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Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:17 PM

2nd Texas Ebola case. Stop all Texas flights!

No one should be allowed to fly out of Texas. We're talking about Ebola here. And who knows how many Ebola infected Isis terrorists may have slipped into Texas from the Mexican border? Safer to just ground all the flights.


Oh, ... sorry. I must have had a brief case of GOP-think fever.

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Reply 2nd Texas Ebola case. Stop all Texas flights! (Original post)
Cyrano Oct 2014 OP
Downwinder Oct 2014 #1
grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #16
appleannie1 Oct 2014 #92
annabanana Oct 2014 #2
vt_native Oct 2014 #3
redwitch Oct 2014 #6
cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #23
FarPoint Oct 2014 #30
Cyrano Oct 2014 #31
RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #82
IronLionZion Oct 2014 #112
cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #52
FarPoint Oct 2014 #107
A Simple Game Oct 2014 #56
nilram Oct 2014 #66
ffr Oct 2014 #4
TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #5
Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #7
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homegirl Oct 2014 #80
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A Simple Game Oct 2014 #77
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A Simple Game Oct 2014 #91
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uppityperson Oct 2014 #36
TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #43
uppityperson Oct 2014 #46
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uppityperson Oct 2014 #22
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Thor_MN Oct 2014 #29
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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:22 PM

1. Might be better all around to quarantine the state.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:55 PM

16. +1

 

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:48 PM

92. That would save us all.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:23 PM

2. Heeee . ..good one. . . . . n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:23 PM

3. make Tejas...

Leave the Union!


On edit: Maybe we should be bombing Texas?

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Response to vt_native (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:28 PM

6. I have friends and family in Texas.

No bombing please. But maybe hire a Surgeon General and get with a really good protocol for dealing with this ebola thing?

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Response to vt_native (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:01 PM

23. Texas has an economy relatively the size of Spain. Vermont = Bahrain. I dare say we'd miss Texas...

 

Vermont? Not so much.

Economically, it would make MUCH MORE SENSE to bomb Vermont than Texas. There are dozens of counties in the United States with larger GDPs than the great state of Vermont.

GDP rank:

Texas - #2. Vermont - #50.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:23 PM

30. My son is in culinary school in Vermont.

I'd miss Vermont.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:32 PM

31. Not to worry

Innocent civilians would not be bombed.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #31)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:47 PM

82. Just to be on the safe side though...

...please avoid any joyous wedding parties.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:05 AM

112. Anyone who gets killed

shall be declared an enemy combatant, especially if we don't know who they are. Just in case. That way we'll know they're guilty.

Seems legit

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:58 PM

52. Good luck to your Son! I'd love to go to culinary school when I retire...

 

and I'd NEVER want to see bombs dropped on Americans by Americans, or anyone else for that matter.

Again, good luck to your Son.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #52)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:46 AM

107. Brett is attending the New England Culinary Institute.

Small classes for 1:1 focus, French foundation, sustainable living...a fabulous school and beautiful remote location.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:06 PM

56. Didn't anyone tell you? Size doesn't matter.

I wouldn't trade 5 of Texas for 1 Vermont.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #56)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:13 PM

66. +10

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:23 PM

4. Why isn't Faux insisting we close our borders to them???

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:25 PM

5. I do think we should stop travel from countries that have uncontrolled outbreaks.

That's really only a handful, it's temporary, and it shouldn't be seen as some sort of punishment or racism. If the US did develop a severe outbreak, I wouldn't be angry at the rest of the world for banning travel from the US. If we had a travel ban on Liberia, the TX nurse would be fine today--that is a fact.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:30 PM

7. flu kills 50,000 people here every year and is far more infectious than ebola.

 

so you would also agree that the rest of the world should shut down all air travel to/from the us from around mid October to late March early April, right?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:35 PM

8. Most people recover from the flu--and most people who die from it are compromised

already. We fully understand how most strains spread, we have vaccines, and if people would just stay home when they're coughing and symptomatic, and wash hands more often, the occurrence would be cut dramatically. In contrast, look at the health care workers in western countries who KNOW they're dealing in life and death and follow protocols, and are still getting ebola. Sorry, ebola does warrant more extreme measures.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:45 PM

80. And the

flu doesn't have a 50% plus mortality rate.

For several reasons I would welcome the action if Texas seceded from the USA.

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Response to homegirl (Reply #80)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:01 AM

108. "flu doesn't have a 50% plus mortality rate. "

at least not recently.......

