Leaked autopsy report supports Darren Wilson’s account of Michael Brown shooting

[still_one]

"The official autopsy of Michael Brown appears to corroborate the testimony of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, the Post-Dispatch reports.

A St. Louis medical examiner who is not part of the case, Dr. Michael Graham, evaluated the forensic documents obtained by the Post-Dispatch and determined that the evidence “does support that there was a significant altercation at the car.”

One bullet moved from the tip of Brown’s right thumb towards his wrist, and that there was debris “consist with products discharged from the barrel of a firearm” lodged in the wound on his thumb."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/leaked-autopsy-report-supports-darren-wilsons-account-of-michael-brown-shooting/

[PDJane]

1. I'm sure it does.

They've had plenty of time to get their story straight.

[Nye Bevan]

24. And tamper with the forensic evidence? (nt)

[djean111]

2. Even if true, no reason to shoot to kill after Brown raised his hands.

[still_one]

4. That is the correct answer

[snooper2]

12. correct, a rational person would realize that this cop got the shit scared out of him

and did a major fuck-up


Of course some here will deny this evidence and think the dude was just going around looking for a black kid to take out

[KingCharlemagne]

16. "This evidence". What evidence? Do you think probable cause exists to indict

Wilson or not?

[snooper2]

20. I have no idea and neither do you because the results of the grand jury ARE NOT OUT YET

But, in reading the entire article which few around here ever do---

last two paragraphs-



“There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own,” he said. “If there was a struggle inside that car over a firearm, it sounds to me like Officer Wilson would have been justified in taking the action he did if he pulled the trigger and actually shot Michael Brown in the vehicle area.”

“If Michael Brown was truly turned around and basically charging the officer, he already went for round one fighting over his handgun. Are you going to go for round two and take the chance of losing it this time?” Fitch asked. “I think that would be a more logical explanation as to why Officer Wilson would have discharged his firearm at Michael Brown.”



Oh, and as an aside, did you know Charlemagne was a fundie?

[KingCharlemagne]

22. Please explain how a wound on Brown's hand corroborates in any meaningful way

Wilson's allegation that Brown was going for his weapon.

The wound on Brown's hand could be a DEFENSIVE wound. There need not have been any 'struggle' inside the car.

Do you always accept the assessment of a (retired) St. Louis Chief of Police as to what the evidence involving one his killer cops means? Really??

Calling Charlemagne a 'fundie' shows the depths of your historical knowledge.

[snooper2]

23. explain how a bullet going from the tip of your thumb toward your wrist is a defensive wound

while your hand is inside an officers vehicle-


The question is as noted above, did Wilson act out of fear and poor training and murder Brown in the street with his hands up or not?



Oh,
and yes,

Charlemagne was a fucking fundie, he wanted to build a new Xtian Fundie Rome- but you knew that right? When you conquer people and tell them "convert or die motherfucker!", that is the epitome of a fundie.

[KingCharlemagne]

25. Well, given that the word 'Fundamentalism' stems from the latter stages of the Protestant

Reformation (as in restoring Christianity to its 'fundamentals'), it's rather difficult for Charlemagne to have been a 'fundie,' since he lived 1,000 years BEFORE the Protestant Reformation.

Oh, wait, you're engaing in the fallacy of 'presentism.' Well, if it makes you feel better to call the father of Europe a 'fundie,' don't let me get in your way.

Oh,
and yes,

All Brown had to be doing was trying to push the gun away from his face or body, i.e., not 'going for the gun,' and that would explain the trajectory of the wound.

[snooper2]

27. yes, the "father of Europe" was an asshole and a fundie, sorry

you don't get to choose my words LOL


And, why would Brown be pushing a cops gun away in the first place? Facts matter, forensics don't lie, and for any chance of Wilson going to trial what happened outside the vehicle matters the most.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

46. Seriously?

And, why would Brown be pushing a cops gun away in the first place?

