CDC says Ebola patient traveled on flight from Cleveland on Monday

[liberal N proud]

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday — the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday.

Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on her flight — Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.

The hospital worker was involved in the care of a Liberian man who died of Ebola last week at a Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.

A release from Frontier states:

“On the morning of Oct. 14, the second healthcare worker reported to the hospital with a low-grade fever and was isolated. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms that the second healthcare worker who tested positive last night for Ebola traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she reported symptoms.

http://fox8.com/2014/10/15/cdc-notifies-frontier-passengers-says-ebola-patient-traveled-on-flight-from-cle-monday/

[woodsprite]

1. OK, you knew you took care of Duncan and that he died from Ebola

You know that it's not past the incubation period. You know that our govt etc. is not going to quarantine you or limit your actions, but you're in the healthcare field and should know to

SELF QUARANTINE YOUR OWN ASS!

Not get on a freakin' plane and potentially spread it to someone, or a bunch of someones.

And what about the people in Cleveland she was with up until she got on that plane.

[liberalhistorian]

3. People like that infuriate me.

Selfish, self-absorbed, thoughtless, considering only themselves and not how their actions affect others. Kinda reminds me of the anti-vaxxers, frankly.

[hamsterjill]

17. It's the "it won't happen to ME" syndrome.

What I do not understand about all of this ebola issue is why ANYONE involved at all would not voluntarily promote complete and utter overkill in making sure that no one else becomes infected. Stay home, self-monitor, be monitored by officials - ALL of the above and more.

I mean, if ever there was a situation where we need overkill...THIS is it!

[arthritisR_US]

19. The first nurse did exactly what you are proposing.

She wouldn't even allow her priest, family or friends to visit her flat.

[hamsterjill]

24. And that's exactly what she should have done!

THAT's being a true hero. Making sure. Being certain. Going the extra mile. Going above and beyond what is suggested. Being selfless. Purposely taking precautions to minimize any risk whatsoever. Twenty-one days is not that long!

Kudos to Nina Pham for caring about others!

[amandabeech]

25. Really, that first nurse set a stellar example for the others.

I sincerely hope that she recovers. If this outbreak continues, she would be marvelous for speaking out about what to do if you think that you may have the disease. She could save lives.

[arthritisR_US]

40. A good mate of mine who lives in the area said

concerned people (loved ones?) went to her flat to take her dog out and she wouldn't open the door. She was taking the dog out between 1 AM and 6 AM.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Wonder if she stayed in a hotel? Nobody ever really cleans/disinfects those

rooms very well.

[Ms. Toad]

73. She was visiting her parents within an easy drive of the airport.

Extremely unlikely she stayed in a hotel.

[bklyncowgirl]

7. You also have Dr. Nancy Schneiderman from NBC out and about in public.

Once again someone who knew better but didn't do what she should have done.

[TwilightGardener]

10. She's just a fucking idiot. A doctor, who is a selfish idiot.

[LisaL]

14. Nancy didn't actually have Ebola.

Unlike the person that flew from Cleveland to Dallas despite being at risk for Ebola, who was supposed to have been monitored.

[Little Star]

18. True but Nancy should be setting an example. She's an idiot for..

going out especially after announcing a self quarantine. Dumb, arrogant hypocrite!

Everyone else needs to follow quarantine rules except for important people like me. Besides I was bored. Love, Nancy

[arthritisR_US]

23. When was she out and about? This is the

first I'm hearing of this

[Little Star]

26. Someone from TMZ caught her out getting..

food from her favorite restaurant.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/13/dr-nancy-snyderman-ebola-quarantine-statement-symptoms-nbc-news/

[amandabeech]

27. She and a friend got in a car and went to pick up some take-out soup.

She didn't get out of the car, which is something, but she really set a bad example.

Why she couldn't have just had the friend pick up the soup for her and set it on her porch, I don't know.

[LisaL]

71. I believe that freind was a member of her crew that was also supposed to have been under

quarantine.

[amandabeech]

72. Stupid, stupid, stupid people. Filled with hubris. n/t

[CTyankee]

28. MSNBC reported today that Nancy has apologized...

[Little Star]

29. Day late, dollar short

[arthritisR_US]

35. No kidding. If I were her I would not have allowed

anyone to even come to my home. What a fecking idiot she is

[Little Star]

39. NBC needs to terminate her employment for..

that stupid stunt. How can anyone be expected to give her any credibility now? I know I certainly don't.

