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Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:37 PM

 

Ralph Nader: Hillary Clinton is a 'menace to the United States'

She may be leading all of the polls looking ahead to the 2016 presidential election, but Ralph Nader, the former Green Party and Independent Party presidential candidate, doesn't want anything to do with Hillary Clinton.

In an interview with WeAreChange earlier this week, Nader sounded off on Clinton, saying she's "a menace to the United States."

He starts off by saying she's too big of a "corporatist and a militarist."
But then he kicks it up a notch.

“She thinks Obama is too weak, he doesn’t kill enough people overseas," Nader said. "So she’s a menace to the United States of America.”

http://politics.suntimes.com/article/washington/ralph-nader-hillary-clinton-menace-united-states/wed-10292014-208pm

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Reply Ralph Nader: Hillary Clinton is a 'menace to the United States' (Original post)
Rhinodawg Oct 2014 OP
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Politicalboi Oct 2014 #2
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fredamae Oct 2014 #92
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Ron Green Oct 2014 #11
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Adrahil Oct 2014 #65
MH1 Oct 2014 #107
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JHB Oct 2014 #12
Ron Green Oct 2014 #16
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Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #21
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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:09 AM

96. Nah, he's getting injections to his Swiss bank account

You can always count on this guy to do or say things that help the repugs.

It's like clockwork — who can forget 2000.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:40 PM

2. Ralph Nader

 

Unsafe at any age. STFU Ralphie.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:01 PM

13. + 1

please!!!!

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:49 AM

92. "STFU Ralphie"

I second!

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:43 PM

103. Good thing no one actually listens to this "Independent" Republican operative asshole anymore.

I notice he never gets around to criticizing and writing long, bloviated editorials about Republicans. Hmmm...

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:40 PM

3. Still pissed off about your Cisco systems dividend Ralph?

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:47 PM

4. Ralph has crawled out of the woodwork again? Ugh

STFU and go away Ralph.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:38 AM

56. Yeah,let's put the warmonger into office.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:50 PM

5. the man who gave us Junior has also praised Rand Paul

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:43 PM

28. Well Ralph helped W win so...

As soon as Jeb talks about running, up pops "Raaaaaaalpf. " Does Ralph work for Karl Rove and the Bush Whackers?

I award Ralph, this week's in re award, of the week.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:50 PM

6. Well, at least Nader isn't such a menace, because...

he's completely irrelevant.

Some people just can't handle obscurity.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:52 PM

7. Like him or hate him, he still has a huge following.

 

just sayin.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:53 PM

8. Hillary's following dwarfs his

just sayin.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:55 PM

9. But his is shrinking...

or growing too senile to know the difference.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:33 PM

25. Its Hugh! He has dozens of loyal followers who'll proudly follow him into irrelevance....

Its really hugh!

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:35 PM

26. rofl

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:36 AM

55. Not really, he arguably killed the Green Party.

His following may be with the politically apathetic more than anything else. No grassroots backing.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:56 PM

10. Fuck YU NADIR!

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:57 PM

11. Everything he says in this interview is absolutely true.

I don't understand the hate.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:04 PM

14. See #12 below.

Can't speak for other people's issues with him, but that's mine.

That and his myopia about "not a dime's worth of difference". There isn't nearly as much difference as there should be, but when one party has gone completely off the deep end there's a hell of a lot more than a dime.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:06 PM

15. It usually is

rarely, if ever, will you hear someone address the actual text of what he says.

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Response to G_j (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:18 PM

20. There's more than 8 years of evidence he is a fraud, whats the point?

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Response to G_j (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:00 AM

65. Well the thing is...

 

Little Ralphie usually expresses a broad opinion rather than making an argument from specific facts. Arguing against that typically turns into a "nuh-uh" contest. And Ralphie is an narcissist asshole to boot, so you have that.

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Response to G_j (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:45 PM

107. Did he, or did he not, say "there's not a dime's worth of difference" between Dems and republicans?

I see that particular "actual text" addressed here all the time.

