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This Dr. Tom Frieden talks like a combination of Max Headroom and the Jetson's robot Rosie. He answers all questions with platitudes and evasive responses and if you do not believe me, listen to the answers and try to think objectively: what is he saying? What is the answer to the actual question asked? Yes I know, you're going to say that I'm fomenting panic or unnecessary fears among the masses and we can't have that.
No, I am not. I'm looking for a brief period of honesty here. Look, he has been asked by several people including Anderson Cooper if leaving the bags of clothes, sheets, towels, and other items in the apartment was dangerous for the remaining family which had been quarantined inside. "Doctor" said, that once things are bagged, the viruses can't get out. But this is "concerning".
Wait
WTF? This guy excreted particles all over this apartment and these people were forced to stay there for days. I guess that's a really good idea because why not punish the people who were associated with a guy who is gong to be indicted apparently, should he survive, but the Dallas District Attorney, who can indict a dying man but wouldn't dream of indicting people clearly involved in the killing of the President of the USA
oops, did I just mention that again? So sorry
.I know it offends some.
So in this medically superiorly advanced country, our answer to a case of the 21st Century Plague, is to sentence family members to sequestration inside an apartment filled with virulent material for days. Oh
the virus is dead because it's been out of the body for a while? Great
you go in and clean up then without a HazMat suit. No
? Why not? It's safe, isn't it? They said you couldn't possibly get sick from excreted virus after a certain amount of time
an amount they never quantify because they cannot. It varies with the surround, the ambient temperature, and other environmental variables some of which we may not even know about. Maybe it has an extended life when combined with Ranch Dressing.
So now we have a nurse who got sick and is in another country. What could possibly go wrong now? And these are admitted cases in advanced countries. What of cases in countries where people are not coming forward? All of this is predicated upon an honor system. Now THAT is amusing.
And we have them cleaning the apartment with the door open with a child standing a few feet away. There's sterile technique for you. This is a horrorshow unfolding in front of our eyes.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)The guy in normal causal clothes hosing off the sidewalk what what said to be vomit from the victom.
Pics of haz mat guys with their sleeves rolled up for comfort.
After years of working with the police and doctors and hospitals, I can tell you that I have little confidence in anyone addressing any serious problem
in a logical intelligent manner.
Much less come clean in after the fact interview.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)University of Minnesota
CIDRAP Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy
COMMENTARY: Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola
submitted to CIDRAP by the authors, who are national experts on respiratory protection and infectious disease transmission. In May they published a similar commentary on MERS-CoV. Dr Brosseau is a Professor and Dr Jones an Assistant Professor in the School of Public Health, Division of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences, at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
The precautionary principlethat any action designed to reduce risk should not await scientific certaintycompels the use of respiratory protection for a pathogen like Ebola virus that has:
No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities
A high case-fatality rate
Unclear modes of transmission
We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.1
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Max Headroom lol! Great description.
Just too assured, but too evasive.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It's like: "What? Me worry?"
If it is a conspiracy, it sure is following a path of being as much. No one to be held accountable if it gets out of hand and into the wild.
Then again, who could have ever imagined that a disease could take over and kill so many so fast?
I'm sure the health care people will handle this especially once they see there is no profit, only loss, to have Ebola run wild. But like I have learned, lots of people who go to hospitals never go anywhere else.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)It's crazy! Officials, medical professionals, and others have 1000% trust in the CDC's current understanding of the virus. Every time something goes wrong, the infected person is blamed, not the CDC. If the CDC is wrong, or working with outdated information, we're all screwed.