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So the President comes out strongly for Net Neutrality and the silence is deafening. (Original Post) kelliekat44 Nov 2014 OP
What do you expect? gratuitous Nov 2014 #1
Actually it has been around for sometime and is an issue many Democrats have been on the wrong side. gordianot Nov 2014 #10
Net Neutrality? vdogg Nov 2014 #16
What? The issue of net neutrality has been around for MONTHS and Democrats certainly could have... Triana Nov 2014 #19
Because it was not GOP approved to run on it. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #28
too true. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #35
Look slike your sarcasm sailed over some heads. cyberswede Nov 2014 #31
Living in the land of Nike gratuitous Nov 2014 #55
gratuitous forgot the emoticon! Triana Nov 2014 #107
It's an issue we've been fighting for for YEARS. pnwmom Nov 2014 #42
I do, indeed, see... onyourleft Nov 2014 #65
You forgot the sarcasm emoticon! n/t tech3149 Nov 2014 #66
HOORAY, but I am ticked off at my internet provider for false advertising when I up graded to 60 meg gordianot Nov 2014 #2
No way. We all know he is working secretly to screw us. {sarcasm thingie} n/t Hoyt Nov 2014 #3
Democrats cannot do anything good!!!!1! shenmue Nov 2014 #8
Kinda funny that he makes it an issue now. Had he made it an issue before the election, it might rhett o rick Nov 2014 #95
OK. I guess his comments in the 2013 State of the Union Speech did not happen. Hoyt Nov 2014 #100
Actions speak louder than words. He appointed Tom Wheeler. That's an action. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #105
One expects Commissioners to be familiar with industry, and Obama just gave him marching orders. Hoyt Nov 2014 #108
Wheeler already tried to scuttle net neutrality. Public outcry alone stopped him, not the rhett o rick Nov 2014 #113
Further clarification: He's also telling them to scrap their fast lanes plan... Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #4
There's a thread in LBN that's going strong... riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #5
Seriously. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #116
Nice but other things are so very Autumn Nov 2014 #6
Explain Tom Wheeler to me tkmorris Nov 2014 #7
He works at the pleasure of the President. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #14
You need to brush up on the meaning of an "independent agency" truebluegreen Nov 2014 #110
Only kvetching gets noticed at the new DU... SidDithers Nov 2014 #9
This is the poster that blamed LGBT voters for the election losses on Wednesday morning. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #25
Wow. Marr Nov 2014 #32
It's sad that such posters remain viable among certain segments of DU in spite of such open hate Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #40
OMG Puglover Nov 2014 #63
Take one back to the halcyon days of ponies and vipers. n/t QC Nov 2014 #67
I'm surprised the poster Puglover Nov 2014 #70
Must have gotten deleted too soon for that. n/t QC Nov 2014 #71
Ms. Plenty of Rights has posted an endorsement of this thread, of course Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #76
Of course. Puglover Nov 2014 #92
Welcome to the club! .. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #97
Whoa. That is fucked up. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #45
I had missed that. (Wow.) deurbano Nov 2014 #53
Now, now, maybe she just had "bad information"... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #74
Disgusting. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #77
One in a long litany of sins against liberalism. Scuba Nov 2014 #90
Yes in fact, saying anything positive treestar Nov 2014 #60
Hey people upthread were talking about you and your 'plenty of rights' posts Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #79
You've been called an authoritarian ass kisser? BeanMusical Nov 2014 #88
BeanMusical? Sounds like some kind of twist on VanillaRhapsody... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #98
Lol! BeanMusical Nov 2014 #120
Mmm hmm. I was going to say welcome, WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #121
Since he appointed Tom Wheeler, a lobbyist for cable companies, as head of the FCC, djean111 Nov 2014 #11
How come everyone doesn't think rationally like this? stillwaiting Nov 2014 #21
The internet should be treated like the physical superhighways Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #39
EXACTLY! staggerleem Nov 2014 #91
+2 Octafish Nov 2014 #36
This.^ historylovr Nov 2014 #38
++ n/t Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #118
I have a feeling the next 20 months or so are going to suck here on DU. Royally. Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #12
there is this thread already getting attention and recs NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #13
You have an odd definition of "silence" jeff47 Nov 2014 #15
DU needs at least 20 threads on something important these days. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #18
The OP has a few 'odd' thoughts. Here's one from Wed morning Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #26
