Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:19 AM Oct 2014

Two new conspiracy theories direct from my Bible Believing Baptist

friends. They amaze me.

1. "They" are building guillotines all over the United States.

2. "They" will declare martial law within the year using the ebola crisis as an excuse.

I would like to know where all those guillotines are so I can go see one. But no one ever knows the specifics on this stuff. It is always very vague.

They just scare themselves silly.

53 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Two new conspiracy theories direct from my Bible Believing Baptist (Original Post) leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 OP
Guillotines? I suppose I could donate some lumber. Who do I contact? n/t brewens Oct 2014 #1
Yea. Where did that come from? leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #2
see, executions, which are blessed of God, have been going bad librechik Oct 2014 #4
That works for me. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #6
But nobody Obama selects to get the job done fadedrose Oct 2014 #9
They can't let the Antichrist ever be right. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #12
When I catch a bit of "these people" on tv fadedrose Oct 2014 #16
Not so harmless sometimes. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #17
Yeah, we're currently being "governed" by the idiots here in NC. ladyVet Oct 2014 #25
indeed. outside St Louis and KC with Columbia in between Volaris Oct 2014 #44
Probably it comes from this series of movies. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #46
They should erect the first guillotine hifiguy Oct 2014 #27
If you believe in fairy tiles, it's not much of a stretch to believe other fairy tales. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #3
Hey that's not nice NightWatcher Oct 2014 #5
Like national borders. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #19
did you ask who "they" are? rurallib Oct 2014 #7
That's what I was wondering. Brigid Oct 2014 #10
Do they believe in a shadow government of some kind? leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #13
Julia Pierson fadedrose Oct 2014 #18
Them bad old libruls that kiss Obama's Muslin feet, that's who! ladyVet Oct 2014 #26
In these days of troubles fadedrose Oct 2014 #8
These aren't just any Baptists. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #14
my mom belongs to one of those covens I mean churches librechik Oct 2014 #20
Most of these people have very little education or leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #22
Try this safeinOhio Oct 2014 #11
I thought of that myself. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #15
Um... shenmue Oct 2014 #21
I just couldn't believe that one. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #23
Ebola crisis??? MohRokTah Oct 2014 #24
my brother was off on that yesterday. he saw some show. nt leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #30
These are the kind of hammerheads hifiguy Oct 2014 #28
I seem to know some more sane Baptists. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #29
Me too. Lots who think liberals are intrinsically clueless, but that's about it for crazy. :) Hortensis Oct 2014 #41
It's not because they are bible believing baptist. Sissyk Oct 2014 #31
If ebola is transmitted via blood, then why the hell would "they" want to use a method of execution politicat Oct 2014 #32
they (and Alex Jones) say the Plan is to cut humanity down to 1 billion MisterP Oct 2014 #33
I'd go for 3-4 billion myself, but Retrograde Oct 2014 #34
That's the closest to sensible plan there is; it will take several generations. politicat Oct 2014 #37
um... And that makes sense how? politicat Oct 2014 #35
they never do think out what They always want--power and money? sure, but boundless MisterP Oct 2014 #38
Three of those are why I'm thinking amygdala, actually, and why viral/bacterial. politicat Oct 2014 #40
"They" have been planning to do this ever since Clinton took office jmowreader Oct 2014 #36
i think lthis is tied to taking everyone's guns away.t. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #39
Where are "they" saying this? Packerowner740 Oct 2014 #42
Why use a guillotine when ebola will do the job just as well KinMd Oct 2014 #43
The guillotines one is not new, it's been recycled for years now ck4829 Oct 2014 #45
hey, thanks. now this makes more sense. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #48
so it's the true believers leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #49
Why is it always Baptists? Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #47
Sounds more like the Apostolics than Baptist. ileus Oct 2014 #50
They never evolve, but rather cling to dark conspiracy theories no matter what RKP5637 Oct 2014 #51
Sounds more like your Republican-believing friends than your Bible-believing friends. merrily Oct 2014 #52
Antichrist Stuff? ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #53

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
2. Yea. Where did that come from?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:24 AM
Oct 2014

Are they expecting massive beheadings by FEMA? I get so confused.

