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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust back from a MENSA lunch, first time, one person there really ruined my appetite.
This is my first ever foray into the organization, and first time joining in any sort of meeting.
There were only five of us and conversation was mostly good, except for one very nasty thing:
One guest brought their Mr. Peabody and Sherman birthday card which had a lot of conversation starters, including the question, "If you could go back in time where would you go and what would you do?"
I went first and we proceeded around the table and all was good until it was Ronny's turn.
"Mine's kind of dark. I'd go back to whenever and kill whoever started Islam."
Follow up question was "what would you bring back?"
"His head."
The absence of shock on the others' faces suggested that this is how Ronny rolls and, in the groups' defense, I think he has either had a stroke or has cognitive and motor challenges. His head stays bowed and he stared at me a lot and much of what he said was unintelligible. He maybe he's there only as the husband of his wife, the actual member.
They do a game night and this dinner, once a month each. I will probably try game night, maybe that will be a bit more lively.
And less dark.
Lots of Fox News, I reckon.
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Warpy
(114,647 posts)and was informed that they weren't admitting children and try again when I grew up a few years because I'd passed it.
By the time I grew up, I'd realized that passing an IQ test was no guarantee of anything except being good at passing IQ tests.
I'd rather choose friends for compatability of interests and temperaments. I don't care that they're not all over the place like I am and they don't seem to care that I'm all over the place.
That works a lot better than choosing them for one limited thing like IQ or being heathens or anything else.
Ronny's a git, but who among us hasn't wanted to go back and supply a few targeted women with birth control pills to prevent a few monsters from being born?
He just chose a poor monster. Muhammad represented a huge improvement over the tribal crap that limited most people's lives. The tribal crap crept back in centuries after his death and that's what we're seeing today.
Suggest Ronny read history books that weren't written by bible bangers.
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)I know I'm smarter than the average bear but don't consider myself exceptional. What I am really good at is taking tests and seeing patterns most others don't. Never play Backgammon with me. Also, that little triangle game where you jump pins and are supposed to end up with only one pin left on the board...nailed it the first time with a major hangover and then did it again just to prove I could. Yeah, just because you take tests well does not make you exceptional.
Note to people who still have to take tests. Try writing one. Coming up with plausible wrong answers is really difficult. Helps you figure out the test makers thought process and and eliminate obvious wrong answers.
Also, when they ask you to read something and then answer the questions, read the questions first. I know it sounds obvious but you would be amazed.
Warpy
(114,647 posts)along with a lot of math tricks I found obvious but never noticed anyone doing.
I suppose if MENSA had admitted kids back then, I'd have been a much bigger pain in the ass than I was.
bmac19gg
(96 posts)Would have been to go back and kill the first guy who decided to use Islam to justify killings and terrorism.
My answer to the question is I would go back to the cretaceous period and bring back a velociraptor egg and raise it as a pet and you would all be jealous because I had a velociraptor as a pet.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And, yeah, picking out Mohammed spoke volumes to his ignorance of history, and is sadly representative of many Americans.
Somehow what happened on 9/11 somehow makes hating Islam OK.
Facepalm.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)There are many very smart and cruel self serving people.
I let my mensa membership lapse, as I only became a member to have it as a line item on my resume and I never did put it on my resume.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I want to think that he just wasn't all there and he was, after all, husband to a woman there.
Which or both are the members is unknown to me.
MENSA! And, I always wondered why you thought I was "Slow on the Uptake." Hey "Different Strokes for Different Intelligentsia." We are ALL GOOD.
Sorry you had that experience. BUT, Maniacal Brains can be MENSA, too.
We have seen TOO Much of that lately....haven't we?
Learned your lesson did ya?
Hopefully "Game Night" will be better.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I hear Scrabble is popular.
And if we are, I'm screwn!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Think you might be miles ahead of that. Are you sure you want to continue with this?
I would have thought they'd be discussing more "Intellectual Subjects."
Well.......Whatever...... "To Each His or Her Own"....I guess.
Don't see you as comfortable there with such lack of intellectual discussion that you would have hoped to find in a "MENSA" group.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)They've been meeting for years and nothing intellectual or political came up.
It could have been a bridge group or a church group.
Plus, I'm leaving this town soon, maybe the Bay Area/Central Coast groups are different.
Who knows. I'm pretty happy with the people I've met in the service organization, not sure I need a Mensa group but I had to go see.
And game night might be fun, I'd like to see new games though, not Scrabble.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Check things out...I'm with you on that..
Hekate
(100,133 posts)If nothing else, it'd be really nice to meet a fellow DUer.
Just got home from Games Night. We had just enough for a game of Monopoly. I got the Oriental property early on and insisted it was a family run chop suey parlor; when I was persuaded to sell it I ended up losing dreadfully. My husband wasn't playing -- he said class resentment was setting in.