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:42 PM

10. It's really impossible to stop travel from

countries with outbreaks. Africa, Asia and Europe are linked by land. People can drive, bike, boat, take trains, or simply walk away from an infected country. And once out, they can fly even if flight restrictions were in place in their own countries.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:53 PM

15. No, it's not. They shouldn't be allowed to leave their countries at this point.

They need to make every effort to contain and quarantine this. There is no good reason why a travel ban shouldn't be in place except for absolute necessity (such as citizens from elsewhere leaving--and they should be screened and quarantined as well.) I don't need to leave this country--why do they need to leave theirs?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:31 PM

77. I have a much simpler solution, I don't know why you didn't think of it.

You stay in your house, tape all the windows and doors shut. Watch DU and we will tell you when it is safe to leave.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #77)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:36 PM

78. Did I offend you in some way?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #78)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:17 PM

91. No, why would you think so? I only offered a solution that inconveniences one

person instead of half of Africa, Spain, the United States, and who knows by next week.

Does my logic offend you?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #91)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:14 PM

93. If it's just an "inconvenience" as you say, then countries in Africa that have

many cases of ebola should be able to cope with not hopping on a plane and going to distant lands to infect others, don't you think? I think they should very much be "inconvenienced", so that people in unaffected areas don't die from the disease. Your logic isn't offensive, it simply doesn't exist.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #93)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:20 PM

95. I long ago ceased letting fear rule my life, you should try it, it makes life so much better. n/t

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #95)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:34 PM

97. Aww, condescension, how sweet. Here's some for you: I'm not afraid, dearie.

Not for myself. But I was a bedside nurse, just like the one who is now going to face a struggle for her life that didn't have to happen, if only Mr. Duncan had been turned away at one airport or another and been sent back home. You don't expose people to lethal risk in THIS country because you don't want to impose "inconvenience" upon a country that's staggering into governmental and societal collapse from a contagious disease with no cure. It shouldn't happen.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #97)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:02 PM

99. A nurse with no compassion, I bet the patients loved you.

Have you spoken one word of support for the victims?

Mr. Duncan didn't take a direct flight to Texas, how many countries would you have impose restrictions upon themselves because of a person that exhibited no symptoms of Ebola? Would you shut down the hospital that sent him home a day after training the staff about Ebola procedures thus causing people to be exposed for two more days and probably signing Duncan's death certificate?

The United States has had 3 or 4 patients with Ebola, quick, when should we close our borders? Should Spain close their borders? Hurry, we need answers now before it gets much worse.

Now as a former medical professional are you prepared to talk about how we can speed up research for a cure and increasing drug production? How about training for the people of West Africa so they can better protect themselves and in doing so help protect the rest of the world from Ebola?

There are medical professionals putting their lives on the line by going to West Africa and facing the risk head on to help alleviate the pain and suffering of those people and my heart goes out to them. I don't know if I would have the courage to do that even if I was qualified, but I do have the courage to never deny them any and all aid including returning to the United States for treatment, if they need it. Then we have some that just want to close the doors and lock them.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #99)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:11 PM

101. I always relish the moment when someone who has no idea who I am or

what I've been through in life finally has to pull a baseless personal insult out of his or her ass to try to win a discussion.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #101)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:44 PM

104. Sorry you feel that way... dearie. When your ready to talk solutions let me know.

As for a base, you have given me a lot of material to work with.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:43 PM

11. There are no direct flights from Liberia to Dallas -

In fact I doubt there are any direct flights from the affected countries to the US. Easy fix but it doesn't exist.

You could try to seal their borders but people have a way of getting through.

I think the best solution is to get this virus under control. We have a lot of resources on this earth and if we weren't so busy building weapons to bomb each other I think we could solve the problem of any health outbreak.

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Response to TBF (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:48 PM

12. But their country of origin is what should restrict their movements, not where the

plane goes. There shouldn't be flights going into or out of Liberia and other badly affected countries except under controlled scenarios and for vital reasons. It's that simple. I believe Sierra Leone put itself in that position already.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:57 PM

19. That's fine but what about the folks who run

across in the middle of the night? Really, this is silly.

Why would you not seek to contain this disease?

You do know that by sealing off those countries you are dooming millions to death? Is that your goal? And you're still not going to contain it unless you literally put a bubble around the country.

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Response to TBF (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:38 PM

35. Flights in to allow aid, food, medicine, commerce--all fine.

Tourists taking their infection to America or Europe in a bid for treatment--not fine.

