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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:49 PM Sep 2014

The First Female Genital Mutilation Clinic for Girls Opens in UK

In the UK alone, more than 60,000 girls are at risk or suffering from Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), according to a new report. The study, done by Equality Now and City University London, prompted the University College Hospital Clinic to open a monthly service dedicated to helping girls who are dealing with the ramifications of this practice.

It aims to both educate and council, with a focus on girls under the age of 18. Statistics have shown that if families are educated about the practice, it could save younger siblings from FGM. Although FGM clinics do exist in the UK, this will be the first one primarily devoted to minors.

It will work closely with families, social services and law enforcement. Referrals as well as surgery, when necessary, will be offered.

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One woman, who agreed to speak about her experience with FGM, is a successful, modern 27-year-old living in the UK. A daughter of Eritrean immigrants, she was ‘nicked’ when she was a child. “You know the worst thing,” she says, “Is people assuming I’m somehow broken because of this. There is a stigma surrounding it and I rarely bring it up with boyfriends because of that. They all assume I’m defiled and ruined…I don’t need pity though.” She related that she still enjoys sexual activity and can achieve orgasm. “I am still a whole person; not defined by this.”

She said she would never perform the same ritual on her daughter, but holds no ill will towards her parents for what they did. “It was cultural, and they didn’t know any better. If there had been someone to explain to them why it was wrong, or even unnecessary, they probably wouldn’t have done it. It’s a matter of educating people.”

This is exactly what the FGM clinic for girls is hoping to achieve. While many within the west see FGM as unimaginable, the point of the clinic is not to shame or castigate, but simply to help parents and children who are grappling with this issue. It hopes that by treating the youngest subjected to FGM, and opening a dialogue, they can stem the tide of this practice for future generations.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/the-first-female-genital-mutilation-clinic-for-girls-opens-in-uk.html#ixzz3ENWMD0sJ

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The First Female Genital Mutilation Clinic for Girls Opens in UK (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 OP
OK. That title really had me thinking the clinic had the opposite purpose. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #1
Me too. I had to read the article to get the point of the clinic. Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #3
Really. Because the UK, a modern western country is ALL about facilitating FGM. (snort) Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #35
What kind of dickish reply is that? I'm somehow degrading women because for a fraction of a moment Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #55
OK, WTF? smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #2
Seems the purpose is to provide care to those have already been FGMed Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #4
It seems like its purpose is both to help victims and educate to put an Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #5
Yes, a very bad title. smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #8
Are you also confused about HIV clinics? Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #12
Really? Kinda snarky. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #30
That is about the most horribly worded headline I have ever seen. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #6
yes but if a clinic is named "The TB clinic" everyone would assume its purpose to treat TB Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #7
Yeah but this is the first of it's kind.. SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #9
As were the first HIV clinics. Nobody confused them with wanting to give people HIV. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #13
because FGM is done to females on purpose by those close to them , HIV isn't treated the same way JI7 Sep 2014 #15
Many cities have rape treatment clinics, Would you assume that these clinics are there to Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #17
no, because rape is not treated as the same as FGM by those close to them, the thing with FGM JI7 Sep 2014 #19
Really. It's considered positive in the UK? Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #24
yes, among certain immigrant communities JI7 Sep 2014 #26
Are you really going to advance the notion that the UK would allow this. Really. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #27
no, i never said the UK would allow it JI7 Sep 2014 #28
One would assume the UK with a strong history of being anti-child rape Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #56
Immigrant communities? Like the Irish? AngryAmish Sep 2014 #60
In some communities that would be a YES leftynyc Sep 2014 #61
No, because, for one, the word "treatment" is in there. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #52
TB and HIV are diseases-- they are not medical procedures Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #18
First dog fighting clinic opens in the UK. Yep the first thing that would pop into my head is it is Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #22
A clinic is a place for medical procedures Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #40
So then, a Pain Clinic is where one goes ... to get ... what ... ? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #44
In the western world (i.e., the UK, THE UK, mentioned in the subject line) an FGM clinic would be Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #48
FGM is not a medical procedure. You understand this, Yes? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #43
Exactly. Clinics treat people. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #10
and a "fertility clinic" is for those who are IN-fertile. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #36
Really. What would be your alternative title to an HIV clinic. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #11
The difference is that nobody wants HIV, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #16
You honestly believe the the UK, THE UK, a modern western nation with a strong FEMINIST Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #20
one might think it's a clinic which claims to do one thing but actually does FGM JI7 Sep 2014 #21
One might think that if one lives in Egypt. But the OP clearly states the UK. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #23
yes, and immigrant communities in the UK and elsewhere where it's banned still do it JI7 Sep 2014 #25
In order for your argument to hold water, you would also have to believe the UK would allow such a Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #32
i didn't say the UK would allow it , i know that immigrant communities in the UK and elsewhere JI7 Sep 2014 #37
No, of course I wouldn't believe that. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #31
Any person who sees the UK in the title and would jump to that conclusion is a misogynist. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #33
Or they could be deeply ignorant. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #34
Apparently there are many DUers who don't know what "UK' stands for. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #39
anyone who makes broad generalizations about who is or is not a misogynist, especially based on KittyWampus Sep 2014 #38
Consider this: NYC Opens Female Genital Mutilation Clinic Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #41
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #51
yeah this whole subthread bobduca Sep 2014 #57
And yet the responses by many here kiva Sep 2014 #59
Nobody wants FGM either. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #45
there ARE people who want it for their daughters including people in places like the UK JI7 Sep 2014 #47
ask the daughter if she wants it. done here. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #49
the girls are usually minors JI7 Sep 2014 #50
If nobody wanted it leftynyc Sep 2014 #62
what part of done here do you not understand? I am done here. capiche and peace out. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #63
But you're wrong leftynyc Sep 2014 #64
Because yes, female genital mutilations is what we do and open clinics for in the west. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #14
I am saddened that this is needed, ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #29
Me too. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #42
Me three. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #46
Chalk me up as another who supports the idea but thinks the wording is bad. NT Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #53
Now let's start prosecuting the persons of dubious ancestry who enable this crime intaglio Sep 2014 #54
I hope more clinics are opened TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #58

