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(37,549 posts)all to the first use of profanity.
But the gay slur used against the judge was deserving of time. And the judge was extremely patient. The continued misbehavior?
Yeah....120 days, served concurrently with the no bond, is about right.
He could probably get it cut if he sobers up and writes a letter of apology to the judge.
Logical
(22,457 posts)MattBaggins
(7,894 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)as I noted, most judges will cut a contempt sentence with a sincere apology.
A defendant she will not show the court respect will probably not show the public defender respect.... as an attorney who has been frightened by clients, even assaulted by clients, and yet still maintains faith in the justice system, it is not I who is part of the problem.
Who are you to judge me? I have stoid at the bar of the court advocating for the rights of those who are dispossessed. What do you do?
rug
(82,333 posts)There is no sentence to run in concurrent with.
Assuming, which you did, that he will be convicted on the open charge, it will be the decision of the judge who imposes that sentence whether that will run concurrent with these contempt sentences.
I highly doubt the judge punished him because it was a homophobic slur. He punished him because he dissed him.
These video arraignments are bad enough without some jackass in a black robe thumping his chest.
Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And yes, it was fair.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)The rocket scientist should have kept his mouth shut and let his attorney do the talking.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)Impulse control problems it seems...
dilby
(2,273 posts)He deserved it.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)People actually need to be TOLD not to curse at the judge???
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So it kind of had the desired effect.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)The judge did exactly what is needed to maintain decorum in his courtroom.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So I strongly suspect that 2 weeks would indeed not have worked.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)..I do know this: Why in the hell do the taxpayers have to pay for this guys room and board because he's drunk and had a thinking problem, while in court. He was gonna' get 60 days anyway..I don't want to pay for his "Manners".
If he was homeless, I'd be in a more caring mood.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)the length of the sentence was based on TWO infractions - he should have figured that out after the first
no sympathy from me - that judge gets my vote
Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)Twice?
KinMd
(966 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)Maybe next time he will show a little respect or at a minimum keep his stupid mouth shut when he is standing in front of the Judge. Most of the Judges I have had interaction with were pretty fair and even helped explain the law to people, they are not cops, they don't take sides.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Locking people in cages should only be done to protect the public, and calling the judge names is not harmful to the public.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)This moron's conduct would undermine that respect if the judge did not respond appropriately.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Law is violence and paperwork, and this violence and paperwork isn't always being used to protect us. In fact, this violence and paperwork is often used against us. Institutional racism, homelessness, hunger, and the highest incarceration rates in the world is what our laws have given us, amongst some beneficial things as well.
We should have absolutely no respect for the law, and instead lay our respect on humanity. People above law. People above tradition.
Law is a fantastic servant, but a terrible master.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)... and instead lay our respect on humanity. People above law. People above tradition." Sounds great, but it's a recipe for anarchy
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If you read what they have written in this thread, it is clear they are not advocating a position that is consistent with anarchy in any way. It is pretty clear. It is just easier for you to throw out "anarchy" and not actually debate. It is an attempt to label them with a label that doesn't fit. Pretty bad technique.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Sorry, but where there is no respect for the law, you have anarchy.
As for the thread as a whole, calling a judge a "cocksucker" is very disrespectful of the law (and pretty stupid). I have no sympathy for him.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I would like to think most people understand moderation. I want a strong, socialist government, but I also want it to be as nonviolent as possible. The US locks up far too many people, in my opinion.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I do think you bring it a little further than I would but overall our thoughts are in the same direction. The changes we would like to see are huge. Far too many people are in jail who pose no threat to anyone. It is awful and takes away opportunity because of mistakes.<- Not the best wording but it gets my point across. Mistake is such a relevant term.
I didn't understand the anarchist label being put on you by the other poster. A couple of things you wrote were not in line with anarchy so I felt it was just a way to label you in order to shut down debate. It happens all too often and I have been guilty of it myself. It is easier than thinking.
"The US locks up far too many people, in my opinion."
