According to some Hillary Clinton can't win.

[dilby]

I guess it's because she is a Clinton and has a vagina. Not really sure what the problem is, I loved Clinton and I happen to appreciate vaginas but I guess for some both are bad. Is Clinton the most liberal Democrat to ever walk the face of the earth? Hell no she is not, but she is not much further right of our current President and things are starting to turn around for the county minus the very minor midterm hiccup.

Now if you want me to vote for someone other than Clinton you need to convince Warren to run but last time I heard that was not going to happen. Right now I have not seen another candidate who holds a candle to Clinton and if you want to bitch and complain about that then you better get your candidate to start convincing me they are the better option.

[shenmue]

1. But EVIL roooarghhh

Just preparing you for the blather-fest that will follow.

[Odin2005]

2. I knew the Clintonistas would pull the gender card, eventually.

They did it in 2008, too.

[dilby]

5. Who is better than Clinton?

I keep hearing you say she will keep you from voting but you have not said who you would prefer. Yeah I would like for Jesus Christ to run under his heal the sick, feed the hungry, take care of the poor, love everyone campaign for President but we are stuck with real people and not make believe what I would want candidates.

[Odin2005]

8. Warren, by a mile.

Warren speaks to issues we Millennials care about.

[dilby]

13. She is not running.

Unless you want to convince her too then you are hoping for the impossible.

[GeorgeGist]

39. Neither is Hillary.

[leftofcool]

7. Your post contains number 5.

For the next 2 years I am counting the number of times Hillary supporters get called Clintonistas here on DU. Congrats, you get to be in the top 10.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

3. "the very minor midterm hiccup."

Good one.

You better start focusing on January 2015 through January 2017 -- it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[leftofcool]

4. You used the evil phrase

Never say on DU that you are a Clinton supporter lest you be called a Clintonista, a 3rd wayer, a Republican lite, not a real Democrat and a whole host of other stupid memes that can be found only on DU. Just remember that DU represents about .000000000000001% of this country's Dems.

[dilby]

11. I would rather be a Clintonista than someone who believes in some imaginary Democrat in the Sky.

Seems there are those who have the belief that there is this magical Democrat out there who will beam themselves down to earth and lead us to the promise land. Not sure who this person is but it's obviously the person who has no name and is not Clinton.

[leftofcool]

14. Me too. I think they believe that Warren is the new savior.

I like Liz but I don't have much appreciation for some of her real estate tactics.

[dilby]

15. I would vote Liz but she has said she is not running.

So basically I am better off putting my hopes on Buddha running than her. Clinton has her hat in the game, Clinton has said she will run. Warren is the better option but Warren is not going to run so for me to complain about Clinton because I like Warren better is illogical.

[leftofcool]

17. Then I guess you and I aren't "real Democrats."

[dilby]

20. I think we will be ok, the haters will jump on the bandwagon when Clinton wins.

And they will all be saying how they supported Clinton before she was popular. It was the same way with Obama.

[Number23]

18. Is it even that high?

Just remember that DU represents about .000000000000001% of this country's Dems.

[sabrina 1]

6. This is a perfect example of why Dems are losing. The downright insult to the very voters

they need to get elected.

Is this OP a JOKE?

The ONLY reason I am kicking it is to let people see for themselves the strategy that was used to GOTV!

Insult the people you need to win an election.

Make sure to accuse of them of everything from Sexism to Racism if they dare to point out some FACTS about a candidate they do not believe represents them.

I can't think of a more failed tactic, it's almost as if someone is working HARD to suppress the vote.

If you want a woman for president, there are PLENTY of Dem Women who are way more suitable to lead a party that supposedly represents the Working Class. To push someone the voters, and please don't bother with the polls which do NOT represent the demographics that are needed to GET elected, have stated they do not want, is arrogance beyond belief.

My choice for a female Presidential Candidate is a true Progressive Democrat, one who never wavered when the rest of DC was falling all over themselves to support Bush/Cheney.