Anybody points a gun at me, cop or no cop, if I'm close up, my first instinct is to push it away from me. First rule of handling a gun - never point it at anyone (unless you're planning to shoot them). Pushing a gun aside is the very first and most instinctual defensive thing you can do if you're up close and somebody points one at you. Just because Wilson was a cop doesn't magically mean nobody is going to try and stop him from shooting them if they can.

Wilson CREATED the situation, just like Zimmerman did. He escalated, not de-escalated. Brown didn't just come over to his police car and decide to attack Wilson for the heck of it. From the evidence presented by bystanders who don't have a stake in defending either Wilson or Brown, Wilson stopped Brown for jaywalking, called him over to the car.

The only 'evidence' we have for what happened in the car is really from Wilson, who of course is going to give the account he's spent a month working on as the 'best possible light for him', since he never gave a statement at the time. Whatever happened, no matter who upped to 'altercation', Wilson pulled out his gun and fired one to two times at Brown at point blank range.

Again, if I saw anyone pull a gun on me at close range, my instinct is to try to push it out of line, because I'm going to assume anyone pulling a gun on me intends to shoot me. And I'm sure Brown figured he was going to be shot too, and he was completely right to do so, six times over.

But you're right in the end - the only chance Brown has for justice is for attention to be paid to what happened after Brown was able to break away and try to flee his shooter.

[KingCharlemagne]

54. Thank you. Depending upon how Wilson brandished his weapon at Brown -- and

how did that weapon magically get unholsetered, anyway? -- Brown may have been doing nothing more than trying to extricate himself from the vehicle's window and, in the process, brought his hands into position to be wounded by Wilson's firearm. Baden found no gunpowder residue on Brown's hands, which suggests his hands may have been trying to get him the hell out of the way.

[arcane1]

65. I'd love to see a reenactment, showing how he could grab a holstered gun inside an SUV

My money says he didn't.

[KingCharlemagne]

68. I've elsewhere called that scenario of Brown 'going after Wilson's gun' utterly

preposterous and contemptibly laughable on its surface.

Wilson's supporters here and elsewhere are hoping to kick up so much dust and heat and light that they will never have to demonstrrate how Mike Brown could have exhibited such super-human powers.

[hfojvt]

34. there's a big IF there

“If Michael Brown was truly turned around AND basically charging the officer ..."

Some of that depends on how far Brown was away from Wilson. We know that Brown turned around.

Presumably the final distance can be measured, but I have not seen it reported.

[TorchTheWitch]

32. you're still assuming that he did

There have been other accounts that say he only raised his arms away from his sides not up in the air. There's been a torrent of selective belief about this case from the start. There's one witness that claimed to see the entire episode who was questioned by the grand jury who said that Brown only raised his arms away from his sides and moved toward the officer.

For quite some time it was believed he was shot in the back while running away. That turned out to not be true once the defense revealed their autopsy findings. Everyone here still disregards that Brown only moments before the shooting robbed a store and was violent toward the clerk. Johnson disappeared entirely after that having been running around with his silly account of what happened, which by the way, said absolutely nothing about anyone's race. Not one person either those claiming to be witnesses, Brown's family, the protesters who were of the belief that Brown was shot while surrendering and even running away said a thing about anyone's race having anything to do with the incident.

As I've said every time about this case, I have no idea whether or not shooting Brown was legal or not concerning whatever it was that was happening (and there has been two different sides to that story from the beginning). I don't know the particulars of the law concerning that nor how they're applied. That's the job of the grand jury who get all the information concerning what happened and instruction in applying the law.

[upaloopa]

3. Wait the doctor examined documents.

This doctor did not examine the body of Michael Brown.
I would like to see a comparison of all the reports made after the autopsies.

[merrily]

5. "a significant altercation in the car" does not corroborate Wilson's account, which was that Brown

was the aggressor. That is the critical part of Wilson's account, when it comes to the critical issue of why Wilson killed Brown. Forensics did not corroborate that. Don't know if forensics even can tell who was the aggressor.

The other bit that was leaked early on was that Wilson had a fractured eye socket and that was false.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. Has Wilson's actual account of the shooting been released? All I've seen is other people telling

what Wilson's account is and there are parts of the retelling that just don't make sense to me.

