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[Barack_America]

3. Oh Jesus. What has this country become?

Is this just the same damned cop attitudes now armed to the teeth? Or has something changed?

The hostility, the paranoia, the complete disregard for citizens. WTF is going on?

[MohRokTah]

5. Off duty cop who committed the murder is also currently on administrative leave.

This is live feeds from the scene and details could still change.

[riverwalker]

6. watching Livestream

witnesses say the police have not bothered to get statements from them. One told Argus, he was shot 16 times, by off duty plain clothes off duty cop working for Hi-Tec security, while walking up steps to his apartment. Crowd very angry, police won't tell them anything.

[riverwalker]

7. the mother fainted

crowd shouting "STOP killing us!" Keep seeing that all he had was a sandwich, not gun.

[riverwalker]

8. Argus Livestream

http://www.argusnewsnow.com/page/livestreams-from-ferguson/115.html

[morningfog]

9. Great passionate chants.

[MohRokTah]

11. Murdered!

Michael Brown was murdered in cold blood, then the cops covered it up.

This kid was murdered in cold blood. the cops will cover it up.

Yes, MURDERED!

Every last cop in the country is a murderer because they all look the other way and never hold each other accountable.

Murderers all.

[tritsofme]

114. This is an incredibly shameful slander to the vast majority of law enforcement officers

who are faithful public servants. Disgusting comment.

[bravenak]

124. Oh, bullcrap!!

When the "vast majority" start arresting bad cops then you can pull that tired ass line out and dust it off and try it again. Until then, all of the silent cops are just as guilty. They are allowing their fellow officers to run amok.
I find it disgusting when people can't wait to protect cops that murder young black men, but never rush to defend the dead kids. It's a fucked up way to exist, I feel dirty and sick when I read posts from cop apologists who defend men who murder black kids.

[Mr Dixon]

182. good post

Agreed

[LuvLoogie]

128. If the vast majority were decent,

more of the murdering, stealing, lying cops would be jailed or fired. But that doesn't happen does it? I'm sorry, but in all questionable encounters, beatings shooting by police, they will no longer receive the benefit of my doubt.

What is disgusting is that the "good ones" PUNK out and stay quiet.

[MohRokTah]

130. Every last one of them are as guilty as those who pull the trigger.

NONE OF THEM stand against their brothers in blue who are the ones who pull the trigger.

That makes them ALL guilty. Every last damned one of them.

When they stand against the cops that pull the trigger, I'll alter my opinion.

You and I both know, that ain't never gonna happen.

[whistler162]

168. Sounds like a KKK theme....

[Ed Suspicious]

138. The faithful servants should run the miscreants off the force. It's the "good"cops

who are complicit in this shit that make the post you responded to ring so true.

[JackInGreen]

159. That's a lovely load of bullshit

but we're not buying today, please try again next week perhaps someone will be hungry for it then.

[marym625]

173. Really?

"Either way the reality's that it's not gonna stop
Cuz this is what happens when you call the cops"

[Iggo]

194. "Good Cops" are worse than bad cops, because they stand by and do nothing.

When good cops cover for bad cops, there really aren't any good cops, are there.

[morningfog]

12. Go back to your hole.

[MohRokTah]

15. Thank you.

I'll never respect any of the murderer apologists any more.

Cops murder unarmed black teenagers and men on a regular basis.

Denying it does not alter that truth.

And since none of the so-called "good cops" do anything to hold the so-called "bad cops" accouontable, every last one of them is guilty.

[pinboy3niner]

46. 6-1

Good call by the jury.

[MohRokTah]

78. I have a few 4-3 decisions.

I know I've had multiple 7-0's.

[pinboy3niner]

158. I just had a decision on an alert I sent

Jury went 5-2 to hide for an unusual reason I suggested for hiding, outside DU guidance. Sometimes the system works and restores our faith, despite our pessimism.

[Rex]

13. This place is liberal on opinions.

Yes a lot of people here think Brown was gunned down. Murdered.

[Centrist1984]

17. Doesn't mean he was

People around here may "think" that but it doesn't mean he was. The cop's side of the story (if that was the cop's side of the story) is very plausible as well. And there are some holes in the side told by the friend of Michael Brown.

[Rex]

20. They helped the cop flee and hide like he was a wanted criminal.

It was pretty obvious. Actions speak volumes.

[FlatStanley]

118. Actually, the alleged murderer's side of the story

Is contradicted by numerous eyewitness accounts, and audio accounts, and autopsy accounts.

And since we're not impaneled as jurors and are not acting in the role of journalist, we can dispense with the innocent until proven guilty.

Derwood Johnson murdered Michael Brown.