Her name is Barbara Lee. THAT would be someone I could get enthusiastic about.

But you did say VAGINA several times. I guess that is supposed be cool or something.

[bravenak]

12. Is it wrong that you made me crack up?

Too funny!

[sabrina 1]

19. Lol!

Not at all!

I'm wondering how I can work the word 'vagina' into this response!

[bravenak]

22. Vagina.

[freshwest]

30. How about them Vah-Jay-Nays? Besides, my Seahawks just kicked ass today!

Sorry, I was trying to write a poem for you, and can't promise my next literary effort will be any better for DU.

I'm working on novellas most of the time. Nothing political about them. They'll never be on DU!

[bravenak]

33. Novellas, huh?

I'm interested in your novellas more than your vah-gy-nah.

I also love the Seahawks, my husband is from Seattle and watches every game. Them and the Cowboys. I don't heart the Cowboys though, they alright.

[dilby]

16. I am sorry but if supporting Clinton is supressing votes

there is something seriously wrong with your voters.

[Union Scribe]

9. Hmm not enough whining and insults

about young voters. Guess you ran out after trashing them all up and down the other thread and decided to start fresh with sexism allegations.

[SheilaT]

10. I think the Hillary chorus is all too oblivious

to how hated she is outside of a relatively small part of the Democratic Party. All of the polls that seem to show she would win in 2016 are basically name recognition polls, and are not remotely indicative of what things would be like once real campaigning stops.

Don't think for a minute that any single thing that can be thrown against her, whether deserved or not, whether fair or not, will be thrown.

More to the point, she comes with a lot of baggage, and is hardly a genuine liberal or progressive. Maybe she was once, but not for a long time. She's been a long way from even the upper middle classes at least since Bill was elected in 1992. Twenty-two years ago now. And ever since they left the White House, she's lived a life of privilege and luxury and puts here squarely in the 1%. It shows in many of the tone-deaf sorts of comments she makes.

To keep on hyping, "Only Hillary can win, only Hillary can win" is to not take a close look at the world as it is today, who the voters really are, all across the political spectrum.

[gwheezie]

21. I'll vote for Hillary

so far she's the only one who looks like they're running. Or Cuomo? I'm not voting for him. Who else? If someone better than hillary runs for the nomination but so far I'll have to wait and see. There are several dem women I would vote for but it doesn't look like they're running.

[DonCoquixote]

23. The elephant in the room

is that way before the mid terms, indeed, in stead of focusing on the mid terms, many people here were trying to promote the inevitable Hillary meme, precisely to ensure that no one else would enter the field. They remember how Obama smashed the inevitability meme, and thye want to send a message that if anybody thinks about it, they will be crushed.

[NordicLeft]

24. Better than Clinton --- Sherrod Brown, Al Franken, Marcy Kaptur, Peter DeFazio and...

Bernie Sanders (although not a Democrat), Elizabeth Warren (already addressed), Russ Feingold, Ron Wyden, Kirsten Gillibrand (from NY, so wont happen with HRC in race), Amy Klobuchar, Martin O'Malley, Martin Heinrich, Jeff Merkley, Alan Grayson, Barbara Lee (the ONLY congress member to vote against Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists Act in 2001 from whence SO much evil has sprung, even Ron Paul voted for it).

All in no particular order. Sanders is the closest to my ideals. Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren, Marcy Kaptur and Pete DeFazio next.


Hillary would be pretty far right here in Sweden. She is a corporatist and war monger. She has huge negatives with so many groups. She will not win, and will hurt Democrats down-ticket, as the right-wing loons will chew off their own legs (they do anyway bt voting against their class) to vote against Clinton.

2016 is looking like a rough ride for the world.

[Thinkingabout]

25. I intend to vote for the candidate who is for increasing the minimun wage, thinks it should be tied

to congressional pay, interested in equal pay for women, is for women's choice, is for education, is for health care, is for putting funds towards infrastructure, take action to curb foreclosures, outraged at CEO pay, against corporations who move off shore to prevent paying taxes.