It's not about showing how smart you are; it's about having fun. But you knew that....
tblue37
(68,444 posts)too many words.
When she was still living at home, my daughter would play with me, but since she is intensely competitive and I am not, she would say, "Mom, can you see any good words in my letters?" I would suggest some, and then she'd use all the triple word and letter spots on the board with high scoring letters and words, so basically I ended up teaming up with her against myself.
My vocabulary gave me the edge with other people, since even my lack of competitive spirit didn't keep me from racking up higher scores. But with my daughter, my maternal instincts disarmed me of my only weapon in the contest.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)There is a large family that I've adopted, in a way, and games have always been a big part of their lives.
It's always been interesting to see how they'll always help anyone who needs a hint or is losing badly, and they don't it with a lot of forethought or fanfare, they just do it.
I'm impressed and it tells a lot about how they behave in their lives in general, they're supportive and not competitive.
Also, games say a lot about cultures. I took several cultural anthropology courses in my college years and remember one study conducted that compared game play among Central American girls and girls in the US.
The game was one that could be played competitively or cooperatively and was cleverly designed so that cooperative play resulted in more points or prizes for both teams than competitive play would.
Guess how the the two groups chose to play.
Also, I'm reminded of Dr. W Edwards Deming, who describes (I'm paraphrasing from memory) the case of two competing gas stations at the same intersection, both with tow trucks.
Instead of each paying the full cost of truck and driver and having to be available all night long, and only getting half the tow jobs, they decide to cooperate.
The new arrangement is that they share one truck and alternate nights to stay open for tow service.
Games, they tell us a lot!
DinahMoeHum
(23,639 posts)James Randi himself got into Mensa once upon a time; and promptly resigned after being booed off a podium because of a speech he gave indicating that Mensa members were the must susceptible to beliefs of the paranormal.
Johonny
(26,336 posts)I don't actually know anyone that knows their IQ. Actual smart people apparently don't need a test to prove to themselves they are smart. They're too busy doing smart things to bother with it. MENSA is part of the affirmation society.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Niners fans stick together, Drug Addicts stick together, Bibliophiles stick together.
Why do you find it necessary to be so snarky?
Maybe some of us just like some good conversation that doesn't revolve around shitting on other people.
I see you're posting insults on an Internet discussion board. Shouldn't you be out with your "actual smart people" "doing smart things"?
Hekate
(100,133 posts)...engaging in our communities in volunteerism, crafts, politics, animal welfare, you-name-it. Also plugging away at whatever line of work we've chosen, getting laid off, praying to get another job, then plugging away at that. Just like the rest of humanity in other words.
I have never even met a Mensan who has talked about their IQ score. (Of course, I only know my own region.) If you're in the top 2%, it's absolutely irrelevant. Why would you?
BubbaFett
(361 posts)and I flunked it.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)I was briefly active in one of my local groups, and I've met a lot of interesting people, but there's always at least one really kooky person who can make a meeting miserable for everyone. I haven't been to any local events since the '90s.
branford
(4,462 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)
I tried being active here in NYC, but too many people are just too strange, regardless of their politics. Basically friendly, but a little too odd for my tastes.
I maintain my membership purely for professional reasons.
WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)I just like being able to say I'm a Mensan.
branford
(4,462 posts)I try not to burst their bubble.
Journeyman
(15,464 posts)and instead of traveling through time to bring death and the evil it might generate, travel back a little further, to when Muhammad was in his mother's womb, and then "tinker biologically" to help create a perfect human being, someone full of love and desirous only of doing good, a person whose teachings would be without fault, a man called Muhammad.
How much better would this be, I'd challenge him, than simply adding to the world's woes by killing? If all he knows is brutal killing, how does that distinguish him from those he decries?
He doesn't sound like the brightest bulb, nor does he strike me as particularly educated (whenever? whoever?). But imagine the discussions that would have resulted, had you challenged him -- and the group -- by offering an unexpected means to "do away" with an historical figure not through violence but by love.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)He is not well, I think he's ill.
The group is lighthearted, AFAIK, and the topics were about family, and educational programs, the work we do, travel, etc.
His comment was dark, and perhaps his wife is the educated one, not that education cures religious bigotry.
I'm sad for him. We all took it in stride.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)came to every single meeting with the obvious goal of hogging all the snacks for their obese selves.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)We had no idea why, except LA is so damn big, but for years every person who passed through SB and decided to attend a meeting here added their own distinctly strange flavor to the mix. Too bad it wasn't Kestrel!
Hekate
(100,133 posts)It's possible your assessment of Ronny may be right. He sounds impaired. The group didn't encourage him, did they? They kind of let him do his thing within limits, demonstrating tolerance for him as an individual. If he had a stroke, they knew the man before he became impaired.
