If anyone thinks Dems will filibuster

[santroy79]

your about to be disappointed

Dems have always backed down.

They will look at the results at this is what the American people want and allow the Republican agenda to move forward. Dems have always broke to pressure and Republicans control the media will be screaming if Dems block anything which Dems will cave.

[B Calm]

1. BINGO!

[JustAnotherGen]

2. I agree

[newfie11]

3. Yep

[a kennedy]

4. It's going to be a horrible, horrible two years......

lets see, where can I take up residence for the next two years. It's going to be bad here. I still just can not believe it..... what a sh*t storm. Won't be able to watch ANY news shows national or local for months. Won't be able to see the faces of all the b*st*rds that got voted in, especially turtle man. D*mn. This one really stings. Ugh...... D*mn.

[valerief]

23. It's going to be worse when a Repub president is elected. I don't know where to move. nt

[daleanime]

41. Not going to happen....

[valerief]

42. Because? After all, it's happened before, all too often. nt

[daleanime]

47. It is of course just my opinion.....

but the media is going to crow this election as a landslide....so the steaming pile of shit that is going to be the next two years is on the republicans.

[valerief]

49. I don't understand. They do shit and get elected anyway. nt

[daleanime]

50. You don't understand...

"Just my opinion"?


I just think they won't have as easy a time putting the blame for their actions on democrats, not that democratic leaders won't try to help them.

[valerief]

58. I don't understand why you think that.

[ewagner]

25. I'm thinking Saskatoon!!! n/t

[cleanhippie]

43. No, it's not. It's going to remain about the same.

Of course, Repugs will talk about ACA repeal, building a wall on the border, blah, blah, blah, but now that they have the power, they will also have to OFFER ACTUAL SOLUTIONS AND PAY FOR THEM, which we all know they are not going to do.

Yes, it will be two years of high-drama, political theater, but in practical terms, nothing much will change.


See this link for more...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025765949

[BumRushDaShow]

5. "They will...allow the Republican agenda to move forward."

only to have it vetoed with not enough votes to override, so it will go nowhere.

The fact that the President has only carried out 2 vetoes (and I think one was a pocket veto) was because the crap never made it to his desk due to his explicit threats of a veto.

[Bohunk68]

8. Do you REALLY believe that Obama will veto?

Ya know, the guy that really knows how to bargain by giving up the bargain before it gets to the table? That guy? The guy who it is reported to have said he could work with a Regressive Congress? That guy? Bullshit, he'll go along just to get along. Harry Reid will become even more useless and the Dems won't even use the freaking filibuster. Just wait and see. Ya don't need a crystal ball to see what will NOT happen when the Dems have no fricking spine.

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Keep trying

because in the world of many DUers, Larry Summers is now in charge of the Federal Reserve, chained-CPI is the law of the land, the Keystone Pipeline is fully approved and oil is flowing from Canada to Texas, the Bush tax cuts were not repealed, we are at war with Libya, and other various and sundry things that these wise prognosticators of DU see when they look at the empty chair like Clint Eastwood -

[Plucketeer]

44. What about the looming TPP ???

The one that our great President has urged to be fast-tracked. What will be his attitude towards this now? What about the push to turn public education over to private interests? Arne Duncan has to be ecstatic at last night's results.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. It looms like

Medicare was going to be repealed, Obama would "cave" to the GOP and keep the government open last year, and we definitely for sure were going to bomb bomb bomb Iran!1!!1!!!

The silly bubble world coulda woulda arguments continue to be vaporware. Hey look! There's Larry Summers over there snoring in the corner and Janet Yellin is just ya'lls imagination!!11!1!!!1!

[Recursion]

68. Well, personally I think the TPP is a decent idea

It standardizes our current existing bilateral trade agreements with eleven other countries, and will probably do a decent job at creating a trading counterweight to China. The signing of NAFTA led to the only period of increased median wages in recent US history, and this could do the same.

What about the push to turn public education over to private interests? Arne Duncan has to be ecstatic at last night's results.

No. Republicans want vouchers, which are anathema to Duncan and Obama.

[Bohunk68]

59. In almost 6 years he has used the veto pen a total

of TWICE. Both were for bills that had passed but had errors in them. You have NOT shown that he has used the veto or would. Keep trying with the lovely pics, though.

[BumRushDaShow]

60. Think about what you just wrote

And then look at the record over the past 6 years of "legislation-in-process". What this means is that when he threatened to veto whatever crap they put together to send his way, it was halted until it was fixed to his satisfaction BEFORE it got to his desk.