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Response to TBF (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:41 PM

36. Because "I don't need to leave this country--why do they need to leave theirs?" upthread

Indeed, wtf

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #36)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:51 PM

43. Absolutely true. A temporary travel ban is very much in order, and common sense.

Most people do not have a real need to leave their home countries. It's not forever--just until the rate of infection starts going down.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:55 PM

46. I would rather see resources spent treating and finding and educating people than patrolling

360 miles of coastline and 1000 miles of jungle.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #46)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:00 PM

54. I believe we should aid the countries involved. I also believe that allowing the

infection to jump all over the place via travel is exceptionally stupid.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:00 PM

22. You want the Liberian gvt to blockade their borders so no one can walk, bike, drive, fly, boat to

anywhere else? 986 land miles, 359 ocean miles. How? How would this country be able to do that?

Per wiki
The total length of Liberia's land borders is 986 miles (1,587 km): 190 miles (310 km) with Sierra Leone on the northwest, 350 miles (560 km) with Guinea to the north, and 445 miles (716 km) with Côte d'Ivoire. Liberia currently claims a territorial sea of 200 nmi (230.2 mi; 370.4 km).

359 miles of borders on the Atlantic Ocean per this link
http://books.google.com/books?id=1lstRzSWEcUC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=liberia+border+length&source=bl&ots=mBU4fr2U_h&sig=3_JJrZ0PN9_0X0mHP7uxR38Fduk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3cA6VP3ELOj3iwLqwoHoDg&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=liberia%20border%20length&f=false

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:33 PM

32. Yes. It's common sense. If the situation is so dire that the US military

had to be called in, and OUR troops are exposed to risk in a bid to help them, then they shouldn't be allowed to go elsewhere and infect other countries. I know all the arguments for and against, but simply stopping the movement of potentially infected people would be extremely helpful.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:43 PM

37. Ah, this is because "OUR troops" are helping, because "we" have gotten involved when it is simpler

to just seal the borders, let them die and voila, it's over and done with?

Are you serious. Seriously, wtf.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:49 PM

41. They need help, but they shouldn't be allowed to travel around the world with this shit.

We obviously don't have a handle on it. Imagine if it makes it to big cities in India.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:18 PM

29. How do you know country of origin if they drive out of Liberia to another country?

 

Or are you saying Liberians? In that case, what about someone from another country who happened to travel through Liberia?

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:34 PM

33. Well, there's no 100% way of stopping any sort of human behavior, but that doesn't

stop societies and countries from setting policies and laws that can be helpful. No flights going to or from Liberia unless necessary and well-screened, no unnecessary border movements.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:47 PM

38. And you believe that Liberia has air tight borders?

 

Attempt to close their borders (what would you think if other countries tried to close our borders?) and you will ensure that people leave by untraceable routes.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #38)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:48 PM

39. No. But that shouldn't stop common sense policies and effort.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #39)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:52 PM

44. Your "common sense" policies would dictate that other countries close our borders

 

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #44)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:56 PM

51. If we have a rampant ebola problem, they probably should restrict travel from the US

until the incidence of the disease is lowered and under control.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:06 PM

57. And you believe that the US would accept other countries closing our borders?

 

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #57)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:08 PM

60. We should do it ourselves if we had multi-state outbreaks or an epidemic. It's not likely to happen

here, even with sporadic cases, but Sierra Leone did this, I believe.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #60)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:46 PM

81. I ask again, would we accept other countries doing this to the US?

 

Because you are calling for shutting the borders of other countries...

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #81)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:53 PM

83. I have no idea how other countries would react to a big outbreak of ebola here.

Or how we would like it. But I would understand it if they didn't want flights full of Americans if we start having a real problem. To put this in perspective, however, a relative handful of countries have had thousands infected by now--thousands. We should have shut them down in terms of unrestricted travel when it was in the hundreds, because they are simply unable to contain it--and then given them all sorts of aid to quarantine and fight it. The problem has escaped their control, and if it spreads to other high-density cities with poor sanitation (again, I'm thinking India) it's going to get really stupid.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #83)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:58 PM

85. So you have no idea if it would be considered an act of war?

 

Yet you are calling for imposing your fears on other countries...

The Bush/Chenney admin leaned on those same feelings...

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #85)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:01 PM

86. ?? Act of war? Other countries don't have to automatically accept travelers or immigrants.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #86)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:04 PM

87. You have called for externally shutting down Liberia's border.

 

" No flights going to or from Liberia unless necessary and well-screened, no unnecessary border movements. "

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #87)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:10 PM

88. I called for a travel ban except on necessary travel.

Neighboring African countries can do what they think is best, but for our purposes here, meaning that the US will not accept flights from Liberia, Senegal, etc., or travelers holding passports from those countries, unless special circumstances warrant it. You can interpret that as you like, but it's pretty straightforward and logical. If that had been in place a few weeks ago, this nurse wouldn't be about to undergo a very terrible time.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #88)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:16 PM

90. Are you paying ANY attention?

 

There ARE NO FLIGHTS FROM LIBERIA to the US!!! Everyone who travels from Liberia to the US passes through at least one other country.

