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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTwo new conspiracy theories direct from my Bible Believing Baptist
friends. They amaze me.
1. "They" are building guillotines all over the United States.
2. "They" will declare martial law within the year using the ebola crisis as an excuse.
I would like to know where all those guillotines are so I can go see one. But no one ever knows the specifics on this stuff. It is always very vague.
They just scare themselves silly.
brewens
(13,588 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Are they expecting massive beheadings by FEMA? I get so confused.
And FEMA is also building concentration camps. I have a friend who is out on a disaster response right now. She said they hear that all the time. As if FEMA could ever get organized enough to pull something like that off.
librechik
(30,674 posts)and offending the liberal left with their tender sensitivities. So Obama has directed all the governors (over whom he has dictatorial control) to start working on guillotines, because when he goes looking for guns, there's going to be a lot of gun-owning Christians
headed to death row for possession, and he wants the executions to be super efficient. Like the Jews in Nazi Germany. And cuz Obama is a Muslim, so beheadings will replace the good ol American lethal drugs.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)When I ask where they are hearing these amazing things they say they heard on the radio. I don't know who the current favorites are. I think these people are actually further to the right than Rush. Maybe it's that really way out Randy Jones (is that right the right name?)
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)ever gets it right.
Not to worry, the guillotines will be made behind schedule, and have a flaw that chops the head off the guillotine operator having the intended victim staring in bewilderment at what just happened.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Sometimes I think my head starts spinning around on my neck when I hear these things.
Funny thing is that I like these people a lot. I just never, ever bring up anything political or religious because it makes me crazy.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)I like them too.
I'm one of the UFO believers, so I really shouldn't be laughing at them when I'm in the same boat being laughed at.
All the same, the silliness is harmless...
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Look at Kansas. It's OK until they get a majority and then there are big problems. And we have our share here in the Missouri government, too.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I hate to think what we'll end up with after the elections next month. "Hey, they've ruined the state for everybody but corporations and millionaires, let's give 'em four more years!"
Volaris
(10,271 posts)This whole damned state is deep blood RED.
It sud here most days lol
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Seriously, 9/10 of the weird shit fundies do that makes no other sense comes from watching these in youth group when they were younger. They're all on YouTube, if you ever want to understand why fundies have anxieties about such seemingly random stuff this would explain why.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in front of that "charging bull" statue on Wall $treet. Then test it out a few dozen times. Gotta make sure it works, ya know!
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)100% correct but it nice.
Gullibility breeds gullibility.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"it's not much of a stretch to believe other fairy tales..."
Like national borders.
rurallib
(62,416 posts)I would be very curious how your BBB would answer that. For surely "they" would know that the BBB knows who "they" are and that "they" will come and get him or her.
Be afwaid, be vewy afwaid.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Who's "they"?
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)I'm not sure who "they" is. Obama is the leader of the whole darkside, I think. But I'm not sure who his minions that are going to put all this in place are.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Her dismissal as security director was just a ploy to get her started on this new challenge. Obama has put all his faith in her.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Because liberals are so bad, and hate Jeebus so much, don't cha know.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)it's easy to get depressed, and then, out of the blue, something comes to make me smile again.
Thanks for the Baptist point of view. I can't wipe the grin off my face.....
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)These are BBB and they are way out there. The really scary thing is that they home school all of their kids.
You know what's funny? I'm here at the library completely surrounded by Mormon Missionaries. They come in every morning to use the computers. I like the Mormon Missionaries. I went to HS and U of U in Salt Lake and these guys remind me of my highschool friends who were all Mormon.
librechik
(30,674 posts)They fill her head with all kinds of BS, yet remain really nice people. I'm sure.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)if they went to college it was Oral Roberts University or somewhere like that.
safeinOhio
(32,683 posts)Bet them $1,000, donated to any nonprofit of choice that after one year nothing mentioned will come true. Bet you a buck they drop it quickly.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Not the whole $1,000 to the Dalai Lama but that would be most excellent.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Wow. At least there will be some jobs created out of the guillotine thing.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)That is the most bizarro idea.
