Hillary backpedals. Again.

[cali]

hree days after Hillary Clinton said businesses don't create jobs, she cleaned up the remark, part of a critique of trickle-down economics, explaining she had "shorthanded this point the other day."

Friday at a campaign rally for Massachusetts Democratic gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley, the former secretary of state told the crowd, "Don't let anybody tell you that it's corporations and businesses that create jobs," going on to say trickle-down economics "has failed rather spectacularly."

Republicans seized on the sentence, seemingly made for an anti-Hillary Clinton campaign ad. America Rising, the main anti-Clinton super-PAC, is featuring it on the header of its website.

On Monday at a campaign event for New York Rep. Sean Maloney, a former aide to President Bill Clinton, Clinton went for a do-over, saying, "Let me be absolutely clear about what I've been saying for a couple of decades: Our economy grows when businesses and entrepreneurs create good-paying jobs here in an America where workers and families are empowered to build from the bottom up and the middle out -- not when we hand out tax breaks for corporations that outsource jobs or stash their profits overseas."

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/politics/hillary-clinton-job-creation/

It's not that she's not correct. It's that you can't make gaffes like this and not have them used as potent weapons against you- and democrats. Not to mention that Hillary has supported outsourcing in the past.

[obxhead]

1. she supports future outsourcing as well with TPP.

[AngryOldDem]

17. I think her record's been pretty clear on those points all along. n/t

[djean111]

2. Not that easy, trying to mix Corporatism with Populism, I guess. n/t

[woo me with science]

4. +100000 That old Third Way messaging problem.

It's a perilous tightrope walk, to have to claim to support the same values and principles and goals as traditional Democrats, while *carrying out* a corporate-backed policy agenda that consists of exactly the opposite.

No wonder Third Way messaging feels bizarre and crazy-making. There's always that abrupt, painful oscillation between claiming vehemently that they represent the same progressive values and goals as other Democrats (e.g., "The President wants the same things you do. He just can't get them PASSED right now!&quot ...

...and then accusing other Democrats of being extreme and "fringe" and unreasonable for having those very values and goals.

A clearer word for it is "lying."

[djean111]

5. I wonder how long it will take for the Hillary IS TOO A LIBERAL chart to appear today. n/t

[woo me with science]

6. Don't look at the reality in front of you.

Look at this chart that says, "Two plus two equals five!"

Orwell was a prophet.

[djean111]

7. Orwell didn't take the internet into consideration - now we can ask "where does the TPP fit

into that chart?". Plus there is that deeds not words thingy.

[pampango]

21. It does not seem that TPP is a good trade agreement, but Democrats support them more than

republicans, in general. Of course, the modern RW base pretty much hates all international agreements and organzations.

[woo me with science]

65. [phone] That's why

That's why they're working on gaining control of the internet as we speak...

Bankrolled by broadband donors, house democrat/republican lobby FCC against net neutrality
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024966773

Net neutrality foes outspent backers by over three to one – and that's just so far
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024965396

Bill Moyers blisters Obama for abandoning his net neutrality promises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017189841

Why did President Obama appoint Tom Wheeler, Cable Crony, to head the FCC?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024521140

FCC Incest: Meet the Cable Cronies Who Control Net Neutrality's Future
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024986869

The murder of net neutrality
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024903646

Obama's FCC Destroying Net Neutrality: FCC Chairman’s Many Excuses
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/05/fcc_chairman_tom_wheeler_s_lame_excuses_for_his_net_neutrality_proposal.2.html

[Enthusiast]

11. I wonder if she is a socialist, like Obama.

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[MannyGoldstein]

14. Almost exactly like Obama. nt

[Enthusiast]

10. It's a real challenge.

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[Jackpine Radical]

37. Corporations are people, my friend.

I heard that somewhere…

[Maedhros]

49. Wouldn't it just be easier for her to get on the phone with her big-dollar donors

and tell them "Hey! I'm going to start spouting some populist rhetoric in the press, you know, for the rubes. Don't let it worry you, I've still got your back."

[LawDeeDah]

52. Oil and water.

but hey, a Clinton can try it and see what comes out in his/her favor. If it's bad, then it's a misspeak, problem solved. Or people don't understand our elevated thoughts and ideas.

[imthevicar]

3. sell your soul,

[Kingofalldems]

8. More Hillary bashing.

[LordGlenconner]

43. We all have to make a living

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Hillary Rodham Romney

Oh what a pile of @$!# we make
When at first, we practice to triangulate

[Mister Nightowl]

12. When she's the Nominee.....

...can we stop with the bashing? Please? Or would you rather President Cruz?

[TBF]

13. Because those are the only

2 possible choices ...

[LordGlenconner]

42. That may be what it comes down to

And then again, maybe not.

[AngryOldDem]

16. Let's just give her the nomination now and spare us the trouble....

...of both the primaries and the tired, old meme: "Would you rather have (fill in the blank with another odious choice)."

Not everyone is on board with HRC and I think we have the right to look for, and expect, other options this early in the process, before we're told to like it or lump it.