If the person feels that they will not be able to do what they want to do, they will simply buy two separate tickets. Now they are traveling from Spain, France, England, etc.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #90)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:16 PM

94. But they have to have passports, don't they?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #94)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:07 PM

100. Yes, and some of the people leaving Liberia, may have passports from Liberia.

 

Others may say Spain, Germany, etc. (not everyone leaving Liberia is from there.) What about someone who is a Liberian citizen but has been living in France for the last 5 years?

We are just going in circles now, this is covered ground. You appear to be facetiously raising questions to detract from that you are advocating unilaterally closing another countries borders, what would likely be considered an act of war if it weer done to the United States.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #100)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:20 PM

102. If they've been living in France for five years and originated the flight from France,

then they're coming from France. Not sure what you're getting at in terms of "unilaterally" closing another country's border. I'm saying the countries who are hardest hit should restrict travel of their citizens, and other countries/airlines shouldn't take passengers from these countries, unless there are necessary circumstances to do so. I think British Airways is doing that already. When enough workers from various industries decide they don't want to die cleaning up someone's infectious piss or shit for $10 an hour, all sorts of interesting things will start to happen on the government level.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #102)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:39 PM

103. You could go to Liberia and lobby for them to close their borders...

 

Otherwise, you have talking about closing the borders for them unilaterally (or maybe with a coalition). It isn't realistic in even the most naive mind that the entire world would join together to cut off another country.

If the flight came from France, all you know is the flight came from France. How are you going to prove where the person has been living? Again with the facetious questions...

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:50 PM

42. I am not sure what you are thinking the Liberian border looks like, but wtf. Here, try these...

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:54 PM

45. So? Even if some people sneak across borders, that doesn't mean we should allow

flights in and out, freely, all over the world.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #45)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:56 PM

49. "They shouldn't be allowed to leave their countries at this point" is what you said. How do you make

that happen?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #49)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:59 PM

53. Passports, visas turned down for air travel and border crossings.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #53)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:02 PM

55. Walk through the forest to the next country. Hop in a small boat to paddle next door.

and fwiw, the border crossing are not staffed, no visas are needed to cross those borders.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #55)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:07 PM

58. There's no 100% foolproof way to stop people's movements, but you don't have to make

it easy or likely, either.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #58)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:08 PM

59. So how would you go about securing those borders?

closing the airport would close 1 mile of those 1000 miles land and none of the water ones.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #59)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:10 PM

62. Did Duncan have to go elsewhere to get on a plane, or did he get on a plane in

Liberia? I'd start solving the problem there.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #62)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:14 PM

67. Gotcha, you'd close 1 mile, leave the other 999 miles open.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #67)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:16 PM

68. Well, he sat down in a tube and ended up in another continent, effortlessly.

Several continents. If you're going to take your ebola-infected self on a big journey, it's best that we don't help you.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #68)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:19 PM

70. You not only ignore 99.99% of the border but now say MDuncan should not have been helped?

"If you're going to take your ebola-infected self on a big journey, it's best that we don't help you."

You want to blockade the country, but refuse to say how in any way that can be done except for 1 of 1000 miles. You also say infected people should not be helped.

Incredible. Done with you.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #70)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:21 PM

73. Never said "blockade"--said unnecessary flights and travel.

But, OK...

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #73)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:22 PM

74. "They shouldn't be allowed to leave their countries at this point." Copy/pasted, link below

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #74)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:25 PM

75. I don't think I contradicted myself. Most travel IS unnecessary in the face of a

pandemic that is growing and has no cure. Seeing grandma in Belgium or seeing your girlfriend in Dallas doesn't cut it.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #75)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:40 PM

79. You're right. It's pretty simple, actually

 

Traveler has a passport with a marker from an infected country? No free entry. No passport? No entry, period. Obviously.

I get what you're saying. It makes sense and it isn't hard at all to understand.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #75)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:21 PM

96. Don't you get tired of moving those goalposts?

"They shouldn't be allowed to leave their countries at this point."
" Never said "blockade"--said unnecessary flights and travel."

No, you said "They shouldn't be allowed to leave their countries at this point."
"Seeing grandma in Belgium or seeing your girlfriend in Dallas doesn't cut it."

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #96)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:36 PM

98. I didn't move any.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:56 PM

17. Then logic dictates we stop TX flights, too.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:04 PM

27. We're not dealing with a whole

lot of logic in this thread ...

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Response to TBF (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:57 PM

106. Noticed that, did you?

Makes my head hurt...

