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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFBI Says that Apple and Google are horrid for locking the phones.
As many here saw Apple has announced that IS 08 has encryption in it that prevents Apple from being able to unlock the phone, even if they are given a warrant. Many privacy advocates have cheered Apple's actions, which was quickly joined by Google for their Android systems.
Some people aren't nearly so enthusiastic in their approval. In fact, some are down right upset that the phones will be out of their reach.
Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey told reporters Thursday that the agency is talking to both companies to raise concerns that their privacy efforts could hinder criminal investigations.
So what horrid crimes are being trotted out that will now go unsolved if the police don't have access to the phones? If you guessed Child Pornography, you guessed right.
And if anyone should know about Pedophiles, it's the Chicago Police right?
Allen Hall, 60, a 19-year police officer, was charged with separate counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse and assault charges including several involving a child, according to records.
So what is this all about? Obviously the outrage about the NSA/CIA/GCHQ/FBI/DHS/Any and all other groups and organizations spying on the people illegally was behind the move by Apple and Google. Because of the actions of unscrupulous dolts in the Intelligence and law enforcement who wanted and got unfettered access to every communication source in the world, and somehow still failed to prevent a single terrorist attack, people got pissed and wanted their right to privacy.
I've mentioned before, and this should give you an idea that certain things ring bells in my mind. In 1988 I was working as a Security Guard. I took an eight hour class to get my baton permit, and the resulting pay increase. During the class I was told that if I ever used the baton, that I should tell witnesses that the person I struck with the billy club, was a child molester. Nothing so disgusts people as that, nothing has such a visceral hatred as those words. So any time I hear that if we don't do something to give the Police some outrageous authority or the Pedophiles will get away with it, I am naturally doubtful. Because I was told to lie by the police, and use the most horrid crime imaginable to justify any use of my nightstick on another person. I naturally doubt that there is much if any truth to the knee jerk claim that this will enable pedophiles, or that will help the criminals.
I remain supportive of Apple and Google in their fight for privacy. If the police want to be trusted with an authority, or a power, they have to stop abusing it, and there is little doubt that the power was abused. Even if you wanted to use the Jesuit argument that the ends justify the means, the end is that the broad surveillance powers did not prevent one single terrorist incident.
I stand by the Blackstone formulation. It is better that ten guilty men go free, than one innocent man suffer.
For the law enforcement types. It's better that a thousand innocent suffer, than one guilty go free.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)It's the patriotic thing to do.
Bryant
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)They use Facebook.
Granted, it's the Onion, but like all great humor, there's some truth to it.
riqster
(13,986 posts)hueymahl
(2,495 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And anybody anywhere who actually is a little ticked about being spied on by the Us intelligence community.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Damn them.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,834 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Thank you Mr Clinton for CALEA.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I knew this would be their response.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Anytime that computer privacy is raised as an issue, the police trot out the Pedophile" card. Again, like the cop who taught me the night stick course, it creates an instant visceral hatred towards anyone who is accused of it. It is the mother of all trump cards. The cop told us that this would modify the testimony of the witness's even if no such charge was ever lain against the suspect.
As an example. Unaltered. "They beat that man with sticks for no reason."
Altered by Pedophile image. "He kept fighting them as they tried to catch him."
That is just about verbatim to what the cop told me all those years ago. I learned in that class. I learned to doubt anything that the police ever told me. Because it might be something just to evoke an emotional response.
It's obviously a common routine trick, since the director of the FBI is now whipping it out and using it as a cudgel to shake at Apple and Google. How dare you make it impossible to access the phones, do you want to enable pedophiles?
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)I think not. What a bunch of assholes for complaining about making them do their job correctly.
dickthegrouch
(3,173 posts)They have a real problem with enabling unconstitutional searches merely because they could. And I applaud them for their stand
After all, if you have nothing to worry about, you, as the phone owner, will just give the cops your passwords won't you? Why would apple or google ever need to get involved?
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Just for the evening readers.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)just because this irritates me to no end.