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Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:29 AM Sep 2014

FBI probing past of recently fired Oklahoma man who beheaded woman

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html

The idea that a man who's been trying to convert others to Islam ends up beheading someone is alarming enough, but perhaps even more given what has been happening in the Middle East.

The Islamist extremist group ISIS has made a name for its itself using such tactics, going so far as to record the beheadings of American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff as well as British aid worker David Haines.

And they've threatened more to come, especially if the United States and its allies continue to launch airstrikes at the group in Iraq and Syria. This has spurred concerns that ISIS sympathizers may similarly lash out against innocents in the West.
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FBI probing past of recently fired Oklahoma man who beheaded woman (Original Post) Rhinodawg Sep 2014 OP
sheeeesh Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #1
IMO all the terrorist propaganda promoted by the MSM CJCRANE Sep 2014 #2
Exactly......15 beheaded in Taliban offensive in Afghanistan, official says Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #3
It's like copycat killings. Some unstable people may be affected by publicity. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #5
Shit...does that mean we gotta go bomb the Taliban again? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #8
perhaps it was a salute to our allies the headrolling Saudiss? elehhhhna Sep 2014 #4
Denial much?! maced666 Sep 2014 #7
Not really. There is a cause CJCRANE Sep 2014 #14
More weaving of the actions of one insane man by the mass media to whip up fear...CNN must Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #6
Agree the MSM is taking advantage but here's his facebook page: flamingdem Sep 2014 #9
Thats quite a <<gulp>> facebook page. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #10
Watched Rachel the other night and if I am not mistaken the ISIS called on supporters in all nations jwirr Sep 2014 #11
If thats true, then thats the first ISIL beheading in the US. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #12
Yes, and on the same program she was showing a beheading in some other country - Australia I think. jwirr Sep 2014 #13
The interesting thing is that CJCRANE Sep 2014 #15
Yes, if followers of ISIS or other people did not hear it so openly maybe they would jwirr Sep 2014 #16
America, Britain and Australia are what I call the "Murdoch countires": CJCRANE Sep 2014 #17
They uncovered and stopped a plot SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2014 #18
I agree. ISIS has declared war on the world. This does not mean we have to run in fear but it does jwirr Sep 2014 #19
Agree SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2014 #20
Especially since they have made a few direct threats toward us. jwirr Sep 2014 #21
There was an elderly women in the UK that met the same fate a couple of weeks ago. CentralMass Sep 2014 #26
Best part.. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #27
ooooooooooga booooooooga ? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #22
Okay, so he may have been influenced by Daesh, sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #23
+1000000 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2014 #24
Very good point. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #25

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. IMO all the terrorist propaganda promoted by the MSM
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:37 AM
Sep 2014

will have an effect on one or two unstable people.

But I think there is also a hypnosis element, perhaps through videos on social media, that may affect impressionable people and literally brainwash them.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
5. It's like copycat killings. Some unstable people may be affected by publicity.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 09:15 AM
Sep 2014

I'm talking about the MSM propaganda on people in the West.

I don't know why the jihadis do it but again I think it has something to do with how they are radicalized. One technique was to show them videos of atrocities carried out by the west to make them angry, demonize westerners and ultimately dehumanize the enemy.

By popularizing atrocity videos the MSM could be accused of doing the same thing to us. IMO the sensationalism is irresponsible.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
7. Denial much?!
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:14 AM
Sep 2014

Obviously heads rolling across the floor aren't getting your attention. Nice perfect fantasy world life, say hi to the flying goats for me!

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
14. Not really. There is a cause
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:46 AM
Sep 2014

which is either a copycat killing by someone unstable or exposure to jihadi propaganda which has made someone mentally unstable.

These people who become jihadis usually undergo indoctrination as I mentioned before.

Talking about the cause of something is not denying it happened or excusing it.

For example, whenever there's a mass shooting it can be by someone who is mentally unstable or for personal, religious or political reasons.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. More weaving of the actions of one insane man by the mass media to whip up fear...CNN must
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 09:47 AM
Sep 2014

be desperate, they even played The Terror Mall film again....aiding and abetting terrorism is what the major media are doing....to sell war the major media and ISIS are allies.

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
9. Agree the MSM is taking advantage but here's his facebook page:
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:48 AM
Sep 2014
https://www.facebook.com/alton.threadgill

He does have himself giving the Isis salute with the index finger up and he is portrayed with the mosque members who denied knowing him.

Looks like he may have been inspired by Isis but it was triggered by a workplace event so the connection cannot be made much as it would sell newspapers.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Watched Rachel the other night and if I am not mistaken the ISIS called on supporters in all nations
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:04 AM
Sep 2014

to find someone to behead as a lesson to their enemies. Now we find out this man is trying to convert others to Islam. But what type of Islam? This is no doubt why they are giving it further investigation.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. Yes, and on the same program she was showing a beheading in some other country - Australia I think.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:11 AM
Sep 2014

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
15. The interesting thing is that
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014

the jihadi propaganda has been openly all over social media for years and allowed to proliferate.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
16. Yes, if followers of ISIS or other people did not hear it so openly maybe they would
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:57 AM
Sep 2014

not be moved to obey the calling. This is a different time - ISIS is more anti world than any group I have seen.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
17. America, Britain and Australia are what I call the "Murdoch countires":
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

Countries where Rupert Murdoch's News Corp has a big presence, neocons have a strong influence and islamic extremism is politically advantageous for RW and conservative parties.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
18. They uncovered and stopped a plot
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:08 PM
Sep 2014

in Australia to pull someone off the street in two cities (Sydney & Canberra, perhaps), video their beheading and then release the video.

This guy may have been inspired by ISIS to a degree, but it looks like it was being fired that was the real trigger.

If/when ISIS decides to start the beheadings here, I believe it will be like the plot discovered in Australia. Someone will disappear on their way home from work or school or shopping, and a few days later, a video will surface of the beheading.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. I agree. ISIS has declared war on the world. This does not mean we have to run in fear but it does
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:13 PM
Sep 2014

mean that we take their threat seriously.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
20. Agree
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:16 PM
Sep 2014

The likelihood of being pulled off the street and beheaded in an empty warehouse is infinitesimally small. But I have no doubt whatsoever that someone will lose even with those odds, and that it will happen here.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
27. Best part..
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 03:20 PM
Sep 2014

"Whilst it is too early to speculate on what the motive behind this attack was I am confident, based on the information currently available to me, that it is not terrorist related."


Yeah sure...and 9/11 wasn't either.


ooooooooga booooooga ?








sarcasm

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
23. Okay, so he may have been influenced by Daesh,
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:43 PM
Sep 2014

but has it occurred to any one that as a former felon he could not obtain a gun? Or at least not very easily.

As a matter of fact we can be grateful for that alone.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
25. Very good point.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:49 PM
Sep 2014

ISIL called for a beheading and it appears they got one.


To quote someone on the internet....who implies this could NEVER happen in the US

"Terra, Terra, Terra"



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