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
35. Really. Because the UK, a modern western country is ALL about facilitating FGM. (snort)
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:20 AM
Sep 2014

The title had me thinking about healing.

This is how degraded women have become in the US. That people would actually read that title and think that the UK, THE UK, a modern western country, would allow a clinic to open to facilitate FGM.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
55. What kind of dickish reply is that? I'm somehow degrading women because for a fraction of a moment
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:05 AM
Sep 2014

the title sounded far fetched? That's exactly the point. "Wait, I can't be reading this right. ". Or "How long before a place like that gets shut down by authorities or burned to the ground? " etc, etc. So yeah some of us did a double take. So fucking what?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
2. OK, WTF?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:53 PM
Sep 2014

Is this to help those who have been mutilated or to continue the practice? I am a bit confused.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
5. It seems like its purpose is both to help victims and educate to put an
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:56 PM
Sep 2014

end to the practice. It's a bad title.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. That is about the most horribly worded headline I have ever seen.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:57 PM
Sep 2014

Not blaming the OP, because I know it's on the original article. It should have been worded something like "Hospital opens service to help girls who are dealing with the ramifications of genital mutilation".

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
7. yes but if a clinic is named "The TB clinic" everyone would assume its purpose to treat TB
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:09 PM
Sep 2014

not to infect people with TB.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
9. Yeah but this is the first of it's kind..
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:14 AM
Sep 2014

I wasn't sure till I opened the page but you only need to glance to see what it's about. No foul

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
17. Many cities have rape treatment clinics, Would you assume that these clinics are there to
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:39 AM
Sep 2014

offer rape?

JI7

(89,269 posts)
19. no, because rape is not treated as the same as FGM by those close to them, the thing with FGM
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:40 AM
Sep 2014

is it's seen as acceptable and positive and done to the girls by those close to them such as parents .

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
27. Are you really going to advance the notion that the UK would allow this. Really.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:03 AM
Sep 2014

So, you read the OP, which clearly states that it is a clinic in the UK... a modern western nation with a strong history of ant- FGM feminist activism and policy...

And you are somehow confused that the UK... a modern western nation with a strong history of ant- FGM feminist activism and policy...

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
56. One would assume the UK with a strong history of being anti-child rape
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:21 AM
Sep 2014

would move to end a cultural practice of child rape; but after the Rotherham affair came to light all bets are off.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
61. In some communities that would be a YES
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:41 AM
Sep 2014

So you can stop pretending it's outrageous that this poorly worded title was misinterpreted. Especially when some aspects of sharia law have already been adopted in Great Britain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html

snip
Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.
Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.
The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.
Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.
Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
52. No, because, for one, the word "treatment" is in there.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:53 AM
Sep 2014

Maybe if this was worded FGM treatment clinic instead of FGM clinic, people might not have the same initial reaction.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
18. TB and HIV are diseases-- they are not medical procedures
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:40 AM
Sep 2014

Some people *want* to mutilate the genitals of their daughters, so in this case the meaning of "female genital mutilation clinic" could be interpreted either way (although since it is called a "clinic", rather than a "counseling center", it tends to imply a place for medical precedures).

