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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:05 PM Oct 2014

One in three adults listed in FBI’s ‘master criminal database’

Amid the outcry over mass incarceration in America, The Wall St. Journal Tuesday maps the school-to-prison pipeline — detailing alarming instances where routine kid stuff — fights, drinking, some pot — now includes a criminal record, thus beginning a lifetime of marginalization.

About 92,000 children in 2012 got misdemeanor weapons possession, disturbing the peace, theft or other charges for actions like participating in a water balloon fight, carrying a small pocket knife, getting in a hallway scuffle, wearing too much perfume, or swiping some chicken nuggets.

Police arrested 250 million people in the last 20 years. One in three Americans are now on the FBI’s master criminal database, WSJ reports.

“This arrest wave, in many ways, starts at school. Concern by parents and school officials over drug use and a spate of shootings prompted a rapid buildup of police officers on campus and led to school administrators referring minor infractions to local authorities.

Arrest records, even when charges are dropped, often trail youngsters into adulthood. Records, especially for teenagers tried as adults, have become more accessible on the Internet, but are often incomplete or inaccurate. Employers, banks, college admissions officers and landlords, among others, routinely check records online.”


http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2014/10/22/one-in-three-adults-listed-in-fbis-master-criminal-database/
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One in three adults listed in FBI’s ‘master criminal database’ (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Oct 2014 OP
that is mind boggling statistic grasswire Oct 2014 #1
The problem is the lousy way they got to it. jeff47 Oct 2014 #7
On it's face that just looked like a bogus number. trof Oct 2014 #10
I would disagree quakerboy Oct 2014 #21
Again, the article doesn't say. But IIRC they've been jeff47 Oct 2014 #22
Fair enough quakerboy Oct 2014 #32
Well, THAT certainly has a nice hifiguy Oct 2014 #2
Hm, that sounds similar Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #15
Being on DU probably gives to one an admission ticket to be tracked as a RKP5637 Oct 2014 #29
Land of the free(ish) progressoid Oct 2014 #3
I wish I were considered a Master Criminal but probably on their good list uppityperson Oct 2014 #4
Not me. I've always strived to keep my amateur status. FSogol Oct 2014 #6
I prefer Smooth Criminal. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #14
Look at it as a recruting database seveneyes Oct 2014 #5
This is a national disgrace. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #8
How did they know I was a master criminal? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #9
Most Americans have smoked pot, and as such belong in prison. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #11
For a non-addictive substance... Recursion Oct 2014 #23
Either that, or people understand that it's not the government's fucking business Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #24
Right, but the user judges the bowl is worth that risk Recursion Oct 2014 #25
Sort of like how gay people pre-lawrence risked arrest for consensual gay sex in Texas? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #26
I'd say love is close to addictive (not everything addictive is bad) Recursion Oct 2014 #27
Well I'm more focused on ending the bad laws, than judging those who break them. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #28
God I hope so Recursion Oct 2014 #30
is there really roomtomove Oct 2014 #12
"Master" as in "primary database of record." nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #16
I'm going to guess Wall Street thieves aren't on that list. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #13
Baazinga! And welcome to DU FailureToCommunicate Oct 2014 #17
They definitely should be, as they've stolen most of the world's wealth! Initech Oct 2014 #19
Cool. Does this mean I've been promoted from "thought criminal" to "Master Criminal?" TygrBright Oct 2014 #18
Home of the brave, LAND OF THE FREE! Lol! sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #20
Go USA! Go USA! Go USA! RKP5637 Oct 2014 #31
It was the wish of the late J. Edgar Hoover. Rex Oct 2014 #33
Umm, bloggers who are bad at math for $200, Alex. X_Digger Oct 2014 #34

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. The problem is the lousy way they got to it.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:40 PM
Oct 2014

They took the number of people in the database and divided it by the current population.

They didn't bother with details like "Is everyone in the database still alive?" Answer is probably no, but the article doesn't say one way or the other.

If the database has everyone who's been arrested over the last few decades, and dead people are not being deleted, you'll get a statistic that is far worse than reality. But you'll also get a fantastic headline.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
21. I would disagree
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:04 PM
Oct 2014

I suppose it would depend on exactly how many decades.

The mortality rate is something like .8%/year. So over the past couple decades, it would add up to about 16%, or 51 million folks who have died.

Adding that to the current adult population of 242 million you end up with 293 million folks.

Starting with our current 240 million adults and their number of 1/3, that would be 80 million.

Taking 80 million and dividing it by the larger number, adding all the deceased, it only drops the percent to 27%.

Which is still pretty gnarly, over 1/4 of all adults.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. Again, the article doesn't say. But IIRC they've been
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:08 PM
Oct 2014

building the database since the 1960s. Which means a lot more dead if they aren't purging it. And I doubt they'd purge the dead, in case new crimes were discovered after their deaths.

