Obama today: "Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positiv

[grahamhgreen]

In Full: "Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positive for the American people."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-president-obamas-remarks-on-midterm-election-results/2014/11/05/491a02b2-6524-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html

[montanacowboy]

1. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

yep - really positive for the American people

Jesus Christ on a crutch-I am so fucking done

[JEB]

2. Positive my ass.

[Triana]

3. Yep. Destroying the goddamned planet so the fucking Kochs can get even richer...

....is "positive".

[ucrdem]

7. Exactly.

[rhett o rick]

47. Yesterday was a big day for conservatives. Now they will get their fracking, TPP, and XL Pipelines.

The conservatives are gloating today.

[ucrdem]

50. They might.

Yes, the Kochs and their AEI pals bought themselves a Senate to match their House but they didn't buy the executive. My point in this thread is that I happened to hear this part of today's press conference on NPR and based on what I heard I'm a lot more confident than many here that Obama is no fool and has no intention of giving away the store. Or selling it or quid-pro-quo-ing it or anything else.

[rhett o rick]

66. But he supports the TPP, right? Now it can be fast tracked thru the Senate just like he wants.

He openly supports fracking, the TPP, the XL Pipeline, Wall Street bailouts, drone killing, continued war in the middle East, domestic spying, and an unregulated NSA/CIA Security State. Now he has the Senate that agrees with him on those issues.

Of course some will claim it's the Republican's fault.

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. Don't forget ENTITLEMENT REFORM!

[rhett o rick]

72. What can I say? nm

[ucrdem]

120. No, he didn't "openly support" any of this. Were you listening? nt

[rhett o rick]

122. Yes I was. He is letting the pipeline "play out". Not sure what that means to

you but it means he is going to continue kicking the Keystone can down the road until it's too late to stop it.

Not only is he letting fracking "play out" he actively supports it. Says it will be the bridge to a "new energy future". Yes with untold ground water poisoned.

Not only is he letting the Free Trade agreements "play out" he is negotiating them in secret with the major corporations and excluding environmental groups. He will have no trouble fast tracking them through this favorable Conservative Senate. Win-Win for Obama and the Conservatives. Lose-Lose for our environment, freedoms and jobs.

Wake up and smell the Conservative Oligarchy.

[Wella]

54. But only if Obama gives it to them--he has a veto pen

And they are not veto proof.

[rhett o rick]

65. Why would you expect him to veto these? He is a supporter. He sees eye to eye with

the Republicans Conservatives.

[Wella]

88. You think he wanted a Republican Senate?

So he could pass the Pipeline?

[rhett o rick]

89. This has nothing to do with what I think. I asked you why you think he might

veto these issues. He supports fracking, the TPP, the XL Pipeline, etc. He should have no trouble getting these items thru the Senate. Don't you agree?

[Wella]

90. It does have to do with what you think. It sounds like you think he is happy

and planned to have a Republican Senate.

[rhett o rick]

93. You mention the veto pen. I am saying that he won't use a veto pen for those

issues where he agrees with the Republican Conservatives. He supports fracking, the TPP and the XL Pipeline as do the Republicans.

[Wella]

94. Well, I guess we'll get to see where he really stands

.

[rhett o rick]

95. We better hope that the Republicans don't bring up cutting SS or Medicare. Just sayin'. nm

[Wella]

98. I'm going to go soak my head now.

Sigh.

[CanonRay]

111. Yep, drill baby drill

I'm sure there's oil somewhere under Yellowstone. He's going to trade signing off on XL for some small time shit.

[Efilroft Sul]

115. Election Day was the greatest day for conservatives since Benghazi. n/t

[rhett o rick]

116. We will see our Conservative President have a field day with the new Conservative Senate.

Hello TPP, hello fracking, hello XL Pipeline, hello tax cuts for the billionaires, hello for more war, hello for domestic spying, hello for torture, hello unregulated Security State. Goodbye middle class.

[Efilroft Sul]

117. Goodbye Net Neutrality, too. n/t

[rhett o rick]

118. And Arnie Duncan will have a field day with education. nm

[RobertEarl]

8. Your side won?

No. The liberals lost. The environment lost.

Obama is now free to rake in the dough. A Keystone approval should pay off very well for Obama.