If DUers enjoy playing the role of the amnesiac, more power to 'em. Watching some CSPAN hearings when legislation is being marked-up in various Committees, is a beautiful thing to do to add some value to the spurious arguments in this thread.

[Bohunk68]

61. You have no examples to show for your assertion.

Except to tell us to watch CSPAN. I don't have the luxury of time to spend on watching CSPAN. My life is full even though I am retired. Why don't you just go ahead and watch it for us and report back, since you seem to have lots of free time? Hmmmm? Just think what a tremendous service that would be to DU'ers.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Try this

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/17/192834899/obama-would-veto-houses-farm-bill-white-house-says (early version of Farm Bill)

and this -

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/213830-white-house-threatens-to-veto-house-border-bill (Border Bill)

and this -

http://blogs.rollcall.com/white-house/unemployment-extension-languishing-white-house-slams-gop-tax-cut/?dcz= (GOP Corporate Tax cuts)

I work full time and do caretaking over a 12-hour period or more, barely getting 6 hours of sleep in every night. CSPAN has practically every one of their broadcasts since inception (1980) available in the CSPAN Library online -

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary//

If you have time to sit there pounding nonsense on a keyboard, then maybe some time management would help and you should instead put the keyboard down and learn how the government works.

[Recursion]

67. Yeah... when Congress doesn't pass anything vetos are rare (nt)

[Major Hogwash]

70. This Congress could eat a hill of beans, and they still wouldn't be able to pass a healthy fart!!

Letterman.

[PFunk]

6. yup

Maybe it's time to come up with a democratic version of the tea party (i.e real FDR dems without the crazy)

[AtlasProg]

34. Already happened

... in 1968

[valerief]

46. Who's our Koch Brothers? Who will buy the media for the deprogramming? No one. nt

[merrily]

7. I would not be so quick or so generous as to hand out lofty-sounding excuses pre-emptively.

They will look at the results at this is what the American people want and allow the Republican agenda to move forward.

Funny, when Dems win elections, they don't seem to look quite as closely at what voters "wanted." Then, we just got a lot of posts about how Democrats don't represent just Democrats, but all Americans (Duh? So do Republicans, but elections are SUPPOSED to have consequences. That's probably why we have them. Republicans sure do get that when they win.)

Democrats know what goes into how people vote: billions of dollars worth of TV ads. Messaging skills that the allegedly dumb Republicans seem to nail while the allegedly smart Democrats never seem to match that skill. Corporate media. Discouragement with the status quo translating to a change election. Low info voters. And on and on. They know better than any of us that the results of an election do not equal necessarily equal what Americans want for their lives.

Not buying any cop outs. "Along Came Jones," an old Western that On Demand featured a while back, taught me something: You can assume all day long why people act they way that they do. However, that is speculation. Very often, you can really tell what someone actually aimed at simply by observing which target they hit.

[zazen]

9. so they need 60 votes to end a filibuster by Warren, Franken, Sanders, etc?

And anyone on the appropriate committee can table an appointment, so presumably we still have that right.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see them use "the nuclear option," since the criminality of the GOP in voter suppression was in full display last night and is the way several of them have gotten into office. If for some reason any shred of commitment to their constitutional oath prevails, however, I thought we'd have a few ways within the Senate to fight back. But I could be wrong.

[bahrbearian]

10. Well , maybe not the Dem's, but Bernie might Filibuster

[JoePhilly]

11. Both parties are the same so it doesn't really matter.

At least that's what I hear around here on a regular basis.

[Vinca]

12. When the f*ck will Dems learn they cannot succeed as "GOP Lite?"

Democrats lost because as soon as a Republican said "Obama is a bad, bad man" they crumpled into a ball and begged for forgiveness, nodding in agreement. They should have screamed the Obama accomplishments as loud as they could. The sheeple only hear Faux News . . . you have to make sure they get the truth at least once. As for the filibuster, I expect Dems will sing kumbayah, join hands and vote for the pipeline in the name of "unity." Unless someone can figure out how to give the lot of them spine implants.

[Barack_America]

17. When they're no longer paid to do so.

By their corporate sponsors.

[Nay]

20. Sadly true. nt

[Pantagruelsmember]

45. Beat them with facts

Just keep pounding the GOP with the truth. 2016 will be a much more favorable situation for progressives, educate everyone you contact:

The big picture, Obama reality the obstructionist GOP won't admit:

The economy has recovered from the Bush/GOP disastrous incompetence
Obama has been at least as good as Reagan for the economy. In fact, U.S. has now had 63 straight months of job expansion, including 54 consecutive weeks of private sector growth.
Obama’s administration has created more jobs in five years than Bush managed in all eight.
The current period has also been notable for the huge cutbacks in public-sector jobs, which the White House argues makes the private-sector job performance more impressive. (New jobs in the public sector, and the resulting paychecks, obviously help generate additional private-sector jobs.) So the White House argues that the continued private-sector growth, in the face of massive public-sector cutbacks, is especially significant.