I would like to think a majority agree with your opinion. I do question that when I read some of the things here. I often see people very gleeful over long sentences of non-violent offenders. The cheering of a four month sentence for mouthing off to a judge kind of let me know where my thoughts stand in reference to progressives around me on this topic.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)some people have a hard time viewing law as a tool, rather than an absolute.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)This doesn't require anarchy, but it may require a moderate view of law. When asked, most people on DU admit to being criminals, and I don't believe they need to be subjected to violence and neither do they. So many people, at least here and at least for themselves, want a moderate view of law, as opposed to the two extremes of anarchy and law as highest ideal.
The situation in the video was even tamer than the crimes of many DUers (drugs and piracy), and I don't think being peaceful when someone mutters an insult as they walk away from a judge will lead to the downfall of the US government. If that is all it takes, then the US is doomed anyway, and we might as well be peaceful in our final days.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)"We should have absolutely no respect for the law..." were your words. That is the essence of anarchy.
We have a very different view as to the proper place for the law in our society. You're OK with calling a judge a cocksucker and I'm not. I don't think we are going to find any common ground.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I just don't think the behavior requires violence. I believe words should be used against words.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Was the law against the public interest in the hearing when this particular case took place? If not, what's the precise relevance of that sentiment?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Should we use violence against those who call people names? I don't think so, but I am definitely in the minority on that.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)respect for the law.
How about respect for one's self.
Respect for other people.
Unless the guy has Tourette's or something, he's got no excuse for acting like an asshole in a place that other people respect.
I would say the same thing about anyone acting like an asshole in church, even though I'm an atheist.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)the minister a bad name while he or she walked out of the church?
Logical
(22,457 posts)need some examples of rulings that really make the legal system look bad?
You make me laugh.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)In my opinion that did make him a danger to the public.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)There is a reason we allow Judges to put people in contempt of court and it's to keep our court systems from looking like complete Anarchy.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)He wasn't interfering with our punishment system in anyway.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... and some would consider that harm.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)and think there should be some form of repercussion, locking him in a cage for 120 days is more of a reflection of society than what he did. We need to stop this lust for locking people up. It really is disturbing. I don't get the lust some have for this form of punishment. This 120 days was only for his courtroom behavior, which was bad, but it doesn't justify a jail cell for four months. How about using one brain cell and coming up with a different solution for him, jail won't make him a better person.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)as an alternative to jail?
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)He can then come back the next day and try again. Repeat as needed. 120 days off the bat is fucking ridiculous.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So obviously 60 days was too short. And since he didn't do it a third time, I guess 120 days was long enough.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Also a safe bet that he's been incarcerated before.
He's a hothead.
I can easily see this guy pulling a knife on someone.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not that difficult of a thought exercise.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)After all, he is no longer a threat to the public.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I think his assets should have been confiscated and used to help repay his victims.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and decide not to attempt to perpetrate similar scams, which would cause new victims to suffer losses.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)It takes prison terms to really concentrate these people's minds.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)with the antics. Freak got what he deserved. Unless the judge addresses you, keep quiet and let your lawyer do the talking.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)His 1st amendment rights were violated...
But in all serious he shouldn't get jail time for insulting a judge.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)120 days seems appropriate
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Judges aren't god or even my mom. Ad I swore in front of my mom all the time and don;t give a fuck what god thinks...
Not my grandma though.
The knife thing though, yeah that needs locking up. But nobody should be locked up for name-calling. Fuck you, judge.
Old Nick
(468 posts)Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Judges typically have much discretion in deciding whom to hold in contempt and the type of contempt. Those held in contempt can include parties to a proceeding, attorneys, witnesses, jurors, people in or around a proceeding, and officers or staff of the court itself.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/criminal-contempt-of-court.html#sthash.lE5UDGH9.dpuf
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)I would have to wonder what company runs that counties for profit prison.
Sad, isn't it.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)does it mean that companies like Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) do not see enough profit in it. Yet.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)County jails have a very transient population. Prisons have a pretty stable population. Jails, on a per-person basis, are probably very costly to operate. I don't have any figures, just a guess.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)The judge needs to change his ways and grow a thicker skin.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)the Judge?
Iggo
(47,489 posts)Or 60 days for the knife and another 60 days for being rude?
Or something else?
(I'm at work and I didn't watch the video.)
Oktober
(1,488 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and makes me respect the court less when I see dumb shit like that.