[el_bryanto]

20. How exactly will Obama make money off of Keystone? nt

[RobertEarl]

23. You really asked such a question?

Are you new to politics?

[el_bryanto]

30. He's not running for office again - will he get put on the Koch's board? or what? nt

[RobertEarl]

33. You are new.

Did you see Clinton is like a hundred times richer since he left office?

Gawd, the newbies to politics these days.

[el_bryanto]

38. I'm not new, actually. I've been around for quite a number of years.

You are implying a quid-pro-quo - he supports the Keystone Pipeline and he gets a payoff. I don't know that that scans - but I can see that your mind is made up.

Bryant

[RobertEarl]

43. And Carter?

Heh, he builds homes for the homeless.

Your newness will one day wear off and you will see there is no free lunch.

Or you will become so RW that everything the powerful do will just look natural -- like they deserve it all just because. Good thing you have DU... unless your mind is already made up?

[daleanime]

53. Don't worry, if you support Wall St....

Wall St. will find a way to support you.





Unless your working class, main street trash.

[jwirr]

85. What about Carter?

[rhett o rick]

49. Are you new to politics? How will Eric Holder make money off of giving Wall Street

a pass? How does H. Clinton make money just for the possibility of her winning?

[grahamhgreen]

9. How is posting what the President said "anti-Obama"? Please tell me???

[Autumn]

10. Is what was posted a lie?

If it is post the links and prove it.

[grahamhgreen]

15. It's re-posting his own statement, and they are classifying the presidents statement as "anti-Obama"

It's a bit weird!

[Skittles]

35. nothing weird about it

it's BOG LOGIC

[adirondacker]

71. Well they did admire and often Rec a certain Pretzel.

I wonder what incarnation that one has returned as.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. When you leave out more than 9/10s of what he actually said ...

well ... Yes, that called a lie of omission.

When what you present neglects to mention that what he really said, set parameters for Keystone and then concluded with a statement that suggests that Keystone can't meet those parameters ... Yes, that post is a lie.

See post #28.

[Autumn]

42. No it's not a lie, It's a snippet of the press conference that a poster found

disturbing and worthy of discussing so he used that as the thread title and used the FULL sentence as a snippet in the body of the post and then the link to the whole thing. Obama said exactly what the poster said. You may not like it but that doesn't make it a lie. And seriously, are you really going to sink to parsing words and sentences?

No need to answer I'm off to bed and I am tired of the discussion already.

[Spazito]

19. +1000

[ucrdem]

5. I didn't hear any commitment to Keystone:

There’s an independent process. It’s moving forward. And the -- I’m going to let that process play out. I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with? There’s a pending case before a Nebraska judge about some of the sighting. The process is moving forward. And I’m just going to gather up the facts.

I will note while this debate about Canadian oil has been raging, keeping in mind this is Canadian oil, this isn’t U.S. oil.

Did you?

[RobertEarl]

11. He still doesn't get it?

Keystone spells doom for the environment. But of course it's already pretty doomed and Obama knows that, so he's just stringing it out, playing politics with it.

[ucrdem]

14. Obama's implication was that Keystone is less important than it was 6 years ago

because we're closer to energy independence than we were then:

OBAMA: I will note while this debate about Canadian oil has been raging, keeping in mind this is Canadian oil, this isn’t U.S. oil. While that debate has been raging, we’ve seen the -- some of the biggest increases in American oil production and American natural gas production in our history.

We are closer to energy independence than we’ve ever been before, or at least as we’ve been in decades. We are importing less foreign oil than we produce for the first time in a very long time. We’ve got a 100 year supply of natural gas that if we responsibly tap, puts us in the strongest position when it comes to energy of any industrialized country around the world.

When I travel to Asia or I travel to Europe, their biggest envy is the incredible, homegrown, U.S. energy production that is producing jobs and attracting manufacturing, because locating here means you’ve got lower energy costs.

So, our energy sector is booming. And I’m happy to engage Republicans with additional ideas for how we can enhance that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-president-obamas-remarks-on-midterm-election-results/2014/11/05/491a02b2-6524-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html

[RobertEarl]

25. He's playing politics with Keystone

Look, I appreciate you wanting to cover for Obama and make him look good.