[ZombieHorde]

26. There's

about 37 threads posted each day about why some people don't like her. If you read some of them, you'll know what the problem is, you silly. I can't help but to feel that you're pretending to not know why some people don't like her. Have you really not read through some of those threads?

[sibelian]

37. OP's intended audience is imaginary.

A common problem on this site.

[Half-Century Man]

27. I'm against limiting ourselves to a single candidate 2 years from any Primary.

That is just stupid.

I will never vote for or against someone because of which set of genitalia they have.
I will never vote for or against someone for which sex they prefer.
I will never vote for or against someone because of the hue of their outer covering.
I will never vote for or against someone due to the financial circumstances of their birth.
I will never vote for or against someone based on their family name.

I will vote based on policies candidates have.
I will vote on the past alliances of candidates, as they are indicators of possible hidden agendas.
I will vote based on the historical record of their participation in legislation.
I will vote against ALEC

[LostInAnomie]

28. According to some, scat porn is arousing.

Doesn't mean they are right.

[spin]

29. Hillary will probably lose because she is a terrible campaigner. The fact that she is female ...

has nothing to do with her lack of charisma.

She was supposed to win in 2008 but lost the Democratic primary to a basically unknown senator who had a message that resonated with the voters.

Of course it might be possible that the Republicans will nominate another loser as they did in the last two presidential elections. If so, Hillary will win if the economy is improving at the time of the election.

And if she wins, she might be a good president. Winning a political campaign is one thing, but having the leadership ability to run this nation is another.

[Rex]

31. Opinions are strange things.

From the replies in HRC threads, I think most people here believe she is a shoe in. Nobody sees a viable GOP candidate or primary challenger on the horizon.

They gonna reheat McSame? RMoney? 3 Questions Perry? 2 if you actually count how many he remembered?

And it has nothing to do with me wanting to vote for her or not, I am a yellowdog dem. Just reading the news and watching peoples reactions.

[KMOD]

32. Is she even running?

[w4rma]

34. As soon as you said "and has a vagina", I quit reading. (nt)

[silvershadow]

35. She can't, without bringing some Republicans her way (which I am sure she will, being

that she is closer in her views to them than she is to us). Yep, If she's the nominee I'm outta here. Promise. Enough is enough. We have our own split right here in this party, and it is the Third Way who has to go. I really don't give a rat's behind if they join with the Republicans, good riddance.

[sibelian]

36. "I guess it's because she is a Clinton and has a vagina."

THIS is why we don't take you seriously.

Who are you talking to?

[Live and Learn]

38. No problem with any sex organs here but a big problem

with those of either sex that couldn't understand that the march to war in Iraq was based on lies.

Hard to forget that. And hard to vote for someone that was too stupid (or had ulterior motives) to realize it.

I use to like her but that vote did it for me. Would love to have a woman in office but only if she will truly represent what I believe.

If Clinton is the nominee, I will most likely support her but I won't be happy about it.

[99Forever]

40. You apparently ...

.. vote based on genital plumbing, most people don't.

I vote on stands on issues, Clinton's suck.

[B Calm]

41. Is this a sexist post?

[davidpdx]

42. Jesus christ

More of the Clinton is the inevitable deal with it shit. Please get over yourself.

I can't speak for everyone who dislikes her, but here are some of my LEGITIMATE REASONS:

-She is a warhawk who voted to go to war with Iraq
-She is a corporatist Democrat that will beholden to the banks
-Several of the policies her husband signed sold the 99% down the river (the repeal of Glass-Steagall, Telecommunications Deregulation, The Freedom Restoration Act).

If you don't like those reason, go pound sand!

[GeorgeGist]

43. According to some Hillary Clinton can't lose.

I guess it's because she is a Clinton and has a vagina.