I have a feeling the next 20 months or so are going to suck here on DU. Royally.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

Lots of name calling, division, blaming, finger pointing, self-righteous sanctimony, calling for purging and banishment, and instigation from a few key usual suspects.

Basically, everyone at everyone else's throats.

2007-mid 2008 was bad here. Really bad.

I think this will be worse, sadly.

[tkmorris]

1. I think so too

Unless of course someone lays down the law and gets everyone back on the same page. I don't see that happening though. It's anarchy in here, and it isn't gonna get better anytime soon.

[FrodosPet]

7. People on the left need to fall in line

We need to speak with one mind and one voice. We need to look to strong, charismatic progressive leaders for a sense of direction.

Strong leadership and an obedient rank-and-file is the only way to defeat authoritarianism.

[Oilwellian]

10. You want to defeat authoritarianism with an obedient rank-and-file?

[FrodosPet]

41. This is the response I was hoping for!

I know, I use the sarcasm tag far too infrequently.

Alas, it seems like too many people want to believe that a party and philosophy built on diversity and individuality needs to have a purge of people who are only at 90%.

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. "Strong leadership and an obedient rank-and-file... only way to defeat authoritarianism."

That is truly some industrial-strength irony right there.

Mind if I steal that? I promise to credit you every time I use it.

[FrodosPet]

37. Thank you for the credit!

[hrmjustin]

23. Fall in line behind who?

[Zorra]

28. Only hard work, obedience, and groveling in submission to our 1% masters can keep us safe!1!

[Autumn]

29. obedient rank-and-file? the only person I ever obeyed is dead

Fuck that.

[MoonchildCA]

43. May I just add a sound effect?

Whoooosh!

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. Add five "Whooshes" going over your own head like a 747.

One for each response other than yours.

[treestar]

59. If that is how you label working together or the slightest hint of it

I would think you are for an authoritarian state, just the wrong authoritarians have the power.

[lpbk2713]

2. Ignore lists will grow.

Maybe even a few more GBCW OPs. Other than that , I look for business as usual.

[earthside]

3. Clinton v. Obama 2008

It was quite ugly here a lot of the time.

I put up with it, though, that is the nature of politics.

I must say, however, remembering those days on political bulletin boards is yet another reason why I hope Hillary doesn't run.

[Hoyt]

4. Yep. Not that we should care, but right wingers will enjoy the show. Hope we survive. n/t

[m-lekktor]

5. political discussion boards aren't for you then.

or find one where everybody thinks like you and no disagreement is allowed. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Says the guy who's been here 7 years less than me. nt

[Brigid]

14. Doesn't mean he/she is wrong.

It would be pretty boring around here if everybody agreed on everything.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. I agree. But 2007-08 was abnormally bad. nt

[Brigid]

35. Can't deny that.

But I guess that's the nature of the beast.

[Hissyspit]

15. LOL

[tkmorris]

16. You call what's been going on here lately "discussion"?

Because I don't.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. The irony is that DU does a little better with a Republican President...

because we have a common cause.

Let's see how a Republican Congress works.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. I was thinking the exact same thing. When united before a common adversary...

Is about the only time one can take DU seriously.

[treestar]

60. Very True

I don't recall the primary battles that much - it seemed to be far worse once we had a Democratic President.

The Republican House hasn't bothered people, so the Senate too likely won't make much difference. It'll still be "Obama caving" every time.

[Liberal_Dog]

9. Possibly

I suppose it depends on how long the primary process lasts. If it ends relatively quickly, then things will settle down and we will focus on beating the Republicans.

[MoonRiver]

18. The purists will still post their threats not to vote in the general,

because their perfect, imaginary candidate is not running.

[L0oniX]

11. Liberals, progressives, populists, peaceniks and hippies will be purged.

I'm going back to DU2.

[NYC_SKP]

49. We are still there, yanno!

[gwheezie]

12. Thank God there was no internet

back when Hubert Humphrey was running in the primary against gene McCarthy. It got pretty nasty back then. And Humphrey was a liberal sadly too tied to Vietnam. He wasn't liberal enough to vote for so look what happened. We got the revised liberal Nixon who apparantly turns out was a real liberal.