A couple hours I could see. Maybe even a day to cool off if the guy was belligerent and drunk and a danger and needed cooling off time but 120 days for an insult is abusing power in my opinion.
dilby
(2,273 posts)which the Judge ignored, then he called the Judge a cock sucker and got 60 days, then he proceeded to call more names and got another 60 days. Finally he listened to his lawyer and shut the fuck up.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)lpbk2713
(42,696 posts)It's the judge's own little domain. And as long as he stays within certain guidelines
and doesn't get too extreme he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)I think the sentence is a bit extreme.
I've seen assaults and battery get less time.
But I'm not going to hold a candle light vigil for this dbag either.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)It's not hard. Just shut the fuck up, and nothing bad will happen. Only an idiot would mouth off to a judge.
IADEMO2004
(5,538 posts)Dumb ass said it in a court room, our court room, our laws, our judge. You can't go after someone with a knife and piss and moan when you called on it. We have decided going after people with a knife is unacceptable and have laws to prohibit that behavior and dumb ass needs a time-out.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I appreciate a judge acting like an adult - he would get my vote
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I don't think any jail time should be served for cursing, but some folks need to learn about respect and how to behave.
I wouldn't mind some serious volunteer hours, at a hospice, or hospital or the VA for this dude.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)Not sure I would consider anything that would put him in the presence of vulnerable people, seeing as he has a bit of difficulty controlling himself.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)his life and his freedom by being surrounded by folks in a less fortunate situation.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)The kid's a punk. Even 120 days probably won't sink in that his language and behavior were inappropriate.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)In the courtroom, the judge gets to have the final say about what is and isn't fair. And this guy was certainly old enough to know that. And c'mon! If this idiot didn't get the message when Hizhonner gave him the first 60 days, he deserves the additional 60 just for his monumental stupidity and/or arrogance.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So I don't know why you keep claiming that 2 weeks would have been appropriate.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)He earned it. He's also accused of using a knife in a crime.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Then again I've seen a kid manage to get his 90 day suspended jail sentence for DUI sentence un-suspended because he could not shut up for the 10 minutes it took to process him into the alcohol harm reduction program. Not sitting through the program, mind you, just having the social worker (or whoever that was) sign him up for it.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)It's a ludicrous overreaction and it would only be acceptable in the incarceration capital of the world.
A more appropriate response by the judge would be to ask him to leave the courtroom until he can behave. At maximum a NIGHT in jail to let him think it over.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)The guy practically asked for it.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)and not receive any jail time and/or less time?
WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)But I don't think we should be locking *anyone* up unless they're a danger to society. We need to find better ways to deal with non-violent offenses than to put people in jail.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Creating criminals from people who made a simple, relatively harmless mistake.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously. Don't call the judge you are facing a cock. I didn't realize that was obscure doctrine.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)"Don't break the law" isn't a response to the problem of mass incarceration, nor does it accomplish much here.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The fact that he can't avoid calling the judge he is facing a cock indicates to me he has some serious impulse control problems, and also makes me more likely to believe the initial charge against him.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)with the absurdity of the jail time he was given for such an offense.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)When a defendant is brought before the Court, he is guaranteed due process and a lot of rights. Notice, for example, that throughout the entire exchange the judge referred to him only as "sir", except one time when he called him "dude" after the first (unpunished) cursing.
In return, we ask those who have stabbed their fellow man not to call the judge representing our legal system a cock, at least not so the judge can hear them.
It's a strenuous burden, I know.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Am I saying we shouldn't expect a modicum of respect in a court room? No. But sentences in this country are out of control, and this is an example of that.
"Guaranteed due process and a lot of rights." Yeah. Cool. Calling the guy "sir" is a farce that belies the truth of our poor justice system.
The fact that the judge represents our legal system, as you put it, doesn't really mean much to the people victimized by that system. And don't extrapolate from that statement that I believe he shouldn't be there in the first place for stabbing someone, because that's not my position. I'm speaking from a macro level perspective; this individual case isn't really the point.
Months in jail for words is absurd. Yep.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So clearly 60 days was not enough. I guess 120 days was long enough because he did not then do it for a third time.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)"Yeah, man, I'm serious, you're not going anywhere. Next!" after the first time the dude cussed him out.