Some statements matter more than others.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:08 PM

17. Oh yes, fuck, maybe we should draft him as a 3rd party candidate!, LOL.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:20 PM

22. Nader's narcissism has been very bad for this country.

 

He let his ego come before even the most basic common sense. Had it not been for him, shrub would have never been President.

You can talk about him being "right" all you want, but the Iraq war would have never happened had he not run in 2000.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:36 PM

27. He deliberately tossed the 2000 election from Al Gore to George Bush

and now he has the nerve to disparage Hillary.

That's why.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:14 PM

48. Because this is a "partisan" Democratic forum? Could that be it? Ya think?

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

AFAIK, Nader isn't a Democrat, so he's met here with the same disdain as any other non-Democrat. Hope that helps.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:05 AM

72. Content doesn't matter

just march in unison!

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #72)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:03 PM

101. An unflushed toilet also has "content". Just sayin'.....

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #101)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:34 PM

102. See what I mean?

It's not about *having* content. It's what the content *is*. Duh.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #102)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:07 PM

105. How's this for "content"?



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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:39 AM

83. PLUS ONE!

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:41 AM

86. Mark me down as disagreement being hate as getting real tiresome

I mean, really, really ineffective.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:06 AM

95. because he still has not apologized for 2000

And from the sound of it would like to run again so he can make Romney or Jeb President.

Making RALPH himself, the menace.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #95)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:05 PM

104. I dont think he will ever apologize.

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:59 PM

12. Ralphie! Where ya been?

No, really, where? You've had 14 years since 2000 (18 if you include 1996) to build an effective independent party. How much time have you spent on it? Promoting it, finding candidates, promoting them, things that would actually be effective, not simply making the occasional speech and winging in as a "candidate" every few years. Local level, state level, federal level, how many candidates has your party run?

Gadfly.

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Response to JHB (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:06 PM

16. There's a role for a gadfly as well.

He didn't build a movement, but neither did anyone else.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:13 PM

18. As just another loser, you forgot that part. nt

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:17 PM

19. At one time, Nader was a legend.

 

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:30 PM

24. What role is that, and how is it constructive if it's left to whither?

The other people at least don't pop up every few years to pretend to build a movement.

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Response to JHB (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:28 PM

23. AND

Where was his outrage when it is obvious that republicans want to take healthcare away from people. When the SC ruled on hobby lobby, when republicans have enacted these abortion restrictions, when republicans blocked the disability treaty.....

I am not thrilled by the idea of Hillary Clinton being our nominee, but this is overkill. I am not going to discount the possibility that he could exert some influence again.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:19 PM

21. Oh boy.

It's the Party Faithful's dog whistle. I haven't even read upthread but I already know the response. There may be drooling involved and perhaps a little bit of spittle.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:44 PM

29. You have to be able to hold 3 things about Nader in mind all at the same time:

1) He has spoken a great deal of truth over the years, and is doing so again.
2) He has sometimes been a majorly destructive and divisive force on the left.
3) Observation # 2 doesn't invalidate observation # 1.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:42 PM

39. Observation 4) #1 doesn't exempt him from criticism...

...when another bout of #2 is looming.

I don't care for Hillary for even more reasons that Ralphie has, but 'menace to the United States'? In an era where the Republicans are pining to eliminate the 20th Century? For whom any restraint on business owners, any public investment, and -- in particular -- Ralph's signature accomplishments are equated with the Warsaw Pact? Whose public officials have such a blinkered fantasy-view of the world they wouldn't notice if a dragon flew by?

in that situation I have very little patience for Ralphie's myopia.

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Response to JHB (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:57 PM

44. Menaces come in different sizes and concentrations.

As far as I'm concerned, issues like climate change, overpopulation and environmental degradation are rushing at us at blinding speed. (Sorta literally--most of us are blind to the rate and devastating potential of the onrush.)