[el_bryanto]

13. You may be right

I hope that we will rmember that the things that unite us are greater than the things that divide us - but we'll have to see.

Bryant

[FSogol]

20. Let's have a plea to stay positive. By that I mean..

instead of ripping every Democratic candidate, promote your preferred candidate.

instead of complaining of moves to the right, corporatism, etc, promote ideas, policies, and people that are driving things left.

wait and see what happens instead of predicting the worst and moaning about it.

remember that steps in the right direction are better than no movement.

avoid division and recognize that not every district in this country is the same.

[Bobbie Jo]

21. As opposed to the last 20 months?

"Lots of name calling, division, blaming, finger pointing, self-righteous sanctimony, calling for purging and banishment, and instigation from a few key usual suspects."

Check.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

26. ........

[Orsino]

54. +1. n/t

[treestar]

61. Yes, and this time it may not even

improve when the candidate is decided! People will be here trying to discourage voting again and saying the parties are the same. Several are already quite committed to being against Hillary, so if she does win, they will have to be "right" and continue to bash her right up to the election!

[Number23]

62. As usual, BJ we are on the exact same page

[KingCharlemagne]

22. As Harry S. Truman once famously quipped, "If you can't stand the

heat, get out of the kitchen." Although he was referring to his own situation and need for fortitude in the eye of a storm of Republican scalawags and demagogues, HST's words would seem to apply here also.

[hrmjustin]

25. The name calling has already begun.

[jwirr]

27. Actually we are at our best when we have someone to oppose. I think the Rs qualify.

[Initech]

30. It will. I say stock up on lots of butter and enjoy the show.

[Dawgs]

31. 2007-2008 was great.

I loved every second of it.

[GusBob]

32. mrs clinton will be the nominee and the next potus

And du will parse itself out of being meaningful

[NYC_SKP]

34. She's not running. Warren is ou next president.

Hillary's love of country will trump her ambition to be president.

[freshwest]

45. Morning, SKP! Here's a dilemma for you:

From a thread titled:

New Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell plans to taunt/troll Elizabeth Warren for the next 2 yrs

To which I posted:



A GOP Senate's First Target - Elizabeth Warren’s Consumer Protection Agency



Clinton-Warren for Change

Please give that whole post a good read, SKP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025785493#post7

You know I love ya, big guy, but what would you do about that?

Note:

Clinton is not my choice, but I won't commit to not vote because of her. I hated how her campaign (or just her supporters) went after Obama. There are still active websites that attack PBO daily that are touting HRC after all these years.

IDK how many make up the anti-Obamanista wrecking crew online, but doubt they are doing this with her support, really, it's no help to her. I suspect more than a little Segretti method is being employed there.

But Barack Obama is the smartest adult in all the rooms, and he made her SoS. At a certain level, far above those who want to get a schoolyard bully victory, these guys know what it's all about.

And I want Sanders and Warren to debate her and anyone else who pops up. I'm not sure that she can overcome the bad taste in the mouth of many of us who didn't care for her stances in 2008 but still respected her as a human being and maybe more.

Giving someone you disagree with the benefit of the doubt is can be a productive trait IRL, but online message boards live for drama and clicks on negativity.

Gotta get moving. See ya later, SKP.

[NYC_SKP]

47. Take it easy freshwest!

A shared ticket wouldn't be so bad, but I fear Warren would have to be muzzled.

I'm hearing a lot of support is from people worried about reproductive rights and other non-economic matters as their reason to pick Hill.

Well, that's like supporting puppies in our party, no courage needed.

Who will stand against Citizen's United?

Have a good one, I'm packing for San Diego for work!

[misterhighwasted]

33. Would help if we started a unified force to replace D Wasserman Schultz.

If not DU, then who is going to do it?
DU can unify for good or divide for evil.

This would be a great place to start if Dems are to have a fighting chance in 2016 at all.

