The third way have already decided whom we are purging

[hootinholler]

You might wonder who. You might call for a list, which can't be provided. Mainly because it's not politicians we are purging.

Who then? The young voter and the poor.

I can hear the cries of bullshit, now, but if you really stop and think for a moment, that is who isn't coming to us.

As long as our politicians allow banksters to go unpunished.

As long as we don't fight to fix a rigged system that keeps the poor in poverty.

As long as we don't fight for making it easier to vote.

As long as we allow insurance companies to rape us financially to pay for a part of required health care.

As long as we allow the government to continue to profit off of student loans.

As long as our tax code is structured to funnel the money to the top.

As long as we continue to militarize the police.

As long as prisons are profit centers for private concerns.

As long as we continue to spy on our population wholesale.

As long as we keep accepting a slice of bread instead of half of a loaf (forget the whole loaf).

As long as our message is we are slightly less evil than those other guys.

We will continue to languish.

One of two things will happen in the next ten years. Either the party will go back to its FDR inspired roots and start fighting to make an actual difference in the lives of the poor which will shore up the middle class, or a new party will come along and capture the demographic.

[Autumn]

1. Nature abhors a vacuum. That vacuum the democratic party has created will be filled.

It remains to be seen who will fill it. Recommended

[hootinholler]

4. 2 hours with original title

let's see what this change brings.

[CrispyQ]

2. And the numbers of poor keep growing.

I see an opportunity for millions of new voters, but alas, you must have polices that appeal to those voters. I said in another thread that I'm glad the dems (mostly) support equal/civil/gay rights but if you live on the streets, how much do those things matter? I believe you cannot have social justice without economic justice & the dems need to learn that.

I predict in the next 10 years SCOTUS will grant corporations the right to vote; one vote per share of stock. Then the corpos won't even have to buy an election.

I'm joking, but honestly, seeing where this country has gone since Reagan, it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

[sabrina 1]

6. I no longer believe they are pro women, pro minorities, pro Gay, other than to use these issues

to get creds as democrats when in fact they are for everything economically, and our Foreign Policies eg, that harms everyone.

The party isn't listening to the voters, and if they continue to ignore them when they tell them what is most important to them, they may whine about it all they like, but it will be their fault when they lose even more elections.

[hootinholler]

17. I have to agree Sabrina.

Most are pro bank accounts first.

[Doctor_J]

3. The party movers & shakers seem to think that

1. "We're pro choice so everything else is OK", and

2. "Everything is their fault - we can do nothing to stop them"

should motivate voters.

rec

[Avalux]

5. The status quo needs to change. We need a NEW way that's inclusive of everyone.

The system is completely off the rails and if we continue to use it, eventually we'll go over the cliff. Has to change. I think Obama had big plans for that change, unfortunately the American people didn't want to help him out. One man can't do it alone. It will require everyone.

[Hestia]

7. Howard Dean had the way to get voters to the booth but Obama fired him first thing, so not sure

where you are getting that Obama even cares about our votes. He never has to run again and I am sure has some high paying "consultant" desk waiting to be manned by him the day he flies out of the WH. Maybe *then* we'll see the real Obama but I ain't planning on it.

And fuck that "didn't want to help him out" shit. I went to a OFA meeting the first couple of months after he was elected and nobody from that organization even wanted to hear what anyone in the meeting had to say. They wanted to dictate to us how the cow ate the cabbage, all with their hands out of course.

It still stuns me to this day that my DH & I sent several thousand dollars to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign (at a time when we didn't have the spare cash but we figured it out and made do) and not ONE MF Democratic party member from this state has contacted me/us about jack. That's NOT how to win campaigns - turning your nose up at donors. About the only cool thing that came out of it is that we received the 2004 CD of musicians for Obama. Still listen to it, it's that cool.

One thing everyone leaves out of their lists - taking back the voting tabulation software. How in the hell "proprietary" voting software is STILL around is beyond me. That should be the first thing on everyone's list. Then we'll see who *really* won because I don't believe they (GOP) did. I personally feel that they had so many people remotely flipping votes that it really is noticeable but no one is commenting on it.

[CrispyQ]

8. I wrote to Ken Salazar about his disappointing votes on Gonzales and Rice

& I got a canned response with a contribution request & a prepaid envelope.

I spent a lot of money in '04 on Kerry & to hear him concede the very next day. I was sick. Saved my money for local elections after that & now, no money at all. There's just too much dark money for my little squeak to make a difference.

[hootinholler]

12. I saw the claim yesterday that the good Dr is going to be working for Hillary

I haven't heard it from him, but I had to cock an eyebrow. I thought he understood the people better than that.