But he's just stringing poor gullible people along as he has for years with Keystone. All he has to do say is NO. Would you be able to live if he said NO?

[ucrdem]

29. I think he's effectively said no already.

Come on. It's been six years. And playing politics the day after an election? That ship sailed last light.

[Hekate]

114. Of course he's playing politics. He's going to "study" it to death. I've always thought so. nt

[upaloopa]

32. Keystone was never about energy independence.

The oil was to be sent to Texas and shipped away.

[grahamhgreen]

13. No. He just referred to it as positive. And he referred to tar sands as "oil", which it isn't. For

most of us, we don't need to gather any more facts.

It's post time to stop big oil and put the money into renewable, limitless energy sources. That's as obvious as the fact that you shouldn't run your gas powered car in your garage with the door closed.

[Last_Stand]

55. As I've told my friends after every major news catasphrophe...

the right people never run their gas powered cars in their garages with the door closed.

[Recursion]

16. Of course not. Obama has been dithering on this since it started, hoping it goes away

Honestly I think he wanted the report to find that it would increase the amount of oil produced and consumed so that they could judge it on climate change grounds, but the report couldn't figure out a way to make it look like that.

[ucrdem]

21. I agree with you there.

I've never gotten a signal from Obama that he actually wanted to have this thing hung around his neck.

[Autumn]

18. Read down a couple of paragraphs, Obama did say:

"I should note that our clean energy production is booming as well. And so Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positive for the American people"

exactly what the poster said.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. And a couple paragraphs before that ...

He laid out his parameters for Keystone approve ... parameters that your paragraph, along with the paragraph immediately preceding the one you (and the OP pick) points out that Keystone can't meet.

[Autumn]

44. One last time. Obama said exactly what the poster said that you guys are all saying is a lie.

Obama said it, it's okay. Yes Obama said much more than the small snippet that was posted. It's not my parameters, it's not my paragraph, it's not my words. It's a small part of many, many paragraphs spoken by Obama.

[1StrongBlackMan]

58. In Full ...

"One last time. you guys lie."

You said it, it's okay. Yes you said much more than the small snippet that I posted. It's not my parameters, it's not my sentence, it's not my words. It's a small part of that sentence written by you.

See what I did there

[Autumn]

61. I see what you did there, but that's not what the poster did.

In Full, I'm done talking to you. Your posts directed at the poster are to say the least dishonest. I understand how the OP bothers you this had been a tying time for all of us and filled with uncertainty and despair. In my time here on DU there have been many OPs that I have found offensive and I use the tools that the admins have designed for us. I'm going to use one of those tools now. Bye

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. LOL ...

That's exactly what the OP did ... he parsed out a segment of the transcript to support his speculation AND for the legitimizing cherry on top, added the words, "In Full."

I guess he/she, rightly, assumed that most would just read the title and excerpt, and form their opinion ... BRAVO to him/her, for knowing his/he audience!

[Autumn]

74. Guess it all comes down to what you believe. What Obama said or what Obama said.

But see you have a problem with that, the poster posted a snippet and then posted "in Full" and one sentence underneath that snippet , spoken by Obama .
BRAVO indeed The question is did Obama say,

"Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positive for the American people."

he did and all the twisting and parsing in the world can't change that. Do I think he will approve Keystone? I go back and forth on that, We don't know what will happen. It is what it is.

I think your problem is that the poster didn't post the entire thing, His choice. You may post the whole thing there is nothing stopping you from doing that, It might make for an interesting discussion.

[Hekate]

113. Thanks for providing the full quote. After 6 years, it still hasn't gone through. Amazing, no?

What I heard when I listened to the speech/press conference in full was this: Obama is engaging in a full-on stall. He's going to see that this project is studied to death, not implemented.

Geez, people. Can't you see all the qualifiers in that statement?

[JonLP24]

121. Seems like a fair comment to me

I'll comment when I feel he isn't wrong but he's not here.

Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

It will certainly help with the supply which leads to the lower gas prices. Also alternative energy in addition would help too, lowering the demand for oil.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

6. OH YES YES YES it just keeps getting better.

Has he weighed in on Social Security yet? That's the one that REALLY worries me.

[RiverLover]

12. Wow

Thanks for posting. A real eye opener...