An inconvenient truth. I pointed that out upthread as well. riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #56
I posted it almost immediately after it happened. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #117
Talk is cheap, I'll be impressed when he MAKES THEM DO IT. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #17
That's the thing. Once again, it's a great statement, but it's certainly not the *policy* yet villager Nov 2014 #23
FCC is an independent agency. truebluegreen Nov 2014 #111
If I didn't have the internet I wouldn't have much Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #20
I hear ya Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #43
Oh, hell, I talk to myself on a daily basis. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #49
I came from a similar place as you. JoeyT Nov 2014 #61
You sound like a nerdfighter azmom Nov 2014 #94
Video ... Triana Nov 2014 #22
does anyone know the timetable for the FCC to rule on this? Takket Nov 2014 #24
kick Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #27
They're too busy insisting that the U.S. sit out ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #41
Maybe some were actually posting in and reccing the other threads that were up before Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #83
If you say so. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #96
Posted by Hissyspit at 6:39 AM 42 recs. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #99
If you say so. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #102
this is what the OP you praise wrote on Wednesday morning: Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #101
That's terribly inappropriate and factually incorrect ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #103
If you say so. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #112
I say so ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #114
There were 2 OPs about this before this disgusting DU member bashing thread. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #81
The president has just shown Dems how to win, maybe. Orsino Nov 2014 #29
I oppose it, so. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #30
Waiting for the other shoe to drop zipplewrath Nov 2014 #33
Yours is the best post here. I'm already studying ballyhoo Nov 2014 #44
Praise would be premature-- especially with this president. Marr Nov 2014 #34
He was for net neutraility rocktivity Nov 2014 #37
I just heard about it 20 seconds ago. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #46
There were already two threads posted on the topic before the OP decided to bash DUers. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #78
I'm sure Jane Hamsher and Cenk will be effusive in their praise bluestateguy Nov 2014 #47
We'll be waiting a long time. blue neen Nov 2014 #64
Cenk is supportive. He's retweeting the news in his twitter timeline. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #80
What silence? nt. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #48
Another winning issue if the Democrats hadn't gone mute besides bragging about how they also opposed world wide wally Nov 2014 #50
Talk is cheap. We'll see what actually happens. He sometimes "evolves" on issue. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #51
Yeah, FCC Chair and former industry lobbyist, Wheeler, says the same thing. merrily Nov 2014 #52
We'll see. I have no faith in Obama Android3.14 Nov 2014 #54
Huh? It's all over the internet (gamespot, cnnfn, reddit, etc.). Dawgs Nov 2014 #57
Nice whine. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #58
obama appoints net neutrality opponent to the FCC - his actions belie his words nt msongs Nov 2014 #59
Well it is said talk is cheap and it is true. zeemike Nov 2014 #62
Wheeler is lying just like Obama. Hoyt Nov 2014 #68
"John Oliver’s net neutrality rant may have caused FCC site crash" WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #69
We've learned to NOT read his lips. I will wait and see how much effort... SaveOurDemocracy Nov 2014 #72
I totally oppose turning the Internet into a public utility. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #73
Only 80 recs and counting. That must mean that people don't care n/t eridani Nov 2014 #75
The President cuts the deficit in half and the silence from MSM is deafening. blm Nov 2014 #82
The President cuts unemployment in half and the silence from the MSM is deafening. blm Nov 2014 #84
The President and SecKerry's plan for ISIL is working and the MSM silence is deafening. blm Nov 2014 #85
President's Affordable Care Act HAS been successful and the silence from MSM is deafening. blm Nov 2014 #86
Bully pulpit, pretty speech!!!! JoePhilly Nov 2014 #87
He didn't do it fast enough, loud enough and he doesn't agree with me enough. pampango Nov 2014 #89
Code Pink's Medea Benjamin praised him for this on facebook. m-lekktor Nov 2014 #93
I'm happy that he came out for it. yurbud Nov 2014 #104
We're waiting to see what he TBF Nov 2014 #106
N/M. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #109
What am I, chopped liver? Hissyspit Nov 2014 #115
Uh, it's at the top of the greatest page!!! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #119
Kick...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #122

