Thirty thousand Americans yearly.

[MontyPow]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by azurnoir (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Thirty thousand Americans contract and die from the airborne transmitted Bullet Disease.

Where is the hysteria? Where is the outrage?

WHERE IS THE BULLET CZAR?

[Logical]

1. Counting suicides a little misleading. Nt

[notrightatall]

3. No, it is not.

If not for the airborne bullet, most would be only successful cries for help. Not deaths.

[maddiemom]

56. No, it's less easy to stab, strangle, poison, purposely drown or hang oneself. Granted, jumping

from a great height or an overdose would be easier and surer. Gun suicides are apparently a favorite choice of the severely depressed, however. Not much time to contemplate if a gun is available at a bad time.

[notrightatall]

57. That is my point

[MontyPow]

60. I think it matters. It's like choosing to infect oneself.

Or as the Republicans would have is believe, the volunteers who went abroad to help were committing suicide. I mean "what did they expect would happen?"

[beevul]

79. That ignores the root causes of the airborn bullet.

Or pretends that the causes are all the same, in an effort to convince the gullible that one solution (pre-conceived) will solve it all.


Since the people that cite the thirty thousand number, almost to the last, already have a solution in mind, which coincidentally they happen to all agree on.

[Skittles]

10. why?

my dad died from a self-inflicted bullet to the head; please do tell me why his death does not count

[Dont call me Shirley]

11. I'm so sorry, Skittles

[iscooterliberally]

44. One of my best friends did the same thing too. n/t

[maddiemom]

59. So sorry to hear that. I just posted why I feel suicides should strongly count.

Fortunately no close member of my own family (but a few distant ones) has been a suicide. I have just known so many people, even kids, who've taken this course over my nearly seventy years---and I don't think that's unusual for many of us who come in contact with others through an active professional and social life. In most cases, a gun has made it easy.

[MontyPow]

61. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope this post didn't come across as being unkind.

I think gun deaths are a serious cause for concern, more so than Ebola for our nation.

[neverforget]

78. One of my best friends killed himself last month with a gun

I'm so sorry Skittles.

[indepat]

2. 30,000 thousand deaths annually is a price willingly paid to assure no one's Second

Amendment rights is infringed an iota. Meanwhile, most of the rest of the Bill of Rights is obscenely being shredded daily. If this looks, smells, and quacks like a ludicrous dichotomy, it is a ludicrous dichotomy.

[hack89]

4. 400,000 annual deaths. Where is the CIGARETTE CZAR? nt

[notrightatall]

5. Awaiting Senate confirmation.

[hack89]

6. So he can deal with gun violence too once confirmed

considering that the majority of gun deaths are suicides, the Surgeon General is the perfect choice. Glad we got that settled.

[notrightatall]

7. Cool. Let's give the next Surgeon General the authority to "handle" the gun issue.

Just might work.

[hack89]

8. Suicide prevention is certainly within his sphere of responsibilities

but the Attorney General will not look favorably on him moving into the criminal justice business.

[notrightatall]

9. we will let them fight.

[littlemissmartypants]

12. Mud wrestling, with lots of dirty little microbes? nt

[hack89]

19. It will be entertaining for sure. nt

[notrightatall]

20. or, better yet, they could work togather to eliminate the scourge that is "gun-nuttery"

[hack89]

25. I have no problem cracking down on illegal guns

And those that commit crimes with them.

[eggplant]

35. This just leads to a plowshare trade imbalance. n/t

[notrightatall]

37. we'll deal with that. Fair trade.

[MontyPow]

69. Perfect!

[MontyPow]

68. Nice!

[MontyPow]

62. President Obama should appoint his SG nominee as Ebola Czar!

[closeupready]

13. Cars cause 50x that in US deaths. Why aren't we banning cars?

[notrightatall]

15. Here is a "happy" pic for you:

Aint they cute!!

[kag]

17. Straw man much?

1. YOU MUST HAVE A LICENSE, REGISTRATION, AND INSURANCE TO DRIVE A CAR!!!!! Perhaps if we put THOSE restrictions on gun purchases, we would have fewer massacres in this country.