Obama: "So, let me just pick up on Keystone. There’s an independent process. It’s moving forward. And the -- I’m going to let that process play out. I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with? There’s a pending case before a Nebraska judge about some of the sighting. The process is moving forward. And I’m just going to gather up the facts.

I will note while this debate about Canadian oil has been raging, keeping in mind this is Canadian oil, this isn’t U.S. oil. While that debate has been raging, we’ve seen the -- some of the biggest increases in American oil production and American natural gas production in our history."

^^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, sounds like a republican to me. Esp leaving out the part about the dirty oil meant for CHINA to be made into plastic shit to sell back to US. And the KOCH Brothers will profit from that.

Keystone XL Pipeline Could Yield $100 Billion For Koch Brothers

"Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline could generate $100 billion in profits for billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, according to a report released Sunday, which revealed the extent to which the Kochs would benefit from the tar sands development the proposed pipeline would help spur.

A progressive think tank called the International Forum on Globalization completed the study, which found that the Kochs and their privately-owned company, Koch Industries, hold up to 2 million acres of land in Alberta, Canada, the proposed starting point of the Keystone XL. Several Koch Industries subsidiaries stand to benefit from the pipeline's construction, including Koch Exploration Canada, which would profit from oil development on its land, and Koch Supply and Trading, which would benefit from oil derivatives trading.

The report also estimates that the Koch brothers have given about $50 million to think tanks and members of Congress who have pushed for the pipeline to be built."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/keystone-xl-koch-brothers_n_4136491.html

They can then spend billion$ more to buy even more of our country. Quite the gig they've got going.

[grahamhgreen]

17. Obama is our last line of defense at this point. Doesn't look good. Shocking

about the Kochs.

[ucrdem]

22. I heard this bit live and I think your fears are unfounded.

And the Kochs excerpt isn't from today's presser.

[LittleBlue]

24. We're fucked

[IDemo]

26. "really positive for the American people."

For some American people, anyway.

[SCliberal091294]

27. ..

I'm not really sure what to think about keystone. If we only approve that small portion that wouldn't be as bad. I just hope it's not as bad for the climate as we think it might be.

[RiverLover]

37. Its bad for climate, drinking water, land, farmers, trees...

http://www.foe.org/projects/climate-and-energy/tar-sands/keystone-xl-pipeline

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. That is nowhere near "In Full" ...

What he REALLY said was:

So, let me just pick up on Keystone. There’s an independent process. It’s moving forward. And the -- I’m going to let that process play out. I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with? There’s a pending case before a Nebraska judge about some of the sighting. The process is moving forward. And I’m just going to gather up the facts.

I will note while this debate about Canadian oil has been raging, keeping in mind this is Canadian oil, this isn’t U.S. oil. While that debate has been raging, we’ve seen the -- some of the biggest increases in American oil production and American natural gas production in our history.

We are closer to energy independence than we’ve ever been before, or at least as we’ve been in decades. We are importing less foreign oil than we produce for the first time in a very long time. We’ve got a 100 year supply of natural gas that if we responsibly tap, puts us in the strongest position when it comes to energy of any industrialized country around the world.

When I travel to Asia or I travel to Europe, their biggest envy is the incredible, homegrown, U.S. energy production that is producing jobs and attracting manufacturing, because locating here means you’ve got lower energy costs.

OBAMA: So, our energy sector is booming. And I’m happy to engage Republicans with additional ideas for how we can enhance that.

I should note that our clean energy production is booming as well. And so Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positive for the American people.

Now how is that different from what you are representing? Here's a hint:

I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with?

And, then he indicates that Keystone can't meet the parameters:

When I travel to Asia or I travel to Europe, their biggest envy is the incredible, homegrown, U.S. energy production that is producing jobs and attracting manufacturing, because locating here means you’ve got lower energy costs.

So, our energy sector is booming ...

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. You can't expect inveterate haters to be honest

They are consumed with it, and have little fan clubs to please.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. The sad thing is "Liberals/progressives" are ...

supposed to be the smart ones ... capable of understanding nuance.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. The nuance is well understood...dude's no dummy

The point scoring through dishonesty is just more important for some people.