And FEMA is also building concentration camps. I have a friend who is out on a disaster response right now. She said they hear that all the time. As if FEMA could ever get organized enough to pull something like that off.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
4. see, executions, which are blessed of God, have been going bad
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:30 AM
Oct 2014

and offending the liberal left with their tender sensitivities. So Obama has directed all the governors (over whom he has dictatorial control) to start working on guillotines, because when he goes looking for guns, there's going to be a lot of gun-owning Christians
headed to death row for possession, and he wants the executions to be super efficient. Like the Jews in Nazi Germany. And cuz Obama is a Muslim, so beheadings will replace the good ol American lethal drugs.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
6. That works for me.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:40 AM
Oct 2014

When I ask where they are hearing these amazing things they say they heard on the radio. I don't know who the current favorites are. I think these people are actually further to the right than Rush. Maybe it's that really way out Randy Jones (is that right the right name?)

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
9. But nobody Obama selects to get the job done
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:48 AM
Oct 2014

ever gets it right.

Not to worry, the guillotines will be made behind schedule, and have a flaw that chops the head off the guillotine operator having the intended victim staring in bewilderment at what just happened.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
12. They can't let the Antichrist ever be right.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:51 AM
Oct 2014

Sometimes I think my head starts spinning around on my neck when I hear these things.

Funny thing is that I like these people a lot. I just never, ever bring up anything political or religious because it makes me crazy.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
16. When I catch a bit of "these people" on tv
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:59 AM
Oct 2014

I like them too.

I'm one of the UFO believers, so I really shouldn't be laughing at them when I'm in the same boat being laughed at.


All the same, the silliness is harmless...

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
17. Not so harmless sometimes.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:01 AM
Oct 2014

Look at Kansas. It's OK until they get a majority and then there are big problems. And we have our share here in the Missouri government, too.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
25. Yeah, we're currently being "governed" by the idiots here in NC.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

I hate to think what we'll end up with after the elections next month. "Hey, they've ruined the state for everybody but corporations and millionaires, let's give 'em four more years!"

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
44. indeed. outside St Louis and KC with Columbia in between
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:53 PM
Oct 2014

This whole damned state is deep blood RED.
It sud here most days lol

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
46. Probably it comes from this series of movies.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:48 PM
Oct 2014


Seriously, 9/10 of the weird shit fundies do that makes no other sense comes from watching these in youth group when they were younger. They're all on YouTube, if you ever want to understand why fundies have anxieties about such seemingly random stuff this would explain why.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
27. They should erect the first guillotine
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:14 PM
Oct 2014

in front of that "charging bull" statue on Wall $treet. Then test it out a few dozen times. Gotta make sure it works, ya know!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Like national borders.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:11 AM
Oct 2014

"it's not much of a stretch to believe other fairy tales..."

Like national borders.

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
7. did you ask who "they" are?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:43 AM
Oct 2014

I would be very curious how your BBB would answer that. For surely "they" would know that the BBB knows who "they" are and that "they" will come and get him or her.
Be afwaid, be vewy afwaid.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
13. Do they believe in a shadow government of some kind?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:53 AM
Oct 2014

I'm not sure who "they" is. Obama is the leader of the whole darkside, I think. But I'm not sure who his minions that are going to put all this in place are.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
18. Julia Pierson
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:02 AM
Oct 2014

Her dismissal as security director was just a ploy to get her started on this new challenge. Obama has put all his faith in her.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
26. Them bad old libruls that kiss Obama's Muslin feet, that's who!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:49 AM
Oct 2014

Because liberals are so bad, and hate Jeebus so much, don't cha know.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
8. In these days of troubles
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:45 AM
Oct 2014

it's easy to get depressed, and then, out of the blue, something comes to make me smile again.

Thanks for the Baptist point of view. I can't wipe the grin off my face.....

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
14. These aren't just any Baptists.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:54 AM
Oct 2014

These are BBB and they are way out there. The really scary thing is that they home school all of their kids.

You know what's funny? I'm here at the library completely surrounded by Mormon Missionaries. They come in every morning to use the computers. I like the Mormon Missionaries. I went to HS and U of U in Salt Lake and these guys remind me of my highschool friends who were all Mormon.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
20. my mom belongs to one of those covens I mean churches
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:13 AM
Oct 2014

They fill her head with all kinds of BS, yet remain really nice people. I'm sure.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
22. Most of these people have very little education or
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:36 AM
Oct 2014

if they went to college it was Oral Roberts University or somewhere like that.

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
11. Try this
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:51 AM
Oct 2014

Bet them $1,000, donated to any nonprofit of choice that after one year nothing mentioned will come true. Bet you a buck they drop it quickly.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
23. I just couldn't believe that one.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:38 AM
Oct 2014

That is the most bizarro idea.