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. What do you expect?
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:49 AM
Nov 2014

It's a brand-new issue that just popped up in the last week. Nobody's had a chance to look at it and make a decision one way or the other. Even if it had been an issue, who could have used it or run on it? It wouldn't have energized or engaged any of the people who didn't vote last week, so what's the big schmeal?

gordianot

(15,767 posts)
10. Actually it has been around for sometime and is an issue many Democrats have been on the wrong side.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:56 AM
Nov 2014

Internet providers are looking for new and creative ways to screw their customers.

vdogg

(1,385 posts)
16. Net Neutrality?
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:00 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2014, 06:27 AM - Edit history (1)

This has been a huge issue for well over a year with some claiming Obama was against it all together, or was not forceful enough in his support. Their were many threads chastising him for appointing Tom Wheeler head of the FCC. That these voices are silent now is curious,I think that is what the OP was getting at.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
19. What? The issue of net neutrality has been around for MONTHS and Democrats certainly could have...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:04 PM
Nov 2014

...run on it and supported it. They CHOSE not to.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
55. Living in the land of Nike
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:28 PM
Nov 2014

I'm accustomed to hearing the "Swoosh" of things sailing over heads.

gordianot

(15,767 posts)
2. HOORAY, but I am ticked off at my internet provider for false advertising when I up graded to 60 meg
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:52 AM
Nov 2014
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
95. Kinda funny that he makes it an issue now. Had he made it an issue before the election, it might
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014

helped some Democratic candidates. If he did it BEFORE he hand picked a so-called Democrat to chair the FCC. One that seems to agree with the Conservatives about net neutrality, we might have a chance.

But now that their is little he can do, he comes out for net neutrality.

He might not be working to screw us, but if he is working to help the corps, the result will be the same.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
100. OK. I guess his comments in the 2013 State of the Union Speech did not happen.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:28 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.whitehouse.gov/net-neutrality

That is what? A year and a half ago. I suspect if we took the time to look, we'd find support for net neutrality before that. But, too many folks here wouldn't believe it, so why bother.

How many times does he have to say something; or take action, or fail to take action; etc., before the detractors and conspiracy theorists believe him?
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
105. Actions speak louder than words. He appointed Tom Wheeler. That's an action.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:07 PM
Nov 2014

That probably scuttled net neutrality. Promises are a dime a dozen. We heard a lot of promises in 2007.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
108. One expects Commissioners to be familiar with industry, and Obama just gave him marching orders.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:08 PM
Nov 2014

Sorry, I don't see some Twinky eating hacker being the best choice for this position.

Wheeler's appointment no more scuttled net neurtrality than Elizabeth Warren's appointment scuttled consumer protections -- Warren being a bankruptcy attorney and, of all things, a former Republican.

Would I be happier with someone besides Wheeler, sure. But I would have been happier with the "Rent's too high, guy" rather than Warren for consumer protection agencies. Obama can control what comes out of the FCC, this ain't a lifetime appointment.

It's sad that Obama has to do twice as much as others, to get half the credit.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
113. Wheeler already tried to scuttle net neutrality. Public outcry alone stopped him, not the
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

president. This speech by the President was empty rhetoric. It was not an ultimatum for Wheeler.

As far as Sen Warren, she has been fighting the lopsided bankruptcy laws for years and a good choice for the Consumer Protection agency. The Republicans didn't like her, unlike Wheeler. Wheeler is the chair of a committee with two real Democrats and two Republicans. Wheeler's stand agrees with the Republicans.

"It's sad that Obama has to do twice as much as others, to get half the credit."
Really? Are you talking about the Free Trade Agreements? Or his support for Fracking? Maybe he doesn't get enough credit for strengthening the Patriot Act or indefinite detention. His DOJ has taken a very hard line on medical marijuana users. Heaven help them in their pains, while looking the other way to Wall street corruption. I suppose you think he should get more credit for the pipelines cris-crossing our country.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
4. Further clarification: He's also telling them to scrap their fast lanes plan...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:54 AM
Nov 2014

And wants to reclassify Internet as a public utility.

I'm sure someone will read between the lines and tell us why it means Obama isn't as liberal as Tricky Dick, though.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
7. Explain Tom Wheeler to me
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:54 AM
Nov 2014

Further, what "silence" are you talking about? This is the 3rd thread I've seen here about it.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
14. He works at the pleasure of the President.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nov 2014

What Wheeler thinks of this doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
110. You need to brush up on the meaning of an "independent agency"
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:50 PM
Nov 2014

of which the FCC is but one example. Presidents appoint members, but may NOT remove them.