[RiverLover]

41. No need for nuance

He said : "There’s an independent process. It’s moving forward. And the -- I’m going to let that process play out."

He's covering himself with what follows. Its not a coy way of saying he'll veto. He's taking his hands off the wheel.

[1StrongBlackMan]

57. Okay. eom.

[rhett o rick]

64. Does this mean you fully support the building of the pipeline? nm

[grahamhgreen]

45. No, he's saying the opposite, that Keystone is homegrown energy.

Just wait and see.

A clear 'no' is easy to say. Lies are complex.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. That's why he made the point in the speech ...

that Keystone is FOREIGN oil.

[rhett o rick]

63. So let's look at what he really said.

"There’s an independent process. It’s moving forward. And the -- I’m going to let that process play out. I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down? "

This process has been in process for almost 10 years but the President wants to "let that process play out". Really? For how long? And why does he need it to "play out"? Can't he figure it out from what we need to know now?

He goes on to say,
" I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people?" Can't we make this decision now? How about asking the American people?

"Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs?" These questions have been answered.

"Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?" "And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with? " Again, he is asking a question he should know the answer to before we go any further.

What he left out was, "Is the environment risk worth it to the American people?" "Who will pay for the environmental damage?"

And you say, "And, then he indicates that Keystone can't meet the parameters:" He didn't say that at all. And if he did say that, then why is he letting it "play out"?

Do you support the building of this pipeline?

[1StrongBlackMan]

67. I guess one will take away whatever one wants ...

Based on one's sentiment regarding this President. And your question points to this clearly.

This process has been in process for almost 10 years but the President wants to "let that process play out". Really? For how long? And why does he need it to "play out"? Can't he figure it out from what we need to know now?

Yes ... this process has been playing out for the past 10 years. If President Obama had favored the project, he could have approved it at anytime during the last 6+ years. That hasn't happened; but here you are, speculating "it's gonna happen ... any day now" ... just like the cuts to S.S., that many here have been speculating are gonna happen any day now, too.

What he left out was, "Is the environment risk worth it to the American people?" "Who will pay for the environmental damage?"

Really? Wasn't that covered here? ...

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with?

Right?

And you say, "And, then he indicates that Keystone can't meet the parameters:" He didn't say that at all. And if he did say that, then why is he letting it "play out"?

Not in so many words; but, he did indicate that the project didn't meet the "pocketbook" and "price reduction" and "climate change" criteria.

Why let the process play out? Because why not ... unlike internet pundits, he has more than one constituency to answer to. If/when "the process" says NO, then no political capital is spent when He says NO. And if you would allow your RL experience to inform your sentiment, you wouldn't be making this speculative argument.

Do you support the building of this pipeline?

No ... I do not support the pipeline; but not so much because of the "climate change effect" ... the oil is going to come out of the ground regardless of what the U.S. says; it is a foreign product, owned and being extracted, by a multi-national corporation. My objection to the project is that it is an environmental disaster waiting to happen. It's route spans sensitive geography and bisects important migratory routes, and pipelines have proven to be far from secure.

So any money made, or jobs created (and the jury is still out on whether there are any) is, IMO, out-weighed by the potential for environmental/wildlife damage.

[rhett o rick]

75. You have a very strange logic.

"Yes ... this process has been playing out for the past 10 years. If President Obama had favored the project, he could have approved it at anytime during the last 6+ years."

And the longer he let's it "play out" the harder it will be to stop.

Why is he letting it "play out"? What is he waiting for?

And specifically who are the "more than one constituency to answer to."???

The pipeline running across our country will not benefit us one bit and yet will from now on present a terrible risk of rupturing. It's just a matter of time. And the American taxpayers will pay for the clean up.

You said,

"he did indicate that the project didn't meet the "pocketbook" and "price reduction" and "climate change" criteria."

If he did, I didn't read it. Maybe you can point out the specific words. Because if that's his parameters and the project doesn't meet them, why continue?

I'm thinking that he is letting this "play out" until it's too late to stop it. Then it will be out of his hands.

[JoePhilly]

77. DU's Combustible Hair Club is now in session.

They are going to freak out no matter what he actually says.

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. True! I guess I should be used to it by now. eom.

