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(33,688 posts)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 02:58 PM Nov 2014

A repost/expansion on the fall of Madison's Republic

At the request of several DUers I am reposting an expanded version of an earlier post. It's a long piece.

The New Fascism – A Primer

We are confronting ever more rapidly creeping fascism in the United States. It's not your father's or grandfather's fascism but it is fascism all the same. Fascism, like all ideas, has evolved with the times and makes use of the technologies and methods which are most efficacious at any given time. It is no longer necessary to use the methods that Nazi Germany used to obtain a like hold on the population and implement a fairly hard form of fascism, say a 7.5 or 8 on a scale where fascist Germany represents a 10. I set out the reasons why I believe this to be true herein. This is NOT intented to be anything more than a description, and shorthand terms are used to express concepts that should be readily apparent to anyone on this board. Do not waste your time nit-picking individual words or arguments as I will NOT respond to you. Nor do I have any suggestions at this time about how to forestall or prevent what seems as an inevitable descent into open New Fascism. This is a think piece about how we have come to be where we are, which I wrote in a couple of hours and nothing more.

The Project And Its Historical Antecedents

What the corporatists have in mind for their endgame might be best described as an unholy fusion of fascism and feudalism. Feudalism can be accurately defined as a system based on the preservation of a small number of aristocrats against the poverty of the masses of peons and peasants. Feudal lords did have, at least in theory, certain obligations to their peasants based on the religious mores of the times. It was considered bad form to let one's peasants starve. Though these theoretical obligations were honored as often in their breach as not, the obligatio was at least theoretically there. Fascism could not be better defined than it was by Benito Mussolini's collaborator, Giovanni Gentile, who statedin “The Doctrine of Fascism” that "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." (This quote was later and erroneously attributed to Mussolini himself.) Mussolini himself also believed that fascism “has a religious element” in that it is a pure belief system not open to question.

These are the two models the plutocracy in all its parts, including but not limited to international high finance and the military-industrial-intelligence complex that has given rise to the total surveillance “security state” of the last decade or two, has fused as the model for the system they are imposing step-by-step on the US with the active collaboration of both the Democratic and Republican parties. The latter is more open about its allegiance to the New Fascism, but it is abundantly apparent that the institutional Democratic Party has drifted into open pursuit of the same goals over the last thirty years. The one and only difference between the two is one – the Democratic New Fascists will boil the peasantry – the frogs in the kettle – a bit more slowly, but boil them they will. Make no mistake about that.

Where the founding fathers thought that the goal of proper governance was the facilitation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the New Fascists believe that the peasantry – in other words everyone not them or in their immediate service – is entitled to strife, squalor, puberty and the freedom to expire. The nominal obligations of feudalism assuredly do NOT exist in the New Fascism. The “people” are nothing but a mass of fungible, easily replaceable serfs whose sole purpose is to serve and enrich those at the top – the plutocrats and warmongers. Everyone else is utterly disposable and their very existence depends on the whims of the New Fascist leadership class. And your individual number may come up at any time once the project has been fully implemented.

The Mechanisms of Implementation

Control mechanisms and media psyops are generally much more subtle now than they were in 1930s Germany. They are not always, but the craziest and most Nazi-like elements of the propaganda – right-wing talk/hate radio and Fox News – are reserved for the stupidest and most low-information elements of the populace. They are the best targets because they are the most susceptible and the least likely to possess even rudimentary critical thinking skills. They are also the most xenophobic elements of the population. That they distrust intelligent people, science and facts makes them a perfect audience for such materials. To draw a not-perfect but accurate enough analogy, those media elements are the counterpoints to the NSDAP's Volkischer Beobachter, Der Angriff, and Die Sturmer. They exist to rile up the rabid animals.

It is necessary to understand and accept the cold fact that this is a deeply stupid country and for the most part always has been. Read the late Joe Bageeant's “Deer Hunting With Jesus” if you doubt me. Bageant wants to love, and in a way does love, his own “Scots-Irish mutt people” as he describes them, but cannot forgive them their self-willed ignorance and profoundly self-destructive natures.

There is, then, a huge pre-existing audience for the kind of propaganda the New Fascists are using to pave their way. A significant share of the populace – I've read estimates as high as 40% - is in effect functionally illiterate. Needless to say these people have literally zero critical thinking skills. They believe what their opinion leaders – talk radio, Fox, preachers – tell them to believe and question nothing. These people exist in a paranoid, twilight world where they have already internalized these messages and the Limbaughs, O'Reillys, Hannitys and Savages serve as constant reinforcers of these already-accepted concepts.

