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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:07 PM Nov 2014

Ok... Let's Try It This Way... Do YOU Think The Democrats Will Keep The Senate ???



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Yes... The Democrats Keep The Senate.
12 (34%)
No... The Democrats Lose The Senate.
21 (60%)
Well... It's A Tie... And Joe Biden Will Be Very Busy...
2 (6%)
There is no obligatory other.
0 (0%)
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Ok... Let's Try It This Way... Do YOU Think The Democrats Will Keep The Senate ??? (Original Post) WillyT Nov 2014 OP
No freaking idea. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #1
Would you be... 3catwoman3 Nov 2014 #2
Think we will hold by two seats. maced666 Nov 2014 #3
No way. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #4
I agree customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #5
actually we saw 1994 coming dsc Nov 2014 #8
I don't think anyone knew about 1994. The thing upaloopa Nov 2014 #31
by early October the stories of us being in trouble started dsc Nov 2014 #34
1994 was very predicted, it was all over talk radio as an upcoming Republican blowout Reter Nov 2014 #46
Can I vote on Wednesday??!! oldandhappy Nov 2014 #6
Doesn't really matter, so long as there's no supermajority Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #7
Democrats won't filibuster Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #13
Will you say it doesn't matter if there is a Supreme Court retirement? nt branford Nov 2014 #18
Yes, and for the same reason Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #20
I think you're confused. branford Nov 2014 #25
You're right, you're right, you're always right. We should do something about it. Like vote. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #26
I'm voting, but since I'm in NYC, I'll sadly have little effect in the close Senate races. branford Nov 2014 #28
Will there be an SC retirement if Dems hold the senate? pstokely Nov 2014 #42
Who knows, but health concerns could trump the best laid plans. branford Nov 2014 #43
Why wouldn't Republicans change the rule? earthside Nov 2014 #29
The obligatory other is "Nobody has a clue" brooklynite Nov 2014 #9
Guts says we lose it AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #10
Sounds pretty spot on to me madville Nov 2014 #11
I'm here, Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #23
I think you nailed it Kilgore Nov 2014 #27
Don't know bigwillq Nov 2014 #12
Lose seats, keep majority by a hair. toddwv Nov 2014 #14
sometimes I get gut feelings, usually enormous churning and fear roguevalley Nov 2014 #15
How's Begich doing down there, Rogue? Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #22
he's got a great ground game. I would help more but after twenty-five years of doing it as a roguevalley Nov 2014 #39
That's the way it feels up here, too. Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #47
Depends on which question you're actually asking: True Blue Door Nov 2014 #16
And gain the House! Rex Nov 2014 #17
That would be a political upset of epic proportions. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #37
Yes and I'm a negative guy PAProgressive28 Nov 2014 #19
Anybody's guess. Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #21
. randome Nov 2014 #24
Yes they will. My guess is voter suppression upaloopa Nov 2014 #30
If Democrats get out and vote, Democrats will keep the Senate. baldguy Nov 2014 #32
I want my vote to be true (I will think positively) etherealtruth Nov 2014 #33
I really have no idea, but I voted "yes." City Lights Nov 2014 #35
Didn't vote, but if forced to I'd lean towards no. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #36
I Don't Know. I'm Biting My Nails n/t Vogon_Glory Nov 2014 #38
If I were betting my sadly honest marker would go down for "no" Recursion Nov 2014 #40
Well... BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #41
OUTSIDE of the MSM and poll hag wringing over polls, yes, think Democrats can. maced666 Nov 2014 #44
Why didn't you add the option "Democrats will expand their majority"? Reter Nov 2014 #45
I'm not going to count them before they're counted. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #48

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. No freaking idea.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:13 PM
Nov 2014

Simply too many races in the margin of error. At best, I barely expect to hang on to it, and only then if indeed all of the indies keep caucusing with the dems. I'm more pessimistic overall, because I think repubs have been skewing the polls by telling pollsters they won't vote for their guys to show how ticked they are, but I think when it comes down to the wire, they 'come home' and hold their noses and vote just like dems do.

I will take time to dance a happy dance if Grimes does manage to unseat McTurtle, though.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
4. No way.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:21 PM
Nov 2014

Unfortunately, I think you "Yes" folks are delusional.
Only thing I'm happy about is that we will get rid of our crappy governor in PA.
(And maybe Walker in Wisconsin, though I'm even doubting that)

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
5. I agree
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:31 PM
Nov 2014

in the Republicon waves of 1980 and 1994, nobody saw them coming. The fact that the blame game is already going on tells me what I can expect on Tuesday.

