Progressive icon Barney Frank says health care reform was a mistake in 09-10

[banned from Kos]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/barney-frank-dems-should-have-backed-off-on

Seriously?

[Politicalboi]

1. Reverse Psychology?

[Daniel537]

2. If they had waited we would have never gotten anything to begin with.

Scott Brown was elected less than a month after the Senate passed its version of HCR. Does Barney really think we could have gotten something better had they waited til after Brown was seated? Don't know where he's trying to go with this.

[joeybee12]

3. Since it was passed with only a simple majority, then Brown

makes no difference whatsover...it didn't need 60, never needed 60.

[Daniel537]

5. The Senate version was passed 60-39 on Dec. 24, 2009

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00396

What your talking about is the reconciliation bill, that's a whole different story.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Which bill is in effect now?

Thanks.

[Daniel537]

7. The PPACA, which was amended a few days after passing in reconciliation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_2010

[MannyGoldstein]

9. So the bill passed through reconcillation became law?

And what did that pass by in the Senate?

[Daniel537]

10. The PPACA passed without reconciliation, it was later amended through reconciliation

to include the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Aid_and_Fiscal_Responsibility_Act

The entire reconciliation package passed the Senate 56-43.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. The problem was pushing for RomneyObamaCare

If Americans got true HCR, there'd be no troubles today.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. It was the first political discussion in my lifetime in this country in which all players

started with the assumption that America can not do anything large, or really good, that the solutions we know work we can not use, for we are weak and poor and all of that. Our Senate is kaput.
The law itself is mediocre, the lead up was depressing as hell.

[Poll_Blind]

11. That's a pretty good encapsulation, IMO. I'd also add that it was also one of the first times....

...we actually saw the hand of the 1%, during the summer break when people were going healthcare town hall meetings with rifles slung over their shoulders. The 1% know they can spook some measurable percentage of people into a palpable "here come the Commies" blood fear. I don't think I'd ever seen that sort of handiwork on display so clearly in my lifetime.

The damage was long-done legislatively by that point though.

PB

[Honeycombe8]

12. He means as a political strategy. I don't know. But I'm glad those reforms got passed.

They're desperately needed by millions. And if I become unemployed, and I might, I will be using that health insurance federal govt website to try and find a healthcare policy. I won't qualify for a subsidy, but a lot of people will (whenever that kicks in).

[Daniel537]

13. Kicks in Jan. 2014, if the SCOTUS doesn't overturn the whole thing.

[TheKentuckian]

14. The Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act is a mistake.

Too Big Too Fail is always an egregious error. Giving such status to a predatory cartel along with permanent indenturetude for the people to such a criminal enterprise is insane.