Flame away.

[Mister Nightowl]

19. "this early in the process"

Hey, I've no problem with that; I just hope the party will close ranks after the primaries are over. And, in case you're wondering, YES, I will vote for whomever we nominate against the GOP.

[Youdontwantthetruth]

24. Give Hillary the Nomination and the Republican will win

[Javaman]

20. Owww, that post made my brain sad. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. they WOULD there is NO doubt in my mind....

that is the game!

[Capt. Obvious]

29. I read your post

and I LOLed

[LondonReign2]

51. Clumsy

It's Ok, I'm sure the Pro's will teach you as you go

[JEB]

58. I'll stop the bashing

when she is NOT the Democratic nominee.

[LawDeeDah]

60. Bashing Obama has always been accepted here. The most vile insults stand.

Like that disgusting Piece of Shit Used Car Salesman - and it got many recs.

So why the special treatment for Hillary? She isn't even in office for anything and yet we have to be tenderfooted and considerate of her when Obama gets a beating multiple times a day here?

I don't think so. That would be sexist and hypocrital.

[bemildred]

15. I don't need a job anyway, I need income, I need money.

A job is just an inferior way to get money.

[Vattel]

18. Anyone but a Republican or Clinton or O'Malley or Cuomo or Biden.

[bigwillq]

23. Ha! Pretty much.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. As long as the substitute is not a long time anti gay Reagan death policy supporter....

Because there is no backpedal quite like becoming a 'Progressive' overnight after spending years voting for horrific Republicans and their hateful, anti choice, anti gay policies. 'I was content to witness the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans and eager to continue the silence and lack of action in that time of global health crisis, but forget about that now I am a Democrat!!!!'

[dembotoz]

25. such a habit--she could be a nun

clothing joke....

[YarnAddict]

26. What was up with that delivery?

I've seen the clip several times. At first I thought she was speaking that way to kind of make a point about what a ridiculous idea trickle-down is, but it didn't quite come off that way.

Now I'm wondering if there isn't something else going on. Has she been ill, or something? She seemed really tired, and kind of groping for words, or maybe just totally disinterested.

I don't know. Trouble is, when she is running for Pres she will need a much more dynamic presentation.

What do you think?

[dsc]

28. I am going to be as blunt as can be

if Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders had said the same thing, word for word, as Hillary did you would be in the amen chorus.

[Le Taz Hot]

32. That is called projection.

It's the Party-Before-Country crowd that is horrified about things like torture, right up until the time that "their" guy does it, then it's OK. But thanks for the projection illustration. It was perfect.

[dsc]

39. and your post is called dishonesty

I have repeatedly as in over and over again, criticized Obama for both not going after Bush for torture and for the problems we have had with security services in his administration. It is rank dishonestly to say otherwise.

[Le Taz Hot]

48. No, that is called you injecting something I never claimed.

I spoke specifically about the "Party-Before-Country" crowd, not your personally. I have no idea what your record is. You tried to assert that progressives offer up a different response on issues depending upon who takes up those issues. Example: When Bush engaged in torture it was a crime against humanity, whereas, if Obama does it, it's justified. That is exactly what the Party Faithful did. On the other hand, when Elizabeth Warren basically came out and sided with Israel, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PROGRESSIVES disagreed with her and weren't afraid to call her on it. That's the difference.

[cali]

34. `bzzzt. fail. I'll be blunter. Wrongo, dear.

First of all, it may be difficult, but try and follow. What I was criticizing, was her making this gaffe in much the same way as the "we came out of the White House broke". It's the sort of comment that is red meat to republicans because it's so damn easy to exploit. And even if Bernie said it or Warren said it, I'd think it was a stupid way of phrasing. High level politicians who have been around the block, shouldn't make such overt goofs.

Oh, and if Bernie did say it, it wouldn't be hypocritical. duh.

[LawDeeDah]

61. If Warrren or Sanders said it

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big deal. People do misspeak sometime, but they don't have a mansions worth of skeletons in their closets like Hillary does.

Of course Hillary's gaffes are going to stand out more just because she seems to be especially prone to them and the last one is most likely to have happened yesterday or last week.

[True Blue Door]

30. Hillary is afraid of Republicans, always has been. Terrified down to her core.

It poisons everything she does. And I don't mean little mistakes like this, but when Republicans inevitably seize on them, her response as a Democratic nominee would be to spasmodically leap in the opposite direction and start touting her "pro-business" credentials. Her general election campaign would practically become Mitt Romney's. If we nominate this loser, prepare for a nonstop disgrace train probably followed by defeat.

It's not speculation. It's how she operated as a victorious Senator.

[earthside]

33. That is so true.

Like a lot of Democratic Party establishment 'leaders' and high-powered consultants, Hillary down deep believes that the natural political state of America is Republican.

Therefore, Democratic Party candidates and officeholders like her are always looking for ways to just barely keep the liberal/progressive base satisfied -- but hidden away -- while tacking to the right as far as possible.