[merrily]

18. Good point. The sources of the leaks have not been named.

So, the headline is bogus all the way around.

[KingCharlemagne]

19. It was leaked to reporters for the NY Times last Friday in a late-night

news dump:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?_r=3

Previously, someone leaked to a St. Louis newspaper that Wilson had testified for 4 hours before the Grand Jury. Don't have a link to that handy.

[Bettie]

30. And the second/third hand retelling of "Wilson's account"

change with the winds, depending on what the current narrative is.

The guy will walk, get a temporary desk job and a promotion, then, be back on the street by the middle of next year, secure in the knowledge that he can do anything he wants to without consequences.

[TorchTheWitch]

35. no one in authority said he had a fractured eye socket

It was only said that he had a swollen face. No idea where this fractured eye socket claim came from, but it didn't come from anyone in authority.

This is the very problem with leaked information in any case. There's no way to know who the source is, whether or not it's true or whether or not it's some dip in the media just making sensational claims or worse some nobody on social media.

I've said from the beginning time and again to wait for FACTS from the actual investigation came out, but ooooooh nooooo, I continually got shouted down for that by people thinking they knew everything and now boast about misinformation that came from who the hell knows where. From the beginning those in authority only mentioned that Wilson had a swollen face. THEY never said anything about his having a fractured eye socket and even denied it since they didn't even have his medical records at that time. Just where did this fractured eye socket claim even come from when it never did from anyone in authority? Was that the unknown woman that claimed to be a friend of Wilson's that ran amok on the radio making all kinds of unfounded claims and who never actually got any information from Wilson himself and while remaining anonymous? It was the prosecutors that denied that rumor, by the way.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/21/darren_wilson_eye_socket_not_broken_by_michael_brown_cnn_says.html
That claim appears to have been undermined. For one, the Post is now reporting that prosecutors have not seen any of Wilson's medical records:

[Spokesperson Ed] Magee said that prosecutors have not received any medical records relating to Wilson so far. ​But he said that since Wilson was taken to the hospital, they assume there are medical records and they just haven’t received them yet.

[Starry Messenger]

6. That whole 2nd paragraph negates the title

Such bullshit

[atreides1]

7. My theory

This is my read:

Wilson opens his door, the door hits Brown, Brown pushes back which causes the door to close. Wilson then pulls Brown into the vehicle, Brown attempts to escape from Wilson's grasp, as Brown pulls away Wilson gets his gun out and fires, hitting Brown in the hand!

Which explains the presence of blood on the gun, Wilson's uniform and in the vehicle(remember the gun was fired at extremely close range)!

There is nothing to show that Brown made any attempt to take Wilson's weapon, except for the word of officer Wilson!(Unless Brown's fingerprints or any DNA can be found on the weapon or the holster)


My theory is as good as the "experts"!!!

[Baitball Blogger]

13. I don't see how that couldn't be a defensive wound.

Given all your facts, the way you present them, it makes sense that Brown would raise his hand up to shield himself from a bullet wound.

[hfojvt]

36. the part that doesn't make sense though

is this - "Wilson pulls Brown into the vehicle".

Seriously, first, WHY would anybody do that in a struggle with a 280 pound man? Secondly HOW does anybody pull a 280 pound man anywhere? Wilson's not that big. Does he bench press 300 pounds with one arm or something?

The "Wilson pulled Brown into the vehicle" makes zero logical sense.

A far more logical story is - Brown lunged into the vehicle.

Which still does not mean he needed to be shot if he was 30 feet away. Not shot five times.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

49. Why do you assume the 'pull' was 'during the struggle', as opposed to what initiated

the 'struggle'? I've seen videos of police reaching out and grabbing people by the shirt to pull them in close. It doesn't mean they're going to actually be able to hold onto the person, and it actually pretty much resulted in the person becoming even more belligerent in every video I recall, so it's basically a stupid move, but nobody ever accused people who shoot someone six times after stopping them for jaywalking as bright. But many police think they have the right to assault the public however they want, and that people will just 'take it'. Often, they're wrong.