2. Besides the purpose of a car isn't to kill living creatures. But the purpose of a gun...IS.

3. I get so sick of saying this, but nobody is proposing BANNING guns (except, perhaps for myself and a few other sane people on DU). The efforts are to make sure that the people who own them aren't going to go shoot up an elementary school, movie theatre, or shopping mall.

4. Sigh.

[NutmegYankee]

31. You do NOT need a license, registration, or insurance to drive a car.

You only need those (and in some states no insurance at all) to operate a car on public roadways. You may drive on private property with none of it. Farm vehicles routinely do so.

[beevul]

80. " I get so sick of saying this, but nobody is proposing BANNING guns"

" I get so sick of saying this, but nobody is proposing BANNING guns"


And I get so sick of saying this, but many are, including these noteworthies:




I assume you have at least some passing familiarity with moms demand action, and mikey Bloomberg?

[upaloopa]

51. Well we need to drive to work, to school, home to the store

I don't know why gunners are so thick as to say what you did. You know we also spend a ton on auto safety too! We don't need a gun to go to work or school or home or to the store even though there are those nutty enough to think they do.

[MontyPow]

63. Did anyone call for a ban on guns in this thread?

And are you sure it is 50 times? I think if you check your Maths you'll find it is about 1 times more. That is to say, about the same.

[Carolina]

77. You forgot the sarcasm

smilie...

Cars serve a useful purpose called transportation. Guns on the other hand are useful for destruction and death

[ColesCountyDem]

14. The CDC says there are 11,068 firearm homicides annually.

Firearm suicides account for the remaining 19,990 firearm deaths. In all fairness, it's highly likely that the folks committing suicide would simply use another method, if no firearm were available.

Firearm homicides: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Firearm suicides: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

[notrightatall]

18. Nonsense.

By far , most would not "finish the job" if not for the instantaneous bullet. That is a silly NRA talking point. you too, get this "happy " pic:



now go and play with your "little friends".

[ColesCountyDem]

22. It is not nonsense.

Thank you for being so dismissive of someone whose son committed suicide June 8th, and who will probably forget more about suicide than you will ever know!

[notrightatall]

23. I think you need to re-read a couple of posts.

Your knee-jerk reaction seems a tad misplaced.

[ColesCountyDem]

24. No, my reaction is exactly right, considering how you responded to my post!

I don't want a hidden post, so I won't say what I'm REALLY thinking about your posts and attitude.

[notrightatall]

27. I stand by my statement:

"...most would not have "finished the job if not for the instantaneous bullet."

[ColesCountyDem]

32. And I say 'horse shit'!

Anyone who thinks that not having access to a handgun is magically going to reduce the number of suicides significantly doesn't understand suicide.

[notrightatall]

33. Not so.

You have no idea what my background is, nor my experiences with suicide. And if you care to do some reading, you will see that the evidence is much to the contrary of what you say. Sorry for your loss, but it does not change reality. Try the google, i will not waste any more time with you.

[ColesCountyDem]

36. It is so.

I'll not waste any more time with you, either. I know that I know more about suicide than you do, just from the obvious ignorance shown in your posts.

[notrightatall]

38. .

[Skittles]

47. I agree with you

and I know a LOT about suicide

[notrightatall]

50. As do I, unfortunately.

[Recursion]

26. So, what does that picture mean to you?

You've posted it several times in this thread. What is its significance?

[notrightatall]

28. Just Gunz, for those who like 'em.

[Recursion]

39. Well, what about them?

Seriously. What does that convey?

[notrightatall]

40. Guns?? What do guns convey?

Why, death is what guns convey.

[Recursion]

41. Umm... OK. I'm asking what the significance of your multi-gun graphic was

Are those guns you would like to see banned? Are they guns that should be allowed with a background check? What?

[notrightatall]

42. .

[Recursion]

45. Well, yes, you are being obtuse

I'm asking a pretty straightforward question, and you can't seem to bring yourself to answer it.

