513 posts)
29. Which is
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:53 AM
Sep 2014

one of the compromises made early on in this twenty+ year battle. The ESA was altered numerous times to compromise from the advocates of wolves side of the argument but no give from opponents, just nastiness and assumptions based on mythology rather than answer to acknowledge the scientific indications that wolves are important to the environment and genetic integrity of the prey species.

The ranching community is blowing a lot of smoke. They whine a lot but if they would actually get out and do their jobs, there would be far less then the 0.01% of wolf predation on livestock that barely exists in the first place. There have been numerous non-lethal wolf management techniques developed but the ranching community won't employ them due to unrealistic hatred.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
15. I hope so..
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:12 PM
Sep 2014

Although wolf hunting is (was) legal in Wyoming, these hunters go further to make a statement about their attitude toward wolves and their impact on big-game populations in October 2013. (Wind River Outdoor World)


ENDANGERED SPECIES — Federal protections for gray wolves in Wyoming were reinstated today after a judge invalidated the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s 2012 statewide Endangered Species Act delisting of the species, according to Earthjustice.

The ruling from the U.S. District Court halts the management of wolves by Wyoming, a state with a history of anti-wolf policies.
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
25. A bunch of sorry, stupid assholes
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:46 PM
Sep 2014

I'm guessing not a day of military service among these coward killers.

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