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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCashless society...yes or no? Pros or cons?
Today, 80% of all transactions in Sweden are done electronically, or by debit card.
OTOH, countries such as Italy where cash is still preference numero uno. Italians use cash for three-quarters of transactions.
That is due to the low confidence in the authorities and the banking system,
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/sweden-leads-cashless-transactions/
So, whatcha think?
and why?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)The older you are the more cash is used. The younger you are the more comfortable you are using debit cards. I am Gen X so we are in the middle and probably use a combination of both. Not that everyone is 100 percent committed to that scenario.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)But I'm also a picker and frequent flea markets and yard sales where cash is the only medium of exchange.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I got it for $150, an older La-Z-Boy in great shape. Recliners on both ends. Has been my bed until I can find a mattress.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)most transactions under $100. It helps me to spend less on things I might not really need if I see the cash leaving my pocket. I also am not a fan of leaving a money trail on my spending habits.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)will make it to employees' pockets rather than get 'disappeared' because of shady employer practices. No waitperson I've ever asked has objected to the tip in cash!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)For me it's purchases under $50 dollars, but same principle. I'm also concerned about the data aggregators and wish that we had modern privacy laws to limit data mining.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)cards needed to get the deals at the grocery store (which I hate). However, I never fill oit the form with my name and address. I make one up. I also make up a license plate number if I'm asked for one when checking into a hotel.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)You and me both.
My dog gets the bonus card in his name, and he signs up for a lot of the dumb sites online.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Somebody else had already registered it for me.
djean111
(14,255 posts)going cashless would, IMO, just be a huge opportunity for the banks to rip off even more money in the form of fees to buyers and sellers. There would have to be a really strict set of rules and regulations about this.
Bwahahahaha! Cracked mahself up, there, I did!
Peacetrain
(22,873 posts)it is no bodys buisness but my own.. cashless data base.. will be used in the future.. take that one to the bank.. I can see some insurance company getting hold of it, and saying.. well lets see here ..you have a history of eating 2 snickers bars a week.. hmmmm you are contributing to your future possibilities of having diabetes.. sorry but you will not be covered if that happens
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)I like coins, myself; nice little chunks of metal with some heft to them....
VScott
(774 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)I'm afraid to use my debit card almost anywhere anymore. And I'm changing my savings account to a different bank from my checking account since my current bank can't prevent the debit card from being tied to both accounts. Bad enough someone could wipe out my checking account, I just can't see taking any chance that those scumbags would have access to my savings, as well. No thank you!
Jim__
(14,072 posts)At least not until we can secure electronic transactions.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,315 posts)PHUCK APPLE.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Lol. Well ok I am. I don't think America would survive without Apple. 10 years ago yes. Today....no way!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I manage just fine without smart phones.
Johonny
(20,827 posts)American paranoia seems to be at an all time high. Still many younger people are using debit cards more and more, direct depositing their checks, and transactions on the Internet are increasing so generationally we are moving toward a cashless society. You can see it happening during the past 20 years. People's paranoid about the information age with its good and bad quantities are unlikely to be able to push back on the obvious change toward a cashless society. A certain amount of cashless transactions would seem to go hand in hand with the information age. Will society ever become completely "cash" free. Do people still barter from time to time? Do people still hoard gold and silver? So there are likely limits to any system.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)They started with welfare type checks being electronic deposits, then food stamps, and as of 2013, Soc. Sec. checks are now direct deposit.
If you did not want your check to be directly deposited, or did not have a bank account, they sent debit cards, ones that had fees on them for getting any cash out of them.
J.P. Morgan/Chase has the contract to make and send the cards and gets paid well for it, in addition to fees it charges for use.