The ebullient stock market reflects BO/Dem leadership.
The Federal Budget Deficit has Shrunk by 2/3 since 2009

The Obama administration is the most honest, scandal free in history. Government Spending has only gone up 1.4 percent under Obama, the lowest spending has increased since Eisenhower, “The Last Actual Republican.” Government spending increased 8.1 percent under Bush, and 8.7 percent under Reagan.
Taxes have only increased on those making $400,000 a year or more, the richest 2 percent of Americans.
For approx. 95 percent of us , federal taxes have actually gone down.


Bin Laden is dead.There have been no significant foreign attacks on American soil.
U.S. dependence on foreign oil is at a record low due to domestic oil production and higher fuel efficiency standards.

The dollar is KING and there has been no appreciable inflation.
The U.S. under BO is the envy of the world.

Obamacare is working. Approximately 10 million Americans who didn’t have health insurance before have it now. Rates haven’t gone up across the board as predicted by GOP critics mainly because healthcare costs are now rising slower than they have at any point since 1960 and in many cases going down. The success of Obamacare has extended the projected solvency of Medicare out to 2030. Seniors have saved $Billions on prescriptions and millions of Americans have received refunds from their health insurance companies thanks to provisions of ACA.


*Blogger jeff61b , "14 Facts About The Obama Presidency That Most People Don’t Know" at hub pages ,compiled, documented and published many of these stats which I'm passing along and suggest you pass along too.

[belzabubba333]

13. cons will eliminate the filibuster

[Recursion]

15. Reid eliminated the filibuster a year ago (EDIT: I was wrong)

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Not sure why we keep forgetting that...

EDIT: my bad. It was just for Presidential appointments, not all business. Sorry.

[belzabubba333]

16. only on judicial nominations other than scotus picks

[Recursion]

21. You think McConnell will care?

Frist chickened out when he had the chance; Reid didn't. McConnell doesn't need another excuse.

[belzabubba333]

24. no i think he'll end the filibuster like i said to which you said

harry already did to which i said only for judicial nominations.

[Bandit]

55. Reid did not end the filibuster

Only for presidential appointments. Every piece of legislation can be filibustered, but I doubt very seriously any "Democrat" would actually use it.. Maybe one of the Independents like Sanders but even that I doubt. Republicans will ramrod their energy bills through and dare the President to veto them. They want nothing more than to export all our resources so their masters can reap the rewards.. There will be nothing positive done on alternate energy, and many regulations on coal and oil will be rendered useless along with the Dodd/Frank Bill. It will be interesting. I predict the Dow will be below 10000 before the Presidential election and they will try and blame Obama for it's collapse.

[Recursion]

63. The Democrats filibustered pretty well from 2002-2006

What makes you think they'll stop now?

[Recursion]

64. Thank you. I completely remembered that wrong

Sorry.

[pa28]

65. Saw somebody had pointed that out and deleted.

Sorry, don't want to pile on.

[Recursion]

66. Totally fair. I misremembered the scope of the ruling

I thought it was for all business, which it's not.

[GeorgeGist]

14. Alzheimers for all ...

[Liberalynn]

18. And I believe in the power of the veto pen

about as much as I believe in Mitten's magic underpants, which is to say not at all.

[Nay]

19. Oh, I agree. Why would they stop rolling over for the Pubs now? nt

[Lippythelion69]

22. Wow

I hope not . But they just lay down
Grimes should have hammered turtle on kynet how did Ernst and Brownback and Walker in Wisconsin make it???
Stupid white people man!!!
Low turnout kills us!!

[Bettie]

26. Don't forget, in the next election cycle...

they'll move farther to the Right, thinking that is what will work.

Does anyone even think the president will veto anything? I suspect he'll just sign what is put in front of him.

[Cha]

30. I suspect you're wrong.. just took google..

Foreclosure Bill Is Blocked

President Barack Obama plans to veto a bill whose opponents say would make it harder for homeowners to stop foreclosures.

The move marks the Obama administration's most direct intervention so far into a growing debacle tied to how banks foreclose on homes, and the first effective veto of Mr. Obama's presidency. The veto could make it more difficult for banks to complete paperwork and speed the foreclosure process, and could give homeowners more time to rework loans

MOre..
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704696304575538131744705958

Officials: Obama ready to veto a bill blocking ‘fiscal cliff’ without tax hike for rich

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/officials-obama-ready-to-veto-a-bill-blocking-fiscal-cliff-without-tax-hike-for-rich/2012/10/17/64400224-1870-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html

Obama Issues Veto Threat For New Iran Sanctions During Nuclear Deal's Implementation

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/12/obama-iran-sanctions-veto_n_4585416.html

[Bettie]

31. I hope I'm wrong

Only time will tell.