Any time anybody says that "X" party is dead, they're wrong.

dsc

(53,386 posts)
8. actually we saw 1994 coming
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 11:38 PM
Nov 2014

maybe not every single loss but only the exceptionally delusional didn't see us losing both Houses in 94. Here I don't see a wave but I still think the Senate is likely to be lost. I think we will lose seats in MT, WV, SD, Arkansas, IA, and LA with no sure pick ups. If we get KS and don't lose Alaska then we could hold. But I don't see that happening.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
31. I don't think anyone knew about 1994. The thing
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:37 PM
Nov 2014

that lost it was low Dem turnout. That was not predicted. I remember 1994 well in CA because I had wing nut friends and none of us predicted what happened.

dsc

(53,386 posts)
34. by early October the stories of us being in trouble started
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:45 PM
Nov 2014

and were quite prevalent by mid October. Again, the extent of the losses were a surprise as were some of the particular people, but we knew it was going to be a bad year. Heck even Kennedy was considered in trouble for awhile that year.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
46. 1994 was very predicted, it was all over talk radio as an upcoming Republican blowout
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:20 AM
Nov 2014

In fact, it could have been worse. Jeb Bush and Oliver North were all polling ahead.

Xipe Totec

(44,554 posts)
7. Doesn't really matter, so long as there's no supermajority
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 11:32 PM
Nov 2014

If the Democrats hold the majority, the repugnicans will filibuster.

If the repugnicans hold the majority, the Democrats will filibuster.

Either way, nothing gets passed for the President to sign.


Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
13. Democrats won't filibuster
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:18 AM
Nov 2014

Congressional Democrats don't have the spine to go full-bore obstructionism like the Republicans do. They'll agree to pass "bipartisan" (i.e. right-wing) legislation.

Xipe Totec

(44,554 posts)
20. Yes, and for the same reason
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

And yes, I've heard about the nuclear option.

But so far it hasn't happened.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
25. I think you're confused.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:00 PM
Nov 2014

If there is a SC retirement, the Senate must confirm a replacement. If the Republicans control the Senate, Obama will have to compromise with them to confirm any justice (or anyone elso) or the position will remain unfilled. There would be nothing the Senate Democrats could do to force confirmation of any nominee. Conversely, if the Democrats retain control, particularly with the "nuclear option," we still control the entire executive and jurdicial confirmation process.

The most likely SC retirement would be Ginsburg, one of the most liberal of justices. Do you think a Republican Senate would ever agree to confirm someone who was even a fraction as liberal as she.

I would also not that a Republican Senate would also have the power to investigate the White House. Reid ran cover for the WH on numerous occasions, but would be powerless if we lost the majority.

Lastly, Reid has prevented Democrats from having to vote on controversial legislation, as well as prevented politically uncomfortable legislation from reaching the president and forcing a polarizing veto. A Congress fully controlled by the Republicans could send numerous pieces of legislation to the president (or sometimes force a Democratic filibuster in the Senate). If we're the party stopping legislation, you can totally forget running against the Republicans as the "Party of No" come the 2016 election.

Simply, losing the Senate will be very, very bad.

Xipe Totec

(44,554 posts)
26. You're right, you're right, you're always right. We should do something about it. Like vote. nt
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:09 PM
Nov 2014
 

branford

(4,462 posts)
28. I'm voting, but since I'm in NYC, I'll sadly have little effect in the close Senate races.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:18 PM
Nov 2014

The GOTV efforts in NC, IA, GA, KS and even AK, are really going to make all the difference.

pstokely

(10,885 posts)
42. Will there be an SC retirement if Dems hold the senate?
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:05 AM
Nov 2014

or will that happen after 2016?

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
43. Who knows, but health concerns could trump the best laid plans.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:13 AM
Nov 2014

My basic point also concerns all federal judicial and executive branch nominations.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
29. Why wouldn't Republicans change the rule?
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:21 PM
Nov 2014

If I were the Senate Republicans, I would eliminate or change the filibuster rule so that legislation can pass with a simple majority.

Of course, if the Democrats hold the majority, I would favor the same rule change.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
10. Guts says we lose it
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 11:52 PM
Nov 2014

49-51 is what I am hoping for, 47-53 is what I am fearing.

Our margin for error is remarkably small. Current representation is 55-45 Dems/Repukes

South Dakota, West Virginia and Montana are gone. -3
Arkansas is looking like it is gone also -1
Colorado or Iowa is likely lost, I think we hold one of the two, but not both. -1

That puts us at 50/50

Kentucky is not going to flip.