Johonny
(20,827 posts)For most millennial I know this is not a problem. I'm one of the few people I work with that gets a paper check. When I go out to eat 40> carry cash 30< used debit cards. I think the economic transition of the information age is simply pushing cash free. The more used to/grew up in the information age the less you see the change. I don't see a problem with the government moving with the information age, but
Fees, hacking, identity thief are a problem! No doubt about it. However they all exist in the cash world too. If we had a responsive government then it would be less of a problem. Our problem is our Government is moving very slow to deal with problems of the information age in the oversight area while other areas of the government plunge feet first in. Hence very low acceptance and paranoia over this, particularly the older you get. I don't like the idea of a cash free world but when I see people at the farmers market with the credit card adapter on their Iphone... I know it is coming. In the real world we lose money to mint a penny, in the electronic world you can carry money to many decimal points. It is coming. I hope my congress moves out of the stone age and addresses the many issues involved as soon as their tubes get unblocked
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Which was addressed nicely in Minority Report.
Once all your income is tied into grid, someone can deliberately or accidentally erase you, cutting off all options.
Having options on how to obtain/ use a resource ( money IS a resource) feels far more comfortable to a lot of us.
Johonny
(20,827 posts)But to think cashless society is not here already and going to be more and more incorporated seems unlikely. It is so strongly tied to the information age. Frankly they've been able to lock up your bank accounts for ages so the Minority Report is not something to freak out about Most people with any amount of money don't keep it in a mason jar under Funk and Wagnal's porch
My problem is pretty easy to state. Last year Target had a huge hacking of its information. There was almost zero response from our government. There is basically no requirements on private industry on how the store your financial data. It a huge game of trust me on the market right now. It reminds my of the roaring 20s. The stock exchanges were set up as a regulated market to replace old forms of often untrustworthy stock transactions. But in the 20s a larger percentage of the society moved into stocks in the self regulated stock exchanges was by no means good enough. Needless to say the lesson learned in the 30s on regulation of new economics was completely forgotten in the past 10+ years. On top of that you have the new information age where people want to carry money on cards, phones, instant internet transactions, etc. People want it, it is here to stay and it is rather nicer than carrying lumps of worthless paper around. A dollar bill during a crisis has less value than a can of baked beans. Cash and value can be rather relative (see cigarettes and prisons). But it is also almost all without any regulations. Targets penalty for being lazy with their information is/was minimum. It is Rand Paul's world of the idea that if people don't like it they won't shop there, but that philosophy never really works well. Eventually either the government is going to wake up and enter the information age or... so far we spent a lot of money on targeting the hackers by the NSA. It is rather amusing that the biggest hacking of the past few years is the NSA own employee walking off with their data to Russia. You'd think all this would get a big rise on "good" with the economy Republicans, but it is free market keep on sailing with them. To me the complete lack of rules, guidelines, and regulations from our government is the reason I'm weary of the cashless society. Just look at the bitcoin company that disappeared overnight with everyone's "money". Regulations are not a dirty word. If you don't have trust in a currency, economic system etc.. you are in trouble. The world trusts the US economy and has since WWII. We work hard to ruin that trust but so far we are still one of the better games in town. God help us when that's gone and it seems without regulation it has to go, don't it.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Read it a day or 2 ago.
As you say, we have worked hard at reducing the trust in this country.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Several friends of mine do the same. No problems.
randome
(34,845 posts)What few seem to understand is that everything is already run digitally. If you get a receipt, the transaction is stored somewhere.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I don't ask questions, and don't pry as to why not, what it's about - I get my snack/purchase, get my change, and go on about my business.
ret5hd
(20,486 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Never needed it but just a security blanket.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)Power outages.
Hurricanes.
Tornadoes.
Floods.
Blizzards.
Derechos.
Government shutdowns.
Easier to freeze funds.
Easier to steal funds.
Rural areas still do not have internet access.
Those living in poverty can not afford the internet.
The banks will make a fortune off the debit cards. (think EBT cards=food stamps)
The banks have too much control.
They are too big to fail.
Why would anyone in their right mind give these criminals even more control ???