The US has always been, in large part, a bigoted and insecure place. As constitutional scholar and theorist John Hart Ely observed decades ago, tar, feathers and running people out of town on a rail is every bit as much a part of the American cultural heritage as the declaring of inalienable rights. It has also been a profoundly stupid place. Distrust of educated persons, indeed of education itself and the very process of critical thinking, has been a part of this country's zeitgeist as long as it has existed. And as the late humorist and razor-keen observer of the human zoo George Carlin once observed, think of the “average person” and remember that half of the population is dumber than that.

The more insidious propagandization comes through the “major news media”, especially television, which is controlled by a handful of companies owned by, surprise!, the corporatists and tenth-percenters. The propaganda that comes from these outlets is quite a bit more sophisticated than the openly racist, homophobic and flat-out paranoid/schizophrenic “information” put out by the above sources. It is carefully nuanced to reflect the opinions of the corporate masters. Concepts like “centrism” “bipartisanship” and “expert opinion” are pushed constantly and defined within limits that are exceedingly narrow and which have been shifting ever more rightward for the last 35 years. The Democratic party is now, as an institution, somewhat to the right of the Republican parth of the pre-Reagan 1970s. That is no accident. Those messages are not directed at the sub-literate cave trolls that make up the base of the voters the New Fascists are seeking to woo; they serve to reassure the slightly brighter low-to-moderate information populace and reassure them that things are really alright while the skids are being slowly but inexorably greased for the final descent into operationalized New Fascism. It is all meant to distract the frogs from the increasingly hot water in which they are being cooked. And it works, which is not surprising. Billions are spent on it, and it is extremely skillfully packaged. Mainstream propaganda ihas slowly lulled the non-crazy masses into a state of unquestioning acceptance, if not the Absolute Belief of the troglodytes.

The other primary tool for the propagandization manipulation of the masses, particularly the cave trolls described above, is religion. It is ungortunate in a way that there never was a state religion in the United States. Centralized state religions were easily written off as the accompanists of corrupt regimes in the 18th and 19th centuries. Intellectuals from Marat and Voltaire to Adam Weishaupt rejected them out of hand as rationalizers of the misery of the masses. Few Western European countries are religious in significant ways today, and they are certainly not religious in anything resembling the way the US. The identification of the state with a church served to breed a deep and justified cynicism about both.

The religious freedom guaranteed with the best intentions by Madison and Jefferson in the Bill of Rights foresaw that freedom being exercised by the likes of Quakers and the Roger Williamses of the world, not by inbred snake-handling morons or jet-owning, faith-healing charlatans using mega-”churches”, the media and the internet as a tool for the twin purposes of fleecing the gullible of their last dime while converting them to a belief system that is, essentially New Fascist in nature though clothed in lily-white Republican jebus. Any nut could and did, under the protections of the First Amendment's Religion Clauses, pick up a bible and declare themselves a preacher handing down "authoritative truth." Say what you will about the Catholic Church, it at least required its priests to be educated in a meaningful way. American hucksters and charlatans immediately picked up on something Frank Zappa said in 1981 - “It is easy with the bible to pretend you are in showbiz” - and ran with it all the way to their Cayman Islands bank after stopping off at the Mercedes dealership.

But people believe the obvious bullshit these swindlers sell because they are, to repeat, basically stupid and have nothing in their heads to use in the critical evaluation of claims of any kind, be they those selling beer or jebus. And people, especially people who aren't bright enough to get their heads around the nature of the universe as it is want to believe. And when they offered something simple in which to believe be it phony religion or the evil of the scary other: the poor people/African-Americans/Latinos/uppity women/loudmouthed queers and f*****s, they lap it up like a cat does cream. Particularly when their authority figures encourage and reinforce a belief that “those people” are responsible for all the evils of the world and their own inability to advance their positions in life.

Scapegoating is, of course, as old as politics. The New Fascists have built not a different kind of machine than has been used in the past but a far slicker, well-funded, and omnipresent machine that exists in every corner of modern life. Its more sophisticated manifestations are subtle enough to seem plausible to those in the middle who don't pay a lot of attention. And it works. Leave the equivalent of “The Eternal Jew” for the Limbaughs, the Robertsons and the Hagees, The New Fascists have bigger fish to fry by propagandizing the middle. That's where the power is and they have made their methods work. (Yes voter disenfranchisement is part of the plan, too, but that is beyond the scope of this essay and will be increasingly unnecessary as the propaganda convinces more).