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
22. First dog fighting clinic opens in the UK. Yep the first thing that would pop into my head is it is
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:50 AM
Sep 2014

a clinic to promote dog fighting. Not.

Clinics are for healing.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
40. A clinic is a place for medical procedures
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:34 AM
Sep 2014

A plastic surgery clinic is not particularly for healing.

If you heard of a circumcision clinic, what would your first impression be? A place where victims of circumcision could get counseling, or a place where circumcision was performed?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
48. In the western world (i.e., the UK, THE UK, mentioned in the subject line) an FGM clinic would be
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:55 AM
Sep 2014

therapeutic. Because in the UK, as in the US, FGM is ILLEGAL. So when I read a headline that a clinic has opened in the UK, for FGM in a country where FGM IS ILLEGAL, my immediate thought is that the clinic is therapeutic.

Not that the headline is unfortunate.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
16. The difference is that nobody wants HIV,
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:36 AM
Sep 2014

whereas it is a horrible fact that many people actually want their daughters to undergo genital mutilation. And I am not the only DUer who initially misunderstood the headline as referring to a clinic that catered to this horrible wish.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
20. You honestly believe the the UK, THE UK, a modern western nation with a strong FEMINIST
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:46 AM
Sep 2014

history against Female Genital Mutilation, would allow a clinic to promote the practice?

What would you make of this headline?

First dog torture clinic opens in the UK.

Would your first though be the UK is opening up a clinic to torture dogs?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
32. In order for your argument to hold water, you would also have to believe the UK would allow such a
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:09 AM
Sep 2014

clinic to exist.

And that you find credulous that the UK, a modern western anti-FGM state, would allow a clinic to practice this barbarianism, reveals your prejudice against women.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
37. i didn't say the UK would allow it , i know that immigrant communities in the UK and elsewhere
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:27 AM
Sep 2014

often do things within their families which are not legal there.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
31. No, of course I wouldn't believe that.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:08 AM
Sep 2014

But that doesn't mean that there aren't people who would jump to such a conclusion (one in six Americans believes that Obama is a Muslim). If a headline relies on the reader's knowledge and experience for him or her not to get the wrong impression, it is a poorly worded headline.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
34. Or they could be deeply ignorant.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:12 AM
Sep 2014

I bet there are is a significant percentage of Americans who do not know what "UK" stands for, for example.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
39. Apparently there are many DUers who don't know what "UK' stands for.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:31 AM
Sep 2014

The confusion digs deep into the depths of ignorance.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
38. anyone who makes broad generalizations about who is or is not a misogynist, especially based on
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:28 AM
Sep 2014

how one interprets a poorly worded news articles, is an obnoxious, argumentative agitator.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
41. Consider this: NYC Opens Female Genital Mutilation Clinic
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:37 AM
Sep 2014

Who but the right wing insane would be confused and wonder if New York City us opening up a clinic to perform female genital mutilation.

I won't be lead by the nose by idiots.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
57. yeah this whole subthread
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:35 AM
Sep 2014

is big on intentional outrage over genuine confusion about a badly titled article.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
59. And yet the responses by many here
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:23 AM
Sep 2014

indicate that it is possible to know what the UK is, not be a misogynist, and still think the headline sucks. Which means that your conclusion is wrong and perhaps you should consider not accusing everyone who disagrees with you an ignorant misogynist.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
47. there ARE people who want it for their daughters including people in places like the UK
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:52 AM
Sep 2014

and US . usually immigrants from nations that allow it.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
50. the girls are usually minors
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:08 AM
Sep 2014

they sometimes don't even know what is happening until it starts.

i'm speaking reality of what happens. and reality is their own family including mothers and fathers often want it done to them and do it to them. and they are usually young .

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
64. But you're wrong
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:01 AM
Sep 2014

It IS done in UK and the US and various other places. To pretend otherwise is to deny reality.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
54. Now let's start prosecuting the persons of dubious ancestry who enable this crime
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:11 AM
Sep 2014

We in the UK lag far behind on this.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
58. I hope more clinics are opened
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:38 AM
Sep 2014

And I pray and wish them all the success in stopping this horrible, horrible practice.

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