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)3 times in 2 years the ONE computer line to our town has been accidentally severed by workers.
Outage lasted for the day, and no stores could use their registers for debit/credit cards, nor could gas get pumped.
No banks/ATMS worked.
Twice it happened on a Friday, which is the payday around here for most people.
cash worked, tho.
underpants
(182,719 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)around with me. I still do it though, but I would love a cash-free world.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)at Diebold are working on that right now.
hunter
(38,309 posts)Leave the Ferengi and pirates their Gold-Pressed Latinum.
A sophisticated society don't need no stinkin' money.
We play poker with craft-beer tokens.
All the basic necessities of life are free, the hideous dangerous or mind-numbing jobs are all done by machines, and everyone who doesn't truly love their career enjoys a twenty hour work week, early retirements, and long vacations.
This is the 21st century, people. Why are we still suffering patched-up-hand-me-down 19th century economic systems?
If we have the computer power to create a "cashless" money based economy then we have the power to create something better.
randome
(34,845 posts)I think capitalism, even the concept of money, is hard-wired into the species. That doesn't mean we can't refute it but we don't.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
hunter
(38,309 posts)My parents are artists. They live in a rain forest, drink and wash with water that falls on their roof, and eat locally grown food.
My dad had a union job somewhat related to his art so he earned a decent retirement.
Everyone in our family who has money got there by accident.
The rest of us are perpetually starving artists, scientists, dreamers, and altruists.
I may die on the streets, and I've been homeless as a young man, but it's still "just money." There's something odd, unnatural, and even distasteful about distilling most everything humans do into a single metric.
My own "hard-wiring" evolved long before there was money. The reality of most human history, going back millions of years if you like, was to live within a community of people who shared, or more dangerously, not sharing, leaving the community, and living entirely alone.
Money as we know it now is a recent invention. Trade measured by diverse metrics and simple sharing are what we, as a social species, are "hard-wired" to do. Money is a recent invention.
Of all the intelligent social species on earth (there are quite a few) only modern urban humans relate almost everything to money. I think that's a failing, not an accomplishment, and one of the root causes of the current mass extinction event.
Nature will restore herself and your money will be worthless. We as humans can hold onto our money and become just as worthless and extinct, or we can let go of our money and live on in some kind of harmony with our own nature and the nature of life on earth.
randome
(34,845 posts)I mean that. But the overwhelming majority of humans seem to think that an exchange of numbers is something we can't do without. It must be that way or else we would have stumbled upon Utopia centuries ago. Nothing is stopping us from achieving that but ourselves.
Computer technology is a relatively recent invention, too, but I think we're hard-wired for that, too.
But like I said, we can, and should, try to resist our 'programming' to better ourselves. That's something else our species is good at.
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dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Guaranteed minimum income would at least be a good start in destroying the sick corporate doctrine that at least 40-hours of toil per week, whether the work is actually needed or not, are required for self-worth and to be a worthy citizen.
How often now in the careful rhetoric of our corporate owners and their politicians is our identity reduced to "workers" or "hardworking Americans"?
You are right. We are capable of building something much more humane and fitting to our technological capabilities, centered around people rather than profit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=921052
Cut the bureaucracy and the skimming off the top of social programs by vultures.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/rethinking-the-idea-of-a-basic-income-for-all/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/wheeler-minimum-income/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/02/17/guaranteed_basic_income_the_real_alternative_to_the_minimum_wage.html
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)If we didn't have the cash we had to save. It took away a lot of the "I want that" impulse buying.
We, however, did use our credit cards for emergency purchases...i.e. a new refrigerator when the old one died one day. But, we budgeted to pay off the card as soon as possible.
