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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:48 PM Sep 2014

WOW! Rolling Stone EXPOSES Koch Bros: financially, politically, environmentally ***MUST READ

One of the most eye-opening articles I have read in a long time. How are these guys not rotting in jail?? Unbelievable!!!

About the patriarch:

...Fred had built a domestic oil empire under a new company eventually called Rock Island Oil & Refining, transporting crude from wellheads to refineries by truck or by pipe. In those later years, Fred also became a major benefactor and board member of the John Birch Society, the rabidly anti-communist organization founded in 1958 by candy magnate and virulent racist Robert Welch. Bircher publications warned that the Red endgame was the creation of the "Negro Soviet­ Republic" in the Deep South. In his own writing, Fred described integration as a Red plot to "enslave both the white and black man..."


On their "Market Based Management" which rewarded workers for cutting costs and fired those who acted responsibly, a risky business model in the oil industry:

...On the day before Danielle Smalley was to leave for college, she and her friend Jason Stone were hanging out in her family's mobile home. Seventeen years old, with long chestnut hair, Danielle began to feel nauseated. "Dad," she said, "we smell gas." It was 3:45 in the afternoon on August 24th, 1996, near Lively, Texas, some 50 miles southeast of Dallas. The Smalleys were too poor to own a telephone. So the teens jumped into her dad's 1964 Chevy pickup to alert the authorities. As they drove away, the truck stalled where the driveway crossed a dry creek bed. Danielle cranked the ignition, and a fireball engulfed the truck. "You see two children burned to death in front of you – you never forget that," Danielle's father, Danny, would later tell reporters.

Unknown to the Smalleys, a decrepit Koch pipeline carrying liquid butane – literally, lighter fluid – ran through their subdivision. It had ruptured, filling the creek bed with vapor, and the spark from the pickup's ignition had set off a bomb. Federal investigators documented both "severe corrosion" and "mechanical damage" in the pipeline. A National Transportation Safety Board report would cite the "failure of Koch Pipeline Company LP to adequately protect its pipeline from corrosion."

Installed in the early Eighties, the pipeline had been out of commission for three years. When Koch decided to start it up again in 1995, a water-pressure test had blown the pipe open. An inspection of just a few dozen miles of pipe near the Smal­ley home found 538 corrosion defects. The industry's term of art for a pipeline in this condition is Swiss cheese, according to the testimony of an expert witness – "essentially the pipeline is gone."

Koch repaired only 80 of the defects – enough to allow the pipeline to withstand another pressure check – and began running explosive fluid down the line at high pressure in January 1996. A month later, employees discovered that a key anti­corrosion system had malfunctioned, but it was never fixed. Charles Koch had made it clear to managers that they were expected to slash costs and boost profits. In a sternly worded memo that April, Charles had ordered his top managers to cut expenditures by 10 percent "through the elimination of waste (I'm sure there is much more waste than that)" in order to increase pre-tax earnings by $550 million a year...


There is so much more, but I can't copy any more. Just read it. It's long and INFORMATIVE!

Honestly! Its just incredible these men are not in jail!