You might contact the Loc Sec or someone you know and just sound them out about Ronny -- or just wait and see. Give the group some more chances, especially as there are a variety of activities and SIGS to try out.
First and foremost, understand that Mensa is a group with only one requirement for admission. A lot of members live in their heads, so their politics will be a matter of what they have logically figured out and it may not be the way you have logically figured things out. I have met some wingnuts locally, though not many. I met my first Libertarian at Mensa. It did not go well.
First Friday and Games Night were always the social highlight for us, with a lot of attendees. One woman with a swimming pool hosted what she called the Ecdysial SIG -- skinny dipping to you. One thing you could always count on: lively conversation.
As regards people who are socially awkward: most Mensans I've met are socially well-adapted, but there are the others. One thing I noticed many years ago is how tolerant the group is toward people who are different. From reading posts on DU I realized we've probably been dealing with Aspies, but just taking it as a matter of course. Also, since I've been a member for decades, I've watched my closest friends age -- once a person is your friend you try to keep him or her around as long as they are able. My dear friend with dementia is finally in assisted living in another town close to family but far from us; in her time she was the Loc Sec, the Editor, the Proctor, and all-round core of the local group for probably 40 years, but for the past several years I and others made a point of picking her up in our cars so she could continue to participate, until she was moved away.
Just trying to give a bit of possible context for you.
OTOH, Ronny might just be a jerk. It happens.
On a much cheerier note, some of my friends are in love with the RGs and AGs (Regional Gatherings and Annual Gatherings) and attend every one of them they can. Mobs of people to meet there, tons of things to do, and they love it.
Well, that's more than enough for now. I hope you settle in and get as much enjoyment out of membership as I have.
murielm99
(33,016 posts)I enjoy my membership, too. I am getting ready to attend HalloweeM 39. It is a very large AG, hosted by the Chicago Area Mensans. (You may know that already). I am looking forward to the costume party, and to the book sale.
Yes, there are Aspies. I have always been impressed by how well accepted they are. And there are political nuts, too. We have one in our subgroup. I do not allow him to drive me crazy.
The Chicago Area chapter has an active group for gifted children. I do not attend those gatherings, but they look like fun.
The Democratic candidate in my Congressional district is a Mensan. Our area is very red, and it is likely that he will lose. But I am glad the tea bagger incumbent has an opponent who will give him a run for his money.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I really appreciate your insight.
This is a tiny group of eight or ten regulars for the monthly lunch, and older. They didn't share much about regional meetings or other organizational things.
I have always been curious about it and only recently have found that I have time for this sort of socializing.
In the village that will become my new home I've joined an international service organization with a large membership but wanted to see what Mensa would be like.
As someone who doesn't like drinking or watching sports, and who is single and has no children, and doesn't attend services, there just aren't a lot of options for meeting new friends.
And it's not about being around other "smart people". I work for a national organization and my "smart friends" are all over the map, I need a few local connections who are thoughtful people.
I think game night will be fun but once I move over to the coast I'll have to look for a new local group.
I hope that by joining I might be able to find people in my zipcode or county, at least.
Thanks very much for sharing your experience, Hekate.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)When my (ex) husband moved us here I felt very uprooted. The kids (now well into their thirties) were pre-schoolers, and everyone I knew was several thousand miles away. I tried a church, but felt like an awkward misfit. Suddenly I remembered that I had once been a member of an international club with chapters in every state and every country in the world: Mensa. While still trying to remember how to contact them, I saw a small article in the paper about some activity the local group was doing, giving the name of the Loc Sec.
The rest is history. At the time it was a very lively group indeed, and our immediate area was the center of gravity so to speak. I headed up the Book Group for about a dozen years. I met my second (and final) husband, and several of my closest friends. I've done a lot of fun things with my best friends that are not Mensa-related at all -- that's just how we met in the first place, and going to the movies/theater/whatever is an activity that brings in other people from other areas of our lives.
The only sad part is that we aged, and as we were not personally interested in recruiting, the immediate group became smaller and less lively. OTOH, the center of gravity has shifted -- if I were inclined to drive an hour in either direction, the newsletter informs me that there are a multiplicity of activities still on offer.
So keep trying -- it really is a big organization.
LeftInTX
(34,545 posts)I'm a proud member of DENSA
Hekate
(100,133 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)family know.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)EX500rider
(12,626 posts)....they meet at the Horse & Jockey in Pasadena (or did) but not looking forward to the whole "what do you do for work?"
"I'm a truck driver..." followed by a dead silence... lol
2naSalit
(103,260 posts)Aint that the truth!!