The week before last it was that "they" have opened the borders to everybody and fixed the legislation somehow so that it would always be permanent.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
24. Ebola crisis???
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:39 AM
Oct 2014

One guy with Ebola in the country is a "crisis"???

It's been long enough now that somebody in the family he was staying with should begin showing symptoms. In fact, 12 days after exposure and four people living in close quarters, it's looking like this has been contained to the single infection!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. These are the kind of hammerheads
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:15 PM
Oct 2014

who believe that all the world's paranoids are organized into a conspiracy against THEM.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. I seem to know some more sane Baptists.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:16 PM
Oct 2014

Never heard anything close to that. All the crazies think that the President is going to declare martial law. Some swore Bush was going to.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
31. It's not because they are bible believing baptist.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:40 PM
Oct 2014

It is because they are seriously nuts. Do you have a bunch of those friends?

politicat

(9,808 posts)
32. If ebola is transmitted via blood, then why the hell would "they" want to use a method of execution
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:40 PM
Oct 2014

that is all about spilling blood??? The logic fail is so strong with this...

OTOH... I would pay to see a working guillotine shred a head of cabbage. But I have a weird fascination with the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars and the aftermath.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
33. they (and Alex Jones) say the Plan is to cut humanity down to 1 billion
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:31 PM
Oct 2014

for, uh, handier manageability, I guess? historically Ford and Rockefeller were for the Pill, but Reagan and Bush kiboshed any international attention to demographics (and that was with the Third World starting to ask for help on the issue after three openly natalist decades)

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
34. I'd go for 3-4 billion myself, but
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:24 PM
Oct 2014

my plan centers on education for girls (with emphasis on technology and science), improving living conditions worldwide by heavily taxing conspicuous consumption, including so-called religious ones, and making basic health care - including birth control - available to all. Guillotines are too low capacity - not to mention messy.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
37. That's the closest to sensible plan there is; it will take several generations.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:38 PM
Oct 2014

And it still makes no sense to go retail execution on USians -- there aren't that many of us, we're technologically advanced, and already have the low birth rate that would be the goal.

It's the taxing of the poor widdle richies, the education of the wimminz and the slutty-slut-slut pills that are the problems there, I think.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
35. um... And that makes sense how?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:35 PM
Oct 2014

So... yes, the carrying capacity is 1 billion is a valid environmental theory (I happen to think the theory is incorrect, but yeah, whatever, unless of course the Peter Cline 14 theory is correct, and once we reached 1 billion people, we were vulnerable to Cthulu type interstellar super-predators, but that one is so far fetched...) but the basis of that theory is that the 1 billion would be living at European/USian standards of living. The carrying capacity of the planet at lower standards of living is higher.

So why destroy part of the relatively minor 300 million people who are already comfortable with the technology and means of production of the higher standard of living? Europe and the US actually get things like low birth rates because we have a functional expectation of low infant mortality and a higher degree of a social safety net, so we don't look on reproduction as long-term security. (Not that USians have a great track record on low infant mortality, contraception and social safety nets, but we have the functional understanding of the concept.) It will take many years to properly indoctrinate a culture that believes a dozen children is a good start to maintain the low population. It will take no time at all to reinforce already present beliefs. (Though having the low population is ultimately stupid for the rich "they" if they want to remain rich. That's econ 101 -- if demand drops, the over supply becomes waste and the value ceases to exist. "They" need consumers for their Ponzi scheme to keep working.)

As awful as this is to think, and as much as I want to make clear that I have absolutely zero advocacy for this at all, if the point is to drop the planet's population to 1 billion very rapidly, the worst way to do so is to behead a bunch of USians. For one, it's slow, retail extermination, like squishing each ant marching into my kitchen individually with a chopstick. (Better to pull out the boric acid and get it over with.) Sadly, large bombs in densely crowded cities are more effective and faster. They don't even have to be nuclear bombs (since that would be bad for the 1 billion survivors). If it's come down to Lifeboat Planet Earth and "they" are in charge of picking who gets to stay dry and who has to play with the sharks, "they" are going to pick those they consider most productive -- the Midwestern farmer with 500 acres of corn is going to beat out the Indian farmer on 2 acres of okra, and the midtown Manhattan hedge fund manager. The former is subsistence and thus is low on the utilitarian greatest good scale; the latter is a parasite who contributes nothing to absolute survival.

Not to mention the absolute disposal problem. There is no way for 1 billion people to effectively bury, burn or otherwise dispose of 6 billion bodies. Even over a decade, the survivors would be so exhausted and traumatized that the plan would end in actual revolution against the "They" long before it hit even 1/10th of its goal.