[arthritisR_US]

44. I have to agree! nt

[CTyankee]

37. She might find herself out of her job on MSNBC as a result of her poor judgement...

if she can't set a decent example to the rest of the country she shouldn't be in a position to be an authority on public health issues. She might get a stern reprimand from her medical overseers. This could damage her career...

[Little Star]

41. Just said the same thing above.

[CTyankee]

47. You did it better than I did! sorry, I need to read more thoroughly...

At first I thought she wouldn't get any guff for it, bad as it was. But now I am seeing some wiser heads and hearing wiser voices.

I think you are right. She feels entitled. She's really out of touch...

[Little Star]

58. I was just agreeing with you not...

meaning that only I could say it. I'm the one who's sorry if I made you feel that way.

[CTyankee]

61. don't be silly! you DID say it better than I.

It's all good, I pinky swear!

[Little Star]

62. You are one of my favorites here.....

Plus you hail from the city I was born in .

[CTyankee]

63. aw, thanks.

I 'preciate that!

[LisaL]

46. I know that.

But Nancy wasn't actually infectious.
Unlike this Ebola patient. Who was supposed to have been monitored. Instead she is flying all over the freaking country.
CDC knew people who took care of Mr. Duncan were at high risk of getting Ebola after first nurse tested positive.

[arthritisR_US]

42. To be fair, the nurses symptom's didn't present

till the next day or so. However, she should have known better!

[LisaL]

43. How do we know they didn't?

I am very suspicious about the timing here.
She flew back to Dallas and the next day she went to the hospital.

[arthritisR_US]

48. For now I'm just going by what has been reported. The

disease, like the flu, is such that one day you're fine and the next the aches and pains of fever present.

[hamsterjill]

13. I agree!

Thanks for stating the obvious, even though some will probably disagree.

It would seem to me that a health care worker should probably be expected to THINK about this even if she were not quarantined by order, particularly if she were a party to discussions about conditions within the hospital and the approach to Mr. Duncan's care (i.e., NOT having the proper equipment, nurse's necks being left uncovered, etc.) that the nurse's union made the statement about today.

All that can be gained from this at this point in time is the hope that with each bumbled step, someone else will learn.

[LisaL]

16. My understanding is that people with contact to Duncan were supposed to have been monitored.

I don't understand the monitoring where it's o'key for them to fly all over the freaking country.
Especially since CDC said more could have been infected by Mr. Duncan.

[Little Star]

20. Yep

[City Lights]

51. I don't get that type of "monitoring" either.

I am just baffled by this.

[uponit7771]

67. I think this is the root of the matter, "monitored" in context could mean a bunch of things

[City Lights]

69. I've seen a couple of different meanings.

One article stated that "monitoring" meant being visited by a public health worker twice a day to take the contact’s temperature and ask them if they are experiencing any symptoms. Another article said it meant that if you start experiencing symptoms you should contact the CDC.

[arthritisR_US]

31. I agree. Duncan wasn't a health care 'professional'

so unlike others who have crucified him I don't think he understood his risk. This latest nurse was handling him when his viral load was sky high and exponentially growing. Although authorities labeled the first group at higher risk (when he first presented to the hospital with a 103 degree fever) his viral load was much lower and I think it's the second group that is at greater risk. I think the second group should have been put are far more restrictive quarantine

[Catherine Vincent]

36. I totally agree

If I was assigned taking care of an ebola patient, I would have stayed away from family members and others for 3 weeks just to be sure.

[jwirr]

45. Agreed. Hopefully she did not have the fever when she was flying and the 132 people are okay. We

need to start using our brains when it comes to travel right now and that is especially true for those who have come in contact with an Ebola patient in any way. It begins to look like the people at the Texas hospital truly did not understand the danger of ebola. CDC or the corporate hospital?

[leftynyc]

50. Same thing Nancy Snyderman

did. NBC should have fired her for that. This nurse showed some of the worst judgement I can imagine and frankly, I wouldn't trust her to feed my cat. I guess she's paying for that now.

[liberalhistorian]

2. And she was not only

not quarantined but permitted to fly because?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[woodsprite]

5. They have no problems adding people to a "no fly" list for stupid shit

How easy would it be to put all those contacts, caregivers, etc. on a 60-day "no fly" list.

