Yous all are so predictable sometimes.

[Drunken Irishman]

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I've read so many threads slamming the DSCC and how you're tired of their urgent fundraising e-mails begging for money and how you won't waste one cent on 'em until they actually support what you believe. Then, when the DSCC, with limited resources, has to make the tough decisions on where to play in the final weeks of the campaign, you pounce and complain.

I mean, you can't make this shit up.

You're angry at the DSCC and won't give 'em money to support Democrats because, gosh, the party has tilted too far to the right, and those begging e-mails are so fucking annoying, but when, lacking resources, they have to pick and choose which races to play in during the final stretch, you're all the sudden angry?

What do you think happens when you don't give money?

I mean, really, this is exactly what so many of you wanted! You wanted the resources to dry up to teach 'em a lesson. This is the lesson.

So, stop acting so surprised the DSCC, lacking funding, is pulling some of its resources from Kentucky.

Remember, many of you weren't going to give 'em a dime. This is what happens when you don't give 'em a dime.

You certainly knew this, right?

[Bonobo]

1. That's a pretty big and generic "You" you're using.

You have it all figured out. It's those damn Naderite-Paulite-Warrenites.

[The Magistrate]

2. Cold But Fair, Sir

"War requires funds, you know. No one gives bullets, clothing or food to poor Volunteers."

[RobertEarl]

3. So it's DU's fault?

Yous all are so predictable.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. Yes! For once ...

DU is representative of a larger Democratic point.

[bravenak]

40. Finally!!

[Number23]

47. Praise the Lord! Praise Him!! Miracles do happen

[JustAnotherGen]

52. Amen

So it has been foretold and written.

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[1StrongBlackMan]

62. Blind squirrel ... Nut ...

Broken clock ... Nah, that would mean being right TWICE a day.

[tridim]

4. Looking at you, Jon Stewart. nt

[TBF]

5. I will give a donation to play that cut, cut, cut

commercial that was posted yesterday. Are they running it?

[Beaverhausen]

11. Agenda project action fund did that ad

Look up AP action on Facebook

[TBF]

59. Thanks -

that ad was terrific.

ETA: I found the web page http://agendaproject.org/ Tells about who is working on this & connects to Facebook/Twitter

[zentrum]

20. Exactly!

I'd support them more if they would only fight. Nobody can give their hard earned money to dishrags.

[Blue_In_AK]

27. That was a wonderful ad.

[uponit7771]

49. +1

[Cali_Democrat]

6. You know what's even more interesting?

These same people say that they won't donate to the DSCC because Dems haven't pursued policies they believe in. Yet they're mad when the DSCC yanks money from a person declaring herself to be a Clinton Democrat.

[Bobbie Jo]

12. Not to mention...

A classic blue dog. I thought we hated "those kind."

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Shhh ...

You weren't suppose to notice that!

[uponit7771]

50. +1

[JustAnotherGen]

51. +1

[hootinholler]

7. Um show me the fucking books

Then I might believe you that this was a dried up funding issue.

[840high]

10. Good one.

[Triana]

8. I actually gave them some money. AND I complained.

Sick of the constant emails - NO WAY can we match the goddamned Koch Brothers. I know they need money. I have very limited amounts to give - but I did give some - twice to one Dem candidate. And to DSCC and DCCC. So make of that what ya will.

[byronius]

9. I just started giving money.

Late bloomer. No real reason. Well, a particular Act Blue email.

If I were a billionaire, I'd give everything I owned to put an end to Citizen's United.

By the time it's repealed, I predict that law will have killed more Americans through designed stress than every war and pandemic in US history combined times 100.

So damn dark-hearted. Palpatinish.

[MannyGoldstein]

13. Tough decisions, I understand.

Stupid decisions, not so much.

They are continuing to do the opposite of Dr. Dean's 50-state strategy, which was the only time we won back both houses of Congress in - what - 20+ years?

The Third Way velociraptors running the thing probably think of it as austerity against non-preferred candidates, and austerity gets that crowd all hot and bothered.

As to the begging emails... asking for money is fine. The way they're doing it now is unbelievably annoying, in both quantity and quality.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Could it be that ...

the DSSC considered Grimes' cash on hand and agreed (with Grimes) that she could sustain? After all ... She is, as of today, trumpetting record fund raising.