[intaglio]

170. How the frock is the cop's side of the story "plausible"?

Brow was distant, had his hands raised and the kill shot was made whilst he was on the ground. Are you saying that Michael Brown had a gun buried in the roadway and the cop thought that he was in imminent danger? What justifies the initial shot which was from the back according to all witnesses?

Take your bull excrement to somewhere that will be appreciated.

[starroute]

19. There's aren't two sides

Last edited Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:19 AM - Edit history (1)

There's one side with a half-dozen witnesses whose stories all agree -- and then there are a handful of easily refuted lies and a lot of stonewalling.

[Rex]

22. Oh and also, Brown doesn't get to say what happen. He's dead.

Guess that is easily forgotten.

[haele]

31. Do we have a Zombie posting here?

Sigh.
I suppose if DU were around at the time there would have been a lot of people getting an account just to pop up and post "we don't know if Emmett Till's beating death was justified" because he might just have actually "assaulted that poor white woman" when he whistled at her.

Because, y'know, all those young men of color are by potential criminals by default.


BTW, even every good judge knows there are never just "two sides" of any story, even if only two people were involved in the incident. Some people should sit down and watch Rashomon a few times...

Haele

[riverwalker]

14. "Whose street? OUR street"

forcing cops to back up.

[MohRokTah]

16. Cops are fast losing control.

That's a good thing.

[riverwalker]

23. in a huddle

being told to leave now

[morningfog]

24. They need to just get the fuck out.

[MohRokTah]

33. This is escalating fast.

Cops are defiinitely in danger.

And I won't blame the crowd over this. The cops murdered yet another unarmed black teenager.

[arcane1]

38. I think I'm in love with those two women who calmy spoke and stared to that cop

[arcane1]

32. What are the cops standing there for? Is that the crime scene?

[riverwalker]

18. large pool of blood in yard

cops were digging holes (looking for bullet casings?)

[greyl]

21. Firetrucks were called, they're hosing away the victim's blood. nt

[riverwalker]

25. I can feel the anger from here

2000 miles away it is electric. They better leave. ANGER

[Jamastiene]

41. The citizens won't do anything to harm the cops.

I worry about the other way around though. The cops get to do whatever they want and get away with it, because they are in control and have all the power. They are in no danger from the people. It's the people who are in danger from the cops.

[MohRokTah]

26. Cops have effectively declared war on balck people in St. Louis County.

Black people are having nothing to do with their fucked up shit and are showing they WILL fight back!

Getting VERY ugly now!

[LawDeeDah]

27. sorrow

[MohRokTah]

28. "Who do you serve? Who do you Protect?

The cops are completely out of control.

[morningfog]

29. The cops are being run out on the rails.

[MohRokTah]

30. "Shoot now, I fucking dare you!"

"Shoot me now, take that belt off, bitch. I'll beat the white off you you cracker bitch!"

I thought Michael Brown was the straw, the back has been broken and the anger is out for all to see right now.

[MohRokTah]

34. Crowd now chanting "Shoot back, shoot back, shoot back!"

This is getting VERY ugly.

[MohRokTah]

35. "Ya'll don't ive here but your guns do"

I have no sympathy for the cops in this situation.

[sheshe2]

36. Not again, please not again!

What the hell is wrong with the so called peace keepers? They have lost their souls.

Shot?!!? 16 times!

Dear Gawd! I am crying.

[MohRokTah]

37. Cops appear to be leaving. eom

[MohRokTah]

39. Uh oh, live feed went dead, turning back to Twitter...

[marym625]

56. Yeah. scary

[MohRokTah]

40. TPM Report on the murder

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fatal-police-shooting-in-st-louis

Cops say kid had gun, family disputes.

[MohRokTah]

42. Two VERY different accounts

Cops say the murdering cop chased four suspects. Family says dead teenager happend upon the chase in progress and was shot by cop.

[scarystuffyo]

47. They have to recover the gun

If the cops did and it shows powder burns on the mans hands then he probably did fire at the cop.

[MohRokTah]

51. .

Cop lovers always show up when cops murder black men.

[scarystuffyo]

55. We can't lose all perspective because of what happened to M Brown

There are still bad people out there who are Black , White or what ever color

Every cop is not a murderer because he might have to use a gun

[MohRokTah]

57. More eyewitnesses than in Michael Brown case already disputing cop story in this case.

Seriously, you already have more eyewitnesses to the incident who say the cop shot this kid 16 times when all he did was happen upon the police chase in progress.

[scarystuffyo]

68. If that's true then the cop mudered him , no doubt

but for the sake of argument if it shows powder burns on the mans hands and his prints on the gun recovered

then what?