It's logical, just a stupid move on the part of the grabber.

[hfojvt]

56. maybe

if they are both standing up
or if the cop is bigger than the other person

but you do not pull somebody on to you when you are sitting down.

I just don't buy that. Between two scenarios

1. Wilson pulled Brown into the vehicle
2. Brown lunged into the vehicle

the 2nd one is just far, far, far, far, far more plausible.

But again, that does not justfiy shooting somebody who is 30 feet away.

[Baitball Blogger]

52. Who knows how much adrenaline flows through the system when

a person is on a power trip. I've seen some people do some pretty audacious things, just because they know they can get away with it.

[hfojvt]

57. audacious is one thing

ridiculously stupid is another.

Put yourself in Wilson's shoes. Are you gonna try to pull a big guy into your car? For what purpose?

[Baitball Blogger]

61. Because you assume he will submit.

Afterall, the cop had the gun.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

63. How does one pull a 6' 5' 290 lb through the window of a SUV?

Would a man of that size even fit through the window of the SUV? What about the steering wheel? Wouldn't that hinder the large man's window entrance? Also keep in mind that the officer was sitting.

[Eugene Stoner]

8. Here is what another source says

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOX) – A report by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this morning shows the official autopsy supports Ferguson officer Darren Wilson’s claim that Michael Brown struggled with him in his patrol vehicle, and that Brown did not have his hands up when he was shot Aug. 9.
A source tells the Post-Dispatch that Wilson testified to the Grand Jury that when he tried to get out of his SUV to talk to Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson about the theft of cigarillos, Brown slammed the door shut and punched him in the face.
Wilson pulled his weapon, and Brown grabbed it. At one point, the barrel was pointed at Wilson’s hip, then a shot was fired hitting Brown’s hand.

St. Louis medical examiner Dr. Michael Graham says the report supports claims that there was a “significant struggle” in Wilson’s patrol car, and Brown suffered a hand wound at “relatively short range.”
A forensic pathologist from San Francisco, Dr. Judy Melinek, says based on a bullet wound to Brown’s arm, Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson in the standard surrender position – with hands up and palms out – when he was shot, and Brown was falling forward or lunging when he was hit by the fatal shot to the top of his head.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/new-information-released-on-michael-brown-case/

[logosoco]

21. I thought early on the chief of Ferguson PD said wilson did not know of the

cigarillo theft? Which is it?

They have had plenty of time to change their story and I don't trust them at all.

And WHY did wilson draw his weapon in the first place? I would think a cop has some training to deal with people, even large people, without resorting to shooting.

And where is the evidence of wounds to wilson?


Sorry, I am ranting a bit. This is making me very angry. The story itself and the reactions to it.

[phil89]

41. When you start with a conclusion

and ignore any evidence to the contrary of it makes sense you would be mad.

[Eugene Stoner]

26. UPDATED: Former Police Chief Speaks on Latest Michael Brown Shooting Information

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOX) – Information about the Michael Brown fatal police shooting is beginning to leak out, and former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it’s no accident the feds are allowing the information.

Fitch calls the information from the investigation coming out as phase two – to “coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly,” he says. “When I say this is phase two – phase one was really Eric Holder’s announcement how they were going to basically do a complete review and take over the Ferguson Police Department.”

Fitch says he thinks the feds recognize that it’s “probably very unlikely” that there’s going to be charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released/

[Arkansas Granny]

9. The difference in Wilson's account and the witness accounts is what troubles me.

THE AUTOPSY NARRATIVE

Brown’s autopsy documents include a summary from St. Louis County Detective Patrick J. Hokamp’s preliminary investigation. His account was similar to Wilson’s.

The autopsy report, obtained by the Post-Dispatch, also says that Brown had THC, the mind-altering ingredient of marijuana, in his blood and urine. The report says a “leafy green substance” was submitted as evidence, and a person with knowledge of the investigation said the substance was marijuana. That source also said that Brown’s blood and DNA had been found inside the SUV and on Wilson’s gun.

