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I was watching this...
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/124908/events/3536523
And it occurred to me that it is up to the young people now...we have failed and we must admit it and step out of the way and follow the young not try to lead them.
It will take a whole generation to change this and most of us hear I think will not be alive then...it is they young people's world to inherit, and we have left them an inherit of fear and conflict.
So I supported OWS and I will support these young people...even if just by saying it.
msongs
(67,361 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And we don't have to do that, just admire the fact that they are moving away from our old ways...and I think that is a good thing.
Iris
(15,649 posts)We're not talking early adopters of technology here. We're talking about consumers who live in filter bubbles and are being targeted relentlessly by marketing campaigns. They aren't making decisions about what to keep and what to throw away; they are simply consuming whatever is put in front of them.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I work on a large team in a healthcare setting and the young'uns are GLUED to their smartphones every chance they get. I asked a handful of the 20-somethings today about voting, and they didn't bother. One early 30s dude, a recent Jersey transplant, voted for Tillis (R) because Hagan (D) spent "$100 million on ads." One guy in his mid-30s has never voted, and he's proud of it. Total good ol' boy, who, oddly (or not so oddly), supports marriage equality and legalization. Hagan could have used his vote.
Not too long ago there was a raucous age war on DU. "The youth are gonna rise!" Ha. Guess again.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)By finding examples of old people doing what seems to them to be nut stuff.
But it does point out how easy it is divide us up...old against young is just another division.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)(I say that as I'm sliding out of middle age into old farthood...)
gordianot
(15,234 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Fear is what it is about...fear of the social stigma that makes you work flipping burgers instead of a nice corporate job...Fear is a powerful tool..
countryjake
(8,554 posts)I love it when common ordinary people actually (and actively) stand up for principles we all should be supporting.
Righteous.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)onecaliberal
(32,784 posts)Good luck finding a job you can use that shiny new degree in. Better luck paying the mountain of debt it cost to earn it, especially working for minimum wage.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But now I suppose it was their fault we lost.
onecaliberal
(32,784 posts)Bears some responsibility. There were many other factors. Please don't make assumptions about my comment. The young people were in good company. Not even 30% of the electorate voted.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)They have been pelted with fear and things to be angry about all sumer long...they have tuned it out...and I can't really say I blame them for it.
After a while the adds just start to piss you off.
onecaliberal
(32,784 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)since Dubya. And my middle-aged ass has voted in every election since.
Being pissed off IS a reason to vote.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But some people react diferent...they tune it out, which may actually be the healthy way to deal with situations that make you angry.
And I can't bring myself to blame them for the mess we are in.
kiva
(4,373 posts)2012 - 19% of voters were ages 18-29
2014 - 13% of voters were ages 18-29
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/05/as-gop-celebrates-win-no-sign-of-narrowing-gender-age-gaps/
Ask yourself how many races Dems lost that could have been won if that 6% has voted this election.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Could it be the constant failure of our party to get any real change that was promised?
Don't blame the victim of failure.
kiva
(4,373 posts)And yet the two oldest demographic groups still turned out to vote. Age discrimination in employment is rampant, but older voters voted. The economy sucks and people on fixed incomes are suffering, but older voters still voted.
And yes, I do blame people of any age who chose not to vote - we lost the Senate because of the "oh, I'm just not into voting this year" crowd; whether you like it or not, a substantial number of those people are young voters.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But there is no one to blame but republicans...the Dems were powerless to stop it so they just ignored it..
It is always their fault that they are disillusioned not the failure of politics.
treestar
(82,383 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)But it is a vote never the less...but one we chose to ignore.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Why am I responsible for other adults voting? I can do it without having to be cajoled. Who the fuck are these people that they expect that? And all they did was take themselves out of the picture and let Republicans rule them (or the Democrats they claim are the same).
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But if you are given two choices, one a R that promises to destroy the whole country, and a D who will not say so but will do as much as they can to help the Rs do it, who are you going to pick?
Well there is one option if you can't stand being manipulated and that is to abstain from voteing...your only option when faced with having to support two wrongs.
Spazito
(50,165 posts)showing up every 4 years, if they even do that, doesn't cut it. The Presidency doesn't hold the power, Congress does and key elections for the House and Senate happen every two years NOT just every 4 years.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Well I don't...can't believe that anyone does not know that we have elections every two years...they know, they just don't want to vote for something that will change nothing...and are not afraid of the boogie man other party.
Spazito
(50,165 posts)apathy because the work to learn how to change the system is, well, too hard. It would take time away from the all important tweet or Facebook post and we can't have that, can we. The youth who couldn't be bothered to vote aren't interested in change, they want what they want given to them in a gift-wrapped package delivered to their door preferably by an Amazon drone, that is what they consider 'work for change', sadly.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)One that I do not share.
But yes there are ignorant young, just as there are ignorant old but if you judge them all by that yardstick then you judge yourself as well.
But lets face the facts...we have offered them nothing but chaos in the world and we blame them?
Because if they had just voted things would be diferent?...did we not do that in 08 and nothing changed?...and we expect them to keep voting for why?
JI7
(89,241 posts)to get whatever other electronics discounted.
minivan2
(214 posts)I am doing everything I can to get more democrats elected, I am volunteering for the Democratic party, voting in every election. We all don't sit on our phones and text all day.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But that is what I was told several times in this thred...in fact it was the main complaint given against them.
Iris
(15,649 posts)in every generation there are people who care deeply, think about the world and their place in it, and who act accordingly. And they are often in the minority.
I object to the suggestion that that a whole generation is special because they have access to more technology. It's a disservice to people like you who are exceptional.
Thanks for fighting the good fight. We need you. A lot of us are getting tired.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That idea that you do not care and we have to get you to go out and vote is more than insulting to you.
I was able to get myself out there to vote as soon as I was old enough without having to be cajoled, and so are you.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)Note- as a gen Xer, i no longer fall into either demographic, but it strikes me as odd that there is such an attempt to "blame" the youth when it's the elderly voting for the bad guys.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)At least some of us do...but we need a scapegoat and it was their turn.
Last_Stand
(286 posts)and not a goddamn thing has changed since.
When I was young I had a fire in my belly that I thought could change the world...instead I burnt myself out. Best of luck to the next generation.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And like you nothing has changed.
And I burnt myself out too...but not so much that I can't support the young people who still have that fire.
TBF
(32,013 posts)finally someone talking about CLASS again.
Time for Par Deux - and it needs to be much more disciplined and militant.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Sense most of their money comes from the top and they try not to offend and mess with that stream of money.
And I welcome Par Deux.