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Could be

I shouldn't jerk my knee so quickly.

[geek tragedy]

36. Except they're spending in North Carolina, South Dakota, Georgia, Arkansas,

Louisiana, Colorado, and Iowa.

[Cali_Democrat]

37. Oh...so you support Clinton Democrats like Alison Grimes

and you think the DSCC should pursue a 50-state strategy and get more conservative Dems, like Grimes, in Congress?

Well I'll be damned...

[MannyGoldstein]

39. You think I'd prefer a Republican to even a Blue Dog?

Wow.

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Remember Max Baucus?

What ends up happening if you pursue a 50-state strategy is that you get people like him in Congress. They will be elected from conservative districts like Montana, Kentucky etc.

Massive tax hikes on the wealthy? Never gonna happen.

Single payer? Not a chance.

Repealing of NAFTA and other free trade agreements? Nope.

Strict Wall Street regulations? LOL.

And on...and on...and on....

[MannyGoldstein]

42. So, as usual, I suck

Hopefully in my next life I'll return as a Labrador Retriever. Or a Spongmonkey. Or a Honey Badger. Or something that doesn't suck.

[bravenak]

44. You ain't so bad.

[Major Hogwash]

55. Oh, hell, yes he is. They even have a song named after him.

They just changed the name they use in the song, "Bad, bad, Leroy Brown"!!!

[Deny and Shred]

57. I thought that was the point of the OP

Get poeple with any stripe of D elected by giving them money - not becasue you belieive they will enact anything you want, but because of the D. Its quantity only, you are arguing for quality.

[JI7]

14. yeah, but you have to admit that those who think this has to do with DLC going after Populists

is funny

[whereisjustice]

15. my time is worth something, going through 100 emails a day? that's all I can afford

and it is getting to the point where they are trying to defeat spam filters. If you abuse my inbox, fuck you. If I don't complain about it? Fuck me.

[JI7]

21. so why don't you just get off the list or delete them ?

[whereisjustice]

22. "delete them" I get 80 to 100 a day. Are you serious? Often they are written with subject

that does not reveal their begging underneath. It is automation gone bat shit crazy.

As far as "unsubscribing" Everyday I dutifully went to each and every goddamn website to unsubscribe - taking more time.

I doesn't work. It's a joke. They just come in from other sources.

These are computer programs wasting unknown manhours of peoples time.

It's more than just annoying it is abuse of the email system.

What pisses me off is you can make a contribution or send an email in an off year and you don't hear shit.

Then, after over a year, suddenly you are getting 10, then 20, then 50 , then 80 a day. All because of the fine print that says they will share your email with 3rd party.

Once that is done it is like a virus, your email addr spreads, exponentially.

They have effectively figured out how to defeat common spam filters as well by using fake subject lines like "hey, Jim just wanted to let you know what I'm up to...

[JI7]

25. not sure but i don't have that problem

i usually get off a list right away. since i pay attention myself to what is going on i will go to a candidates website or whatever when i want to on my own instead of waiting for an email.

i almost never get on political email lists now.

[rufus dog]

33. set up a new gmail account and donate under a name not used

So Rufus becomes "Rufie" they usually start the emails with Hi Rufie, I see it in the preview and delete. Problem solved.

I am sure I am getting a boatload, can't say I have read one in months.

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. My filter works just fine ...

Spent 7 emails and unsubscribed twice, adjusted my filter ... and haven't got a single Begmail.

[NanceGreggs]

48. My time is worth something, too.

And it takes all of a few seconds to delete unwanted emails from my Inbox when I log-on in the morning. I usually do it while having my first cup of coffee.

It's not hard to do. Only one hand required. Physical exertion = minimal.

I hope your badly abused Inbox recovers from the trauma.

[Major Hogwash]

56. And it's about time we get rid of Mitch McConnell!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not one bit worried about that race after thinking about it all day.

It will be close, an old-fashioned nail biter perhaps, but Grimes is going to win this race!!!

