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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere are the Third Way elected officials, identified by Third Way:
OUR TEAM - honorary co-chairs:
Sen. Thomas Carper, Senator
Sen. Claire McCaskill, Senator
Sen. Mark Udall, Senator
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, Senator
Sen. Kay Hagan, Senator
Sen. Chris Coons, Senator
Rep. James Clyburn, Member of Congress
Rep. John Dingell, Member of Congress
Rep. Ron Kind, Member of Congress
Rep. Joseph Crowley, Member of Congress
Rep. Jared Polis, Member of Congress
emeritus co-chairs:
Gabrielle Giffords, Former Member of Congress
Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services
Ken Salazar, Former Secretary of the Interior
Jane Harman, Former Member of Congress
Ellen Tauscher, Special Envoy for Strategic Stability and Missile Defense
Blanche Lincoln, Former U.S. Senator
Evan Bayh, Former U.S. Senator
Melissa Bean, Former Member of Congress
link: http://www.thirdway.org/about#
If there are others, by all means add them to the list. But as far as I can tell, other than the Clintons who are supported by Third Way, this is it. Barack Obama is not on this list and there does not seem to be any link between Obama and the DLC or Third Way.
merrily
(45,251 posts)he allowed as how, in the 1980s (Reagan years), he would have been considered a moderate Republican.
Why the pressing need to decide what he is now, though? He will never run again.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)You're welcome.
merrily
(45,251 posts)very similar philosophy.
Not being a member of the Third Way think tank has nothing to do with whether one is Third Way or not anyway.
The Third Way philosophy was around long before the think tank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
Not everyone who believes in the philosophy is linked to the think tank.
New Democrat/moderate Republican/Third Way.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Thanks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The notion that no one has a Third Way political philosophy unless the Third Way think tank lists them is beyond wron
Enjoy your error.
Who cares, anyway? He'll never run again.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Is this news to you?
I KNOW you were saying that being on some think tank's list is the be all and end all of third way politicians and are now trying to backpedal away from that. But, what else are you saying as you try to backpedal? That all politicians who are Third Way agree with each other in every single way? That you can't possibly be Third Way if some think tank formed in 2005 by Clintonites disagrees with you about something?
The man self-identified as a New Democrat and practically said he was a moderate Republican. New Democrats are third way. I take him at his word. Are you calling him a liar, or are you saying you are in a better position to identify his political philosophy than he is? Or are you just that clueless about Third Way, yet still refuse to look at a link I've now posted to you on two different threads?
And, again, why is it so important to decide what Obama is, besides a Democratic President who will never run again? Working for the Obama legacy team?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)One does not have to be on the official list to subscribe to the political philosophy.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Other blog entries on the same page seem to indicate strong support for Mrs Clinton:
http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?tag=hillary-clinton
Neither Clinton is identified as part of the Third Way team however.
Marr
(20,317 posts)This is getting funny.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The Third Way blog however is supportive of Mrs Clinton's possilbe candidacy. That's what I found. You're welcome.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Trying to minimize their relevance by saying they're just a few relatively obscure names, I mean. They have a broad effect on the party, and are representative of an ideology that's larger than one think tank.
But don't let me interrupt your performance. If I could make a request, I'd love it if you'd explain why cockroaches don't actually exist next. It would save me some money on insecticide.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(44,980 posts)Those of us who are aware of the third way knew he wasn't on it. But he does self identify as a "new democrat"
merrily
(45,251 posts)This idea that no one is a Third Way politician unless he or she is formally connected to the think tank that is named after the philosophy is a joke.
That's like saying no one who self describes is a socialist is a socialist unless he or she is connected to the Socialist think tank.
Besides, Obama did not only self identify as a New Democrat. He all but self identified as a moderate Republican. Yet, he ran as a Democrat. If that isn't the Third Way philosophy, what is?
Autumn
(44,980 posts)Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Their influence is unmatched.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)He's too smart to be in tight with the third way.
I notice some of the names in the 3rd way are some of the worst offenders. Thanks for shining a light on them, uc.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)How the Reps did I don't know.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Interesting shit here... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/11/magazine/what-timothy-geithner-really-thinks.html?_r=0
One minute he's out and the next he's in!!
I wished Obama would make up his mind on where he stands.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)I visited the link, which was the first time I've ever been on that website. I can't really see how they're that strong an influence on Democratic politics, based on those names and the website.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)not to be confused with any earthly Third Way.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And have proven to be losers. We are on to them and we Lefties are crushing them.
Good job, uc, for helping expose them.