The Democrats pay at least lip service in acknowledgement of the impending Perfect Storm, and will likely do some minor things to ameliorate the impact, while the Republicans and their corporate sponsors are willfully blind to the coming catastrophe.

It's a choice between a rapid drop into perdition under Republican control and a somewhat slower slide to the same destination under the conventional Democratic policies I anticipate.

Given only those choices, I choose the latter, if only in hopes of buying us time to wake up. Or, on a more cynical and self-centered level, I'm old and would as soon live out the remainder of my years without fully experiencing the misery I know to be coming.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:32 AM

53. sadly,none of those three

contradict each other.

Just like

1) Bill Clinton slowed down the progress of the GOP (true)
2) Bill Clinton proved that taxing the rich doesNOT sink the eocnomy, but helps it (true)
3) Bill Clinton gave away the damned store with letting Glass_Steagall and the fairness Doctrine be axed (Damned true)

Sadly, even our heroes have villain sides to them.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:45 PM

30. Radical organization elicits radical monologue from washed-up old fart.

 

More at 11.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:52 PM

31. Drop Dead Ralph Nadir

You have no relevant place in our country or history.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:53 PM

32. Honest question

 

I forget... is Nader the most dangerous man alive today, or Greenwald?

Regards,

TWM

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:57 PM

34. Nader reminds people of how much they hate democratic elections.

 

Or it lets others know just how much some hate democratic elections.

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Response to Rex (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:01 PM

35. He reminds me of how much I hate some of the jackasses that run in them. lol.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #35)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:39 AM

57. Sure,we don't want to spoil the MIC party.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:56 PM

33. Fuck Ralph Nader...

and his groupies.

Sid

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:13 PM

36. So Ralphie....what exactly did you do to improve the situation?

Say, between 2001 and 2009?

Didn't exactly work very hard to make people talk about corporatism and militarism during that time frame.

Where's that third party to challenge the "not a dime's worth of difference"? Why haven't you been working on it?

Golly, it's almost like you're seeking attention instead of seeking change.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:14 PM

37. He' right.

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:17 PM

38. He' wrong.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:43 PM

40. He' a dessert topping.

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Response to JHB (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:03 PM

41. And a floor wax.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:17 AM

68. Hahaha!

#37, #38, #40, and #41 - bravo on a great sequence of posts!

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:10 PM

42. Who unlocked the door to the crypt before Halloween?

Christ, it isn't like Hillary drives a Corvair or something really spooky like that!!!

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:14 PM

43. Fuck him

he's the real danger. If it weren't for him and his "no difference between the parties" horseshit, there never would have been a President Dubya, with all the bullshit wr've had since. Fuck him and his continued efforts to fuck over and smear Dems.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #43)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:01 PM

45. Multiple factors contributed synergistically to produce the debacle of 2000.

He's certainly one of them.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:04 PM

46. How Bout George Bush, Was He A Menace?

 

go away old man

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Response to otohara (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:00 AM

60. Oh no, Ralphie told us there was no difference between Bush and Gore. Right?

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:07 PM

47. Let me get this straight:

so just a while ago, he proposed an alliance with Libertarians (the same crowd that opposes expanded health care and wants to ultimately eliminate the safety net) while attacking Obama, and now he's calling HC a "menace"?
He's obviously diagnosed with the "Doesn't-Know-WTF-He's-Talking-About Syndrome".

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:36 PM

49. Nader is pissed that Democrats haven't lined up to follow him over the cliff. We elected a black...

guy, and that was just too far for him. If he hadn't already lost it in 2000, the election of BHO sent him right over the edge, despite Nader's best efforts to peel off support.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:56 PM

50. What has he said about Romney? Christie? Jeb?

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:18 AM

51. Ralph Nader is becoming another Lyndon LaRouche.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:21 AM

52. Maybe he has a future in the Democratic Presidential Primary...

Plenty of DUers would likely support him.....

