Some people are obsessed with HRC

[arely staircase]

Karl Rove has been for years now. The thought of her candidacy drives him nuts. I had forgotten how much the Clintons get under the right people's skin. Go Hillary!

[shenmue]

1. Oh yeah

[IdiocracyTheNewNorm]

2. I know I am obsessed with keeping her out of ANY public office

America can no longer afford Hillary.

[MrScorpio]

4. Any suggestions about which Democrat can win in 2016, if not Hillary?

Personally, I'm just willing to wait until the actual primaries before declaring which of our candidates should or should not be elected to public office.

[leftofcool]

6. Haven't you heard?

Liz Warren is the new savior but she isn't running. Bernie Sanders is savior Number 2 but I have been voting for 50 years and have yet to see America elect a socialist. He's a great guy but not likely electable.

[MrScorpio]

8. Which is why candidate wishery never made any sense to me...

Unless, of course I wanted to collapse in heap of perpetual disappointment, while concern trolling like a boss.

Whoever is going carry our banner, I'm behind that candidate. No time for ponies.

[freshwest]

13. That deserves its own thread. Like a boss, that's a cool expression I don't hear much.

[Electric Monk]

67. LOL, you're being sarcastic, right?

(nsfw)

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/like-a-boss

[freshwest]

68. No. And won't watch the film. Thought it meant something else. EOM.

[HereSince1628]

17. Do you think avg people should be part of the process of selecting the candidate?

And if you do,

How do you see that process as sorting out who should be filing to participate as primary candidates?

Isn't it possible that 'candidate wishery' is an early part of that process?

Should the field not include candidates, encouraged, dare I say compelled to participate by popular appeal? Popular appeal which seems to be a possible outcome for some candidate wishery?

[MrScorpio]

23. For the Primary, there's no problem with it...

For the General, all that's going to do is sow disruption, discord and disunity.

Timing is everything.

[HereSince1628]

28. But apparently there is a problem on DU, just look at the angst at over a year out

from the primaries.

Based on what's being written it's apparent many DUers, among whom the most vocal are HRC supporters, really share your attitude of it's no problem to be candidate wishing leading into the primaries.

It's pretty clear that for them no one else should be able to contemplate/dream/wish about qualities or personage of the future candidate.

[MrScorpio]

36. And what would be the point of defining ONLY certain people acceptable and others unacceptable...

Before ANYONE has even declared that they're going to run? What's the point of making mere unsubstantiated presumptions about this no-existent candidacies?

"Oooo, I'm only going to vote for such-and-such and so-and-so can go to hell!" Right. That's smart thinking.

We have no idea what the field is going to look like just yet, and if we do stand a chance of keeping the White House, it stands reason to wait and balance the alternatives at the right time.

It doesn't matter to me if Hillary is going to run or not. I haven't even had the opportunity to hear from her if she will and what case she'd make to run, if she so chooses. I haven't yet had the chance to weigh her case against any of her opponents... Because no one has yet declared.

If she does decide to run and if she ends up being the nominee, she's going to be THE Democratic candidate, will she not? At that point, the time for petty bickering is over.

The important thing is to win in November.

If has some particular stance on an issue that would seem problematic on the outset, there's nothing stopping any of us (as a group to make our voices heard about it), even during the general campaign. If selected, she would be vying for the most votes, not just ours but everyone's. Our competing voices would have to be loud enough to be here. Disengagement at that time would be counter-productive.

Something like that is an ongoing process, even were she would to serve a term as our elected President. It pays to STAY engaged throughout the entire process.

If anything, our unwillingness to stay engaged and our voices always heard has been our shortcoming. How President Obama was abandoned by his own party should be a testament to THAT disgrace.

You're going to have to dance with who brung ya, one way or the other. That's how politics works.

[randome]

37. The bubble that is DU has as much effect on the real world as an ACTUAL soap bubble.

It's necessary to see things as they truly are.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[HereSince1628]

39. I suspect it reflects conversations throughout the nation which

often have the power of a soap bubble...but sometimes results in coalescence of opinion/emotion.

Obama rode in on such a bubble.

[gwheezie]

52. That's not what I think

There's this myth that people who would vote for Hillary don't want anyone else to run. Sure there are a few but that's not all of us.
I will vote for Hillary is she runs. I hope she has strong primary challengers. If one of them is better than she is I'll change my mind. Let's see how this progresses.
Don't lump us all together as some brain dead zombies. You got someone better I hope they run. I'm sincere about that. I hope we have the best candidate we can find.

[pnwmom]

47. And no time for unicorns. nt

[IdiocracyTheNewNorm]

7. Like you I am willing to wait but Hillary is a non starter in my book, no support for her from me

what so ever.

Like many Warren or Sanders would be my first choice they both have messages that resonates with the majority of Americans.

A Corporate Democrat will lose to a Republican every time just like Harry Truman said.

[MrScorpio]

9. Okay, but what if she's nominated by an overwhelming majority of Democrats?

Where's that going to leave you then?