In other words, Obama doesn't have any more leverage over the FCC than you do.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. This is the poster that blamed LGBT voters for the election losses on Wednesday morning.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:21 PM
Nov 2014

"The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
40. It's sad that such posters remain viable among certain segments of DU in spite of such open hate
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:48 PM
Nov 2014

speech.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
70. I'm surprised the poster
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:24 PM
Nov 2014

that loudly and unapologetically told us, "You have enough rights." wasn't giving that stinking pile of shit a big ole rec.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
92. Of course.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:13 PM
Nov 2014

Not a surprise.

I actually recced the thread and then saw the petty nasty little dig at the end of the OP. Unreal.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
97. Welcome to the club! ..
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

Hey! Maybe our constituencies could form an alliance with the other traditionally disempowered groups of DU, and really make this place suck!

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
74. Now, now, maybe she just had "bad information"...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:37 PM
Nov 2014

like our resident former Freeper.

Seriously, shouldn't a statement like that put a member "under review" or somesuch?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
60. Yes in fact, saying anything positive
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:47 PM
Nov 2014

about the President makes you an authoritarian ass kisser! Failing to hold his feet to the fire! He's only doing the right thing here because DU held his feet to the fire!

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
98. BeanMusical? Sounds like some kind of twist on VanillaRhapsody...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:19 PM
Nov 2014

who just happens to be on time-out.

Cute name.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
120. Lol!
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 01:59 AM
Nov 2014

Sorry for my sarcasms being too subtle. I'm really not a fan of that cult and the poster I replied too sure is a butt kisser.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
11. Since he appointed Tom Wheeler, a lobbyist for cable companies, as head of the FCC,
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:57 AM
Nov 2014

I will wait to see what actually happens. It is that deeds not words thingy.
Obama also said he would revisit Nafta, and now we are getting the TPP rammed down out throats.
Deeds not words.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
21. How come everyone doesn't think rationally like this?
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:07 PM
Nov 2014

Appointing Tom Wheeler was a travesty.

We'll see what happens.

IF net neutrality is not destroyed, and IF the internet becomes a public utility and seen as such I will give Obama MASSIVE credit and be very, very, VERY happy with his actions.

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
39. The internet should be treated like the physical superhighways
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:46 PM
Nov 2014

You don't have to pay a subscription fee to a private company to drive on some roads versus others. You don't pay a company extra so that your SUV can be exempt from the speed limit while sedans and hybrids can go no higher than 50.

Ike -- REPUBLICAN and the last good one we'll ever have -- built the national highway system with a concerted PUBLIC effort. The internet is called the Information Superhighway for a reason. Let's get private companies the fuck out of the way and have this be a PUBLIC utility with equal access to all content for everyone no matter what. Your tax dollars should be an internet subscription. This is not a luxury like goobers always say when they're demonizing "welfare leeches with iPhones." The internet is a fundamental component of participating in society in the 21st century. It should be available to everyone and our taxes should pour into a pool to make it so.

Build a national fiber-optic network so that rural places can get off dialup and the suburbs can get off of lousy DSL. Then, install a national encrypted VPN network with no backdoors whatsoever so that all traffic is un-snoopable.

Our tax dollars are being wasted every day to kill people, why shouldn't they instead be used properly to connect them together?



Dwight David Eisenhower - WW2 hero, Five-Star General in the U.S. Army, suspected "communist," and the man who warned us about the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

Also, as I had said, the last good Republican. And, by the way..... not only did he authorize the creation of the physical highway system, but was actually one of the fathers of the Internet. No surprise there.

Among his enduring innovations, he launched the Interstate Highway System and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which led to the internet, among many invaluable outputs.
 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
91. EXACTLY!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:12 PM
Nov 2014

As an engineer who has made a 40-year career in electronic communications, I can say with some authority that the Appeals Court (see 3rd paragraph of yahoo article linked in OP), is DEAD WRONG, technically speaking.

The commodity that we pay our communications service providers for, be they Telephone, Cable TV, or Internet providers, is in all 3 cases identical - we pay for access to and bandwidth on their network infrastructure. If you really think about it, it's not all that different from what we pay water and/or power companies for - and they are ALSO regulated as common carriers.