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #52)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:43 AM

54. Only if he takes the litmus test . . .

. . . and promises not to reproduce!
No cloning, either!!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #52)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:27 PM

110. If Nader had run in the Democratic primaries in 2000, I would have voted for him.

 

He would have been in several televised debates with Gore and Bradley. He would have drawn more attention to his views. He would have mobilized a lot of people to become active in Democratic Party politics and help us oust the DINOs. He would have gotten more votes than he did running in the general election.

Not to mention the minor matter that Al Gore would have become President.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:49 AM

58. He's right. The corporate agenda is a menace to the country and to democracy itself,

being relentlessly pushed by both Republican and Democratic corporatists, including Hillary.

And until people get past the hyperpartisan wagon-circling and start rallying the nation to demand representation on issues rather than party, these criminals in both parties will continue to feed us a suicidal corporate agenda.

Hillary stands for more deluges of corporate money driving policy, the familiar agenda of perpetual war, TPP, austerity, mass surveillance, assaults on journalism and suppression of dissent, "Kill Lists," indefinite detention, all manner of corporate domestic policies, and dismantling of the Bill of Rights of our Constitution....and so will the ultimate Republican candidate.

Republicans have virtually no chance of running anyone in 2016 who can stand even for a while during the campaign against these things, to help educate the nation and grow the dissent we desperately need to save ourselves from the corporate coup well underway in this nation.

Democrats actually have a couple of possibilities who might be able to do some good, if we get behind them strongly now and push to keep menaces like Hillary out of the running.

We can respond to the hyperpartisan corporate dog whistles and mindlessly rally around Hillary because Nader is a poopy head and Hillary has a deceptive (D) after her name, or we can look honestly at the malignant agenda she represents and try our damnedest to avoid running another corporate Trojan horse in 2016.

I know which route I would rather take.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:35 AM

63. I think I'll miss you when you're gone. nt

 

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:18 AM

79. Agree wholeheartedly. Thank you.

 

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:38 AM

82. +1000...

..... the facts of the matter, well said.

Hopefully, somehow, it will not be a choice between a horrid HRC and a more horrid Republican, hopefully we can nominate someone who is not exclusively on the side of the 1%.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:47 PM

100. You are exactly correct.

 

Thanks for posting.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:55 AM

59. Ralphie, go home yer mother's calling you

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:39 AM

61. From the man who said George W Bush was harmless.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:52 AM

62. says the egomaniacal asshole who helped install Dubya into the White House

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:42 AM

64. Seeing Nader brings back memories....

 

some good and some not so good.

I'd like to see a debate between Nader and Clinton.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #64)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:19 AM

98. I would like to have seen him in debates in 96 and 2000. But they locked him out. nt

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:52 AM

66. Looks like Ralph

 

wants to help another Bush get elected.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:56 AM

67. Oh, shut up, Ralph

You're so tiresome.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:19 AM

69. Oh, go eat a bag of you-know-what, Ralph.

And I hope you choke on it, you irrelevant asshole.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:27 AM

70. I looked up "narcissistic fuckwad" in the dictionary.

I found a picture of Ralphie.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:01 AM

71. .

The truth hurts, as evidenced by the predictable, stereotypical responses in this thread.



And, of course, for the record, as I have reminded people ad nauseum every time a Nader hate thread pops up, I never voted for him, anywhere, for anything, and I voted for Al Gore in 2,000.

That doesn't mean that I'm not honest enough to acknowledge his legitimate points, even when they are a bit hyperbolic, as this one is.

Hillary Clinton, as a representative of the dlc/centrist/3rd way/new dem/neoliberal wing of the party, is not good for the party nor for the country. She represents a faction that IS a menace.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #71)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:07 AM

73. yep. I agree more with Nader on the issues

than i do Hillary Kissinger Clinton. she and Dick Cheney have the same foreign policy beliefs.

and i voted for Gore in 2000. I will never blame Nader for 2000. it's fucking pompous to presume Gore/Lieberman was owed those Nader votes.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #71)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:18 AM

78. Fuck you Michael Moore!

I mean GG, I mean Dennis Kucinich... oops..where the hell am I?...