What is remarkable is that many in the mushy middle have been converted into true believers, largely by the combination of secular and religulous propaganda. It seems safe to opine that around 40% of the populatin of the US has been intentionally and deliberately reduced to a state so pathetic they would happily vote to liquidate themselves if they were told it was the will of lily-white, blue-eyed, Caucasian Republican Jebus and the almighty R party that they do so.

Offer them a 50% pay cut and a subsistence existence to get those ever-evil, parasitical “others” back where they're "supposed" to be in the eyes of Republican/New Fascist jebusand they'd be on it like a duck on a june bug as long as they could keep their guns. They would drink the Jim Jones koolaid and beg for, indeed demand, more. Never before has there been so carefully manufactured such a huge group of people who are such seelf-annihilating zilches they will destroy themselves with a smile on their faces. That is terrifying and has no real precedent in human history of which I am aware. These people aren't like the masses of Germans who "went along to get along" - this is a huge base of lemming-like "people" whose true-believing minds function at about the same level of a six-year old that still believes in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. The belief is absolute and the critical faculties are ZERO, facts be damned.

The ironic and amusing part of this is that the New Fascists do not give one damn about most of the issues that so excite and arouse the cave trolls. If anyone is stupid enough to believe that a Lloyd Blankfein type cares whether gay couples can get married or people smoke weed legally you are living in a fool's paradise. The New Fascists are concerned only with Money and Power. Though if in time the cave trolls are given their head as a payoff by the NF Powers That Be – and it just might happen – then all bets are off.

Another reason that the New Fascists are so successful is that they hold absolute power over all the major media, as noted above. This absolute control is carefully calibrated and infinitely careful to systematically marginalize everything and everyone that doesn't serve their corporate fascist vision not by eliminating them but by making them completely invisible in the mass media. And if they are not covered by the mass media, it is obvious to all but the questioners that such individuals are obviously not Serious Persons whose opinions need to be considered. Dissidents electronically disappear rather than literally disappearing, as was the methodology of fascists past, but the effect is exactly the same. Nothing can be allowed to interfere with the media propaganda, which as Goebbels proved, is by far the best and most cost-effective way of controlling the masses. Were there a great beyond, Doktor Goebbels would be smiling down therefrom and rubbing his hands together in glee. He would be immensely proud of his intellectual heirs.

The Crucial Differences: Why The New Fascism Will Work, At Least Over the Next Twenty Years

The New Fascists don't need concentration camps, which might attract public or international attention, which might be Bad For Business. They already possess the technologies and willingness necessary to spy on everyone in the country. Dissent need not be stamped out on by massive shows of lethal force when small shows of non-lethal force are just as effective in communicating the central message – resistence is utterly futile – via their propaganda outlets. The message that even small-scale mobilizations such as Occupy can be effortlessly be brushed aside and dismissed, combined with the media selling of the mobilized as borderline or fringe “nuts” can do the job, why wast the money building concentration camps. The desired effect is obtained for less of the holy grail and Only Thing That Matters: MONEY (take your hat off and kneel when the Holy Word is spoken, pigs!). Effective mobilization is a thing of the past. There's a damned good reason the police departments have been militarised into Super-Gestapos and this is it. Individual dissenters, even giants like Chomsky, pose no threat at all, so why bother publicizing them by arresting them? Media erasure is much easier and cheaper.

The New Fascists also don't need messy, hard-to-hide, smelly death camps. The new mechanisms of implementation make them far too noticeable even if only to the marginalized Chris Hedges of the world. It is far easier to passively cull the herd by making health care and the necessities of life inaccessible to the "undesirables." Then they can just die off naturally with no awkward questions being asked. Better yet, they can be blamed for their own deaths. They were failures, and we don't want parasites as free riders on the grand and glorious experiment that is 'murkin' capitalism now, do we? And if necessary Goldman and its ilk can always engineer the necessary commodity shortages to facilitate starvation as an adjunct, and do it all in the name of free-market capitalism. Nothing can be done about the omniscient "free market." Suck it up or die, preferably the latter.

The final piece of the New Fascists' machinery is the freshly emerged doctrine of War Now, War Forever. There are uncountable trillions of dollars to be squeezed from the sheeple, at least for a few more decades, by the military-industrial-intelligence complex. And they will extract every last penny. There will always be a new, trumped-up or in some cases actively created enemy, (and just roll that concept around in your head for a moment or two to realize what it implies about the amount of control the New Fascists already have) the most dangerous since the last one, and if all else fails, drag out Zombie Hitler in a new costume like His Chimperial Highness did with the essentially harmless, save to those under his actual rule, Saddam Hussein. It will never end.