If you want more TELEPHONE bandwidth (i. e., the ability to have several phone conversations going on simultaneously,) you add more phone lines, and the phone company charges you for the extra lines. But they do not prioritize a call from Lockheed to the Air Force about a deal for a new plane above a call from you to Aunt Fanny to ask about Uncle Charlie's gout. Likewise, if I want more bandwidth from my DSL, I can pay my provider extra for a second incoming line to my router. But my blog post should get out to the universe with the same priority as any message from the Republican Senate Campaign Committee to the "base".

NRaleighLiberal

(61,796 posts)
18. DU needs at least 20 threads on something important these days.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:04 PM
Nov 2014

otherwise it is clearly unimportant.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. The OP has a few 'odd' thoughts. Here's one from Wed morning
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:23 PM
Nov 2014

"The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45

Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
117. I posted it almost immediately after it happened.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 04:54 AM
Nov 2014

It started getting plenty of recs.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
23. That's the thing. Once again, it's a great statement, but it's certainly not the *policy* yet
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:14 PM
Nov 2014

Let's hope that Obama's pro-corporate appointees are listening...

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
111. FCC is an independent agency.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:53 PM
Nov 2014

By definition, the President cannot make them do anything. He can appoint, but not remove, members. Which makes this talk even cheaper.

Baitball Blogger

(52,128 posts)
20. If I didn't have the internet I wouldn't have much
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:06 PM
Nov 2014

human interaction at all.

See, that's what happens when the whole country goes crazy and lets right-wingers define our reality.

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
43. I hear ya
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:55 PM
Nov 2014

I don't really have any in-person friends because people pick on me at school, calling me geek and making fun of my glasses and my interest in computers. My family members are certifiable: my father drinks, my brother has big-time 'roid rage and I have other relatives who are hoarders and senile elderly. I barely have time to talk to my mother, or should I say she barely has time to talk to me because she is so busy with so many things (that other people could take care of but delegate responsibilities so they can do nothing).

Nobody I know reads and wants to talk about books; they only want to talk about bullshit on the Kardashians or Honey Booboo. Nobody listens to the same music I do, at least nobody my age anyway. I can't talk about things I learned in class (besides having learned I'm an ugly geek), because nobody understands what I'm talking about and anything other than the weather gets me referred to as a snob. I'm in the minority in my area even going to college in the first place. Most people who live around me are high-school dropouts and immigrants for whom the "American dream" is a foreign phrase in the abstract.

The only place I really interact now is on DU and some other forums (lol, Pirate Bay). I used to be on HuffPost, but they switched to Failbook for comments, and I absolutely refuse to bother with mainstream social media.

If Net Neutrality dies and the Internet gets destroyed, I'll become a complete recluse and probably end up going insane. I kid you not. There is absolutely NO ONE I have to talk to in my day-to-day life.

I've already started slipping sometimes into talking to myself.

Baitball Blogger

(52,128 posts)
49. Oh, hell, I talk to myself on a daily basis.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:18 PM
Nov 2014

But, then again, most of the time I'm working on character dialogue. I told my hubby that I wish they would have come up with those blue tooth ear attachments at least ten years earlier so I could go to the grocery store without having to see mothers pull their young children out of the aisles I was on. (Okay, it only happened once.)

Knowledge is a curse and a gift. Lucky are those who can acquire it and be surrounded by the people who are on the same journey.

For some God awful reason, that's not us. I feel like we got caught in a cusp of something. Like we're in a transition period in human history. Maybe it's always been that way and the luckiest of people are those who have found shelter in academic circles or families who provide them with some sort of stability.

We just have the internet, which I am grateful for. A lot of what I write about deals with what I thought American life was going to be like, and how it actually turned out.

Sounds like you're young enough to consider making a move where you might come in contact with people that share your interests. The young are always tuned to progressive ideas and there is still a window of time for you to make those connections.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
61. I came from a similar place as you.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:51 PM
Nov 2014

Rural Alabama, while being a fan of death metal, non-religious, white-enough-to-pass-but-not-white-enough, and an absolute nerd. So I get where you're coming from. If it makes you feel any better, your life is probably going to get a lot better not too much further down the road. You're going to look back on these years and...well...not laugh because it's not really funny, but you'll be glad to be out of there. You will probably laugh in the face of anyone that suggests school are the best years of your life.