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-20140924#ixzz3EO6wCy9K
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WOW! Rolling Stone EXPOSES Koch Bros: financially, politically, environmentally ***MUST READ (Original Post) FourScore Sep 2014 OP
They are not in jail because we have lost democratic control over corporations. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #1
Absolutely. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #2
Not "lost". Gave up. Could turn off cable and get it back anytime. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2014 #8
Maybe not just cable salib Sep 2014 #53
Less and less so, as others we share this country with vote gop annominous Sep 2014 #61
I tend to blame myself more than my fellow americans salib Sep 2014 #70
A corrupt Supreme Court and a bought-out Democratic Party are as much to blame for this! blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #10
yep! n/t marym625 Sep 2014 #59
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Sep 2014 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author cantbeserious Sep 2014 #48
kpete has a thread on this as well but it's worth reading, kicking and recommending at least twice. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #3
I usually care about dupe threads, but I'll K&R this every time I see it posted Electric Monk Sep 2014 #4
Thanks! I just kicked and rec'd kpete's post as well. n/t FourScore Sep 2014 #7
Thanks was just about to ask for it marym625 Sep 2014 #60
Thanks for letting me know, Uncle Joe. FourScore Sep 2014 #5
I believe that's a good idea, FourScore. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #6
Why did Prescott Bush never end up in jail? n/t MrModerate Sep 2014 #9
Ever heard the saying, "Justice may be blind, but it can smell money"? n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #21
No, but... ReRe Sep 2014 #28
a long time ago NewJeffCT Sep 2014 #41
same as it ever was... alterfurz Sep 2014 #67
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #11
Not in jail because the voters keep their minions in office. Mitch, Rand, Boehner, Walker, etc. freshwest Sep 2014 #12
Don't forget the Bushies davidpdx Sep 2014 #13
and why do voters keep their minions in office... BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #63
That's it. Their zombies are programmed to vote at every election, too!!! freshwest Sep 2014 #64
yes...ugh! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #73
K&R newfie11 Sep 2014 #14
K & R davidpdx Sep 2014 #15
Kick for reading later.. Mahalo FourScore~ Cha Sep 2014 #16
A different set of excerpts/overview: UTUSN Sep 2014 #24
Mahalo, UTUSN! :) Cha Sep 2014 #52
Numerous post in this thread show that right here on DU there a many who understand ladjf Sep 2014 #17
It's going to take more than a keyboard revolution. n/t progressoid Sep 2014 #18
Cute remark. I've heard it for years right here on DU. ladjf Sep 2014 #19
Not that I'll post publicly progressoid Sep 2014 #22
A keyboard Revolution 1dogleft Sep 2014 #46
True... Veilex Sep 2014 #51
The "Arab Spring" last year started with keyboards. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #65
A very good point. Veilex Sep 2014 #69
Possibly the greatest liability for those who don't have great wealth ladjf Sep 2014 #71
Preaching to the Choir. Veilex Sep 2014 #74
I know. I guess I was just signing on as a choir member. ladjf Sep 2014 #75
You've got a great list going! Veilex Sep 2014 #76
Grassroots effort to get money out of politics TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #23
There is no doubt that your thinking on the right track. ladjf Sep 2014 #37
A few things... ReRe Sep 2014 #30
Publicly Funded Federal, State, and Local Elections( PFE's)! Back Bernie Sanders and knock on doors, Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #49
All great ideas. Gotta get them done somehow. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #66
Thank God for Rolling Stone's investigative journalism (nt) Babel_17 Sep 2014 #20
True LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #27
Yes they are very good underpants Sep 2014 #33
Mother Jones also had Koch article last month. HelenWheels Sep 2014 #25
kick samsingh Sep 2014 #26
Yes, the recent Mother Jones article is also very informative. nt grasswire Sep 2014 #29
Here's another compilation of family history tech3149 Sep 2014 #31
Ah yes, Harry Koch ymetca Sep 2014 #34
K&R for MORE tosh Sep 2014 #32
Ah, but the missing piece is... Crash2Parties Sep 2014 #35
I read this article yesterday TRoN33 Sep 2014 #36
This is the best article on those SOBs I've read yet Warpy Sep 2014 #38
Agree. It was a great article. LoisB Sep 2014 #39
I have argued this point until I am literally blue in the face for years... Moostache Sep 2014 #40
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Sep 2014 #42
K & R Bigmack Sep 2014 #43
Just what BP did to cause their refinery in Texas City to blow up in 2005. They cut "Everything Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #44
Is this article only xxqqqzme Sep 2014 #45
Outstanding. K&R Veilex Sep 2014 #50
K and freaking R ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #54
They mentionioned "Kochtopus" procon Sep 2014 #55
Keeping this kicked Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2014 #56
K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #57
200 kpete Sep 2014 #58
Sometimes I wish I could "like" a comment like on facebook. FourScore Sep 2014 #62
Bump again davidpdx Sep 2014 #68
Saw that. Excellent article. n/t DirkGently Sep 2014 #72
Those fuckers are just plain evil. hifiguy Sep 2014 #77
This is a great article Gothmog Sep 2014 #78
 

annominous

(68 posts)
61. Less and less so, as others we share this country with vote gop
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
Sep 2014

The Kochs are winning. There was no doubt about it, 40 years ago, they were on the lunatic fringe.

Now? By now they have convinced a large minority of the country to vote with them, using some of the most simple minded arguments in human history. How did they do it?