Perhaps you think I am overstating the case? I don't think so. Duer woo me with science assembled this terrifying list of monstrosities on which the two 'contesting” parties agree in full upon. Read it and tell me that the road to the full implementation of The New Fascism is not already paved. We already live in a soft fascist kleptocracy//kakistocracy. They just haven't put the eyebrows on it yet.

Maybe Hillary can finish the job. She certainly seems up to it.

Nothing will change until planetary catastrophe intervenes - and it will via global climate change, comet/asteroid strike, or nuclear exchange - and clears the way for humans to consider ways of thinking that do not involve capitalist exploitation, the worship of money and the belief in gods which can be demonstrated to not exist.

The List compiled by DUer woo me with science

Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Handing the internet to corporations? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons. Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.

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A repost/expansion on the fall of Madison's Republic (Original Post) hifiguy Nov 2014 OP
The List gives me chills. madfloridian Nov 2014 #1
The list is woo's and I give him/her full credit for it. hifiguy Nov 2014 #2
For sure... ReRe Nov 2014 #35
thought it was a dumb article hfojvt Nov 2014 #17
Sleep well. hifiguy Nov 2014 #18
He's unable to see the big picture ReRe Nov 2014 #37
+1 Well said. "Saying both parties support it is just hyperbole." n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #23
oh, my. please, dear goddess, tell me that you forgot the sarcasm icon, because you cannot niyad Nov 2014 #24
yeah I know hfojvt Nov 2014 #26
it must be nice to be so comfortable with the destruction of our society. niyad Nov 2014 #27
see there you go hfojvt Nov 2014 #29
do keep trying, because we need all the laughs we can get. niyad Nov 2014 #41
I'd rather we did it kinda like Iceland 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #46
Amen to that!! hifiguy Nov 2014 #47
I'd like to see flying pigs break the sound barrier too hfojvt Nov 2014 #49
State-owned Banks is more to the point 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #50
Kick. hifiguy Nov 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #4
One more kick for the early evening. hifiguy Nov 2014 #5
You damn sure did... ReRe Nov 2014 #40
Kick. Cleita Nov 2014 #6
Y'ALL must read this. kick! elehhhhna Nov 2014 #7
Be sure to read The List that both parties support. madfloridian Nov 2014 #8
Kick and book marking for later. logosoco Nov 2014 #9
k&r for later. n/t ms liberty Nov 2014 #10
Oh man - thanks, hifiguy! calimary Nov 2014 #11
Dean had to be removed from hifiguy Nov 2014 #13
Yes. Please send! calimary Nov 2014 #15
calimary, thanks for suggesting World News Trust Tace Nov 2014 #20
World News Trust just quite simply ROCKS, Tace! calimary Nov 2014 #21
K&R&bookmark JEB Nov 2014 #12
KICK hifiguy Nov 2014 #14
Excellent. K&R and thanks. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #16
Kick for the weekenders. hifiguy Nov 2014 #19
KRB19 for TRUTH Octafish Nov 2014 #22
a belated k and r niyad Nov 2014 #25
A very important piece. Have you had a chance to check out the work of Sheldon Wolin KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #28
i am familiar with Wolin's work and ideas though I haven't yet read hifiguy Nov 2014 #30
And the dumbing-down is vastly accelerated by the death of public education Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #33
You got that right, Jack! hifiguy Nov 2014 #36
Scary but true malaise Nov 2014 #31
. libodem Nov 2014 #32
I think I'd edit some of the rough spots & start getting this thing out there. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #34
This version was written specifically for DU so there is a bit of hifiguy Nov 2014 #38
This is excellent - TBF Nov 2014 #39
K&R for this primer on the New Fascism that should be at the top of the Greatest Page woo me with science Nov 2014 #42
Kick. JEB Nov 2014 #43
K&R and bookmarking! nt raouldukelives Nov 2014 #44
Just passing by... ReRe Nov 2014 #45
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #48
All Too True cantbeserious Nov 2014 #51


(88,117 posts)
1. The List gives me chills.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:33 PM
Nov 2014

That list of what both parties support is shocking. Never saw it put together like that before.

Thanks for compiling all that.



(33,688 posts)
2. The list is woo's and I give him/her full credit for it.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:39 PM
Nov 2014

It was one of the things that inspired this piece and allowed me to pull back and see the big picture. so thank you, woo!


(37,573 posts)
17. thought it was a dumb article
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:20 PM
Nov 2014

excessively pessimistic and derogatory.