[Avalux]

14. You are waaaay out there in the weeds, mired in specificity, and really really pissed off.

Can't get where we need to be from where you are.

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. Howard Dean also gave us those "blue dogs" that liberals love to hate.

[Octafish]

9. You forgot ''warmongers!''

IAS: Thank you for putting it into words, hootinholler! KRB.

[hootinholler]

11. I'd be happy to purge warmongers

Either people don't like the message or I've missed the mark.



Thanks for giving a shit, Der Fishie!

[Octafish]

24. The local branch seems to have thinned the herd in the Democratic Wing.

Otherwise, they'd notice how wars without end for profits without fail is not just business as usual -- it is evil.

Thank you and H2O Man for kindly reminding me to stay focused on what matters and avoid the time wasters.

[rhett o rick]

10. k & r. Thanks for posting. nm

[BlindTiresias]

13. Lol if you think another party will come

Sorry, it is just right wing domination from here on out and guess what, the basic structure and constitution of the United States supports it 100%

[hootinholler]

15. LOL right back at ya

We're already seeing it with the Greens. This is the second election in a row I've seen Green party candidates.

The people I've mentioned above will not remain quiet for much longer. Ignore that and laugh it off at your peril.

[BlindTiresias]

16. Yeah what are they gonna do?

More impotent Occupies or are they gonna vote for more right wing dems? Lol.

I am speaking as the member of the left here, we are finished in this country.

Maybe we can get abused more by orthodox dems for "Pulling away the vote from Hillary!!11"

The left needs to start making escape plans imo.

[noiretextatique]

18. i predict a big resurgence of the left

as both parties continue to ignore the needs of most americans, the vacuum will be filled. and not with koched-up teabaggers, or gutless third way quislings.

[BlindTiresias]

22. Maybe

But as people have correctly noted the federal republic we have is not conducive to that kind of change and has a strong tendency to snap back to what it was made to do, which is form a stable plutocracy. That really limits the chances of success if we are super attached to the constitution and federalism.

[noiretextatique]

25. it will take people in the streets, as in other countries

massive demonstrations and social unrest, replete with militarized killings ala kent state. that is coming...

[Maedhros]

55. As they take away all the non-violent means for redressing grievances,

they leave only the more extreme methods. It is unfortunate, but it seems to be what they want.

[noiretextatique]

56. they are really pushing the people into a corner

so they should not be shocked when some starting swinging.

[Maedhros]

57. I think they want violent unrest.

That will let them label grass-roots political opposition as "terrorists," and they can then beat/shoot/lock up dissonant voices as they see fit.

[noiretextatique]

58. you may be right eom

[99Forever]

19. K&R

[Egnever]

20. LOL what a bunch of crap

The young are voting in the same numbers they always have. The only one to bring them out in greater numbers is that third way president Obama.

Your meme is garbage.

[sabrina 1]

21. Really? Oh they did come out in 2008 full of hope as we all were. But that was the last time. They

have been out on the streets, organizing Occupy Wall St eg, because they are informed, they know what is going on. The brutal crackdown on their peaceful movement only confirmed for them that they were right.

Dems have lost the youth vote and the Independent vote. Two elections now where the young and Independents felt that no one represented them.

They DID however vote for Progressive issues on their local ballots.

[wyldwolf]

23. Fabrication unless you have... evidence?

LOL, sorry, what was I thinking?

[bhikkhu]

27. Third wayer's are under every rock, behind every bush

they've infiltrated the government, our schools, even our military!

[wyldwolf]

29. even if that were true, it's irrelevant to the question.

[bhikkhu]

30. Humorous reference to McCarthyism

:whoosh:

[wyldwolf]

31. says the person who responds to calls for evidence with paranoid delusions.

:whoosh:

[AgingAmerican]

32. If it doesn't exist

Why do you expend so much effort defending it?

[wyldwolf]

33. RUN! The boogeyman is under every rock!!! It's under the bed!!!

[sibelian]

37. It even has it's own wikipedia article!!! LAWLZ AT THE PARANOID

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

[wyldwolf]

38. So does bigfoot

[AgingAmerican]

45. So the existence of the Third Way® is now a 'Myth' like bigfoot?

[wyldwolf]

49. no one has denied the existence of Third Way

We're just seeking evidence that the third way has 'already decided who to purge'

For a clue to your immense confusion, reread the OP.

[AgingAmerican]

51. Except you

In your previous post.

Ever heard the term marginalization, or does that also bring out trollish snark like everything else presented to you?