Tell them that you're a truck driver and they all move away and give you the hairy eyeball or something. It's yet another (or used to be when I did that decades ago) elite group that the stay in place society can't really grasp and are somewhat scared or intimidated by the concept. It's such an "out there" kind of lifestyle that most can barely imagine what it's like or that anyone in that group could have more than two functioning brain cells let alone have anything remotely close to a rather high IQ.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)You're not at liberty to disclose the details.
They wouldn't understand anyway!
Actually, my group was pretty pedestrian and I only learned what one of them does, she's a clinical psychologist that works with inmates.
douggg
(239 posts)where someone had to bring a fool.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)really did not know the name Muhammad?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)His appearance and manner suggest stroke or onset of dementia or some other deficits.
He first only said what I wrote, then the person next to him asked, "do you mean Muhammed?" and he nodded.
Youdontwantthetruth
(135 posts)Phds, PEs, etc
.many are sought out both nationally and internationally for their technical expertise. When it comes to knowledge outside of their field of expertise the majority are no different than your typically idiot Fox News viewer.
Most dont even read the news on the web or in hardcopy but they do follow sports and keep up with that.
In my life experiences most smart people outside of their field are idiots.
quaker bill
(8,264 posts)to actually be brilliant.
MrScorpio
(73,775 posts)This just happened in Canada, someone just defaced a Mosque:

And this is how the neighbors responded:



http://mrscorpio.tumblr.com/post/100985001799/da-pakistani-non-muslim-cold-lake-citizens-are
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)But as I said, this was a nice group of people and I think Ronny is just a victim of aging or stroke or these types of things.
My stepfather got worse and worse in the same way and couldn't self-regulate.
IMO, the words that he expressed were representative of feelings he held for years and years.
PS, thank you for responding to the topic and not to bashing Mensa or Mensa members.
What they did in Canada is awesome!
Hekate
(100,133 posts)...everywhere. "You Are Home."
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Principled Peter
(28 posts)No? Then I guess I'll have to settle for
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Of course I was the only one new to this man, Ronny.
As I said, he probably has had a stroke and is suffering from dementia, doesn't have an inner voice moderating what is appropriate.
It's an older group, and it's more sad than disgusting.
And, there actually is an eyeroll emoticon.
hunter
(40,760 posts)Every time I messed around with history things just got worse.
The last few times I went time traveling it was to stop myself!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but I'm just not a joiner and never really enjoyed the get-togethers.
I would have left the party after a comment like that.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I wouldn't want to be the wife, but I understand if she doesn't want to just leave him at home.
He had a flat affect, and head bowed down looking up, suffering from a disorder IMO.
It was definitely a downer mid way though the meal but we all just went on, only five people in total.
Hopefully, I'll be living 118 miles away by this time next year so I won't be in this group long.
I don't even think that being a dues paying member matters to them, so maybe I'll try the games night and see if there's a group in the area that will soon be home.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I think another reason why I was less than impressed with our local MENSA chapter was that the leader of the group is a lawyer for the Alaska Republican Party and is an obnoxious asshole. I just couldn't handle it, and, like I said, I've never been big on clubs, groups, associations, whatever. Some of us just appreciate our own company more than that of others. LOL.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)He said "whoever", then Leslie asked, "You mean Muhammed?", and he nodded "yes".
But I think it's just sad and he's sick.
Now it's almost funny because in this town some folks are backward and one could make a joke about the small size of the club.
But I won't.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)and it got lost in the mail or something, because I didn't get it...
If I give you my home address, can you make sure they invite me?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I'd expect a rejection letter soon.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The Siren has Risen!

Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:56 PM - Edit history (1)
It just happens to be famous. MENSA requires 2 standard deviations above normal, which is 130 when normal is 100.
Three standard deviations is 145. That's one person out of a thousand. One of the societies with that requirement is the Triple Nine Society. I could qualify if I could find the Stanford-Binet I took when I was five, but I'm not going to worry about it.
There are also others that are even more selective. I don't bother with Mensa anymore but I have had a lot of friends in it. There seemed to be a lot of overlap between science/math majors, engineers, programmers, classical musicians and Unitarians. All these groups overlapped.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Art and science and UU.
I'm familiar with the 999 but have no idea if they have a chapter near me.
My MAT score meets their criteria, maybe I'll give it a shot.
What do you know about them, what kinds of meetings or activities do they provide?
Thanks!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Mister Ed
(6,948 posts)How could a MENSA member not be bright enough to know who started Islam?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And suffering from some cognitive defect, but nobody has explained that, just my guess.
His expression and voice was flat, his words kind of muddled.
His head was often bowed down but his eyes looking up, often at me, in a stare.
Kind of creepy, Ronny's not right.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And the head is the most identifiable part that one might bring back to prove the death of the target, pre-fingerprints and DNA.
I suppose some penii are unique identifiers, and tongues!