Worked for us.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Like the two of you together. I bet you were relieved when the President used 250 thousand as the threshold for raising taxes. You both have a combination of 247 thousand dollars which makes it a bit easier to pay cash. The refrigerator was over 2500 for stainless steel which you paid off in a few months. Most of us it would take a few years to pay it off. However I am not jealous just saying it is easier when you make loads of money and then can enjoy an incredible retirement. Your next World cruise is when???? Enjoy!!!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Our combined salaries just before retirement was about $65k. The refrigerator was less than $500 and we still have it 15 years later.
We started seriously saving for retirement 15 years before we retired. We decided what we wanted in retirement, a nice place to live, and a lot of books to read when retired. We saved by cutting out the luxuries and entertainment and impulse buying with credit cards.
As I said, it worked for us.
And, we chose not to have kids.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)We're responsible and frugal and now enjoy your lives.
hunter
(38,309 posts)We thought we had "good" health insurance. Surprise!
That 20% can still be a BIG BIG number. More so when newly chronic health issues disrupt income.
Now we have no credit. Student loans for our kids' college have us even deeper in the hole.
It would be nice to be a citizen of a true first world nation, a nation with a national health care plan and inexpensive or free education, but these are the cards we've been dealt.
And it's only money. Nobody chooses the nation of their birth and we could have been born in places much, much worse than this U.S.A..
I'm always friendly with telephone debt collectors. They have some of the worst jobs on earth. Them that are trapped in bad circumstances because they need a job, any job, appreciate that. And them that would judge and enjoy tormenting medical debt deadbeats like myself are always burned by my friendly demeanor.
valerief
(53,235 posts)the PTB doesn't know ***you've*** purchased. It's almost like having some kind of magical power.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and I suspect all over the country.
Down here, cash price is around 10-15% less than writing a check.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Also, what about garage, sidewalk sales and Craig's list?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Everyone already can purchase a handheld credit card machine. At a garage sale the buyer gives you the card and you put it in your machine hooked up to your IPhome and transaction is done. Even allows for adding a tip. Homeless I don't know....but I am sure something will be found to help.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The bank not only charges for the machine but they also levy a monthly charge and transaction fees on top of that. Likely, you will also be tagged as a retailer and would have to file for #1) A fictitious business name ($47.00), take out a legal ad in a paper ($39.00) and get a seller's license ($250.00), and charge the buyer sales tax and file and pay the sales tax.
And help the homeless? Hahaha!!! Towns and cities can't seem to find enough ways to harm the homeless. From denying free food give aways in public parks, to destroying homeless camps, to no sit/lie down laws.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)When the inevitable happens. Some don't want the mark either but I am sure we are heading that direction where all transactions are done by a chip in our bodies. Many said they will go out to the woods and live off the land then get anything on their bodies. Everyone will adjust to whatever happens. We naturally do.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Imagine all you have on you is an ATM card.
Got cash? No? Sorry.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Everything.
Iggo
(47,545 posts)Cash is King.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)I use cash often because it helps keep expenses in control... no cash$$$ literally means no purchase!
I tip in cash and prefer to do so... wait staff at restaurants I frequent like it as well, and like me for it.
Too many security breaches with electronic transactions. So, I do not use a debit card... ever... Cash for small purchases; check (yes, I still use those) or credit card for larger (>$100) purchases and monthly household bills.
Once a month I withdraw what I call my cash stash (learned this from my Depression era father). I go to the bank to do so. During one such visit, the teller (a nice young man) said: you can do this electronically with a debit card. I replied that if I did everything electronically, there would be no need for him and he would be unemployed! Now, he greets me heartily.
I will keep cash and checks until they pry them from....
tosh
(4,422 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)raccoon
(31,106 posts)What are they supposed to do?
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Ok, bad idea. Just ask Jerry Springer?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,829 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Spanish and Mexican silver 8 Reales (pieces of eight) circulated heavily in the young United States.
Euro, Swiss Francs or Chinese Yuan would become our new cash.
hunter
(38,309 posts)Many of our politicians do this.
Create a Political Action Committee and everything is legal.