And I'm not saying it's a wonderful thing if it's "only" 1/6th instead of 1/3rd. Just think it's a bit overstated for the headline.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
32. Fair enough
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:20 PM
Oct 2014

I guess 50+ years would make a bigger difference than 20. But the number would still seem pretty ridiculous to me

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. Well, THAT certainly has a nice
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

Gestapo/KGB/Securitate/Stasi ring to it. TPTB want to know everything about everybody. And not for anything resembling good reasons.

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
15. Hm, that sounds similar
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:35 PM
Oct 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book

The Black Book was the post-war name given to the Sonderfahndungsliste G.B. ("Special Search List G.B.&quot , the list of prominent Britons to be arrested in the case of a successful invasion of Britain by Nazi Germany in World War II. The list was a product of the SS Einsatzgruppen and compiled by Walter Schellenberg. It contained the names of 2,820 people, British subjects and European exiles, living in Britain who were to be immediately arrested if Unternehmen Seelöwe, the invasion of Britain, succeeded.

The original handbook, or "Informationsheft GB" covered geography, economics, political system, government, legal system, administration, military, education system, important museums, press and radio, religion, parties, immigrants, freemasons, Jews, police apparatus and secret service. The "Black Book," as it is known in the tabloid press, was a later appendage and consisted of 104 pages of names listed in alphabetical order. "Fahndungsliste" translates into "wanted list," "Sonderfahndungsliste" into "especially wanted list" or "most wanted list."

Cross-referenced, I'm sure, with the No-Fly List, McCarthy's witch-hunt list, and Nixon's Enemies List?

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
29. Being on DU probably gives to one an admission ticket to be tracked as a
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:38 PM
Oct 2014

bunch of disgruntled activists unhappy with the oligarchical system.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
4. I wish I were considered a Master Criminal but probably on their good list
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:26 PM
Oct 2014

from being employed by a contractor on a military base. Master Criminal has a nice sound to it. And yes, I understand it is the master list of criminals, just blathering while I kick this.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
9. How did they know I was a master criminal?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:43 PM
Oct 2014

It must have been one of my minions getting too chatty. I'll have to get some truth serum and break out the shark pool.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. Either that, or people understand that it's not the government's fucking business
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:24 PM
Oct 2014

If they want to smoke a bowl in their own living room.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. Right, but the user judges the bowl is worth that risk
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:26 PM
Oct 2014

I mean, "it's not their business" may be true, but they've de facto made it their business and ruin people's lives over it. Just seems strange that people judge that risk to be worth it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. Sort of like how gay people pre-lawrence risked arrest for consensual gay sex in Texas?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:33 PM
Oct 2014

Does that mean gay sex is addictive, or people are "strange" when they go against an obviously intrusive, unjust law?

Some laws are just wrong, period.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. I'd say love is close to addictive (not everything addictive is bad)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:35 PM
Oct 2014

That is, I am absolutely certain that people will take huge risks for love (this isn't exactly news).

I'm less certain why a high from a non-addictive substance is enough of a draw for a majority of Americans to risk jail over it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
28. Well I'm more focused on ending the bad laws, than judging those who break them.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:37 PM
Oct 2014

i dont need to make other peoples' decisions for them, and if theyre not harming others, generally its not my business why they do what they do.

Either way, marijunana prohibition is a failed public policy, and its days are numbered.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
30. God I hope so
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:39 PM
Oct 2014
Either way, marijunana prohibition is a failed public policy, and its days are numbered.

Amen, and let's hope so.

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
13. I'm going to guess Wall Street thieves aren't on that list.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:28 PM
Oct 2014

...and that the majority of those children (or former children) on the "criminals" list are, just maybe, browner than a paper bag?

Initech

(100,068 posts)
19. They definitely should be, as they've stolen most of the world's wealth!
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:00 PM
Oct 2014

But no let's lock up the people who are on drugs.

TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
18. Cool. Does this mean I've been promoted from "thought criminal" to "Master Criminal?"
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:39 PM
Oct 2014

I must remember to look up the etiquette for being a Napoleon of Crime.

I think I've got the evil laugh down.

Maybe I need an arm movement. Bonaparte had that hand-in jacket thing... Hitler had the straightarm salute... The possibilities are endless! I'm thinking of something involving a middle finger.

Napoleonically,
Bright

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. It was the wish of the late J. Edgar Hoover.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:23 PM
Oct 2014

Have all adults at least, on file. Every citizen if possible. No doubt after 9/11 we are all probably suspects in anything they can find in our metadata. Not like they don't share and share alike.

TIA. Guess he finally got his wish.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
34. Umm, bloggers who are bad at math for $200, Alex.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:27 PM
Oct 2014

250,000 arrests does not equal one in three people, moron.

It could be the same person, arrested 250,000 times (as unlikely as that is.)

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