I still talk to myself a lot, which is a pain, because having a conversation with that guy is terrible. He's an opinionated jerk that would benefit from a smack in the mouth.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
94. You sound like a nerdfighter
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:20 PM
Nov 2014

We're Nerdfighters. We fight against suck....we fight for awesome. We fight using our brains, our hearts, our calculators and our trombones.


http://nerdfighters.ning.com

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
27. kick
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:25 PM
Nov 2014

There are more than a few notable DUers absent from this thread...I wonder why that is?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
41. They're too busy insisting that the U.S. sit out ...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:49 PM
Nov 2014

negotiating a trade deal with some of the U.S.'s biggest trade partners.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
83. Maybe some were actually posting in and reccing the other threads that were up before
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

this DU bashing post.

What a pathetic OP and 35 recs on a complete and utter lie.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
99. Posted by Hissyspit at 6:39 AM 42 recs.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:21 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014940848

Ykcutnek's OP was up a few minutes after this one and it has 92 recs. This OP is a lie and a disgusting attempt to smear DUers.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
101. this is what the OP you praise wrote on Wednesday morning:
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:42 PM
Nov 2014

"The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45

Not a thread where all would feel welcomed.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
103. That's terribly inappropriate and factually incorrect ...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:03 PM
Nov 2014

But my comment "praised", neither the OP nor the writer of the OP.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
114. I say so ...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:00 PM
Nov 2014

My only comment was related to the lack of posts from folks that have been saying that President Obama opposes(d) Net Neutrality. This does not appear to be the case.

Now ... regarding the anti-LGBT sentiment of the person that posted this thread ... he/she is flat out wrong.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
81. There were 2 OPs about this before this disgusting DU member bashing thread.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:52 PM
Nov 2014

But let's not let facts get in the way of a smear, eh?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
29. The president has just shown Dems how to win, maybe.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:32 PM
Nov 2014

It's not exactly a sexy issue, this net neutrality. C'mon, Mr. President--how about demanding jobs, a federal minimum wage increase, lowering of the SS age. How about unemployment, food stamps, or Welfare?

This call for net neutrality could be a model for Dems nationwide to apply to other issues more important to more Americans.

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
33. Waiting for the other shoe to drop
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:37 PM
Nov 2014

With Obama, I've learned to pay attention less to what he says, and more to what actually happens.

He mentioned the PO twice during speeches to congress, we saw how that turned out.

He was going to close Gitmo, then we found out he only wanted to move it.

He was against mandates before he was for them.

He was going to be out of Afghanistan, and then we found out that meant "all but 10K troops".

We'll see what actually happens. Most people who are passionate about this issues suspect it won't be what they want, despite anything he says.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
44. Yours is the best post here. I'm already studying
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:55 PM
Nov 2014

how to combat net non-neutrality, which now I figure is a done-deal. When it goes non-neutral, I may just use the internet for investments. Big Brother will begin to come after those non-plussed with certain forum comments.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
34. Praise would be premature-- especially with this president.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:41 PM
Nov 2014

He tends to achieve unpopular goals by making them inevitable through a clever use of bureaucracy, while taking a very popular stance in public.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
46. I just heard about it 20 seconds ago.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:07 PM
Nov 2014

So now I can become 'unsilent' and say... this is good, and could have been electorally useful if it had happened a couple of weeks ago.

blue neen

(12,465 posts)
64. We'll be waiting a long time.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

Jane may be conferring with Grover to find her very best negativity spin lines. We won't hear anything good from them about this President's actions.

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
50. Another winning issue if the Democrats hadn't gone mute besides bragging about how they also opposed
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:18 PM
Nov 2014

the Prez

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. Yeah, FCC Chair and former industry lobbyist, Wheeler, says the same thing.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:22 PM
Nov 2014

Apparently, "net neutrality" means something different in DC than it means to most of us.

Net neutrality

In late April 2014, the contours of a document leaked that indicated that Wheeler's FCC would consider promulgating rules allowing Internet service providers (ISPs) to violate net neutrality principles by making it easier for Internet users to access certain content — whose owners paid fees to the ISPs (including cable companies and wireless ISPs) — and harder to access other content,[11] thus undermining the traditional open architecture of the Internet. These plans have received substantial backlash from activists, the mainstream press, and some other FCC commissioners.[12][13] In May 2014, over 100 internet companies including Google, Microsoft, eBay, and Facebook signed a letter to Wheeler voicing their disagreement with his plans, saying they represented a "grave threat to the Internet".[14] As of May 15, 2014, the fast lane bill passed voting with a 3/2 vote. It will now be open to public discussion that ends July 2014.[15]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wheeler

I've learned not to applaud words from D.C. I wait for actions and results.