[MohRokTah]

70. It's a lie

You cannot trust ANYBODY in the so-called justice system any more.

Liars and criminals all.

Doesn't matter any way. Cops know, there will be no reports. It's a cop murder.

[intaglio]

171. I have absolutely no doubt a gun will be found unfired.

Somehow no prints will be recovered because they are too smudged. They're called "throwaways" by the police who keep them handy.

[scarystuffyo]

73. The thin blue line

When a good cop says nothing then he becomes just as bad as the cop who did the crime

agree

[Dreamer Tatum]

80. All cops, everywhere? nt

[MohRokTah]

98. All cops, everywhere.

None of them are doing anything to hold the so-called "bad cops" accountable.

That makes them all guilty.

[Cali_Democrat]

104. Conservatives constantly demand that all Muslimns speak out against violence

committed by other Muslims.

Well why aren't all cops in America speaking out against police violence committed by other cops?

Conservative logic.

[pinboy3niner]

58. ALLEGED gun--disputed by witnesses. nt

[scarystuffyo]

69. Like I said this can be proved or disproved by the cops claim that he was fired at

[pinboy3niner]

97. All the more reason not to cite "the gun" as if it's a fact. nt

[notadmblnd]

111. Don't you have some Ebola fear to spread?

[Jamastiene]

43. They get all this militarized equipment, supposedly to fight terrorism,

then turn around and use it on black men, repeatedly. I'm getting sick of cops gunning down unarmed black men and black teenagers.

[MohRokTah]

44. Looks like MANY MORE eyewitnesses than in Michael Brown Case

All are saying the murdered kid was innocent bystander who happened upon a chase in progress by cop who murdered him.

[YoungDemCA]

64. Interesting that the articles that I could find online only cited the cops' side of the story

That the shooting victim was an armed man.

[MohRokTah]

65. Twitter has at least eleven eyewitnesses. Cops are trained to get their lies into media fast. eom

[Adrahil]

180. Let's be clear... 11 who claim to be witnesses.

With the tension in the area, I suspect some will be less than objective. This needs a little calm spread in it before more people get hurt. Let's get the facts before condemning a man.

Having said that, this shit seems to be getting out of hand.... Cops just seem to be shooting black men at the drop of a freakin' hat

[MohRokTah]

45. The cops shut down the live feed as things started getting ugly

I expect casualties. The fix is in on yet another murder of an unarmed black teenager.

[marym625]

61. This is up

http://m.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri?utm_campaign=ustre.am&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1hxt6&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141008200706

[MohRokTah]

63. Three or four live feeds.

Cops can't shut it down.

[marym625]

71. This is getting scary

I just don't trust the cops won't come back and open fire. The protesters are blocking the roads now.

[MohRokTah]

72. They can't now.

Too many live feeds, they cannot shut their murdering down now.

I only wish somebody had the cop murderer on video murdering this kid. Hopefully one of the eyewitnesses got it.

[marym625]

90. evidently there are a few

From what I have gathered

[brooklynite]

48. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports the teenager shot at Police

I'm withholding judgement, given the early nature of this story.

[scarystuffyo]

52. That can be easily proved or disproved

[MohRokTah]

53. More eyewitnesses than in Michael Brown case already dispute that. eom

[marym625]

49. live stream

http://m.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri?utm_campaign=ustre.am&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1hxt6&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141008200706

[Brigid]

74. Aw Shite!

Somebody just said "shoot back"!

[MohRokTah]

85. That's been a consistent chant now.

St. Louis folk are done playing games.

[NutmegYankee]

86. I certainly wouldn't blame them.

They are literally getting murdered out there!

[marym625]

91. They're occasionally chanting that

Too angry and who can blame them?

Frightening shit. This is a fucking war!

[valerief]

50. Holy shit. Now who are these "good guys with guns?" They sure aren't the police. nt

[MohRokTah]

54. "FTP, Fuck The Police" Latest chant. eom

[MohRokTah]

59. The black citizens of St. Louis County have learned.

They have to shut the shit down immediately because the cops WILL cover up the murders.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. With all these recent stories about cop violence

especially against blacks, nobody trusts the cops.

Post racial society my ass. This country targets black people for murder.

Modern day lynching designed to intimidate blacks.

[valerief]

66. ^^^THIS^^^

[2naSalit]

106. ^^THIS^^ too. n/t

[NutmegYankee]

107. +10000 nt

[scarystuffyo]

126. Our cops are pretty good where we live

If you live in the nutmeg state ?

[bravenak]

129. So what?

How does that help? The cops are never good in black neighborhoods.

[scarystuffyo]

139. It doesn't help out there because something is just wrong in that town

but we have black neighborhoods here as well and this shit doesn't happen here with the police.