Yep, the whole country is stupid, unlike the people who elected FDR, many of whom only had 6th grade educations (as shown by the 1940 census). And oh, the masses of people are gonna have nothing. Well, nothing if you don't count houses, cars, regfrigerators, ipods, cell phones, tattoos, and food and stuff. Maybe even a few million cabbage patch dolls, or whatever.

As for the list, I support some of those things too, or at least don't get all excited about them.

Mass surveillance of Americans? Not that big of a deal, necessarily.
Bailout of banks? Pretty much necessary to avoid catastrophe.
Drone wars and kill lists? Not all that excited about drones, and am still glad Al-Alwaki is dead.

Also it is overstated to say things like

both parties support
Austerity for the masses?
Cutting social safety nets?

When it is only ONE party and PART of another party that supports it.

Saying both parties support it is just hyperbole. Hyperbole which may lead people to think - hey, why bother voting for Democrats?


(110,810 posts)
24. oh, my. please, dear goddess, tell me that you forgot the sarcasm icon, because you cannot
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:56 PM
Nov 2014

possibly be serious about these:

Mass surveillance of Americans? Not that big of a deal, necessarily.
Bailout of banks? Pretty much necessary to avoid catastrophe.
Drone wars and kill lists? Not all that excited about drones, and am still glad Al-Alwaki is dead.


(37,573 posts)
26. yeah I know
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:04 PM
Nov 2014

I sorta feel the same way about people who are all hair on fire over those things

they cannot possibly be serious


(37,573 posts)
29. see there you go
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:32 PM
Nov 2014

Al-Alwaki got killed, therefore our society is being destroyed.

The banking system didn't collapse, therefore our society is being destroyed.

You want to see destruction of our society, then just let the banking system collapse.

But some are apparently all upset because society was NOT destroyed. "Oh horror, the banks got bailed out instead of letting the whole economy collapse. It's an outrage and it proves how much the Democratic Party sucks." Especially when put together with the death of my hero - Al Alwaki, the greatest American citizen ever.



(19,326 posts)
46. I'd rather we did it kinda like Iceland
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 06:19 PM
Nov 2014

ARREST the fucking bankers and form a system of public banks at the state & local levels,
invest public funds (the money that was wasted on the bailout) to create banks that are more
like credit unions, owned by the depositors, not for profit, etc.


(37,573 posts)
49. I'd like to see flying pigs break the sound barrier too
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:10 PM
Nov 2014

but some things are simply NOT gonna happen in my lifetime.

The bailout began when Bush was President. You know, the guy who vetoed S-chip expansion. So "arresting the bankers" was not gonna pass over his veto. There was NOT huge public support for nationalized banks, nor for mass arrests (of which bankers?)

Also, I am NOT that impressed with the credit unions I have belonged to. They just seem like banks with slightly higher interest rates. The one refused to lend me money for a car. I was a member once with something like $8,000 in my account. For perhaps three years, until they closed their downtown office and bought a place about three miles out of town. So I closed my account rather than going that far to do my banking. Four years later I am looking to borrow $3,000 to buy a car. They, however, have no interest in lending to me. (Of course, the bank where I had my checking account and wrote about $10,000 worth of checks every year, was not interested either.)

My current credit union claims to be non-profit, but it has $11 million dollars in accumulated profits that they keep adding to. I proposed to the board that half of the years profits be given back to members, monthly over the next year. (Actually my proposal was 40% to members and 10% to employees) but no, they just wanted to keep piling up reserves and investing it who knows where.

If we the people want to replace banks with credit unions, we have the option of putting our money in those credit unions. Something I have been doing for over a decade.

Bottom line is, that it was better to do what we did than to do nothing. It's not the end of the world that the banking system was not allowed to collapse. It's not the end of our freedom either. It's not the end of the world that the Democratic Party is not the socialist party. Hell, moderate Democrats are getting beaten by conservative Republicans. I don't think the public is gonna start electing socialists, no matter how upset that makes some leftists.



(19,326 posts)
50. State-owned Banks is more to the point
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

North Dakota is the only state so far that has established a publicly owned bank. Founded in 1919, the Bank of North Dakota has a mission to “promote agriculture, commerce, and industry” and “be helpful to and assist in the development of… financial institutions… within the State.”

BND functions primarily as a “banker’s bank.” Aside from student loans, BND does little in the way of direct lending. Much of its $2.8 billion loan portfolio consists of participation loans in which BND finances part of a loan made by a local community bank. By sharing in these loans, most of which fund businesses and farms, BND expands the lending capacity of North Dakota’s community banks and absorbs some of the risk associated with each loan. BND also provides a secondary market for residential mortgages, buying loans originated by community banks and thus freeing them to make more loans.