WITNESSES DISAGREE

Most of the witnesses who have spoken publicly saw only a portion of the incident.

Johnson, 22, has said that Wilson used a profanity when he told them to get on the sidewalk, and nearly sideswiped them as he backed up. Wilson opened the door but it bounced off the men, Johnson has said, and Wilson then grabbed Brown by the throat and, later, grabbed him by the arm and tried to pull him into the car. Johnson said that Wilson’s gun had been out and that he had shot Brown once before Brown, who was bleeding, ran away.

Johnson said that Wilson had chased Brown and shot him once before Brown turned around. Johnson said that Wilson had fatally shot Brown as Brown was getting to the ground with his hands in the air.

Several other witnesses have said that Wilson fired at Brown’s fleeing form, perhaps causing Brown to turn when he was some distance from the SUV.

From there, the accounts differ. Their versions have included that Brown stood still, or walked, staggered, stumbled or fell toward Wilson. Some witnesses said Brown’s hands were up; others said they were not. One witness said Wilson was backing away as he fired at Brown.

None quoted in media accounts has said that Brown charged Wilson.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/source-darren-wilson-says-michael-brown-kept-charging-at-him/article_d2cf8b20-c517-592b-96ba-77d8a5f46fef.html?mobile_touch=true

So far, I have not seen any witness account that agrees with what we have been told is Wilson's account.

[XemaSab]

10. Johnson's "account" has been proven to be nonsense

n/t

[Travelman]

66. Yep. n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

11. No, it doesn't. All the autopsy report confirms is that Wilson's

firearem discharged inside his vehicle.

It DOES NOT support Wilson's allegation that Brown was reaching for Wilson's gun.

WTF?

[Eugene Stoner]

17. If the evidence supports prosecution of Wilson then

They should indict him. But I believe the forensic evidence is conflicting with the eye witness reports which seem to be partial and incomplete. Our courts have a tendency to rely on forensic evidence so I believe Wilson will never be charged.

[logosoco]

15. I am not putting much stock into wilson's version, since he conveniently killed

the person who could also tell the story.

These reports seem to be saying the gun shot on Brown's hand indicate he was reaching for the weapon. Couldn't it just as easily mean wilson had the gun out (and why? for a jaywalking stop? because he was that afraid of this person?) and Brown was pushing it away in defense. I think the fact that wilson stopped the SUV and backed up shows he was angry because the young men didn't get out of the road when he "ordered" them to and the situation escalated from that emotion until Brown was executed.

This whole thing just stinks, and people are so willing to listen to the cop. The justice system was rigged and it is quickly becoming broken.
I am ashamed of many of the people here in St. Louis who are saying "he was a thug" etc. They are going to end up giving the cops even more power, and then where will we be?

[phil89]

43. Pushing a cop's gun away in defense?

how else would that scenario end?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

50. Apparently about the same as just

standing there and letting him shoot you without trying to push it away?

[logosoco]

55. Considering how the scenario started it never had a chance of ending well.

Maybe at the point when Brown was pushing the gun away the cop could have come to his senses.

Why did he draw his weapon in the first place? His story seems to rely on Brown assaulting him, so why wouldn't you keep your gun safe in the holster and away from the attacker instead of pulling it out where they could reach it?

Yeah if a cop, especially a cop who was mad because i did not listen to their "orders", draws a gun on me and I am close enough I would try to push it away.

[3rdwaydem]

28. Based on this and other evidence which has leaked out

I see a No Bill verdict from the Grand Jury.
Further, it's beginning to appear as though the Justice Department will not pursue charges against Wilson. See http://www.allvoices.com/article/100001616


This, in my opinion, will unfortunately lead to more unrest in Ferguson.

[BronxBoy]

58. Thank you for posting that link......

I'd really, really been hoping that this would at least get to a trial. But if the chain of events in the article come true and I unfortunately think they will, it will really hammer home that we are no true citizens of this country. Not that we needed any reinforcing.