BTW, where was the public utility advice from the President when the FCC was ignoring advice from the SCOTUS stating the FCC had to re-classify as a public utility if it wanted to regulate internet providers heavily? The FCC lost a later case in federal court because it flat out ignored the SCOTUS. Doesn't help that the FCC chair and most FCC attorneys are straight out of the telecommunications industry.
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
54. We'll see. I have no faith in Obama
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:26 PM
Nov 2014

The past is a good indicator of how these things turn out, and with Mr. Obama at the helm, it will either fritter away to nothing or end up as another give-away to corporate interests.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
62. Well it is said talk is cheap and it is true.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:57 PM
Nov 2014

Obama came out strongly against Gitmo too, but it is still there and will probably outlast him and his words.

If all you want is words then you got them.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
69. "John Oliver’s net neutrality rant may have caused FCC site crash"
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:22 PM
Nov 2014
“The guy who used to run the cable industry’s lobbying arm is now running the agency tasked with regulating it,” Oliver said. “That is the equivalent of needing a babysitter and hiring a dingo. … With the fact that they are practically overseeing their own oversight, it is hardly surprising that cable companies are basically monopolies now. A federal study found that 96 percent of the population had access to two or fewer cable broadband providers. It’s almost at if they’ve agreed to stay out of each other’s way, like drug cartels.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/04/john-olivers-net-neutrality-rant-may-have-caused-fcc-site-crash/


Back in JUNE. An issue particularly important to all those non-voting Millennials. Seriously, WHO is advising Obama? He should have "come out strongly" BEFORE the election.

SaveOurDemocracy

(4,565 posts)
72. We've learned to NOT read his lips. I will wait and see how much effort...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

... follows to make it happen before I call in the band.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
73. I totally oppose turning the Internet into a public utility.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:30 PM
Nov 2014

So, because I can't say anything nice, well you get the picture.

Making it a public utility puts it under the thumb of whichever liars are in control of Congress at any given moment.

blm

(114,543 posts)
85. The President and SecKerry's plan for ISIL is working and the MSM silence is deafening.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

.

blm

(114,543 posts)
86. President's Affordable Care Act HAS been successful and the silence from MSM is deafening.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:56 PM
Nov 2014

.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
93. Code Pink's Medea Benjamin praised him for this on facebook.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:18 PM
Nov 2014

her post just came through my newsfeed. She is often a critic, etc.

TBF

(36,348 posts)
106. We're waiting to see what he
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:10 PM
Nov 2014

actually DOES as opposed to what he just says - we also know he is in favor of TPP which brings up some questions.

Here is an article from earlier this year to bring you up to speed on why we have concerns:


Say What? The End of Net Neutrality and a Globalization Treaty Threaten Minority Speech
by Sean Howell and Peter Ian Cummings • 13 February 2014


Few could argue that the Internet hasn’t revolutionized gay life. A generation came out on the web, and the freedom to launch a website adhering to one’s own standards of quality and authenticity has always gone along with that. That’s what both of us did, creating the social networks XY.com and Hornet. (In fact, equal Internet access may be how you found this article, and the Humanist for that matter.)

All this freedom could be coming to an end, unless the Federal Trade Commission and the Obama administration strongly change course to defend free speech. Otherwise, independent voices on the Internet could soon be entirely replaced by corporate websites or wealthy subsidiaries of AOL, Amazon, and Facebook; or silenced altogether.

Absent strong government response, a cocktail of two repressive policy changes could push controversial sites off the Internet. The first is the loss of net neutrality.

In January the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, in Verizon v. FCC, struck down the FCC’s Open Internet Order, which had required Internet service providers (ISPs) to carry all traffic, and carry it at the same speed, without extra charge to the provider. For example, under the stricken rule, TheHumanist.com would be delivered at the same speed as a well-funded site like the AOL-owned Huffington Post ...

More here: http://thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2014/up-front/say-what

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