Persistence? Single-mindedness? Money? Pandering to the low impulses (race baiting, disinterest in paying taxes ... meaning: greed, name calling??? like, when has anyone really thought that calling someone else a communist would result in the ostracism of the one who was called the name ... on right, since Reagan).

Makes me ashamed of my fellow Americans.

salib

(2,116 posts)
70. I tend to blame myself more than my fellow americans
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:00 PM
Sep 2014

I tend to have more impact on myself. However, it is ironic that at the same time our real power for good is in everyone else. Numbers matter.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
10. A corrupt Supreme Court and a bought-out Democratic Party are as much to blame for this!
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:46 AM
Sep 2014
MUST.
LOOK.
FORWARD.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #1)

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
3. kpete has a thread on this as well but it's worth reading, kicking and recommending at least twice.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:21 AM
Sep 2014

Thanks for the thread, FourScore.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
4. I usually care about dupe threads, but I'll K&R this every time I see it posted
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:23 AM
Sep 2014

(for the next couple of days, anyway)

Here's kpete's: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025586424

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
5. Thanks for letting me know, Uncle Joe.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:33 AM
Sep 2014

It looks like kpete and I posted this just minutes apart. Normally, I would delete mine, but this article is so important, I want WIDE distribution!! I'll kick and rec hers as well.

Thanks for the k&R!

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
6. I believe that's a good idea, FourScore.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:40 AM
Sep 2014

The Kochs don't like exposure hence their attorney's letter to Rachel Maddow, so I say, let her rip.

On a thread by LisaLynne.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025573601

Koch Bros Send Maddow a Script to Read

They are outraged that Rachel reported on links between supposedly state-based, local policy groups and their funding, which leads back to the Koch Brothers.



NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
41. a long time ago
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:15 PM
Sep 2014

my father used to say something similar - you're innocent as long as your money holds out.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
67. same as it ever was...
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:19 AM
Sep 2014

...only more so:

Laws are like spiders' webs which, if anything small and weak falls into them they ensnare it, but the large and powerful break through and escape. -- Solon, ca. 600 B.C.E.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
63. and why do voters keep their minions in office...
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:15 AM
Sep 2014

Because US media is a wholly owned Reich Wing propaganda venture.

UTUSN

(70,692 posts)
24. A different set of excerpts/overview:
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:30 AM
Sep 2014

*************QUOTE**** [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"] [/FONT]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-20140924#ixzz3EQrx8btk
[font size=5]Inside the Koch Brothers' Toxic Empire [/font]

Together, Charles and David Koch control one of the world's largest fortunes, which they are using to buy up our political system. But what they don't want you to know is how they made all that money

By Tim Dickinson

The enormity of the Koch fortune is no mystery. Brothers Charles and David are each worth more than $40 billion. The electoral influence of the Koch brothers is similarly well-chronicled. The Kochs are our homegrown oligarchs; they've cornered the market on Republican politics and are nakedly attempting to buy Congress and the White House. Their political network helped finance the Tea Party and powers today's GOP. Koch-affiliated organizations raised some [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]$400 million during the 2012 election[/FONT], and aim to spend another [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]$290 million[/FONT] to elect Republicans [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]in this year's midterms[/FONT]. So far in this cycle, Koch-backed entities have bought 44,000 political ads to boost Republican efforts to take back the Senate. ....

The volume of [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Koch Industries' toxic output is staggering[/FONT]. According to the University of Massachusetts Amherst's Political Economy Research Institute, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]only three companies[/FONT] rank among the [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]top 30 polluters[/FONT] of America's air, water and climate: [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]ExxonMobil, American Electric Power and Koch Industries[/FONT]. Thanks in part to its 2005 purchase of paper-mill giant [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Georgia-Pacific[/FONT], Koch Industries dumps more pollutants into the nation's waterways than General Electric and International Paper combined. The company ranks 13th in the nation for toxic air pollution. Koch's climate pollution, meanwhile, outpaces oil giants including Valero, Chevron and Shell. Across its businesses, Koch generates 24 million metric tons of greenhouse gases a year.

For Koch, this [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]license to pollute[/FONT] amounts to a perverse, hidden subsidy. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]The cost is borne by communities[/FONT] in cities like Port Arthur, Texas, where a Koch-owned facility produces as much as 2 billion pounds of petrochemicals every year. In March, Koch signed a consent decree with the Department of Justice requiring it to spend more than $40 million to bring this plant into compliance with the Clean Air Act.