The week before last it was that "they" have opened the borders to everybody and fixed the legislation somehow so that it would always be permanent.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)One guy with Ebola in the country is a "crisis"???
It's been long enough now that somebody in the family he was staying with should begin showing symptoms. In fact, 12 days after exposure and four people living in close quarters, it's looking like this has been contained to the single infection!
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)who believe that all the world's paranoids are organized into a conspiracy against THEM.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Never heard anything close to that. All the crazies think that the President is going to declare martial law. Some swore Bush was going to.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sissyk
(12,665 posts)It is because they are seriously nuts. Do you have a bunch of those friends?
politicat
(9,808 posts)that is all about spilling blood??? The logic fail is so strong with this...
OTOH... I would pay to see a working guillotine shred a head of cabbage. But I have a weird fascination with the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars and the aftermath.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)for, uh, handier manageability, I guess? historically Ford and Rockefeller were for the Pill, but Reagan and Bush kiboshed any international attention to demographics (and that was with the Third World starting to ask for help on the issue after three openly natalist decades)
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)my plan centers on education for girls (with emphasis on technology and science), improving living conditions worldwide by heavily taxing conspicuous consumption, including so-called religious ones, and making basic health care - including birth control - available to all. Guillotines are too low capacity - not to mention messy.
politicat
(9,808 posts)And it still makes no sense to go retail execution on USians -- there aren't that many of us, we're technologically advanced, and already have the low birth rate that would be the goal.
It's the taxing of the poor widdle richies, the education of the wimminz and the slutty-slut-slut pills that are the problems there, I think.
politicat
(9,808 posts)So... yes, the carrying capacity is 1 billion is a valid environmental theory (I happen to think the theory is incorrect, but yeah, whatever, unless of course the Peter Cline 14 theory is correct, and once we reached 1 billion people, we were vulnerable to Cthulu type interstellar super-predators, but that one is so far fetched...) but the basis of that theory is that the 1 billion would be living at European/USian standards of living. The carrying capacity of the planet at lower standards of living is higher.
So why destroy part of the relatively minor 300 million people who are already comfortable with the technology and means of production of the higher standard of living? Europe and the US actually get things like low birth rates because we have a functional expectation of low infant mortality and a higher degree of a social safety net, so we don't look on reproduction as long-term security. (Not that USians have a great track record on low infant mortality, contraception and social safety nets, but we have the functional understanding of the concept.) It will take many years to properly indoctrinate a culture that believes a dozen children is a good start to maintain the low population. It will take no time at all to reinforce already present beliefs. (Though having the low population is ultimately stupid for the rich "they" if they want to remain rich. That's econ 101 -- if demand drops, the over supply becomes waste and the value ceases to exist. "They" need consumers for their Ponzi scheme to keep working.)
As awful as this is to think, and as much as I want to make clear that I have absolutely zero advocacy for this at all, if the point is to drop the planet's population to 1 billion very rapidly, the worst way to do so is to behead a bunch of USians. For one, it's slow, retail extermination, like squishing each ant marching into my kitchen individually with a chopstick. (Better to pull out the boric acid and get it over with.) Sadly, large bombs in densely crowded cities are more effective and faster. They don't even have to be nuclear bombs (since that would be bad for the 1 billion survivors). If it's come down to Lifeboat Planet Earth and "they" are in charge of picking who gets to stay dry and who has to play with the sharks, "they" are going to pick those they consider most productive -- the Midwestern farmer with 500 acres of corn is going to beat out the Indian farmer on 2 acres of okra, and the midtown Manhattan hedge fund manager. The former is subsistence and thus is low on the utilitarian greatest good scale; the latter is a parasite who contributes nothing to absolute survival.
Not to mention the absolute disposal problem. There is no way for 1 billion people to effectively bury, burn or otherwise dispose of 6 billion bodies. Even over a decade, the survivors would be so exhausted and traumatized that the plan would end in actual revolution against the "They" long before it hit even 1/10th of its goal.