Sadly, I think Pres. Obama believes this, too.

In my inverted way of looking at politics, I actually think that Hillary Clinton is probably one of the weaker presidential nominees the Democratic Party could put forward in 2016. Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton -- she simply does not have the intrinsic political talent or acumen of Bill Clinton, indeed, she is a rather awkward and stiff campaigner. Hillary is also inclined to listen to the most conservative of her political advisors as we saw so graphically demonstrated in 2008 (Mark Penn).

The Democrats best chance to win big and run the table in 2014 is to nominate an honest-to-goodness real progressive populist.

My picks for the 2016 ticket: Warren/Beshear ... or ... Schweitzer/Crist ... or ... Sherrod Brown/Hickenlooper

There is a lot of potential for Democrats, exciting and bold.
By comparison, Hillary is so, so boring.

[Eleanors38]

40. That trained-dog dynamic is a bad habit learned well.

Over and over, Democrats back down when a GOPer swashes that big belly in front of 'em.

And the public sees it. Over and over.

[Baitball Blogger]

31. If businesses don't create jobs, why are our local governments inducing them with

tax dollars to relocate into their cities? It's not like they produce commercial tax dollars either, since they'll just relocate out of the city once the inducement dollars stop.

[Orsino]

35. The inducements therefore aren't entirely for job creation...

...but are to increase profits.

[Baitball Blogger]

36. Exactly.

It's patronage money. Corporations, afterall, are owned by CEOs who mingle with city officials in various private organizations. (i.e. Chamber of Commerce, Rotary Club...) The money gets returned in the form of campaign donations, and decisions in local government are geared to perpetuate the cycle of cronyism.

[Fumesucker]

38. One person's backpedaling is another person's pragmatic tactical priority re-adjustment

[stevenleser]

41. She misspoke. It's just not that big of a deal. nt

[Ykcutnek]

44. The gaffe was "businesses don't create jobs"

It might sound good to our nuttiest base voters who believe business has no place in an economy, but it's not rooted in reality.

Her "backpedaling" was common sense and more in line with what a valid presidential candidate should be saying.

[Maedhros]

50. Market demand creates jobs.

Businesses respond to the market.

[Ykcutnek]

53. Yes, this is true.

And government can play a large, effective role in that.

[Maedhros]

55. The objection to the "businesses creates jobs" rhetoric

comes from the statement's implication that governmental policies should always favor business and the attendant benefits will "trickle down" to the unwashed masses in the form of jobs.

Better governmental policy would be to encourage prosperity among the working classes, which would create demand for goods and services and spur economic growth from the bottom up.

Basic Conservative v. Liberal economic theory.

[LawDeeDah]

62. How would you explain the popularity of the Pet Rock, for ex.

that is business making a market, the public only demanded it after that market was made, by business, which did create some jobs.

I admit I am a bit lost in this conversation. I don't really understand what Hillary meant, but I wouldn't have understood no matter who said that. It's just that she does this so often that I gravitate to the subject.

I think perhaps we are talking about two different eras: The 'business creates jobs' was truer during Henry Fords business day than it is now where big business (the big greedy corps, not all big business is like that, just saying) just creates money - money made on the mysterious markets, vulture take overs of other companies, with no real service or product produced and less labor needed, or labor used in sweat shop countries.

[lindysalsagal]

46. Its never today's bad Hillary moment that's the issue:Its her trust record.

And I don't trust her. Republicans despise her. I admire her in many ways. But I'll never trust her.

She also could lose it all for us.

[okieinpain]

47. lol, that presidential stuff is not easy.

They look to hang you on every word. Get ready president clinton a shiY storm is headed your way.

[hifiguy]

54. She backpedals so much

she should put her shoes on backwards.

And never forget this:



Or this, with her BFF Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman:



We know who your real friends are, HRC, and they're some of Earth's most notorious criminals. And we're not forgetting.

[Le Taz Hot]

56. That first picture

is the one that infuriates me. But then again, I remember the Nixon years with loathing.

[Darb]

57. She's right, demand creates jobs, not corps.

If corps could operate without hiring anyone they would. And are moving in that direction as we speak. It's economic demand that forces them to hire people to meet that demand. Of course, they could just sit idly by and take a pass on that revenue, let some other corp meet the demand, but that's not likely, not when your goal is world domination.

With a weak middle class, lower demand, less jobs. Not sure how the 1% thinks it can have a thriving economy doing business with itself.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

59. Hillary has become adept at CYA.

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Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins
He's eatin' bullshit!)

Bob Dylan

[woo me with science]

64. It's hilarious at this point.

Or it would be, if it weren't so pathetic.

[woo me with science]

63. K&R

[woo me with science]

66. kick

[2banon]

67. HRC was backed by Lynn Forester de Rothschild in 2008 (learned today)

during the primaries, then she became a McCain backer in opposition to Obama, according to an old article published by Business Insider.

I came across this while researching California Appellate Judicial candidates on my ballot, which eventually led me to the Rothschild's rabbit hole.. and I stumbled on this bit.