[wyldwolf]

52. now you have two things to provide evidence for, but you won't because you can't

1. The Thirdway has decided who to purge.
2. I've claimed they don't exist.

[AgingAmerican]

43. So you drain all your emotional energies defending a 'boogeyman'?

Um, ok...

[wyldwolf]

44. No, you drain all your emotional energies trying to purge them.

[Rex]

36. What else would you expect him to do?

Not like he can actually carry on a real conversation.

[bhikkhu]

34. All the evidence needed to be labeled a "commie" was desire for better working conditions

and fair treatment.

All the evidence needed to be labeled a "third wayer" is desire for a healthy economy, which in the US (and especially in DC, where the tax code resides) requires listening to and often working with corporate concerns. Obama was doomed with the label when he inherited a wrecked economy.

No snark intended, just drawing a parallel.

[wyldwolf]

35. So what you're saying is the 'progressive' fear of 'Third Way' is like McCarthy's fear of commies.

Completely void of evidence.

PURGE!1!!1!

[bhikkhu]

48. There is an abundance of evidence in both cases

...and that's the problem. One could be defined as a communist based upon normal human feelings, and one can be defined as a third wayer based on following the exigencies of politics. The "third way" is simply a path of compromise between two opposed parties. That a necessity of government where any kind of diversity exists.

[wyldwolf]

50. getting evidence from 'progressives' is like pulling teeth. Look at the OP again

Where's the evidence?

[Ken Burch]

65. No one owes you "evidence". You don't get to act as judge and jury here.

You're simply one person expressing one opinion.

[wyldwolf]

66. Interesting you would use court room terminology to deny the need for evidence.

I guess it's just the 'prooogreeesiiive' way.

[Ken Burch]

67. If you're using the term "evidence", it implies that you've assigned yourself a jurisprudential

or prosecutorial role in this thread(as you usually do).

We all know you'd reject any evidence he provided, anyway, no matter what it was.

This is just your standard derailment tactic.

[wyldwolf]

68. Evidence is a dictionary word. Usage isn't dependent on 'jurisprudential'

If it was you would not have used it here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024797902

[Ken Burch]

69. Every word is a dictionary word.

And it was appropriate to use "evidence" there because that was about what even you would now have to admit was a baseless slur against a progressive hero.

No individual is being accused of anything in this OP, by contrast. No person is being slandered.

[randome]

47. They're here! They're there! They're everywhere!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

[sibelian]

39. You were thinking:

"I have absolutely GOT to put something on this website that has at least the appearance of an alternative to this narrative NOW. However content free, however asinine, however far beyond my own capacity it is to counter this stuff, however unlikely it is to have even the smallest influence I have GOT to make sure that it looks like someone somewhere doesn't buy into it. Shit, shit, shit."

[wyldwolf]

40. ... that 'progressives' love to make claims and then stall when asked for evidence. Yep! Exactly!

[sibelian]

41. Evidence?

Why would anyone living in any westernised democracy under the influence of bipartisan austerity, worldwide spying networks that the Stasi would drool at, levels of media manipulation that would make Goebbels blush and a global torture network covered up by all current Western political parties have any expectation of my bringing "evidence" to YOU? Your only option to is flatly deny everything. You're morally and spiritually identical to that republican fuckwit that decided he and his gang were going "make" reality while everyone else studied it.

Continue at your most "skeptical" pace, by all means.

[wyldwolf]

42. It's a foreign concept to you, we realize.

[sibelian]

62. Hmmmm, fair's fair.

How about you give me evidence that the English language is written down in the Roman orthography first?

[wyldwolf]

63. I've not made that claim.

When I DO make that claim, I'll provide links and reference material.

[Odin2005]

61. The DLC spin machine has arrived.

[wyldwolf]

64. The 'proooogreeessive" dodge machine has arrived.

[unrepentant progress]

26. FDR inspired roots?

Wow. I greatly admire FDR, but the roots of the Democratic Party are far older, and for a good long time far uglier. FDR-LBJ is pretty much an anomalous period in the history of the Democratic Party. Yeah, it may be an ideal we aspire to (although I question whether many Democrats do), but FDR style liberalism sure ain't the roots of this party.

[Thinkingabout]

28. The Third wayers votes, the Democrats may not have won positions but

We can now complain. If you did not vote who are you going to tell.

[JRLeft]

46. We have 2 choices, take over the party or start a new one.

[MissDeeds]

53. I say we purge the Third Way

K&R

[hifiguy]

59. Gotta give this a K&R for truth, hoot.

[Odin2005]

60. Fine, we'll just head over to Socialist Alternative.