[JoePhilly]

81. The right wing has nothing on some of these folks.

They both parse Obama's every utterance, throw out the parts that won't fit their meme, and then push it out into the internet to manufacture outrage.

And the people eat it up.

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. That can't be! ...

I've been having a back and forth with a DUer that flatly denies that!

[rhett o rick]

92. Do you think those that are opposed to fracking and the XL Pipeline are "DU's

Combustible Hair Club?" Is your loyalty more important than clean drinking water?

[JoePhilly]

96. There is a difference between ...

... being "against" something, and being cocksure it's definitely about to happen because the President is really a republican.

Go down the thread, read the insane predictions.

Dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria!!!

[rhett o rick]

99. There is nothing below about dogs and cats living together. Help me find the

hysteria. Maybe I missed the "predictions". We know he supports indefinite detention, drone kill lists, increased presence in the Middle East, Wall Street bailouts, unregulated domestic spying, an unregulated NSA/CIA Security State, Free Trade Agreements with Fast Tracking, an Arnie Duncan overhaul of our teachers, chained CPI, XL Pipeline, fracking, a strong Patriot Act, and it looks like he is having second thoughts about torture.

Those are not predictions.

The Conservatives won last Tuesday. The Conservative agenda spans the parties.

I don't think the future looks very rosy. Does that mean my hair is on fire?

[JoePhilly]

101. Ask the poster about to vomit ~4 down

Then keep reading ...

We're fucking doomed!!!!

you don't have to look at any post prior to mine to find the insanity.

Almost every post down there is in freak out mode.

[rhett o rick]

106. And you think the concerns are unfounded? Do you really think the XL Pipeline wont get

finished? Or the TPP get passed? Tell me outright that you think Pres Obama will stop the Republicans attack on SS. That he won't compromise with just a little cut (Chained CPI maybe).

Personally I am all vomited out. I vomited when Al Gore and the Democrats bowed before the Bush family in 2000 and said "Good GAme" as if they just lost a tennis match.
I vomited when Democrats (so called) bowed down before the Bush family and gave their support for the Iwar.
I vomited when the Republicans stole the second presidential election in a row in 2004 and the Democrats again, said "Good game. We'll have drinks later."

If you aren't very concerned, maybe I should have a drink of whatever you're drinking.

[JoePhilly]

108. Again you confuse "concern" ...

... with crazy.

[rhett o rick]

112. Crazy? I guess.

[riversedge]

105. I think Pres Obama is still letting the process work its

way through. IMHO. He did put a lot of emphasis on the US natural gas boom and also saying that the pipeline oil is Not OUR OIL. Also he brought in climate change. somehow ....just a hunch---I think he might say no.

[1StrongBlackMan]

109. I think your hunch is well founded ...

since, those three things go in direct conflict with the parameters he had established to judge Keystone on.

[MisterP]

46. "think the GOP will force him to pass it?" --signed, the sort of Dem who thinks we're out of Iraq

[glinda]

48. I heard that but am hoping he was reeferring to the prefacing of Canada's Keystone.

Almsot shit my pants actually. We really seriously need to do something quick as a Nation.

[BP2]

51. It would have eliminated all doubt had he just said a clear "NO" about Keystone. eom

[Odin2005]

52. Please excuse me while a vomit.

[woo me with science]

56. All things working to plan...

in bipartisan, corporate-owned neoAmerica.

We already got austerity, two new wars, food stamp cuts, "pension smoothing," drilling, fracking, corporate education....

kill lists, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and a trillion dollar ramping up of nuclear weapons...

Time now for Keystone, TPP, TISA, and Chained CPI!

Keep that Doublethink working, folks. Our good, Democratic President is going to keep showing us why we rally around the Blue Team!

[Brigid]

60. I never would have believed in my wildest dreams about President Obama but here goes:

That is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever heard.

[woo me with science]

73. Welcome.

We all wake up to the truth at our own pace.

It's not about Obama personally. It's a systemic problem of purchased government. He will be followed by the next corporate puppet unless we can throw ourselves into the gears of the machine.

[nationalize the fed]

76. +1

We all wake up to the truth at our own pace.

The thing is, soon people will realize that Fracking and Keystone are obsolete. The status quo needs to act fast. The Japanese are paving the road to the future, mostly because the US has been mired in war mode since Clinton bombed Kosovo (the first PNAC war) and busy with surveillance.