[notrightatall]

48. Really, your that confused?? Obtuse is an understatement, apparently.

I DON'T LIKE GUNS. NOT YOUR GUNS. NOT HIS GUNS. NOT TOY GUNS .

Now what is the idiotic point you are trying to make?

[Recursion]

49. I don't own any guns

So it was just tribalism on your part? Gun owners are the "other"?

[notrightatall]

52. "tribalism"??????

First ignore.

[Recursion]

53. Yes, tribalism. I'm still asking what your point was in posting that graphic

Are you concerned about gun policy? I am. What does that graphic add to the discussion? Are those guns you would like to see banned? If (as you seem to suggest) you would like to see all guns banned, why post those in particular?

[beevul]

81. Thats an interesting theory...

Thats an interesting theory, unfortunately when you bounce it off reality, it just isn't so.

If your theory held water at all, considering that there are 300 MILLION guns in America, in the hands of roughly 100 MILLION people,

We would have gun death numbers that correspond at a rate much higher than a percentage of a percent.


Nice hyperbole though.

[upaloopa]

46. So let's just ignore them because why it hurts

the image of our gun culture in this country?

[ColesCountyDem]

54. Did I write that?

Let me read my post again.

[MontyPow]

75. Not necessarily. It is the presence of the gun and it's immediate lethality

that facilitates the death.

[ColesCountyDem]

76. And you know this how?

So, if there were no firearm present, a significant percentage of those people would never commit suicide? Is that your contention?

[Rex]

16. 80% of us wanted Congress to do something about it

and all we got back was cowardly sniveling about 'not getting elected if they do something about it'. Really? The NRA have that much hold over Congress?

[Recursion]

21. And two thirds of them shot themselves

If you're not looking at suicide and handguns, you're not looking at the actual gun problem...

[notrightatall]

34. I agree, wholeheartedly .

[SidDithers]

29. Wow. Seriously?...nt

Sid

[MontyPow]

64. When it comes to manufactured outrage and the deliberate quashing of actual outrage

I am DEAD SERIOUS.

[muntrv]

30. Because the bullets don't come from Africa?

[MontyPow]

65. Or maybe because you can't make a buck off of Ebola, yet.

My wife tells me that one of the treatment procedures they are experimenting with in Liberia is taking the blood from Ebola survivors and giving transfusions to infected patients. It seems to be working. No money to be made there.

[upaloopa]

43. Wait I think someone will come along here and tell us

that we can't include some of those because the victim was also the shooter. Just like we are supposed to know when a good guy with a gun is not a bad guy with a gun. There are other gems of wisdom to come out in this tread if all goes well.

[MontyPow]

66. Has happened many times already!

I guess it doesn't count because it is like self-infecting. But it does still count.

There was already a post about why we aren't calling for a ban on cars when nobody was calling for a ban on guns at all.

[upaloopa]

67. I told that poster we don't drive our guns to work

[MontyPow]

70. They would is they could!

[beevul]

82. Its not nice to attribute unheld positions to opponents, even imaginary ones.

You know perfectly well that exactly nobody here there or anywhere else claims what YOU claim they do.

What people DO say, is that its dishonest and disingenuous to proceed as if gun suicides and gun homicides have the same causes, and therefore require the same solution.

And that is exactly the implication intended by the "30k deaths and you guys are claiming suicides don't count" crowd, among whom you appear to be counted.

But then, none of this is news to anyone on either side.

[maddiemom]

55. "Airborn transmitted Bullet Disease!" Wonderful. How long do you think it would take

a gun control version of Frank Luntz to turn this into a national outrage?

[MontyPow]

58. I would love it if we could find someone to try it!

I'm surprised there isn't a Luntz of the left. This wordsmith could speak truth with beautiful sound bites and bumper stickers

[valerief]

71. DUzy!!!!

[MontyPow]

73. Thanks!

[MontyPow]

74. Are you saying half of all vehicle fatalities in 2006 were alcohol related?

[azurnoir]

83. sorry locking

gun threads against SoP for GD