I'm having a hard time believing in anything this morning. My state went 100% red last night.

[Cha]

33. I'm so sorry.. I've been feeling really bad for all the

losses across the country. I was in shock and catatonic for awhile.. and you have to be feeling more worse!

[Bettie]

35. Thanks

I'm in Iowa.

I had expected Braindead to win. He's weirdly popular and his message seemed to be "HEY! I'm not as crazy as some of the other R governors!".

But, now I am essentially without representation in the congress...or the statehouse. Every last one of them is a right wing lunatic.

I'm sick about it, but there's nothing to be done.

And right now, I don't even think there is any way out. Ever. Money wins and the forces aligned for the other side have a lot more of it than our side does.

[Cha]

39. ..

Bettie

[Recursion]

40. Well, no, the next election cycle is Presidential with 23 GOP Senate seats up

It's kind of tailor made for us.

[spedtr90]

27. Too often they remind me of this old Mr Fish toon...

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...and for too long.

[TRoN33]

28. Reid has already promised to cooperate and submit to Republicans' willpower.

Reid is weak. Pelosi is Republican lite DINO. Democrats sure as hell ain't going to filibuster and expect filibuster numbers to go down sharply.

[sybylla]

32. I think I'd prefer if they didn't filibuster.

There is a mindset in this country that falls for the messaging of the selfish without recognizing it for the bullshit cover for millionaires and billionaires it is. Like with addicts, I think the wuicker we hit bottom at the hands of the GOP, the quicker we can move past this insanity.

Save the filibuster for the most serious offences. Let the GOP proudly wave their anti-worker, anti-woman, anit-education, anti-government flag as much as possible. Let them take credit for all the shit hitting the fan.

[Hotler]

38. I agree. Nothing is going to change until

people get fighting mad and take to the streets by the hundred of thousands and that will not happen until more people feel the pain. With this election and with the presidency the pain will come along with a rude awakening.

[arcane1]

53. That happened in 2003 and yet we are still occupying Iraq.

[librechik]

36. exactly

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. well yeah, I suppose so

[dotymed]

48. My 18 y.o. son

voted for his first time yesterday..we spoke about the current direction of America.
He said he and his friends expect a "civil war" in their lifetimes. They realize that we are no longer a Democracy.
I stressed the importance of voting ( i think the wealthy have that fixed also now) and how changing America with non-violent means is very important.
We must regain a Democracy (FDR style, IMO). As long as money controls politics/politicians, it aint gonna happen.
He asked me about how the non-violent protests I attended in my youth worked. He reminded me of Kent state and said that while the police now will hurt you for protesting, he thought it was more dangerous in my day...he said they usually don't kill you now. I explained that was the national guard called out by Nixon and how while most of the impeachable offenses he committed then, are now legal, after Watergate, the people wouldn't tolerate any more fascism (then). Currently fascism is the norm...sickening.
While I hope that his generation can and does change the political landscape, they really do not know our actual history. I hope he reads my copy of Zinns, History of the American People and learns about our true struggle.
The American people do want a different country. We do want FDR's Second Bill of Rights. It is class struggle with the 90% losing miserably.
I just hope this can be done without a civil war. It must be done. Election after election I see how little we the people matter.
If the Democratic party will back Bernie Sanders in 2016, and fight money with money...until we get money out of politics,
Americans will get real change that we can believe in. A transformative change for the better. I don't expect it to happen. Wheres the money in that? America is learning to embrace fascism, maybe Thomas Jefferson had it right about replenishing our Democracy with the blood of patriots. I hope we can find a better way even though those (increasingly militaristic) wealthy power brokers who control our(?) police and military have shown their propensity for violence, again and again.
Fucking GREED should not be emulated but it is sociopathic behavior that is currently admired in America.

[kentuck]

51. Occasionally..

But seldom.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. No. But, we can expect a lot of excuses why they didn't/don't.

All nicely larded up with "practical politics", "listening to the people", "we must work together", "it's not as bad as it seems", "we just don't have the votes", etc, etc, ad nauseum.

[Le Taz Hot]

54. They'd have to find a spine for that.

[villager]

57. The caving-in-earnest really began under Reagan...

It's been hard to take the Democratic party seriously as a meaningful instrument of "change," ever since...