[humbled_opinion]

16. I don't think so....

Maybe candidates should embrace Democratic values and positions and explain why our ideas are better than the Cons, maybe instead of running away from policies that this President has put in place and maybe not waving a gun around is the right move. The further right we move the more I dislike our party, why would I send money to support republicon light? There is a lesson here and that lesson is stand on principle stop running from progressive values, embrace them.

[redruddyred]

17. when we don't give money, who must they fall back on?

and we wonder why we have no influence on the political process.

[Hoppy]

18. First of all, I'm from New Jersey. It's yiz, not yous.

Having settled that, donate to Blue America. You will get more for your money and fuck the DCCC.

[zentrum]

19. It's not just...

....that they don't do what we want. It's that they're such lousy politicians and lose on policy no matter how much money we give them. Grimes won't say Obama's name. No democrat except Bill Clinton and Elizabeth Warren can even explain Obamacare.

They should be winning on the merits of the case but they are so weak at making the case. They should be talking like populists and instead they talk like old style republicans. They should be wining on the existence of Obamacare alone and instead they run and hide from it. That's incompetent behavior for a politician.

Rove knows you always energize the base but the Democratic leaders seem to hate the base as interfering with their right drifting tendencies.

Still, I sent money to select candidates. Hard to trust the DSCC.

[whereisjustice]

23. +1, it is getting worse every year. The more they automate, the worse they serve us.

[WillyT]

24. Why Would I Give What Little Money I Have... To An Organaztion With Its Head So Far Up Its Ass ???

[Blue_In_AK]

26. You're not going to guilt trip me.

I give as much money as I can to my local candidates. I'm not rich. If I gave to everyone who hits me up for money daily (at least 15 email requests every day), I wouldn't be able to pay my bills.

[Rex]

28. Wow you told them!

[Starry Messenger]

29. Do you think they might use the money to hire a competent fundraising campaign manager?

They fucked up, that's not on us. There are trained professionals that do great jobs at this.

This was not one of them. They can see their open rates and the rate at which people have unsubscribed. If someone isn't fired over this, I will be surprised.

[ZombieHorde]

38. Ha!

I don't give them any money, and I complain about weird shit, like math, because I'm a crazy person, but this OP make me giggle.

[Rex]

43. Excellent!

[ZombieHorde]

46. Yes! nt

[davidpdx]

45. So all of the people on the linked thread who stated they were irritated

have not given money and then complained about the DSCC? I don't think so. I was one of the ones who commented on the thread you linked, but have not said a word about the later. I have donated specifically to Grimes and will be donating again today.

Some of us don't have the money to give hand over fist time and time again, but still want to take part in other things that could help. That's legitimate.

I see five threads here, here, here, here, and here. Then one thread stating her fundraising here and another thread basically saying the same thing as the op here.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. I suspect they would get results just as good if they limited it to one email a week.

If enough people are complaining about it, it's a problem. Overly aggressive fundraising is a problem, it annoys people, and past a certain point it is counter-productive.

When Terry McAuliffe was head of the DNC, his irritatingly aggressive fundraising in '96 was legendary. I made the mistake of offhandedly giving the DNC a work number when I donated (you know, where they ask for "work number&quot , Terry McAulliffe practically got me fired because the DNC wouldn't stop calling, over and over.

[JustAnotherGen]

54. I'm one of them

But I was clear after the Barbara Buono campaign - a nearly flawless progressive with a strong record of liberal legislation in NJ being abandoned by the national leadership last year - that I was driving my money directly to the candidates in NJ.

It's too bad about Grimes - but I have Booker and Kovach to send to DC. So my money went directly to them. I didn't even open my wallet for Grayson - which traditionally I've done because he is so pugnacious.

[Scuba]

58. I only donate directly to candidates whose values represent my own.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. +100 and adding in

Who will represent my interests - in my community.

The only way to get the candidates we can get behind is to get away from the party leadership - going behind their backs to get what we want is the only way to 'git er done.

[99Forever]

60. The beatings will continue until moral improves.

Got it.

The fucking nerve of people to not give their hard earned funds to those that won't do squat for them.

[DiverDave]

61. how about you spend YOUR money

The way you see fit, and I'll spend mine the way I see fit?

[cbayer]

64. Locking

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