I don't know what's wrong with that town but something is. They need a new force from the chief on down

[bravenak]

153. They need to have their guns taken away.

This dude was not even on duty!! And he still found a way to shoot a kid sixteen times. Who even knew he was a cop until the kid was dead?

[scarystuffyo]

155. They don't need their guns taken away

They need to get fired , all of them and start fresh

Let the justice dept or the state police handle the law enforcement until they can hire and train a new force.

I don't know if these guys are union or what but at this point I don't care.

They need to go

[SidDithers]

183. ...

Sid

[Feral Child]

191. So do you. EOM.

[marym625]

181. It's not just that town

It's the entire country. And every single cop in the US that remains silent about the injustice is guilty. Every single one

[sheshe2]

112. 16 times 16 times

if this is indeed fact and yes the story is new. Then...

Yet one has to ask. A bullet can kill. 16 shots, really? 16 that is pure unadulterated hatred. You DO NOT SHOOT A MAN 16 TIMES! WTF have we become.

Modern day lynching indeed Cali_Democrat. I am crying here.

[NutmegYankee]

67. How the fuck does a single cop shoot a man 16 times?

A Glock 17 magazine is 17 rounds! A victim will drop to the ground after just a few. The cop must have just stood over him and emptied it into him.

[MohRokTah]

76. Based upon preliminary eyewitness accounts...

You've pretty much described what happened.

[MohRokTah]

75. St. Louis Black Folk are SMART

They're carrying portable police scanners to know what the fuck the cops are up to.

Right now, they know the police are getting ready to go after their impromptu protest.

Things about to get real.

[Brigid]

82. Somebody said something about . . .

44th and Grand.

[csziggy]

93. The shooting was close to Shaw Blvd. and Klemm St.

Shaw runs parallel to I-44. Grand is several blocks to the east of Klemm. It looks as though the marchers went up Shaw to Grand since it's the major road near the neighborhood.

I don't know the area, just looking at Google Maps.

[NutmegYankee]

83. I was about to post the same.

I have to get to bed, but I wish the protestors a safe night. I fear the militarized police are about to go fallujah on them.

[eridani]

135. Looks like they are using social media very effectively too

Someone should write up effective techniques. We may be able to shut this shit down after all.

[applegrove]

77. ****!

[MohRokTah]

79. Cops now on scene to break up impromptu protest.

Chants of "Shoot back" can be heard.

[Tsiyu]

81. Funny. All the murders in that area are at the hands of cops

If those motherfucking dirtbag cops gunned down kids like that around here, they would be put out of their misery pronto and fed to hogs or thrown in a hole. Not trying to be hyperbolic, but mothers and fathers here would not stand for it.

Those thug cops in MO better be glad the people they are killing are not as violent as the cops are. There are few normal people in this world who would blame these beleaguered people for blasting those evil murderers in uniform to kingdom come.

Not advocating this, mind you. Just stating reality. You start killing people's young and you are asking for some shit to come back your way.

I hate this. All of it.

[kath]

84. Oh Jeebus.

[marym625]

87. THIS

[MohRokTah]

88. St. Louis Ploice Cief now on scene.

"We don't negotiate with terrorists" seems to be the theme from the protesters.

[YoungDemCA]

89. Scary shit

The police are not your friends.

[MohRokTah]

92. Protesters are REALLY pissed off

Apparently, the first cops on the scene were all joking and laughing.

[MohRokTah]

94. MORE DETAILS

Witnesses say murdering cop tazed the kid first, before shooting him16 times.

[marym625]

95. COPS ARE OUT WITH RIOT GEAR

[MohRokTah]

96. Cops called 1200 on the scanner

Preparing to move in with the riot gear.

Shit's about to explode.

[sheshe2]

123. As a poster said to me on another thread.

All this needed was another match to be thrown.

It has been thrown and I say Gawd bless the protester's. I fear for them, Moh!

[marym625]

175. You are posting what I, and probably most of us feel

One more murder. More than likely, one more cop gets out of prosecution because of collusion with a sick, twisted, "protect our own" mentality running throughout the government.

This is the entire government, from the top on down, in every State, even at the federal level.

And we cry and we scream and we fight and we die.

[csziggy]

99. Some of the people in the crowd are saying "you can't get arrested if you'e moving"

I guess they didn't hear about the judge's Injunction.

Judge Grants Preliminary Injunction in ACLU’s Five-Second Rule Lawsuit

October 06, 2014

Law enforcement officials can no longer force peaceful protesters in Ferguson to keep moving on sidewalks when they are breaking no law. Federal Judge Catherine Perry granted a preliminary injunction this afternoon in the lawsuit Mustafa Abdullah v. Saint Louis County et al., regarding the “five-second rule.”