Dammit, conspiracy theorists. Think it out. If they're creative enough to come up with this, they should at least have the sense to poke a few holes in their own dearly beloved intellectual atrocities. It's all fear and no thinking. It makes me wonder if there is not actually a virus that punches the amygdala into anxiety reactions on no stimulus (rather like toxoplasmosis does with other brain structures) that has somehow gone endemic.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
38. they never do think out what They always want--power and money? sure, but boundless
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:52 PM
Oct 2014

greed without an ideology only takes you so far: even the ultimate "comic-book villain," the Antichrist, would have more identifiable motives than "just end it all"--He could be a nihilist, pathetically petty against all existence, or just rage against the Heavens so hard He becomes more (less?) than mortal

I do doubt it's the amygdala alone--it also handles memory consolidation, binge drinking, social phobia, OCD, emotional learning, face recognition, and, uh, the ability to resist putting things in your mouth: neural architecture's so fun

politicat

(9,808 posts)
40. Three of those are why I'm thinking amygdala, actually, and why viral/bacterial.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:40 PM
Oct 2014

It could be that my peers and I are just getting better at catching specific issues rather than issuing the non-specific catch-all dxes, but conspiracy type delusions are up everywhere. They vary by local culture, which has been one of the flaws in catching the rising trend, but they all carry similarities in specific classes of delusions. Xenophobia, convictions of persecution, distrust of authority figures or neutral information, tightening or limiting of social networks, over-reliance on emotional reaction over cognition, and internal perpetuation of core delusion. Anxieties of all sorts are elevated, too, but anxieties are rarely so uniform in class presentation. The details change; the functions don't.

The few cases who have agreed to be studied/treated have responded positively to treatments for OCD -- usually a combination of NDRIs, anxiolytics and either CBT or DBT. The limiting of social networks and distrusts are the pointers towards emotional regulation; reaction vs cognition says the frontal lobes are either understimuated or the midbrain is overstimulated. Their fMRIs all show significant density and activity in the amygdala versus control, though that is absolutely a chicken-egg conundrum -- is an overstimuated amygdala the result of the specific anxiety, or producing it? Could go either way.

The reason I think viral/bacterial is that it's both wide-spread, and consistent. Distribution doesn't look like organic brain disease or even allergies, it looks like an influenza map. If it was just the result of the Alex Jones' of the world having a big microphone, it would be more common in places with those radio stations and in places with high quality internet access (because streaming/podcast downloading require access and tech). But that doesn't seem to be the case -- there doesn't seem to be a distribution related correlation. It could be epigenetic or an actual memetic disorder, not that we have any idea how to either dx or treat that latter, but infectious seems worth pursuit.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
36. "They" have been planning to do this ever since Clinton took office
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:36 PM
Oct 2014

You'd think if "they" were planning to impose martial law and start chopping Christians in half just for GP, they'd have gotten around to it by now. And y'know, I can think of a few Christians I wouldn't mind seeing chopped in half, starting with that worthless fuck Todd Kincannon.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
39. i think lthis is tied to taking everyone's guns away.t.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:40 PM
Oct 2014

That seems to be everyfone's biggest fear around here.
I guess they will behead all the gunowners.! The logic is a little twisted.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
49. so it's the true believers
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 05:56 AM
Oct 2014

That will get beheaded and go to heaven. Well, at least i won't have to worry about that any more.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
51. They never evolve, but rather cling to dark conspiracy theories no matter what
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 07:18 AM
Oct 2014

irrefutable information/evidence is presented. I really think more and more it is organic behavior and not learned, it is how their brains function, from primitive areas, thoughts and emotions.

There is really no hope for them, they are lost in a world of delusions, but able to function enough in society to survive and some to do very well. What is very sad are those they condition to believe as they, individuals raised in this culture of delusions and conspiracy beliefs.

What has stuck me more and more over the years is how clearly F'ed up some are that walk the earth. At one time I had thought we were evolving as a species, but probably as a result to superior communications today, it is quite evident some are stuck way behind in worlds of delusions and faulty logic.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. Sounds more like your Republican-believing friends than your Bible-believing friends.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:00 AM
Oct 2014

Bible didn't say much about martial law, well, not apart from Roman centurions, or guillotines.

Ever ask where they heard this stuff or what evidence they have for it?

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
53. Antichrist Stuff?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:03 AM
Oct 2014

And btw, if the bible is the literal word of god, shouldn't the guy's name ACTUALLY BE MABUS?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Two new conspiracy theori...