Thanks in large part to BND, community banks are much more robust in North Dakota than in other states. North Dakota has 35 percent more banks per capita than South Dakota, and four times as many as the national average (see our graph). While locally owned small and mid-sized banks (under $10 billion in assets) account for only 30 percent of deposits nationally, in North Dakota they have 72 percent of the market.

New State Bank Bills Address Credit and Housing Crises
02/27/2012 * HuffPost * Ellen Brown
Seventeen states have now introduced bills for state-owned banks, and others are in the works. Hawaii's innovative state bank bill addresses the foreclosure mess. County-owned banks are being proposed that would tackle the housing crisis by exercising the right of eminent domain on abandoned and foreclosed properties. Arizona has a bill that would do this for homeowners who are current in their payments but underwater, allowing them to refinance at fair market value.

The long-awaited settlement between 49 state attorneys general and the big five robo-signing banks is proving to be a major disappointment before it has even been signed, sealed and court approved. Critics maintain that the bankers responsible for the housing crisis and the jobs crisis will again be buying their way out of jail, and the curtain will again drop on the scene of the crime.

We may not be able to beat the banks, but we don't have to play their game. We can take our marbles and go home. The Move Your Money campaign has already prompted more than 600,000 consumers to move their funds out of Wall Street banks into local banks, and there are much larger pools that could be pulled out in the form of state revenues. States generally deposit their revenues and invest their capital with large Wall Street banks, which use those hefty sums to speculate, invest abroad, and buy up the local banks that service our communities and local economies. The states receive a modest interest, and Wall Street lends the money back at much higher interest.

ON EDIT: here are 5 good reasons to go this route:
Top 5 Reasons to Choose a Community Bank or Credit Union

Response to hifiguy (Original post)


(10,597 posts)
40. You damn sure did...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 05:40 PM
Nov 2014

... and I missed it! It is good to link this in other threads. Belongs on the greatest page list!
And thank you and woo for putting your thoughts into words and presenting them here on DU.


(88,117 posts)
8. Be sure to read The List that both parties support.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:14 PM
Nov 2014

It is something you may know, but to see it in writing is chilling.


(3,208 posts)
9. Kick and book marking for later.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:16 PM
Nov 2014

That list is a kick that should wake people up and make them angry!
And we rally around our party because they are for things like gay marriage and legalized weed. Those are things we ALREADY have rights to. We shouldn't have to fight for that. We need to be working to protect ourselves and our country from what the things on this list will lead to/already have done. This stuff is just rolling right along.


(80,132 posts)
11. Oh man - thanks, hifiguy!
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:16 PM
Nov 2014

I'm bookmarking this for later study. You put a LOT of time and thought into this. Which is the kind of thing we need here at DU and elsewhere around the liberal/progressive universe. Gonna print myself a copy.

ESPECIALLY the list of "Both parties support it."

NO FREAKIN' WONDER VOTERS ARE CONFUSED!!!!! NO WONDER they just sneer that "both parties the SAAAAAAAAAME..." NO WONDER!!! We have to make this point. WE have to do it. Waiting on the Debbie Wasserman-Schultzes of the world won't make it. I don't think they fully get it.

I think it's just disgraceful how many of them ran away from President Obama. SHAME on them! Maybe they felt they had to because they, and frankly too many others, failed utterly at promoting the accomplishments this President has achieved - even in the face of such colossal, and colossally stupid-selfish-racist-shortsighted-Sore-Loserman opposition. Fuck it! We have the damn frickin' republi-CONS taking care of that department just fine thankyouverymuch. The Dems do not, should not, and must not - ever - join in on that! NOT EVER!!!

Everybody who claimed there was something wrong with the ACA but that they'd fix it did NOTHING but buy into the damn framing the bad guys have been aggressively pushing for several years now. WHERE has the vigorous pushback been? I am sick of hearing my Dems coughing up versions of "well, okay..." or "I guess you're right" or "well, I can see your point..." FUCK THAT! FUCK THAT SHIT!!! STAND FOR SOMETHING, DAMMIT! Don't just throw the game before you've barely started playing!!!

NO WONDER too much of the electorate finds so little difference between the two parties. OUR side doesn't give anybody anything much to sink their teeth into! Too many of ours are the kind that offer "we're not quite as bad as they are." I have seen it written that if people have a choice between CON and "CON-lite," if they're even slightly predisposed toward slanting "right" instead of left, THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH THE REAL THING, RATHER THAN THE MILQUETOAST KINDA-SORTA VERSION!!!!! And in the meantime, our side winds up NOT winning over anybody from that side, AND alienating and pissing off those who loyally turn out and support them - and WOULD vote if they weren't so dispirited for having been almost perpetually ignored.