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Response to G_j (Reply #78)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:26 AM

81. That's right.

Fuck all those loony fringe lefties who just don't "get it."

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Response to LWolf (Reply #81)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:44 AM

90. after all, I don't believe any one of them gets to

pal around with Henry Kissinger.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:10 AM

74. Seems Mr Nader struck a nerve.

The I'm not much of a Ralph fan, he does have a way of putting the truth out there. Whether Mr Nader runs or not, is irrelevant to me. Either way, I will not vote for a Clinton ever again in my life.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #74)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:19 AM

80. Oh, he struck a nerve BIG time. Attack the messenger is the order of the day. Or year. Or always.

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #80)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:44 AM

89. Messengers do not render opinion

He's being attacked for his opinion, as anyone can be.

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Response to treestar (Reply #89)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:53 AM

93. An awful lot of the posts here are just attacks on him and his (mis)deeds, not a refutation,

 

with reasons, of his opinion of Hillary Clinton.
He is being attacked for HAVING an opinion on Hillary.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #93)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:59 AM

94. His opinion of Hillary is a very generalized attack

If he had specifics, it might be possible to discuss them.

It sounds more like trolling for attention than anyone else. He knows Hillary is a front runner thus far, so he generally attacks her with OTT language about being a menace to the U.S. That's not constructive.

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Response to treestar (Reply #94)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:17 AM

97. The things he does not like about Hillary are the things that I do not like about Hillary.

 

In the scheme of things DU, I guess that makes me a Naderite, which I am not, but so it goes.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:10 AM

75. Hillary Clinton 'Menace to the United States'

 

Will make a great sig line!

Thanks Ralph for reminding people who she really is!

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:11 AM

76. And Ralph is not?

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:13 AM

77. I don't like Hillary at all, but Nader is a bullshit hypocrite.

You can tell his words are hollow like a termite-eaten stump. Just another politician pandering to his base to get elected.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:40 AM

84. To those who disagree with Nader, watch this video

 

How can anyone support her?

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Response to Reter (Reply #84)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:48 AM

91. Don't mistake the Death Eaters inhabiting the party for democrats of yore

Many on this board love this shit.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:40 AM

85. Ralph Nader is a menace!

 

Never will forgive him for 2000.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:42 AM

87. He's right, and no amount of shrieking, foaming, and spasmodic writhing will change it. n/t

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:43 AM

88. Does he have any thing more specific on which to disagree?

"Menace to the U.S." if OTT. Can no one use moderation in their terminology any more? It's making me think they have no real argument they can use on which to debate, rending them ineffectual.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:27 PM

99. Like many, I do not want Hillary, but

Ralph is obviously doing his little "pay attention to me" dance, which will be followed by him and jane hamsher gladly taking right wing money.

To those who say "he Iz telling Duh Troof!" I offer you this, the best con jhobs are based on truths perverted to the con artist's game, and Raplihe has a goood oen going, one that will keep him in Champagne and Big cars long after whatever fantasy you have about a third party beign elected fades out.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #99)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:19 PM

106. How DOES he support himself ?

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:23 PM

108. Anyone still paying attention to Ralph Nader was already down on Hillary Clinton.

 

This statement of his serves no purpose except to get his name in the paper again.

There might even be a backlash. Before I opened this thread, I considered Clinton a corporatist and a militarist. I still think that. Nevertheless, I'll admit to being slightly uncomfortable at finding myself on the same side as Nader. Stopped clock, I remind myself.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:26 PM

109. She is a menace.

But she was merely a Bush toady. She isn't the one who helped the fucker get into power.

It's a mathematical fact: No Nader in 2000 = President Al Gore in 2001. No amount of disenfranchisement or hanging chads would have overcome the 30,000 or so votes Nader took from Gore in Florida.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:30 PM

111. Ralph Nader can go to Hell (nfm)

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