Louisiana and Georgia are both looking like runoffs and I think our chances are great of splitting them. Keeping Georgia and losing Louisiana so I call that a wash

North Carolina, I think we will keep, same for New Hampshire

Alaska is I think the inflection point, I think we lose it and thus we arrive at 51-49 Repukes.

Our best hope is 50/50 and that involves Senator Landrieu AND Michelle Nunn BOTH winning their runoffs.

If for some reason Deal wins Georgia with no runoff needed, we are screwed.


EDIT: Forgot Kansas, That state is anyone's guess, but I will be amazed and pleasantly happy if Blood-Red Kansas elects someone other than Roberts.

So maybe 50/50 is what my gut says.

madville

(7,847 posts)
11. Sounds pretty spot on to me
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:49 AM
Nov 2014

Louisiana and Arkansas are likely gone, GA, IA, CO, KS and AK are the tossups to decide it.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
23. I'm here,
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

and I don't think we're losing Alaska. Mark has too good of a ground game, and nobody trusts Sullivan since he's an Outsider and has been working for the very unpopular Sean Parnell during his stay here.

National prognosticators are not taking into consideration Alaska's THREE liberal ballot-bait issues that will draw out people who ordinarily don't vote - Measure 2 to legalize marijuana, Measure 3 to raise the minimum wage, and Measure 4 to protect the Bristol Bay watershed from big mining operations (I.e., Pebble Mine). Anchorage has an additional ballot measure to overturn an unpopular anti union ordinance that was rammed through our assembly last year.

Gov. Sean Parnell is extremely unpopular and will lose. Even though his opponent was formerly a Republican now running as an Independent, his running mate is an Alaska Native Democrat who will also attract Native voters, traditionally Democratic. The GOTV effort in the villages has been off the charts.

toddwv

(2,831 posts)
14. Lose seats, keep majority by a hair.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:20 PM
Nov 2014

It could be optimism, or it could be a desire to watch right-wingers heads pop.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
15. sometimes I get gut feelings, usually enormous churning and fear
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 06:41 PM
Nov 2014

when things are coming up. I don't feel a think about the elections. I don't know but if this follows the way I have felt about other important things, we should be okay.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
22. How's Begich doing down there, Rogue?
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:37 PM
Nov 2014

I was pleased to see that the Peninsula Clarion endorsed Forrest Dunbar among that sea of awful Republicans.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
39. he's got a great ground game. I would help more but after twenty-five years of doing it as a
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 12:43 AM
Nov 2014

union officer and all around self abuser, I couldn't this time. I think he's got a lot of support. This could be interesting. The hardcore pugs that I know don't like Sullivan and are made at Parnell for the guard business.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
47. That's the way it feels up here, too.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:03 AM
Nov 2014

I just feel like Mark is going to surprise everyone and win by a bigger margin than the pollsters are predicting. I hope I'm right.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
16. Depends on which question you're actually asking:
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 06:43 PM
Nov 2014

1. Are the American people going to vote for a Republican Senate majority?

or

2. Will a Republican Senate majority be declared?

The two questions are not the same. If 1 is "Yes," then 2 is inevitably "Yes" also. But 2 does not imply that 1 happened.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
37. That would be a political upset of epic proportions.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:18 PM
Nov 2014

I don't think too many here would be unhappy with that outcome. Stunned, yes.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
21. Anybody's guess.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:36 PM
Nov 2014

I think we can count on Alaska. Just a hunch since polling here is worthless.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. .
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 07:46 PM
Nov 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

City Lights

(25,796 posts)
35. I really have no idea, but I voted "yes."
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:50 PM
Nov 2014

I'm hoping they hold it, so I voted optimistically.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
36. Didn't vote, but if forced to I'd lean towards no.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:16 PM
Nov 2014

The ignorance of people in this country knows no bounds which makes them easy pickings for the right wing.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
40. If I were betting my sadly honest marker would go down for "no"
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 12:52 AM
Nov 2014

I'd like us to, and it's not impossible, but if we do I will be (pleasantly) surprised. We're defending seats won in a Presidential year on an off-year; that's always hard for us.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
41. Well...
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:00 AM
Nov 2014

My gut feeling is that we lose it, and that this has cascading effects leading to a Republican resurgence and more extreme right wing drift in both parties like what we saw in the other Republican surges.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
44. OUTSIDE of the MSM and poll hag wringing over polls, yes, think Democrats can.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:15 AM
Nov 2014

Can, not will...voter turnout of course the key.
The more who vote, better the chances.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
45. Why didn't you add the option "Democrats will expand their majority"?
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:16 AM
Nov 2014

I just want to see how delusional some people are. I estimate 10-15% would have picked that option.

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