The toxic history of Koch Industries is not limited to physical pollution. It also extends to the company's [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]business practices[/FONT], which have been the target of numerous federal investigations, resulting in several indictments and convictions, as well as a whole host of fines and penalties. ....

But Charles was already falling under the sway of a charismatic radio personality named [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Robert LeFevre[/FONT], founder of the [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Freedom School, a whites-only­ libertarian[/FONT] boot camp in the foothills above Colorado Springs, Colorado. LeFevre preached a form of [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]anarchic capitalism[/FONT] in which the individual should be freed from almost all government power. Charles soon had to make a choice. While the Birchers supported the Vietnam War, his new guru was a pacifist who equated militarism with out-of-control state power. LeFevre's stark influence on Koch's thinking is crystallized in a manifesto Charles wrote for the Libertarian Review in the 1970s, recently unearthed by Schulman, titled "The Business Community: Resisting Regulation." Charles lays out principles that gird [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]today's Tea Party[/FONT] movement. Referring to regulation as "totalitarian," the 41-year-old Charles claimed business leaders had been "hoodwinked" by the notion that regulation is "in the public interest." ....

By this time, the Kochs had [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]soured on the Libertarian[/FONT] Party, concluding that control of a small party would never give them the muscle they sought in the nation's capital. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Now they would spend millions[/FONT] in efforts to influence – and ultimately [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]take over – the GOP[/FONT]. The work began close to home; the Kochs had become dedicated patrons of Sen. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Bob Dole[/FONT] of Kansas, who ran interference for Koch Industries in Washington. On the Senate floor in March 1990, Dole gloatingly cautioned against a "rush to judgment" against Koch, citing "very real concerns about some of the evidence on which the special committee was basing its findings." A grand jury investigated the claims but disbanded in 1992, without issuing indictments. ....

Then George W. Bush entered the White House in 2001, his campaign fattened with Koch money. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Charles Koch may decry cronyism as "nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful," but[/FONT] he put his company to work, hand in glove, with the Bush White House. Correspondence, contacts and visits among Koch Industries representatives and the Bush White House generated nearly 20,000 pages of records, according to a Rolling Stone FOIA request of the George W. Bush Presidential Library. In 2007, the administration installed a fiercely anti-regulatory academic, Susan Dudley, who hailed from the Koch-funded [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Mercatus Center at George Mason University[/FONT], as its top regulatory official. ....
*******UNQUOTE******

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
17. Numerous post in this thread show that right here on DU there a many who understand
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:17 AM
Sep 2014

what is going on politically in America. I would assume that there are millions of Americans just as well informed.

So, it appears that knowing the situation isn't a remedy. If that is true, then what is the way Americans can fix this tragic morass of criminal behavior?

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
19. Cute remark. I've heard it for years right here on DU.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:53 AM
Sep 2014

Do you have a better idea other than "get off your ass and write to your congressman or make sure you vote"?

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
22. Not that I'll post publicly
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:59 AM
Sep 2014

What I'm thinking should be done isn't exactly legal.

So I guess I'll continue to get off my ass and write to my congressman and vote.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
71. Possibly the greatest liability for those who don't have great wealth
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

is the inability to connect with others who are of a like mind. Now the masses can communicate on a massive scale.

I recognize the fact that keyboards can't manufacture physical things but they could organize enough like minded people to be able to turn elections their way regardless of the fact that the mass media is whoring out full time for the powerful rich.

The word needs to be gotten out to all Americans that the rich are abusing and stealing our share of Earth's bounty and that their main propaganda tool is their media. Further, we need to sell the masses on the idea that beliefs should be fact based rather than a collection of "traditional" notions.

The first concrete goal is to not allow the Republicans to gain a majority in the Senate and to do away with the filibuster rules.

The second goal is to return the makeup of the Supreme into a non-partisan, honest, wise group of judges.

The third goal is to get started on the wealth disparity by upping the minimum wage to $15.00

Fourth: Revise the income tax structure demanding by law that the wealthiest individuals start paying a true, proportionate fair share. That would include a inheritance tax that not only helps balance gvt. expenses but takes away the family dynasty problem.
The Constitution should be revised to disallow the money from flowing only to the wealthy and to disallow using money to buy the politicians and judges.