No wonder Barack Obama had people running away from him. Too many gave into the enemy framing, and willingly went over to THEIR playing field, with THEIR rules and THEIR ball and THEIR uniforms and played THEIR game using THEIR framing and messaging. Responding to the way THEY laid out an issue. THAT SHOULD BE FLATLY REJECTED!!!!!! Whatever they say and how-ever they say it should be FLATLY AND VIGOROUSLY REJECTED!!!!!!!! We shouldn't even be using their terminology (their framing). WE decide what it's called. WE decide how OUR issues are spoken about and framed!!!

When Alex Sink ran in Florida awhile back, saying "we can fix Obamacare" in her hopes of countering the opponent (who wound up winning, btw) who said "Obamacare baaaaaad," she presented NOTHING to get excited about. Because she stood for nothing decisive! And she lost. FUCK that "we can fix it" shit. TOTALLY WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! Hey, forgive me please, I'm sorry to shout. But, know what? If we were discussing this in person at some activists' meeting, my voice would DEFINITELY be RAISED!!!!!

But Alex Sink and all the other flimsy flatulent jellyfish candidates supposedly representing our side should have responded, and forcefully - even in-yer-face:

"Hey! Wait just a minute! What you call "Obamacare", the Affordable Care Act, is FREAKIN' FANTASTIC!!!! It's THE BEST! BEST IDEA since Social Security because it actually HELPS PEOPLE!!! (it should be said with volume and FEELING) I'm DAMN PROUD that X million people who had no choice but to run up exorbitant medical bills because they had to go to the emergency room, or let their health problems go untreated til too late when the costs were sky-high - have been HELPED! And get affordable health care! So they can finally go to the doctor - after YEARS of neglect! So they can keep their kid on their insurance while their kid is trying to get through school or get on his feet. Or when they have catastrophic health insurance bills and their coverage is cut off while the bills just keep coming. Or they can't GET insurance to begin with because they have a preexisting condition. Or ONE job layoff followed by a catastrophic illness or accident could leave them out on the street forcryingoutloud!!!! (ticking off all the good things people like about the ACA) So the rest of us taxpayers don't have to cough up higher insurance rates because the uninsured wind up in emergency rooms which is the costliest health care there is! (woo and exploit their selfishness - which is CONSIDERABLE) I mean - where is our compassion in this country? Are we really so heartless? So cruel? So mean-spirited? Should we really be so selfish and cold-hearted as to turn our backs on our fellow Americans in real need? When we've started finding solutions HERE, NOW? (a phrase that's actually started surfacing, provoking guilt - hope it starts catching on further - we need to pound this over and over again until we drop!!!) What you call "Obamacare" means that ordeal is OVER! And I'm DAMN PROUD of that!!! (voice raised, dammit - we need to start making some NOISE here) Because it means Americans don't have to go through that baloney or injustice or rip-off anymore! Especially those who really and truly need the help! And they don't have to be in their hospital beds and fighting with their insurance companies! I guess YOU'RE okay with that, 'eh? (you cut straight to their "hearts" - that is, if they had one - but any way you slice it, these assholes are, at their essence, totally heartless) You don't want to help people, do you? That's what it's about - YOU DON'T WANT TO HELP PEOPLE. YOU DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE COMMAND OF JESUS HIMSELF TO LOOK AFTER WHAT HE CALLED "THE LEAST OF MY BRETHREN'!" (thus turning the uncomfortable heat back on them)

Sorry to vent on, so long. Yoiks... But dammit, I yearn to see this approach in the political mix! I'm even trying to help come up with stuff for our supposed leading lights to say, if they're so bereft of ideas! SO frustrating.

Howard Dean and George Lakoff. We need 'em both, and we need 'em NOW.



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13. Dean had to be removed from
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:37 AM
Nov 2014

the public eye. He was a direct threat to the New Fascists in the party. Will PM you or anyone else who asks for it, a revised and semi-final version of this on Saturday. Come one, come all!!! Am thinking of trying to find a lefty website to publish that version. Counterpunch? Common Dreams? It's far too radioactive for most "liberal" sites.


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15. Yes. Please send!
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:36 PM
Nov 2014

We have somebody here at DU who runs a site called World News Trust. He goes by Tace. I bet he'd love it! Message him about it. There's also Op/Ed News. I'd offer it wherever it made sense! How 'bout Daily Kos? As well as Counterpunch and Common Dreams. And Politicus. Those are just off the top of my head.