ITV Presenter Rebecca Broxton walks through Honda's new Solar Hydrogen park in Swindon UK

The launch of the UK’s first commercial-scale hydrogen production and refuelling facility powered by solar energy heralds the dawn of an era of true carbon-free fuel.

The gas will be generated at Honda UK's manufacturing plant in Swindon at the rate of 20 tonnes per year using a process called solar hydrolysis, whereby Hydrogen will be produced from water using the heat of the sun, and used initially to power a pair of forklifts, a fleet of commercial vehicles, and an education centre situated alongside the filling station...
http://www.shdlogistics.com/news/view/hydrogen-fuel-becomes-a-practical-reality

Solar Hydrogen is the greenest fuel on the planet, and if it can work in England at 51 degrees north latitude (2 degrees north of Montana!) it can work here. But it will change everything.

[woo me with science]

78. Wow. Thank you for posting this.

I hope you will make it an OP.

Yes, this is planet- and political world-transforming stuff.

[nationalize the fed]

87. Right! You get it immediately!

You're out in front of many things.

I posted it in the Energy group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112777268

Maybe I should post it here. Thanks for the idea.

This is truly the biggest thing to happen in the field of energy in our lifetimes.

Transforming. Huge. It truly will change *everything*. Imagine a world of plenty instead of a world of oil wars, scarcity and conflict.

It's here, as soon as people want. Thanks to the Japanese. They've worked on this tech for >20 years and now it's here.

Check these links out:

ITV Video: Honda Solarpark in Swindon, UK
http://www.itv.com/news/west/story/2014-09-03/solar-farm-opens-in-swindon/

Institute of Mechanical Engineers: First green hydrogen refuelling station opens
Solar-powered hydrogen available to drivers at Honda's Swindon factory
http://www.imeche.org/news/engineering/first-green-hydrogen-refuelling-station-opens

[randome]

91. You didn't read the full exchange. See post #28.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[rhett o rick]

110. Reading the "full exchange" clarifies nothing. It's pure rhetoric.

He says he is going to let the process "play out". Play out? It's not golf. What more does he need to know that isn't already well known?

He is stalling until it will be too late. We know now how many jobs it will create and that it won't bring gas prices down.

[Orsino]

62. Just relax and enjoy it. n/t

[Puzzledtraveller]

70. Keystone is coming and this may have been what he wanted.

He knows the republicans will deliver it to him.

[jwirr]

80. Bye bye to the auguifer. There is going to be no fresh water left in this country. I think we need

to start asking Africa how you live without clean water to drink.

[dilby]

83. Jesus, anyone get the feeling Obama was happy with the Election Results?

Republicans would never oppose Keystone and now Obama will have their full support. Fuck this happy horse shit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. So much for the Veto Pen theory.

[TBF]

86. Next we'll return to

having a "conversation on ... social security":

To preserve our long-term fiscal health, we must also address the growing costs in Medicare and Social Security. Comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare for years to come. And we must also begin a conversation on how to do the same for Social Security, while creating tax-free universal savings accounts for all Americans.

Text to that speech is right here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%27s_First_State_of_the_Union_Address

I can only imagine how the republicans plan to "address the growing costs in Medicare and Social Security".

All I can say is hold on - and I'll see you in the streets.

[Blue_In_AK]

97. Just my opinion, but

I don't think President Obama is the person that people thought they were electing in 2008.

[Hatchling]

102. Not just your opinion.

Deleted what else I wrote because I just bought a new star and want to stay here.

[Blue_In_AK]

104. :)

[elehhhhna]

103. now his party has both house & senate expect more of this shit

[rhett o rick]

107. And a president pushing a conservative agenda.

And what do we have to look forward to in 2016? Conservative Thing 1 or Conservative Thing 2 and more of the same.

I am old and know I will not see our country reestablish any semblance of a democratic republic but I do fear for my children. It's bad enough when we have the crazy Right Wing to fight but maybe worse to have to also fight those calling themselves moderates but support a strong Conservative Agenda.

[BeanMusical]

123. Yep. He should use this quote:

And you ain't seen nothin' yet.

[BeanMusical]

119. What a surprise!

Not really.