Churches should not be allowed to retain tax free status while they are advocating political positions. The idea of Church Dominion must be squelched in order to retain a good Democratic Government.

Public Schools must be revived from 50 years of attacks by the Right Wing, who only wanted to destroy public education and replace it with the farcical private, i.e. religious and right wing schools of whites.

Government spying on Americans and other Nations must be brought under control.

The National infrastructure needs to be massively rebuilt with the added benefit of providing good paying jobs.

We should work with other Countries to revise the structure of the U.N. so that it might actually function as an effective World Body.

We should stop rubber stamping and equipping Israel. They've be a Nation long enough to make it on their own.

Keeping the environment healthy must always remain a top priority.

Americans need to get up to speed on the philosophy of humanism, applying it's best principles to the way we treat each other.

These are among the things that come to mind as realistic, achievable goals that would vastly improve the quality of life.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
74. Preaching to the Choir.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 04:00 PM
Sep 2014

That's pretty much the platform agreed upon by most on this website.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
75. I know. I guess I was just signing on as a choir member.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 04:02 PM
Sep 2014

I was attempting to prioritize the steps in order of the feasibility.


 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
76. You've got a great list going!
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 05:40 PM
Sep 2014

I'd probably lump a few of those you enumerated together, but you'd get no argument out of me that they are important!
I'd say we're largely on the same page.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
23. Grassroots effort to get money out of politics
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:02 AM
Sep 2014

And that grassroot effort needs to find a charismatic leader who can appeal to the masses.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
37. There is no doubt that your thinking on the right track.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:24 PM
Sep 2014

The big money people own the media, the politicians and the police.

The Supreme Court is the "head of the hydra". They are the ones allowing the money to buy elections, plus owning the media.

As long as the Supremes are Republican partisans, the will allow the big money to rule.

If the Pubs gain control of the Senate, it's going to be a long time before there will be any chance to improve the horrible political condition that now prevails.

If the Dems still hold the Senate, they've got to disallow the filibuster rules. Why they haven't done it when the could have remains a big mystery to me. (Probably, there are almost as many crooked Dems as there are Pubs).

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. A few things...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:02 PM
Sep 2014

1) Get an AG who isn't beholding to the business community. 2) MoveToAmend to do away with Citizen's United. 3) Vote in a massive Democratic Majority into Congress and keep Democrats in the White House for the foreseeable future, in order to get unbiased fair Constitution-loving Justices onto the Supreme Court.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
49. Publicly Funded Federal, State, and Local Elections( PFE's)! Back Bernie Sanders and knock on doors,
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:22 PM
Sep 2014

donate, use the internets to spread the word, whatever you can do! It is the negative people who say it cannot be done that will be the reason it fails. More and more people are fed up with our political system and our entire society being controlled by these Plutocrats. They have many of the Judges, the media and the brainwashed and bought off police. They are prepared, but I think when this thing goes off they will go overboard and more people will realize that this ain't the America they thought it was!
This is not a Republican or Democratic issue, this is an issue for all. Nothing will happen substantially on climate change until we take the money out of politics!
Help spread the word and let Bernie know you are behind him because he has made PFE's his #1 issue! We can shock them all with numbers which will bring more politicians on board.
What are we here at DU for if not to make the changes to our country that need to be made? Please don't let me discover that this is nothing more than a good place to bitch among like thinking people!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
27. True
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:27 PM
Sep 2014

In this sad day you have to go to a comedy network to get your TV news
The internet to get radio shows that aren't right wing hate shows
And a music magazine to get your political investigative magazine journalism (among a few others)

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
25. Mother Jones also had Koch article last month.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014

It was very damaging but will not harm the Koch's. Although the Koch brothers do not lile publicity. One of them said, "Why do some people not like us?" Gee, I wonder.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
34. Ah yes, Harry Koch
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:37 PM
Sep 2014

The Dutch immigrant with enough money to start his own right-wing printing press...

But the tale really goes further back.. to the Dutch East India Company --the world's first multinational corporation. The ideology of slavery and resource exploitation by those who dare is the absolute, highest tenet of becoming the "master of all I survey".