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:12 PM

63. If there's a big outbreak in TX, then yes.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:48 PM

40. BINGO!

 

West Africa isn't Texas. We could stop all travel and nothing would be lost.

Stopping all travel to and from Texas would massively disrupt the economy. Stopping all travel to west Africa loses us nothing. Texas has two infected people, Africa has thousands. The people equating the two are intellectually dishonest

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #40)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:10 PM

61. And there it is. "Stopping all travel to west Africa loses us nothing"

Let me repeat, "loses us nothing"

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #61)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:13 PM

64. I won't apologize for putting ourselves first

 

And I feel no shame for it. Let whoever wants to volunteer go over there and help, but make damned sure they spend a day or two under observation to ensure they aren't coming back infected.

As for regular travel, nope. You go over there, you're not coming back until the outbreak is over. Sorry. Texas =/= west Africa, it shouldn't even be there. Duncan should never have been allowed into this country, and this woman's life shouldn't have been in danger.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #64)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:16 PM

69. Disrupt their economy, make sure they don't get supplies, yup, won't hurt US so f* them?

"We could stop all travel and nothing would be lost." Experts say that is totally wrong.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #69)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:20 PM

71. What economy?

 

What is our tourism to Liberia worth? Not one American dying from this illness, that's what. And all this PC bullshit now has a woman infected and fighting for her life.

Same crowd told me that it was probably already here months ago. No it wasn't, as I said at the time. We let it in. Idiots.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #71)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:21 PM

72. The only economy you can think of for Liberia is tourism? Seriously?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #72)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:25 PM

76. So quarantining people would halt all commerce?

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:36 PM

9. Build a wall along OK, NM, AR, LA, and Mexico!!! Seal off TX!!!

Please???? But first, bring Perry back to TX. We want his ass quarantined, too.

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Response to valerief (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:49 PM

13. Give it a rest.

Some of us live in TX, and this stupid talk is getting me very angry.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:56 PM

18. My op isn't a put down of Texas

It's aimed at those (like Fox "News" who want to stop flights out of Ebola infected countries, and the crazy GOP candidates who are saying they have information that Ebola and Isis are crossing the Mexican border.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:07 PM

28. Most of us understood what you meant

It made me laugh, and I'm originally from Texas.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:59 PM

21. I knew I should have put the sarcasm tag in there for the sarcasm-impaired. nt

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:03 PM

24. I'm sure the nurse's and Mr. Duncan's family have broke some ribs from laughing so hard./NT

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Response to valerief (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:51 PM

14. There's already a fence on the Mexican side

The Mexicans have to remain alert and not let anyone cross over. There must be Mexican militia groups that would volunteer to patrol the border.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:58 PM

20. Yeah, we know how well that works.

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Response to valerief (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:11 AM

110. As long as the Texas Air Nationals Guard declares a no-fly zone, we'll feel safer...

right now Texas is the only state with out-of-control WMD's. Of course, it's a matter of time before some other states join the club.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:04 PM

25. you know. i do have one particular little repug, that was truly offensively nasty when duncan

 

showed up. and your sugggestion is absolutely one of those.... look straight into her eyes, and .... now we shut us in. no flights out. you in the northeast? well stay out. none in and none out.

as she said, way back in, so very nasty

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:04 PM

26. We need to shoot down all international flights that enter our airspace also because they might be

carrying the ebola, or someone from Africa, or someone who met someone from Brussels!!!!!111111


We are SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:37 PM

34. Let's build a wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:55 PM

47. ebola might come over the border into new mexico!!

 

what if coyotes in texas get it, and they come along the
rio grande, and they bite everybody they meet?

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:16 AM

111. They don't need to get bitten as long as Texans are eating road-kill stew!

After all, that's how ebola supposedly originated in Africa. Hard to change those cultural habits.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:56 PM

48. Did it before, do it again. Oklahoma national guard to the Red River because of Texans...

 


Should have left them there after 1931

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:56 PM

50. I'd say nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. n/t

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Response to Ron Obvious (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:48 PM

105. Yeah, but there's always one

hiding somewhere on Ripley's ship.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:13 PM

65. shut down the Texas borders!

send in the National Guard!

heh

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:55 PM

84. Nuke 'em!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 03:10 PM

89. Our southern border.....

.. is now Oklahoma !!!!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:05 AM

109. On a more serious note - before locking the entire country of Liberia into quarantine, educate

yourself -

When I checked last week, about 0.1% of the people in Liberia had had any contact with Ebola.

If it is that easy to catch, why aren't they all dead or dying by now?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:11 AM

113. Texas' GOP politicians should be preemtively quarantined

just in case:




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