In August, law enforcement officers began enforcing a new rule in the area where demonstrators had gathered in Ferguson after the shooting death of Michael Brown. The ACLU of Missouri called it the “five-second rule” because protesters were told they could not remain still for more than five seconds, but law enforcement invoked the rule for many things including standing still for more than five seconds, just standing still, and walking back and forth over hundreds of yards in the protest area. The rule has no statutory or regulatory reference number and has not been released to the public in print.

“The rule of law is essential to our constitutional system of government, and it applies equally to law enforcement officers and to other citizens,” wrote Judge Perry in her ruling.

“Vague rules that are applied in a haphazard fashion tend to increase community tension,” said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU of Missouri. “Judge Perry’s injunction is a huge win for peaceful protesters and those who believe in the rule of law.

http://www.aclu-mo.org/newsviews/2014/10/06/judge-grants-preliminary-injunction-aclus-five-second-rule-l

They may be safer, though - the cops may not have heard about the judge's Injunction either.

[Tsiyu]

100. Interesting development here

I believe a former DUer runs this site ( RaginginMiami?)

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/10/08/pinac-crew-member-charlie-grapski-hospitalized-will-false-accusations-made-threats-twitter/

This guy was forcibly hospitalized over tweets? He was set to fly to Ferguson to get the body cam and other evidence from the Brown shooting.

[Downwinder]

117. We copy N. Korea on prisoner treatment.

No reason not copy the Soviet Union on treatment of dissidents.

But hey, You must be crazy not to agree with the Security State.

[Tsiyu]

137. No doubt, Comrade

The thugs in FLa lied to the guy and then had a SWAT team arrest him for teh crazy.

Very sad that they aren't even trying to hide the corruption.

Land of the Bullshit....the good old US of A

[bravenak]

101. Always.

It never ends.

[Warpy]

102. Oh, no, not again

People are not going to be patient and peaceful forever.

[MohRokTah]

103. "We young, we strong, we marchin' all night long"

I'm an old fat white man, I won't be able to keep up. somebody, please keep updating from the live stream.

[eridani]

149. This old fat white lady would march all night long if she were anywhere near

Just very slowly.

[MohRokTah]

151. I'm about 300 miles away

I'd give it my best shot if I was closer.

[MohRokTah]

105. "We want an indictment, the cops don't like it."

I like the chants.

[marym625]

108. Did your feed just go out?

[MohRokTah]

109. Guy's phone died

He's back up.

[marym625]

113. got it back

Cops are closing the area around them and about to move in with riot gear, I'm sure of it. They keep saying the cops closed this and that street

[MohRokTah]

110. "Give us a white kid in St. Louis who was shot by the police and we will protest there, too

Doesn't happen, does it?"

[Dreamer Tatum]

115. Murder is right. nt

[2naSalit]

116. Watching a couple livestreams

Can't continue as they require more bandwidth than I have access to, BUT a couple things I noticed and am reflecting on...

It's been half a century since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and we still have this kind of crap going on in the mid-south.

I have seen several white-skinned folks marching on those live streams and I think that's a good thing.

Someone upthread said that this is (basically) lynching... I am sure that they are right.

And as the white lady who was in a video yesterday because her partner is black and they were pulled over for no reason said, "I'm sick of this shit."

I lived through being called the "N-word" back in the 50s and 60s and 70s (among other social slights) and I'm pretty sick of this shit too.

[Dreamer Tatum]

122. 16 shots. How the F does a person shoot another 16 times.

Not directed at you. Just depressed that someone saw the need to mutilate another.

[2naSalit]

132. Yeah, that's

totally f'ed up... totally. Gotta be a heavy dose of psycho in that person's world, and in the institutional mindset of that entire police force.


It's time to call in the National Guard to take over for a while until a new police force can be assembled and trained (one with public service and rule of law as it also applies to them) before letting the civilian agency come back into action... and I mean an entirely new personnel no rehires, period.

[scarystuffyo]

156. You don't want soldiers conducting law enforcement in a town on civilians

[tblue37]

174. As the protesters passed a bar along the street, they chanted,

"Out of the bars and into the streets," and a bunch of the kids in the bar joined the march. I think sometimes the white kids, especially the college kids, join such protests because it is an "adventure," cool to say they were there. But I do think a lot of them, even the ones who are at least partly in for the thrill of it, also do recognize that these murders of young black men by cops are really, really wrong, and they do want to protest against them.

I am an old fat white woman with a cane who cannot stand or walk very long, but if I could get there, I would be marching, too, though I would have to take a lot of breaks.