It's Secret Lodge stuff.

Notice how the propaganda machine is always key to the carrot-and-stick plot of bribing folks into the cabal of "movers and shakers", or else leaving them to the rabble, the "human resources" to be ruthlessly exploited. "Many are called, but few are chosen", and all that clap-trap. All grist for the horrible mill of the Master Class of "vintage trampling".

Or as Plarramom once mused, "when a species begins to devour itself it evolves".

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
35. Ah, but the missing piece is...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

...journalists and a political party able & willing to get the message through to voters of who is beholden to the KBros and who is not, and how the next election will increase their power or start to hold them in check.

Without that next step, this is just one half of "fair and balanced reporting" and will get lost in the noise.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
36. I read this article yesterday
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:41 PM
Sep 2014

And still wondering why the hell Koch brothers aren't in jail? If I had done the same thing as Koch bros, I'd be in for life-sentence in prison.

America, oh my, God bless this country for the love of injustice and inequality in name of rich men! Oh America, oh my God I love this country!

Warpy

(111,259 posts)
38. This is the best article on those SOBs I've read yet
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:49 PM
Sep 2014

Charles Koch just might be the worst enemy this country has ever had.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
40. I have argued this point until I am literally blue in the face for years...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:05 PM
Sep 2014

Corporations MUST be held LEGALLY and MORALLY responsible for their "externalities".

These asshat Koch brothers are just the tip of a very virulent iceberg and mentality...that way of thinking believers that the "owners" should be entitled to endless profits from any venture without ANY of the burdensome costs associated with depreciation, maintenance of infrastructure, waste or contamination removal and environmental impact.

They are scream like stuck pigs at the very notion of having to take less of the pie than they do, and god help us all if they were actually forced to only take their share on NET instead of GROSS revenue...somehow the idea that the owner's cut is a portion of gross take has been imbued into our collective thinking.

Change THAT, and you will solve climate change, rebuild the middle class, repair our infrastructure and make life on this planet a lot better for everyone.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
43. K & R
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:38 PM
Sep 2014

Gonna look for a copy of the mag when we go out tonite, as I don't like reading long stuff on line. Ms Bigmack

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
44. Just what BP did to cause their refinery in Texas City to blow up in 2005. They cut "Everything
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:47 PM
Sep 2014

by 25%" to save money after their merger with Amoco in 2002. In coming up with 4 budget proposals to address Amaco's rusty half shut down refinery, BP had one budget with a picture of a straw house next to it, the next with a stick house, brick house, and something called the impenatrable fortress. Under the Straw and Stick house budgets they estimated they would kill some workers as they were not fixing all of the most dangerous problems. Instead of throwing those out they decided to figure out, "How much $ will it cost to save our little piggies (cartoon picture of pigs) bacon, and how much will it cost if we don't save our little piggies?" They came up with $10 million, but that was to also cover their defense attorneys (self insured) and an ad budget to run commercials to rehab their image. They had a multimillion dollar ad budget and started the damage control within 2 hours of the explosion.
All because they didn't want to install a flare for 2 million that they had talked about doing from the beginning, but kept putting off. See, mid level managers are assigned different units and their bonuses, raises and promotions depended on how profitable their units were. The managers were reassigned every year or two. If they were profitable they moved up, if not they went down. If the pipe in your newly assigned units was too thin, did you have it replaced (very expensive) or patch it and leave the problem to the next guy?
This is also why BP ruined the Gulf of Mexico, they didn't learn!

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
45. Is this article only
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:51 PM
Sep 2014

online? When I was out today, I looked for the issue w/ the article but it was not on the news stand. Only an issue with Taylor Swift on the cover.

procon

(15,805 posts)
55. They mentionioned "Kochtopus"
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:20 PM
Sep 2014

and after reading the article its clear they have their greedy tentacles in just about everything. Its like an obscene plot from a bad novel where these two oligarchs plan long term schemes to corrupt the government in an ongoing effort to create their own designer country... and it scares me that they will succeed.

Iwillnevergiveup

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56. Keeping this kicked
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:28 PM
Sep 2014

What a piece of journalism - should be required reading for all high school seniors this year. Doesn't matter what course - history, civics, English - our kids across the country need to read and digest this as they turn 18 and register to VOTE.

K&R

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