How do we replace her with someone that gives a shit about the Dem Party?
What is the process, anyone know?

[pipi_k]

36. That's what I like best

about the trash thread by keyword function.

Takes a bit of observation, but if the same words/names keep showing up in threads, I just trash the keyword.

Really cuts down on the nastiness I have to see, plus having to sift through 25 threads all on the same general subject.

Nastiness...pointless arguing...

nah. I just choose not to deal with that stuff.

Anyway, yeah, I agree with you. This upcoming election could be the catalyst for lots of extremely bad behavior here. I plan on being far away from the worst of it.

ahhh...blessed peace!

[cyberswede]

38. The primaries on DU are going to be a bloodbath

...and the jury system will be worthless.

[freshwest]

46. +1

[AZ Progressive]

39. There will be plenty of fuel given Obama's eventual passing of Keystone XL and TPP

Obama will be working with Republicans to further sell off America.

[sabrina 1]

40. Why do you think that? The only way that will happen is if the Dem Party Leadership

doesn't start listening to the voters and start backing Democratic Candidates the public can vote FOR rather than the Wall St funded right leaning candidates they have been backing for so long now.

See this election. All they have to do is LISTEN to the voters, which is what they are supposed to do but up to now have treated voter like dirt, name calling, insulting and BLAMING voters for their own failures.

As we have seen in two elections now, those, understandably to any intelligent person, are failed tactics.

So I'm hoping the party leadership has finally learned that Dems want Dem policies implemented and they need to provide Candidates whose voting records tell the voters where they stand. If they present candidates who vote with Republicans a whole lot of the time, they will lose again. And blaming the voters again won't change that, in fact it's likely going to anger them even more.

So instead of attacking voters, if people decide to listen and acknowledge the real concerns of DUers on this forum, there is no reason to assume things will be terrible here.

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. I fear your're right; the hatred for Hillary Clinton is already significant

For the 2008 election, people seemed to, on the whole, start out just thinking one candidate was better than the others. It was only once they'd got firmly attached to one and found their arguments weren't getting the converts they thought they would, that they descended into attacking the other Dems. In 2004, only Lieberman had pre-existing haters, and since he had no noticeable support on DU, that hardly mattered.

This time, the lines are drawn 24 months ahead. It'll get worse, because it always does.

[Jim Lane]

44. On the bright side, the GOP's situation will be far worse.

The conservative True Believers are tired of having to vote lesser-of-two-evils when the Republican nominee is a RINO, i.e., a liberal (!) like McCain or Romney. Even before this election, they were determined to nominate a real conservative this time. The Republican gains, including several Tea Party winners, will solidify their view that the path to victory in 2016 is to nominate a Palin or a Cruz (or both, in either order on the ticket).

Meanwhile, the Republican establishment is still horrified at that prospect. They'll throw money and party support behind someone more mainstream, with Jeb Bush being their first choice.

The deep-seated enmity between these two factions will far surpass anything you'll find on DU.

[applegrove]

50. Aided and stirred up by GOP sockpuppets that use third way, misoginy, white privilege

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topics as wedge issues to divide us amongst ourselves.

[leftofcool]

55. +1

[brooklynite]

51. Fortunately, what happens in DU has little in comparison with the real world...

Real candidates will announce their candidacies (almost certainly Hillary, maybe Sanders, probably not Biden or O'Malley, definitely not Sherrod Brown). They'll campaign the traditional ways, they'll largely agree on the same issues, and millions of real Democrats will choose among them.

[elleng]

52. Just what the repugs ordered.

[shenmue]

53. Yeah, I remember the shitty fund drives

It was like "Fist of the North Star," the animated one, where people yell "You must die!" and punch each other and blood flies everywhere.

[LWolf]

56. Maybe.

There's no reason to feed the frenzy; don't respond to those kinds of posts. Find more positive discussions to engage in.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

58. It makes me long for the good old days

of 2003 when we were all united against the illegal invasion of Iraq and the BFEE *sigh*