Lingerie modeling, massages, escorts... that's small time stuff.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Would they all have card swiping machines and would they be trusted?
underpants
(182,719 posts)They cash their pay checks and pay everything in cash. I don't see that changing much anytime soon.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It seems high. Senior citizens for example have to have direct deposit now a days. I think maybe 5 percent don't have bank accounts. And that may be too high.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)encompassing 17 million adults.
says Google search.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)underpants
(182,719 posts)You can cash a check and pay everything - phone, power, even rent
underpants
(182,719 posts)So my number was high. I had heard this several places including the old man on "Pawnstars". They cash checks too. He said it in a " they don't know where else to go" compassionate way, for him especially.
308,747,716 population
23.3% under 18
Multiply
Subtract
Divide into 17,000,000
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)1.25% back on everything else. Why use cash?
Yes, I pay my credit card bills off every month.
name not needed
(11,660 posts)DustyJoe
(849 posts)have walked out of too many stores after shopping to get up to the register to see 'no debit/credit transactions' because their ISP or phone lines were out.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts).... and would say that next thing after it would be RFID tags in the palm or forehead to identify you when you purchased and to access your funds. They won't accept any solution that makes it where the government knows too much about what you buy or sell, or tries to limit the people who could buy or sell to those with credit or debit cards.
Plus, it'd eliminate things like garage sales unless you wanted to pay a 5% fee to the credit card companies to do automatic purchases. I like barter and yard sales, so that's why I'd disagree with such a system.
But the fundies would have a shitfit.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's not just about sending money somewhere, it's also about receiving it. If someone at a garage sale agrees to lower the price, you 'beam' that amount from your phone to his/hers.
Transaction complete.
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moriah
(8,311 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
moriah
(8,311 posts)It's 5% to use the little one on your phone that they're selling people.
randome
(34,845 posts)Because my bank charges nothing. I admit to not having a complete grasp on how the rest of the country operates but it probably depends on the bank and the seller.
The only 'convenience fee' I pay is a $2 charge when my daughters' lunch accounts are automatically refreshed. That rankles me but I don't pay anything else on utilities, car payment, groceries, etc.
It's all automated. I check my bank account online and have my auto-payments on my calendar so I'm not caught off guard.
I write a mere 2 checks a month, one to my mother and one to my ex.
My debit card is backed by Visa. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
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moriah
(8,311 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And they're selling hardware, trying to recoup the cost by charging like a subscription service. It's a business model that works but I don't like it, either.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
moriah
(8,311 posts)At least with cash, all of your money is going to the business/seller. But I bet there'd be far fewer garage sales if they all had to be done over devices like those so the person could swipe their card and pay. My old landlord had one of those but charged 5% on top of rent to use it, to make up for the fee.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's not quite ready for wide adoption but it's getting there.
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logosoco
(3,208 posts)Going to yard sales and rummage sales. I am not going to use my debit card for a $.50 purchase. Plus deals from Craigslist require cash pretty much. And I haven't yet met anyone selling pot who takes anything but cash.
I think having cash in hand does change my attitude toward spending.
Also I need cash because I have a piggy bank that was labeled as being able to hold $800 in quarters, so all my coins go in there. Occasionally we take the nickels and dimes out. It is my life goal to see if it really does hold that much. It is maybe 1/3 full now.
cheyanne
(733 posts)Some people don't even have bank account much less debit cards. Who's going to be paying all the fees on this: somehoe I feel it won't be the banks. . .