Dammit, conspiracy theorists. Think it out. If they're creative enough to come up with this, they should at least have the sense to poke a few holes in their own dearly beloved intellectual atrocities. It's all fear and no thinking. It makes me wonder if there is not actually a virus that punches the amygdala into anxiety reactions on no stimulus (rather like toxoplasmosis does with other brain structures) that has somehow gone endemic.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)greed without an ideology only takes you so far: even the ultimate "comic-book villain," the Antichrist, would have more identifiable motives than "just end it all"--He could be a nihilist, pathetically petty against all existence, or just rage against the Heavens so hard He becomes more (less?) than mortal
I do doubt it's the amygdala alone--it also handles memory consolidation, binge drinking, social phobia, OCD, emotional learning, face recognition, and, uh, the ability to resist putting things in your mouth: neural architecture's so fun
politicat
(9,808 posts)It could be that my peers and I are just getting better at catching specific issues rather than issuing the non-specific catch-all dxes, but conspiracy type delusions are up everywhere. They vary by local culture, which has been one of the flaws in catching the rising trend, but they all carry similarities in specific classes of delusions. Xenophobia, convictions of persecution, distrust of authority figures or neutral information, tightening or limiting of social networks, over-reliance on emotional reaction over cognition, and internal perpetuation of core delusion. Anxieties of all sorts are elevated, too, but anxieties are rarely so uniform in class presentation. The details change; the functions don't.
The few cases who have agreed to be studied/treated have responded positively to treatments for OCD -- usually a combination of NDRIs, anxiolytics and either CBT or DBT. The limiting of social networks and distrusts are the pointers towards emotional regulation; reaction vs cognition says the frontal lobes are either understimuated or the midbrain is overstimulated. Their fMRIs all show significant density and activity in the amygdala versus control, though that is absolutely a chicken-egg conundrum -- is an overstimuated amygdala the result of the specific anxiety, or producing it? Could go either way.
The reason I think viral/bacterial is that it's both wide-spread, and consistent. Distribution doesn't look like organic brain disease or even allergies, it looks like an influenza map. If it was just the result of the Alex Jones' of the world having a big microphone, it would be more common in places with those radio stations and in places with high quality internet access (because streaming/podcast downloading require access and tech). But that doesn't seem to be the case -- there doesn't seem to be a distribution related correlation. It could be epigenetic or an actual memetic disorder, not that we have any idea how to either dx or treat that latter, but infectious seems worth pursuit.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)You'd think if "they" were planning to impose martial law and start chopping Christians in half just for GP, they'd have gotten around to it by now. And y'know, I can think of a few Christians I wouldn't mind seeing chopped in half, starting with that worthless fuck Todd Kincannon.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)That seems to be everyfone's biggest fear around here.
I guess they will behead all the gunowners.! The logic is a little twisted.
Packerowner740
(676 posts)I don't see any links?
KinMd
(966 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Not the idea but at least i can see where it came from.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)That will get beheaded and go to heaven. Well, at least i won't have to worry about that any more.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Perhaps I will go to a Southern Baptist service and raise some hell.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Baptists really only care about college football.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)irrefutable information/evidence is presented. I really think more and more it is organic behavior and not learned, it is how their brains function, from primitive areas, thoughts and emotions.
There is really no hope for them, they are lost in a world of delusions, but able to function enough in society to survive and some to do very well. What is very sad are those they condition to believe as they, individuals raised in this culture of delusions and conspiracy beliefs.
What has stuck me more and more over the years is how clearly F'ed up some are that walk the earth. At one time I had thought we were evolving as a species, but probably as a result to superior communications today, it is quite evident some are stuck way behind in worlds of delusions and faulty logic.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bible didn't say much about martial law, well, not apart from Roman centurions, or guillotines.
Ever ask where they heard this stuff or what evidence they have for it?
ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)And btw, if the bible is the literal word of god, shouldn't the guy's name ACTUALLY BE MABUS?