This is lynching, and it serves the same purpose--to intimidate black citizens and keep them "in their place." Back when lynching was done openly and sometimes even advertised in advance so people could pack picnic baskets and take their kids to watch, some white people shared pictures of the murders the way kids used to trade baseball cards. During that period, the police, sheriffs and sheriffs' deputies in the area were not merely complicit in allowing the lynchings to go on, but often actually the leaders and organizers of the murderous events.

All too many LEO departments, especially in the most racist parts of this country, are staffed partly, or even largely, by the same sort of people who gleefully participated in lynchings. I realize that at least some people go into law enforcement because they really want to serve, though even those people are bound to risk being corrupted by the pernicious culture of so many departments. A lot of their corrupt attitude is about abusing their power over any citizen, but they know that if they try it too much with white people, they will get reined in. Of course, if the white people they assault belong to sufficiently marginalized classes--like the mentally handicapped, the very poor, or certain subgroups of teenagers--they will go after them, but only because they assume that those people can be safely abused, without repercussion.

LEOs who cannot go along with the abuses committed by their "brothers in blue" will usually be hassled out of the department, or they will just quit in disgust.

However, an awful lot of people who become LEOs do so because they are attracted to the idea of having power over others, especially if they believe they will be allowed to exercise that power without accountability. I once knew a young man, a fairly heavy drug user with a bully mentality, who wanted to become a DEA agent or a cop. He always said, "I would have a gun and a badge, and access to drugs. The best of all worlds!" He was the sort of person who really could get into positions of responsibility because he could "present" well, despite the nastiness of his real character. If he had not contracted a debilitating disease, I bet he would have become a cop.

Cops with that abusive mentality assume that they can go after pretty much any black person, regardless of that person's age, gender, or status (but especially young black men, of course), and most people will accept whatever BS story they come up with to claim that their victim became belligerent, resisted arrest, attacked the cop, reached for their own waistband or for the cop's gun, seemed to have a weapon, etc. Of course racism pure and simple is a main reason why they attack black people, but part of the reason is that the cops don't feel the need to show any restraint when interacting with a black person, because they believe that no matter what they do to the black person, most people will accept it as having been justified.

That the cops throw off all restraints when interacting with a black person is evident in the way they typically approach black citizens, even for a minor traffic stop, like a seatbelt violation (!): the cop comes in yelling curses and shouting peremptory commands, often drawing his gun before there is any reason to. When approaching a white citizen under similar circumstances, a cop will usually (not always, but usually) speak reasonably politely, and the gun won't be out unless something specific causes the cop to think he needs it.

Consider what happened to that poor guy who was shot when he tried to comply after the cop (who had approached him in the first place only for a seatbelt violation) demanded his ID. Witnesses say the cop already had his gun out as soon as he got out of his car! The young black man had just pulled in to the gas station. He didn't even realize there was a cop on his tail, because having done nothing wrong, he had no reason to think a cop would be following him. But the cop already had his gun out. For a seatbelt violation!

I think that is one aspect of the LEOs' racism: they automatically assume that a black man is always going to be dangerous, almost as though having black skin is a weapon. They also assume that a black man is going to have drugs or weapons on him. In fact, I actually doubt whether the cop approached that man over a seatbelt violation. I bet that was just an excuse to check him out in hopes of finding a weapon or drugs, so he could meet some sort of arrest quota that he carried in his own mind or that his superiors "unofficially" imposed on the cops in the department.

That off-duty cop who shot the kid last night was doing random "pedestrian checks" (!) of young black men, and when the 4 he first approached ran from him, he chased them (Why?). Then when he mistook his victim for one of those 4, he chased him. Why did the first 4 run? Maybe they did have drugs or weapons on them and didn't want to get in trouble. Or maybe young black men make the rational choice to run from any cop who approaches them, since any interaction with a cop so often escalates to the point of their being beaten, arrested, or killed.

[Mister Nightowl]

119. I hate the fact that this doesn't surprise me

[Brigid]

120. Nothing on CNN or MSNBC yet.

TV or online.

[Mr.Bill]

143. Nothing on my local news either.

Shows you how ill equipped our so called TV news is to cover a breaking story.

CNN will have something about it hours from now and call it "Breaking News" for three days.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. The cops should all be fired for STUPIDITY....

They couldn't even lay low 'till things blew over.

[marym625]

125. Don't know who is watching but they're walking into a trap

[zentrum]

127. Some reports

..say it was an off duty officer. Some say "undercover" officer.

Point is, if he wasn't in uniform and yet pursued this man, while pointing a gun at him---it might explain why the victim raised a gun and fired at the pursuing officer (if he did). He didn't know it was cop. Thought it was a robber, a gang member--who knows.