[3rdwaydem]

59. Sadly, you are right. Consider,

On the very night the young man's life was taken, the spin machine was already on overdrive. As the incident and its aftermath were unfolding, we were hearing, with the full cooperation of the media, how this young man was supposedly involved in a strong arm robbery and how he was on drugs and it was even alleged that he had been a prime suspect in a murder. The police chief came right out and began to support Wilson's action before any preliminary inquiry was conducted as required by law when an officer uses deadly force.

The cover up was in full court press mode before this teenager's body was even cold.
What kind of society do we live in which allows this to take place?

Yes, I am for due process of the laws and I acknowledge that our constitution affords Wilson the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

However, the full apparatus of the state and the national media was thrown into defending Officer Wilson before the facts were in. Sad.

[BronxBoy]

62. It's done....

The NY Daily news is reporting this and has BACKS UP the cops story as the headline. Marching orders have been given, formalities will be done and another black man will have been needlessly killed without repercussion

[3rdwaydem]

64. Sadly, I have to agree with you

[Hoyt]

29. Most, if not all, the witnesses say there was an altercation at the car. But the autopsy does not

address what happened after Brown ran from the car.

I cannot see any justification for shooting Brown that many times once he had moved away from Wilson. Wilson had supposedly called backup and should have waited for them to arrive (although that likely would have just resulted in Brown being shot by several policemen).

I do not believe Brown was charging Wilson. If anything, it might have been like a boxer who is hurt and reaches in desperation toward their opponent for something to hold them up. If an armed Wilson can't handle an unarmed man who was already shot, without killing him, he should at a minimum be fired.

With all that said, I don't think Wilson will be tried. The prosecutor could have gone straight to court for a preliminary hearing if he really intended to charge Wilson.

I think they have been dragging their feet for a couple of reasons -- (1) they waited for all the evidence to come in to ensure Wilson and his handlers could concoct a story that didn't conflict with the evidence available; and (2) to let the community calm down before they blame lack of action on the grand jury.

[damnedifIknow]

31. They have free reign

As long as Bob McCulloch has something to do with it, it's a done deal.

http://www.semissourian.com/story/45291.html

[joeybee12]

33. Let me just say, I have my doubts that this was not tampered with...

All the "authorities" involved have hardly been above board in this...also, when you raise your hands, cops should not unload seven bullets into you.

[TorchTheWitch]

44. There's at least one witness that the grand jury questioned who claimed

that he saw the entire incident and that Brown did not raise his hands in surrender but merely pulled his arms away from his sides and also said that he then approached the officer. The media has been reporting for quite some time there there are witnesses on both sides of the story.

This kind of stuff is exactly why one should wait until an investigation is done to find out the actual facts before running amok on claims made to the media particularly those of anonymous sources.

The authorities HAVE been above board. It's the anonymous leaks and claims made by liars that people have decided to listen to and then claim that authorities have lied. Name one instance where the authorities haven't been above board. What little they've said hasn't been found to be false or otherwise not above board. Authorities have been the ones to discount false rumors like the anonymous rumor that Wilson had a fractured eye socket. Prosecutors denied that was the case saying they didn't have his medical records from the incident at that time. All the authorities ever claimed was that he had a swollen face.

[joeybee12]

60. Um...has the grand jury finished? Did they rule to indict or not?

If they're still deliberating, then who the fuck leaked that the witness claimed Brown didn't raise his arms...one fo the ffucking authoritiess who you claim are sweet and pure...you just proved me right..thanks.

[justiceischeap]

37. It would also support Dorion Johnson's version of events

That Wilson pulled Brown into the car after the door hits Brown and bounces back and hits Wilson. No one has ever denied there was a struggle in that vehicle, it's the facts of that struggle that are truly in question.

[phil89]

45. And a cop would pull someone into a vehicle

because?

[justiceischeap]

47. Because he's human and sometimes humans do irrational or illogical

things in the heat of the moment. Why would Brown reach for Wilson's gun or attack him because he told them to get out of the street? Which makes more sense?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

67. Brown had just robbed a store.

He didn't want to get caught.