Amazing the power the Left has, isn't it?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not one frickin' name. Insults, insinuations, mixed-up whacko false conclusions a-plenty, but a name? Nada.
If that's the power of DU's anti-Third Way contingent I wouldn't call it amazing.
Rex
(65,616 posts)so nobody really thought you were sincere, can you blame them?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But the fact is no one could name a single name when I asked.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You have a strange way of trying to get information. Personally I don't think this plan of trying to minimize the Third Way is going to work, but have at it.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)He just, well, he's just learning... one hopes.
You see? uc is just exploring the ins and outs and all abouts of this great modern political system of strange political bedfellows.
Me? I did not have sex with that enemy!!
Maybe I did bop one or two of the others, but not that one!! Of course it all depends on what the meaning of is, is. Is we clear?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Pretending not to know anything...it is funny and sad at the same time.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)One day it's like the third way doesn't exist, but if it did, it didn't mean a thing, and then it's like, yeah, ok, there they are, but they don't have any umphhh, even if they are financed by wall street. And now we've come to look, Obama is not in bed with them!!
Rex
(65,616 posts)I have no doubt repukes would fall for this shit hook, line and sinker. Just an overall insult to our collective intelligence.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The third way did have some success. So they figure if they just keep up the bullshit, they can keep it alive? Well, now, they've just about played themselves out and having exposed themselves rather well, they may just quit? One can hope?
Rex
(65,616 posts)that lean libertarian. I can only imagine how many billions over the decades they have put into accounts just dedicated to keeping their plans off the radar. You can see the total freak out here over just mentioning their name. No, deep pockets like that means we will probably never be rid of them. Also, they still have big plans to destroy social security. That might take awhile.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)no one is going to know who or what the hell you're talking about. I finally looked it up and now we know. You're welcome.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Hey, I'm just having some fun. Yeah, at your expense, for sure. But you can afford it, right? No?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)far too freely on DU. I've been called one, but today was the first time I've ever seen that website. I don't align myself with anyone on that list of members at all. Some are in Congress, but there are all sorts of people in Congress who don't represent me or my state. My Senators are Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar. I didn't see their names on that list anywhere. I like Al Franken very much. Amy Klobuchar is a reliable vote for almost all measures supported by Democrats. She's also very popular in Minnesota and will easily earn reelection in 2018 when she runs again. We just re-elected Franken.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)change in governing philosophy. Politicians have moved away from having politicians embrace big increases in welfare (the ACA being an exception) or large government spending projects, and have largely embraced things like welfare reform and market based solutions.
Again, the term gets used in an odd way around here (notice how the Clintons get labeled third wayers all the time, while I've never seen the term used to describe Dean), but the philosophy (liberals who are against large welfare states and large scale public works projects) is probably the most prominent philosophy amongst Democrats (at the very least, Democratic politicians, but I suspect much of the base as well).
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)However the term has been so overused and so poorly defined that at this point it doesn't mean much else than "I don't care for you or your views." Other than that it's meaningless.
W_HAMILTON
(7,835 posts)And who are the Third Way Republicans in Congress? Are there any?
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)One shining light from Ohio, for at least 2 more years anyways.
on point
(2,506 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I bet a lot of people.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Obama's cabinet has always been riddled with Third Wayers, Republicans and Investment bankers.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Salazar is out and Sibelius is going.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Like Bill Daley, the third way board member who replaced DLC Rahm Emanual as Obama's chief of staff.
Your list is incomplete.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)board of trustees:
John Vogelstein, Chairman
David Heller, Vice Chairman
Bernard L. Schwartz, Chairman Emeritus
Jonathan Cowan, President
Georgette Bennett
William D. Budinger
David A. Coulter
Lewis Cullman
William Daley
John Dyson
Robert Dyson
Andrew Feldstein
Michael Goldberg
Brian Frank
Peter Joseph
Kef Kasdin
Derek Kaufman
Derek Kirkland
Daniel Lewis
Thurgood Marshall, Jr.
Susan McCue
Herbert Miller
Michael Novogratz
Rachel Pritzker
Kirk Radke
William Reeves
Howard Rossman
Marc Spilker
Ted Trimpa
Christine Varney
Barbara Manfrey Vogelstein
Joseph Zimlich
...............................
same link: http://www.thirdway.org/about#
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)About the Reps I don't know.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)because only they can persuade voters to stay the fuck home and not bother voting.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)How many bankers went to jail on Obama's watch.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/third-way-no-way
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Meanwhile, Barack Obama and Joe Biden are featured prominently on their About page.