You come in contact with Ebola, you're added to the list -- no exceptions!

I said 60 days because now they're saying that the incubation period can be up to 40+ days.

[liberalhistorian]

8. A very good point

and I completely agree.

[Little Star]

21. bingo

[LisaL]

57. She wasn't supposed to have been traveling.

So WTF was she?

"Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

[liberalhistorian]

70. Exactly. There is simply no excuse

for allowing her to fly, let alone not quarantining those who'd cared for Duncan. Especially since the hospital does not have the high level biocontainment facilities that Nebraska and Atlanta do.

[nc4bo]

4. And the wingers' FEMA/Ebola camp fantasy/nightmare will be in someone's thoughts because

people, regardless of education, employment, religion, race...whattheeffever, will behave stupidly human.

Now what?

[LisaL]

9. Why were they flying when even CDC knew more of them could have been infected?

This is ridiculous.

[kdmorris]

11. Why the hell was she flying anywhere???

Oy, what a charlie foxtrot.

[LisaL]

12. Especially since CDC said more could be infected, and they were supposedly being monitored.

Why is this employee flying all over the freaking country?

[kdmorris]

15. Yep

My point exactly...

[maxrandb]

22. Hope she didn't fly to Cleveland

for the Browns-Steelers game.

Want to track down 75K+ people?

What concerns me is that this could get out of hand. Fear and panic are never a good thing, but there are some major concerns with this.

Don't some places convert sewage into fertilizer to use for farming? What happens when a sick person flushes ebola infected waste down the toilet and it ends up in some farmer's corn field?

With a large population of rats who live in sewage, could they transmit it?

What about misquitoes and flees? Weren't flees a major carrier of the Plague?

I'm not a scientist, and I know absolutely nothing about ingectious disease, other than you can catch them, and I think that is the major problem. People just don't know.

[kestrel91316]

60. Sewage treatment processes inactivate all pathogens, though a couple of uncommon protozoan parasites

do need special treatment if present. Ebola can survive for over a week in wet bodily fluids, but if you add in all the other chemicals and stuff in the sewers, it has to die off pretty fast. It is NOT what's known as a "hardy" virus. THANK GOD.

I wouldn't want to be a sewer maintenance worker downstream of any hospital with Ebola patients, though. Or any home with a patient shedding the virus.

Once the treated effluent comes out the other end, there are no live viruses in it.

And yes, I know a thing or two about the microbiology of water and sewage from my undergraduate days. The professor who taught that class was also my employer and adviser.

[liberal N proud]

66. But occasionally, raw sewage gets dumped in to the Lake in Cleveland

There are many times when they close the beaches here for bacteria from sewage runoff.

You couldn't get me in Lake Erie.

[liberal N proud]

65. 75K x all the people they contact

[bobthedrummer]

30. The CDC is lying about everything. And still you put your trust in their perception mangement?

[Earth_First]

32. How many airline staff does this also affect?

The article mentions the 132 passengers on the flight, however how many airline crew members had contact on the flight as well?

This number could easily approach 150 individuals...

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Not good...

I'm waiting on one of the medical staff to test positive and reveal later that they went to the Cowboys-Texans game the other day.

[B2G]

34. And her mother just got on a plane down to Dallas

to be with her.

She was visiting her family in Ohio. So she was potentially exposed. So hey, let's put her on a plane.

My god. Is anyone in charge here?

[Jesus Malverde]

38. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job,"...nt

[LisaL]

49. Ebola patient visited Kent State Campus while in OH.

Here name is:
Amber Joy Vinson

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/10/dallas_ebola_patient_visited_k.html#incart_related_stories

[Little Star]

54. Damn.

[LisaL]

59. Was there some big game?

[nc4bo]

56. Well this just gets better and better.

[LisaL]

64. Doesn't it though?

Ebola.
The gift that keeps on giving.
I can't believe how horribly this was handled, after assurances that there is nothing at all to worry about.
A patient infected with Ebola flying commercial airline, and attending University campus.
When she was supposed to have been monitoring her fever and not flying commercial airline.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

55. Cleveland local TV is on it.

All have interrupted their programming (ironically, not Fox).

They have reporters live from the airport. Not sure why, except asking travelers if they are afraid.

Frontier has moved its plane to a remote runway.

[MineralMan]

68. Now, that's disappointing.

What was she thinking?