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)I'll never see it but the closer we get the happier I'll be. No more filthy germ ridden tokens which are either absurdly fragile or ridiculously heavy compared to value. No more easily lost or stolen geegaws which tempt muggers and conmen. No more educationally subnormal cashiers struggling mightily to work out how much to give back for a $9.49 purchase when given a $10 bill and two quarters. No more millions upon millions wasted on producing near worthless cupro-nickel discs just because they bear an image of a president who once lived in a state which now has 20 electoral votes. No more jangling bulging pockets with discolored patches from wear. No more wrapping for the sake of a couple of dollars or giving 20% commissions to machines that do it for you. No more confusion for the vision impaired due to the arrogance of a mint that refuses to use different sizes and sufficiently different colors for notes even though the rest of the world has done so for decades. No more frustration with feeding vending machines that won't accept anything but iron-crisp bills (even though the same bill slots at token-using amusement venues will accept anything better than a 5 year old's drawing of a bill) about 15 yeas after European and Asian machines went card-driven. No more dealing with dishonest staff (or customers in reverse!) who are just sure you gave them a $10 with Jackson's picture on it.
Instead I get rebates up to 5%, fraud/loss protection (never needed although I've been almost exclusively digital money for 20 years and a majority online shopper for more than 10), easy if not automatic budget info so I can track what I spend, everything I need in a 1/4" thick smooth sleeve, and never once had issues with electrticity outages (they just wrote the number down to run when the power came back).
So yes an enthusiastic bring it on here.
tritsofme
(17,372 posts)as walking around money, but other than that, all of our daily purchases go on a rewards credit card that is paid off each month. I don't miss cash at all, and I look forward to Apple Pay.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)When a friend needs a couple bucks I can easily give it to them, when I have spare money I can give it to a needy person on the street. A cashless society would actually hurt poor people more than anything else.
ProfessorGAC
(64,951 posts)Why should every transaction a person makes be part of a permanent file? That doesn't work for me.
GAC
derby378
(30,252 posts)When the entire nation experiences a power blackout, your digibucks will be worthless. Say hello to the gold standard.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Do we give street people a card? (I just gave a down-and-out guy 5 bucks this morning.)
Moreover, do you want EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION TRACKED?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)As long as there are illegal things people want, there will be cash, in one form or another.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I purchase everything with my bank debit card. I have not used cash for years.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)For this reason, I am against a cashless system.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)First of all I spend less when I use cash (as opposed to plastic). I buy groceries, etc in cash to keep my budget under control.
Second, many gas stations in NJ offer a cash discount. I'm not going to not take advantage of that.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Not to mention the $0.75 fee.
Besides, I don't want to be THAT traced!
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)The very idea that legal tender would be replaced by plastic is beyond foolish. Much of what we all do involves some cash. No way am I (if I live so long) going to the store and use plastic for a pack of gum or some other small item. Crazy idea from any angle.
I use my debit card when I need to, not because I have to.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)A big disadvantage would be how would you buy illegal drugs? Make a transfer or something?
It would make buy-busts interesting.
MerryBlooms
(11,761 posts)Long live the flea mkt/tag/yard sale!
Mosby
(16,295 posts)The underground economy lives on cash.
At least one a week I see people withdrawing large (more than 5K) amounts of cash out of the bank, it's to pay their employees under the table so they don't have to pay payroll, social security, workman's comp and unemployment taxes.
Anyone been to a costco business center cig room? I watch people pull 15 grand out of their pockets to pay for smokes. Why? Because they hide their sales from the state so they don't have to pay sales tax even though they collected it. It's like a fucking bank in there, supervisors are called in to double count the cash and then they send it through a tube to a cash room.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)He offers a cash discount
He also sells grass fed local beef, same discount.
Not any of my business what he does with his money.
Most of the yard work/handy man/tree cutting in town done on a cash basis.
Local businesses appreciate cash also.
People are pretty independent minded down here.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...because I quite literally wouldn't want to live in such a fucking nightmare world. It would be a totalitarian state in which everyone's movements were tracked all the time, and not just their financial transactions. I hope--even expect--such a world would produce a mass resistance movement and an "illegal" underground currency. It might be worth living, just to aid this movement...but maybe not, either.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)like Bit-Coin.
Untraceable, supposedly.
Some states are freaking out, other states are writing laws to handle it.