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14. KICK
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:06 AM
Nov 2014

This is going to get read and commented on if I have to die trying to make it so. I honestly believe people need to read this.


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22. KRB19 for TRUTH
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:40 PM
Nov 2014

There should be 1,000 Recs for this outstanding history. Seeing how Agent Mike might actually one day come calling for the Big Round-Up, I can understand why it doesn't.

How would a patriot act?

Stratfor: executive boasted of 'trusted former CIA cronies'

By Alex Spillius, Diplomatic Correspondent
9:08PM GMT 28 Feb 2012
The Telegraph

A senior executive with the private intelligence firm Stratfor boasted to colleagues about his "trusted former CIA cronies" and promised to "see what I can uncover" about a classified FBI investigation, according to emails released by the WikiLeaks.

Fred Burton, vice president of intelligence at the Texas firm, also informed members of staff that he had a copy of the confidential indictment on Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

The second batch of five million internal Stratfor emails obtained by the Anonymous computer hacking group revealed that the company has high level sources within the United States and other governments, runs a network of paid informants that includes embassy staff and journalists and planned a hedge fund, Stratcap, based on its secret intelligence.


Mr Assange labelled the company as a "private intelligence Enron", in reference to the energy giant that collapsed after a false accounting scandal.



It is an honor to know you, hifiguy. Thank you for that outstanding history. Every sentence you wrote can be sourced, online.


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28. A very important piece. Have you had a chance to check out the work of Sheldon Wolin
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:22 PM
Nov 2014

on 'inverted totalitarianism'? I have had several people recommend I take a look at it, but have not yet done so, but I think it probably bears on your subject here. (As I understand it, Wollin discusses the irony that fringe types like us can talk until we are blue in the face about a 'police state' without having to actually fear being disappeared or whisked away because the new totalitarians simply ignore us and dominate the media space so our voices are never heard.)

Do you have a link to Woo's original thread where the list was compiled?



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30. i am familiar with Wolin's work and ideas though I haven't yet read
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:41 PM
Nov 2014

his entire book. Another factor that is at play is the notion of manufactured consent, as Chomsky and Edward Herman wrote about in 1986. The techniques have now been virtually perfected, and absolute control over the principal sources of news make sure no dissent is ever heard outside of a very narrow range of ever more rightwing options.

A bolt came to me last night that is directly related to the issues i discuss in the piece and I intend to write about it at some point - TPTB have now figured out a way to monetize stupidity and ignorance, which is a terrifying concept. Fascists of the past were interested solely in political power nd territorial expansion. The New Fascists are not content with that. They literally want all the money in the world. The monetization of stupidity works as follows - relentlessly propagandize the sheep-like, infinitely gullible populace in order to get a majority to vote for policies that continue to further impoverish them, policies which facilitate ann even greater transfer of wealth to the tenth-percenters. This, too, is something new.

If you check woo's posts or google DU you can find a link, but if I can smoke it out I will PM you with it. I posted the entire list w/o edits.

I am in the process of trying to get an even more expanded version of this posted on worldnewstrust.com

Jackpine Radical

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33. And the dumbing-down is vastly accelerated by the death of public education
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 03:55 PM
Nov 2014

and the rise of privatized vocational schools that teach welding or, for the more creative, video game design right alongside Creationism and climate denial.



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36. You got that right, Jack!
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 05:32 PM
Nov 2014

The dumbing down, and plans for the eventual destruction of, public education came riding in with Ronnie Raygun and neither Clinton nor Obama has done thing one to stop it.

Jackpine Radical

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34. I think I'd edit some of the rough spots & start getting this thing out there.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 03:58 PM
Nov 2014

Put it on Kos, Reader Supported News (Godot section), Facebook (if you do that), etc. It's an excellent piece.



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38. This version was written specifically for DU so there is a bit of
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 05:34 PM
Nov 2014

preaching to the choir in it. I have polished, revised and extended it to around 5000 words and calimary put me in touch with a site - worldnewstrust.com - whose editor is interested in it. May try the finished version at Kos as well.

And thanks!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
42. K&R for this primer on the New Fascism that should be at the top of the Greatest Page
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 09:47 PM
Nov 2014

and recopied/sent well beyond DU, to everyone we know and across the internet.

We desperately need summaries like this, complete with accurate and fearless use of the word "fascism" to describe what is being done to us, in order to help people see through the incessant diversionary propaganda.
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