Thought he was firing in self defense.

Doubt we'll ever know the full facts.

[Cali_Democrat]

131. But

as we saw with the Trayvon case, blacks apparently aren't allowed to defend themselves against unknown strangers stalking and following them for no apparent reason.

[Blue_Tires]

152. +1000

It's pathetic how many people still fail to understand this...

[marym625]

133. evidently a bunch of witnesses

Kid shot wasn't even being pursued, just in wrong place.

The cops have already washed down the lawn where the kid was shot.

[Cali_Democrat]

136. Surely the cops interviewed all the witnesses to get the full story

Last edited Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:03 AM - Edit history (1)

and are conducting a full, transparent and open investigation into this matter....

Riiiiiight......


And to think...much of America still thinks all Americans are treated equally....with liberty and justice for all....

[marym625]

140. I can't believe this!

Jesus fucking christ! The.fire department washed it away already.

This is war on all of us. Fuck the pigs!

I have never been so angry. And I am scared shitless about what the cops are planning. They're not going to just keep silent all night

[scarystuffyo]

141. The crime scene?

[marym625]

144. yep

[scarystuffyo]

147. What the hell is going on there

I was trying to give some benefit of the doubt to the cop but this is starting to look like a cover up.

[marym625]

150. watching live stream,

It's going down. Serious shit. Confronting cops. Just some explosion or something. Can't tell what

[Crunchy Frog]

160. So they're systematically destroying evidence at a crime scene.

I guess there's nothing that a cop can do that will get him more than a paid vacation.

[marym625]

166. seems to be the way.

[daleanime]

134. Why do they think they can get away with this shit?

This.


has.
.

Got.


To.


Stop.

[BronxBoy]

142. Because they do. N/t

[herding cats]

148. Exactly.

Over and over again.

[daleanime]

154. Can't be allowed to continue.....

there's no way any kind of society can survive this insanity.

[marym625]

145. News

http://globalgrind.com/2014/10/08/.VDYdxLq1l90.twitter

[tblue37]

146. Why does an off-duty cop think he has the right to randomly conduct "pedestrian checks" on

young black men who are not doing anything criminal? The story the killer cop tells is that he was chasing one of 4 men he had stopped to do a "pedestrian check" on. When they ran, he chased one, and he claims that this young man was one of them, though the eyewitnesses say the victim just happened to be in the vicinity of the chase when the cop mistook him for the one he was chasing and started chasing him instead.

But what right did the jerk have to be chasing any of the young men in the first place? Apparently the fact that they are black is all the justification he needs for chasing and shooting at someone for not submitting to his "pedestrian check."

[blkmusclmachine]

157. Looks like it's cops versus everyone else.

[Marrah_G]

161. watching the livestream

[Marrah_G]

162. On what planet is 16 shots into the kid okay?

[davidpdx]

163. Anything new?

[davidpdx]

164. Ustream is off air

Livestream is still up.

[davidpdx]

165. Changed

Ustream is replaying and Livestream is taking a break. Neither are live.

[Sherman A1]

167. It was a St. Louis City Police Officer not County

St. Louis is not part of St. Louis County, but rather a separate County unto itself. St. Louis County is made up of the area surrounding the City and includes such cities as Ferguson, Olivette, Florissant, Overland, St. Ann and host of others along with including some areas that are not incorporated into cities. It is a bit confusing for those who are not familiar with the "interesting" nature of government in this area.



http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/duty-st-louis-police-officer-involved-fatal-shooting

A St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department officer working a second job as a security officer shot and killed a young black man, VonDerrit Myers Jr., in the Shaw neighborhood in south St. Louis Wednesday night. The incident occurred in the 4100 block of Shaw Boulevard.

St. Louis police chief Sam Dotson told reporters that the unidentified officer was patrolling the neighborhood in the car of a local security company, Hi-Tech Security, when three young black men, including Myers, caught his attention near the corner of Shaw and Klemm Street around 7:30 p.m. When the officer made a U-turn to investigate further, the three men fled.

Dotson did not say specifically what made the officer suspicious about the three men in the first place, but said the officer believed Myers was carrying a gun by the way he ran when he fled.

The officer caught up to Myers and the two others in a gangway in the 4100 block of Shaw, ordering them to surrender and saying they were under arrest. Myers, Dotson said, continued to advance toward the officer, and a physical struggle ensued, during which Myers had his sweatshirt pulled off, revealing what turned out to be a 9mm Ruger pistol. Myers then pointed the weapon at police, Dotson said, and fired three times before his gun jammed. The officer returned fire, discharging his own weapon 17 times.