"Not too far left, not too far right" served Kay Hagan really well. Thanks Third Way, straight from North Carolina... you were instrumental in helping Democrats lose the Senate!
President Jonathan Cowan has "consistently led an internal insurrection against the obsolete notions of his own Democratic Party." How'd that work out in 2010 and 2014, Jonathan? (Please, America, fight to keep their grubby paws off your "obsolete" Social Security and Medicare!)
The SVP for Public Affairs, as a 23-year-old campaign staffer, is the one who put Dukakis in the tank. Is this the same guy that brought us the dopey Obamacare Pajama Boy? What a winner that was.
VP of Operations: "At the tender age of 16, she worked on top secret projects at the Department of Defense under Secretary Caspar Weinberger." 16!
I rarely use this, but -- LMAOROFL -- Josh likes "dank basement punk show." Nah, he's the genius behind Pajama Boy.
Keep reading DUers... even their bios are bullshit.
http://www.thirdway.org/about
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)They are not listed as part of the team and are not otherwise connected that I can determine.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)in some sort of panel on the future of the workforce.
Oh, they're part of the team. And when this is all over, Biden needs to step aside. Hang out in Rehoboth. Something.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Which strikes me as disingenuous.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Their contact info is at their website.
Here's another goodie:
That's for the Director of the National Security Program.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Not as bad as Republicans
Not as bad as Progressives
Not as bad as Liberals
A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)So much bullshit in such little space.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Here is the House website.
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/
Senate New Dems are harder to find, but here is a page with a bunch of links.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Senate_New_Democrat_Coalition
The New Democrats were formed in 1997, and are closely tied in policy to the Third Way
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/about-me
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)You sound very desperate to prove Third Way irrelevance.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Happy Purging!
Barack Obama
Bill and Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
In the 113th Congress, the following 50 members of the House of Representatives currently belong to the New Democrat Coalition:[12]
Alabama[edit]
Terri Sewell (AL-07)
Arizona[edit]
Ron Barber (AZ-02)
Kyrsten Sinema (AZ-09)
California[edit]
Ami Bera (CA-07)
Lois Capps (CA-24)
Tony Cardenas (CA-29)
Susan Davis (CA-53)
Scott H. Peters (CA-52)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-46)
Adam Schiff (CA-28)
Juan Vargas (CA-51)
Colorado[edit]
Jared Polis (CO-2)
Ed Perlmutter (CO-7)
Connecticut[edit]
Joe Courtney (CT-2)
Elizabeth Esty (CT-05)
Jim Himes (CT-04)
Delaware[edit]
John Carney (DE-At Large)
Florida[edit]
Joe Garcia (FL-26)
Patrick Murphy (FL-18)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-23)
Georgia[edit]
David Scott (GA-13)
Hawaii[edit]
Colleen Hanabusa (HI-01)
Illinois[edit]
Bill Foster (IL-11)
Mike Quigley (IL-05)
Brad Schneider (IL-10)
Indiana[edit]
André Carson (IN-7)
Louisiana[edit]
Cedric Richmond (LA-2)
Maryland[edit]
John Delaney (MD-06)
Michigan[edit]
Gary Peters (MI-14)
New Jersey[edit]
Rush D. Holt (NJ-12)
New York[edit]
Dan Maffei (NY-24)
Sean Patrick Maloney (NY-18)
Carolyn McCarthy (NY-4)
Gregory Meeks (NY-5)
Eliot L. Engel (NY-16)
Bill Owens (NY-21)
North Carolina[edit]
Mike McIntyre (NC-07)
Oregon[edit]
Kurt Schrader (OR-5)
Pennsylvania[edit]
Allyson Schwartz (PA-13)
Puerto Rico[edit]
Pedro Pierluisi (PR-At Large)
Tennessee
Jim Cooper (TN-05)
Texas[edit]
Joaquin Castro (TX-20)
Filemon Vela, Jr. (TX-34)
Virginia[edit]
Jim Moran (VA-8), charter member
Gerry Connolly (VA-11)
Washington[edit]
Suzan DelBene (WA-01)
Denny Heck (WA-10)
Derek Kilmer (WA-06)
Rick Larsen (WA-2)
Adam Smith (WA-9), Vice-Chair, charter member
Wisconsin[edit]
Ron Kind (WI-3), Vice-Chair, charter member
Former members[edit]
Former Representatives[edit]
Members who have left Congress:
James A. Barcia (MI-5), charter member, did not seek re-election
Chris Bell (TX-25), lost re-election following redistricting
Ken Bentsen (TX-25), charter member, did not seek re-election
Dennis Cardoza (CA-18), did not seek re-election and subsequently resigned in 2012
Ed Case (HI-2), did not seek re-election
Bob Clement (TN-5), charter member, did not seek re-election
Jim Davis (FL-11), charter member, did not seek re-election
Peter Deutsch (FL-20), charter member, did not seek re-election
Norman D. Dicks (WA-6), charter member, did not seek re-election
