Anyone have a side-by-side slide or photo of the economic numbers and pol issues when BO came into

[kelliekat44]

office in 2008 vs the numbers now?

unemployment
gasoline prices
job creation
deficit
bin Laden
al quaeda
troops in Iraq and Afghanistan etc?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Hmm

I think the official poverty rate was around 13% in 2008, somewhere around 16% now, iirc.

And the workforce participation rate hit a 36 year low earlier this year, although admittedly that actually makes the 'unemployment' number look better.

Average gas price according to historical charts at gasbuddy.com are a bit funky, but seem to show an average price of just over $2 a gallon just before the president was elected, that then climbed steadily during his first term to almost $4 a gallon, then have simply seesawed around an average of mid $3 prices for the last 3-4 years.

Let's see, military suicides each year have almost tripled since 2008.

I haven't come across civilian deaths from drone strikes, yet, but I bet they've climbed quite a bit.

And I heard the administration has prosecuted more people for leaking info than the past five administrations put together, although I'd like to see that written down, since I know the talking heads frequently misstate these sorts of things.

And of course, we've found that 93% of the 'recovery' went to the obscenely wealthy, while average Americans paychecks have actually declined. as many of the 'new' jobs created have paid less than the 'old' jobs people lost.

Is that the sort of 'etc' you're looking for? Or did you only want positive spin numbers?

[kelliekat44]

2. Give me what you have.

Of course what you spouted are mostly stuff BO inherited. Suicides were a result of having PTSD from that illegal war in Iraq and the lack of help from the government thanks to GOP obstruction. We all know why the gasoline prices rose but who wants to give credit to the current administration for opening up more oil venues and than his predecessor, and energy policies that have made more competition for oil (if he gets blame, he must get credit).

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Suicide is very complex, of course,

but I think there's more there than just 'what went before', but also 'what we keep doing'.

And I think 'opening up more oil venues' is exactly the wrong thing to do. I'm actually not inherently opposed to high gasoline prices. Keeping the price low is what suppresses our search for cleaner alternatives. Ditto natural gas fracking, coal, nuclear. As long as we subsidize and allow ever more 'venues to be opened', we're not going to get past the use of the the dirty fuels that are destroying the ability of humans to live on the planet. So the President's willingness to allow more drilling offshore and more fracking coast to coast is a bad thing, not something to be celebrated.

[Andy823]

4. You have a good point

"if he gets blame, he must get credit"

However for some on this board that doesn't seem to make sense, all the can do is put all the "blame" on the president, but not give him credit for all the good things he has done. Doom and gloom is all the got.