[tblue37]

177. Oh, and why did he say they were under arrest? What had they done,

other than being black and catching the eye of an off-duty cop who felt he had the right to do what he himself referred to as random "pedestrian checks"?

[logosoco]

178. Thanks for explaining that.

I'm from around here, husband was born in St. Louis and it's odd. St. Louis is not in St. Louis county.

Great link. It sounds like the cop is on the city force but was working for a private company at the time. I wonder who hired them and why.

It was dark, so how could the cop say he "believed" he saw a gun? He better have some major evidence of a crime. Otherwise it is blatantly shooting a person because they were black.

There are some crazy storms here in the area today. Heavy rain and major lightning. I wish it could not this crap out of the country entirely.

This. HAS. GOT. TO. STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[theHandpuppet]

179. Since when are neighborhoods partrolled by private security firms?

This is bullshit. There's a lot more going on here -- we need to know why this man was patrolling the neighborhood, what this "Hi-Tech Security" firm really is and why they are acting like raging "night riders" against the citizenry.

[marym625]

184. my aunt owned a private security co. way back in the 80s

One of her clients was a Gold Coast neighborhood of chicago. She had private security guards, usually off duty cops but not always, patrolling the area. They all had guns. The non cops had gun permits but no real training, just the basic, and made minimum wage.

[theHandpuppet]

187. I looked up this company, "Hi Tech Security" of St. Louis

Check out the last two comments. Evidently this kind of harassment has been going on for years.
http://www.citysearch.com/profile/5737178/saint_louis_mo/hi_tech_security_inc.html

[theHandpuppet]

188. Here's another record of this company -- when will it be shut down?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/hi-tech-security-sued-owner-s-property-searched/article_29317505-0a58-55d7-a5b6-904a9dbc00d7.html
Hi-Tech Security sued, owner's property searched
March 05, 2011 12:15 am • BY JENNIFER MANN •

ST. LOUIS • A man claims in a lawsuit filed Friday that he suffered brain injuries at the hands of an off-duty St. Louis police sergeant who was working for Hi-Tech Security, once a major "secondary employer" of city officers.

The timing of the suit appeared coincidental with a St. Louis police search Thursday of a home that public records show belongs to Hi-Tech's owner, Adam Strauss. The department would not say what it was looking for or what it found at the dwelling in the 4000 block of Laclede Avenue in the Central West End...

...Finney said his client, Andrew Himeless, 28, spent three months in rehabilitation but still cannot move his left arm and has trouble walking....

[theHandpuppet]

192. More evidence of abuses that go back for years

http://www.stltoday.com/news/cops-private-patrols-raise-questions-city-officers-with-hi-tech/article_cbd05c63-afe5-51eb-a32d-54ac2c6e0f2e.html

[marym625]

190. so have shootings during "pedestrian checks"

Near the end of the story

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/st-louis-police-officer-shoots-kills-man-during-pedestrian-c?s=mobile#fobqee

[theHandpuppet]

193. Yep -- the more I dig, the outrageous record of this company becomes clear

What also becomes clear is that the only reason this company is still allowed to operate is because their employee pool is comprised of police officers.

[marym625]

196. disgusting

Just disgusting! There are no words

[FlatStanley]

169. Looks like the victim was able to get off three shots before his "sandwich" jammed.

Oops. Looks like the jury voted incorrectly to hide a post that essentially said don't jump to conclusions.

[IdaBriggs]

172. Dang this eye witnesses - makes the cover story a little more challenging

but spread lies long enough, and some folks believe them.

I have lots of questions, including why the killer thought he was justified in stopping, chasing or shooting people.

But you have your concerns, and I have mine.

[tblue37]

176. Wait a minute. The first CYA story had Meyer *jumping out of the bushes* and attacking the cop.

(That sounds like the BS story Zimmerman told about Trayvon Martin!) But this version doesn't have any bushes at all.

And how exactly does a person run in a way that suggests he has a gun? If the gun was, as this story claims, tucked into his waistband, then how would it influence the manner of his running so that a cop could tell by looking that the kid had a gun?

[marym625]

186. That's what they told AP

From Buzzfeed:

"The officer initially lost the man but found him again when he jumped out of a bush. Lt. Col. Alfred Adkins told the Associated Press a struggle then ensued."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/st-louis-police-officer-shoots-kills-man-during-pedestrian-c?s=mobile#fobqee

Hope this link works

[PorridgeGun]

189. The same "eyewitnesses" who "saw" the kid tased by a cop who wasn't carrying one? nt

[SidDithers]

185. Wow. Seriously?...nt

Sid

[marym625]

195. news?