Bob Etheridge (NC-2), charter member, lost re-election in 2010
Harold Ford (TN-9), did not seek re-election
Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8), resigned from Congress in January 2012
Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20), appointed to Hillary Clinton's vacant Senate seat
Jane Harman (CA-36), resigned in 2011
Jay Inslee (WA-1), resigned in March 2012, Elected State Governor
John J. LaFalce (NY-29), charter member, did not seek re-election
Nick Lampson (TX-22), lost re-election in 2008
Bill Luther (MN-6), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Tim Mahoney (FL-16), lost re-election in 2008
Denise Majette (GA-4), did not seek re-election
Bob Matsui (CA-5), charter member, deceased
Karen McCarthy (MO-5), charter member, did not seek re-election
Juanita Millender-McDonald (CA-37), deceased
Brad Miller (NC-13), did not seek re-election
Earl Pomeroy (ND), charter member, lost re-election in 2010
Steve Rothman (NJ-9), charter member, lost renomination following redistricting
Max Sandlin (TX-1), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Thomas C. Sawyer (OH-14), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Heath Shuler (NC-11), did not seek re-election
Charles Stenholm (TX-17), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Ellen Tauscher (CA-10), appointed Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs
Jim Turner (TX-2), charter member, did not seek re-election
Senate New Democrat Coalition members[edit]
The following Senators belong or belonged to the Senate New Democrat Coalition.[13][14][15]
Current senators[edit]
Dianne Feinstein (CA, by 2001)
Thomas R. Carper (DE, by 2001; co-chair from 2003)
Bill Nelson (FL, by 2001)
Mary Landrieu (LA, founder, co-chair from 2003)
Debbie Stabenow (MI, by 2001)
Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
Tim Johnson (SD, from 2000)
Maria Cantwell (WA, by 2001)
Former senators[edit]
Blanche Lincoln (AR, founder, from 1999; defeated in 2010)
Evan Bayh (IN, founder, retired from senate in 2011)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY, from 2001; retired from Senate in 2009 to become Secretary of State)[16]
Bob Graham (FL, founder, chair from 20002003; retired from Senate in 2003)
Max Cleland (GA, from 2000; defeated in 2002)
Zell Miller (GA, from 2001; retired from Senate in 2004)
John Breaux (LA, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2004)
Jean Carnahan (MO, from 2001; defeated in 2002)
John Edwards (NC, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2004)
Bob Kerrey (NE, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2000)
Richard Bryan (NV, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2000)
Chuck Robb (VA, from 2000; defeated in 2000)
Jon Corzine (NJ, from 2004; retired to run for Governor in 2005)
John Kerry (MA, from 2000); resigned to take office as Secretary of State in 2013
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)They kill Democrats one night of the year.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)If you're going to try to defend Obama from the charge of being part of the New Democrat grouping (which included DLC and Third Way), it'd be best if you explained the absolute horde of Rubinites who infested Treasury and the West Wing from day one. That extremely inconvenient fact tends to undercut your assertion.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Liebermann was a CHAIR of the DLC.
So, if Obama resisted becoming a member of the DLC, he did so after close connections to it. Good for him.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)"...Buried inside the annual report for Third Way is a revelation that the group relies on a peculiar DC consulting firm to raise half a million a year: Peck, Madigan, Jones & Stewart. Peck Madigan is no ordinary nonprofit buckraiser. The group is, in fact, a corporate lobbying firm that represents Deutsche Bank, Intel, the Business Roundtable, Amgen, AT&T, the International Swaps & Derivatives Association, MasterCard, New York Life Insurance, PhRMA and the US Chamber of Commerce, among others.
The two organizations complement each other well. Peck Madigan signs as a lobbyist for the government of New Zealand on the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade deal; Third Way aggressively promotes the deal. Peck Madigan clients push for entitlement cuts, and so does Third Way.
Notice that Humana, a major health insurance company, lists its $50,000 donation to Third Way not as a donation to a think tank but as part of its yearly budget spent on lobbying activity, up there with the Florida Chamber and other trade associations. The company views financial gifts to Third Way as part of its strategy for increasing its profit-making political influence..."
http://www.thenation.com/blog/177437/gop-donors-and-k-street-fuel-third-ways-advice-democratic-party#