Wilson noticed the clothes they were wearing fit the description he just heard over his radio...and they were holding the loot. He called for back up and put the police SUV into reverse so he could talk to them. Brown, not wanting to get caught, slammed the door shut when Wilson tried to get out and then punched him the face. The video of Brown assaulting the store clerk minutes before clearly shows the state of mind Brown was in.

Wilson had the training and the commonsense to know it is impossible to (from a sitting position) pull a 6' 5" 290 lb man though a car window.

You are suggesting it makes more sense to believe Wilson was cruising the streets looking for a black man to murder.......and his method of killing this black man was to drag him through his car window and shoot him.

[justiceischeap]

69. Yes, Brown had just robbed a store and the chief of police stated categorically

that Wilson knew nothing about that. So...try again. Whether the confrontation at the window was Wilson's fault or Brown's, Wilson still shot him down after he ran away, which is still murder.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

70. Yes he did know something about it.

It came over his police radio........like crimes do.

You are not basing your argument on facts.

[JaneyVee]

38. Hands up, don't shoot.

[arthritisR_US]

39. It supports the altercation at the car when

Wilson tried ho haul him in. It does not support the shots outside if the vehicle.

[Rex]

40. Most of us already knew that Brown would never get any kind of justice

the fix was in the moment the PD helped Wilson flee like a criminal.

[belzabubba333]

42. they are trying to distract from the fact that mr brown was in the street AWAY

from the killer when mr killer shot mr brown. none zero nada of what happened in the car is relevant. it's all kicking up sand. stand back nothing to see here just american justice's rotting corpse at work .

[TeeYiYi]

48. So, in the final analysis, Michael Brown was murdered for jaywalking...

Where's the toxicology report on Darren Wilson? Like everything else surrounding this case, initial reports have been withheld while the corrupt Missouri 'justice system' takes 2+ months to craft a narrative.

The family had their own autopsy of Michael Brown's body performed which disputes the original "official" autopsy report.

As described by multiple witnesses to the murder, the independent autopsy suggests that Michael Brown died as a result of the "kill shot" to the top of his head after he was already on the ground.

What We Learned from an Independent Autopsy of Michael Brown
By Taylor Wofford
Filed: 8/18/14 at 1:27 PM  | Updated: 8/18/14 at 1:29 PM

An independent, preliminary autopsy performed on the body of Michael Brown shows that the 18-year-old was shot “at least six times,” according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, formerly the chief medical examiner for the City of New York, one of two experts who performed the autopsy.

<snip>

Dr. Baden and Prof. Parcells said the two shots to the head were probably the last two shots fired. All of the shots, with the exception of the one to the top of the head, were survivable, Dr. Baden said. An attorney for Brown’s family described the shot to the top of the head as “the kill-shot.”

The autopsy did not reveal signs of a struggle, Dr. Baden said, which casts doubt on an earlier statement by police that a struggle between Brown and Wilson precipitated Brown’s shooting. Police have said Brown forced his way inside Wilson’s cruiser, where Wilson shot at Brown for the first time.

Dr. Baden said he found no gunpowder residue on Brown’s skin, which could mean that the muzzle of Wilson’s gun was “at least one or two feet away” from Brown when he was shot. However, Dr. Baden was adamant that he would need to examine Brown’s clothing for gunpowder residue to make a conclusive finding.

Brown’s clothing was not available for Dr. Baden and Prof. Parcells to examine, Baden said, though it was almost certainly examined during Brown’s first autopsy performed by the St. Louis County Medical Examiner. If no gunpowder residue was found on Brown’s clothing during the first autopsy, it will likely throw the Ferguson PD’s timeline of events into question.

http://www.newsweek.com/what-we-learned-michael-browns-autopsy-265247

TYY

[herding cats]

51. How does this information compare to the autopsy done by Dr Michael Baden?

Does anyone have that information on hand to check between the two?

[JEB]

71. Fuck the Police.

The system is rigged against people of color and poor people. Cops are their own gang. Very dangerous.