[IdiocracyTheNewNorm]

10. Voting third party or writing in a name

I am voting my conscience, no more holding my nose, the candidate either supports my values or they do not if they do not they don't get my vote.

Simple.

[MrScorpio]

11. I see.

So, since no one has declared as of yet, not even the dreaded Hillary, what are the kind of stances in a candidate that you're conscience will allow you to support?

Anyone past or present who's won a national election before in this country?

[IdiocracyTheNewNorm]

19. I am really not in the mood to play a tit for tat game let’s just say over the

Years there have been those that I supported that won and some have lost more recently too many I am compromising for and holding my nose. No more.

Her economic policies are just as destructive as the republicans and this country cannot afford it any longer.

It is just the way I see things.

My vote my choice, I am willing to live with my choices are you?

[RedstDem]

21. I've been kicked out of other threads for expressing that very thought

the DLC'ers are strong on the site.

I am of the same mind, a better candidate will get my vote, the only way HRC gets my vote, is if she's the one that's the best.

[randome]

38. Where will you find a candidate who is 'the best'?

Won't every candidate have a flaw or shortcoming of some sort?

Voting one's conscience, as stated above, is fine but what if a Republican is elected President because of that? How does one's conscience permit that to stand?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[RedstDem]

46. thats pretty simple really

if a republican is elected president, that person was the best candidate for all that voted for them. the loser would have had less people that considered them the best.

if you vote your conscience, and person loses, you have nothing to feel bad about.

[randome]

61. An honest and straight-forward position.

I don't see things that way, myself, but I understand where you're coming from.

I will point out, however, that you 'feeling good' perhaps should not be the barometer by which to judge success. We're all in in this together, or at least that should be part of the consideration, too.

That being said, I don't have a problem with you working all that out for yourself.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[bhikkhu]

42. Can you illuminate us about her economic principles?

using evidence of things she has said or done?

I'd like to think its not just irrational hatred.

[leftofcool]

15. Yep, you can always not vote at all, or write in someone you like

Maybe Nader will run again and syphon off votes from the Dems like he did Al Gore.

[baldguy]

32. So for you, having a Republican in the White House is preferable to having Hillary.

Good to know that you stand for .... something.

[heaven05]

35. Wasting a vote

or more self-defeating, not voting Democrat Party is just not an option. Not voting coupled with all those RW clowns voting AGAINST their own self interests is a recipe for continuing decline as in the fall of the roman empire. Our system of politics, because of the fascist, racists and just plain greedy is slowly slipping into chaos. If that's what you want, have it it. Don't blame anyone but yourself if it does continue to slide into RW depravity. They are some racist, sick mother........s. If Hillary is the choice, okay I'll do it. Won't agree with policies I'm sure, just like I can't agree with some of the current policies.

Yet if you want to make it "simple" go ahead. When you see a mcain, romney, palin, cruz, ernst, ryan, paul, or any other racist, fascist RW pig walk through the front door at 1600, don't forget jebbieboy, I will be laughing loud enough at whats coming in relation to your "values", you will hear me laughing loudly no matter what cave you'll be forced to live in.

In my continuing analysis of this last election, people like you with your immovable "values" helped the rethugs in keeping people from understanding that no matter what, we must vote our Party and we must keep the RW steamroller from burying us all. I will fight them to my dying day. All voters with a "conscience" at least will have a chance to scream louder at our POTUS than the RW lie machine to force changes possibly to be gotten by OUR candidate. And Obama still has time to make changes and I see he is starting, no on Keystone, he'll be saying no on CPI and Medicare/Medicaid 'reform'. So sit out or waste your vote at your peril.

[IdiocracyTheNewNorm]

40. So if I choose to vote for the Socialist candidate over a Democratic candidate because I believe

that Socialist Candidate reflects my values better than the Democratic Candidate, I am wasting my vote. (BTW I am a 30+ year member of the Democratic Party)

Thanks good to know that how if I freely choose to vote and select a person that I believe will best represent me and what I believe in is wasted.

The strategic voting methodology in the end results in what the Republicans are pimping anyway.

I want REAL change not death by 1000 cuts.

[heaven05]

41. vote for whom you may

it's your right to rationalize. You vote third party you feel good about yourself and your "values", fine. You vote Democratic candidate, your vote is helping to show our numbers. If the opposing force believes your numbers can be overwhelmed by steamroller tactics, then they will steamroll, as seen by Nov 4, 2014. A day that will live in infamy. Vote for whom you please, your right.

[MoonchildCA]

44. Personally, I love my country more than my principles.

I'm not a fan of Hillary, but in the general, I will vote for the least conservative candidate running.
Hell, if I had to chose between Mitt and Ted Cruz, I'd choose Mitt. (Ick, I'm feeling kinda sick now.)

I'm of the mind that we need to do the least damage to this country as possible, because however bad Hillary is, there is someone out there way, way worse. At least with her, I, and millions of others, can keep our healthcare.

I love to have a candidate I can be enthusiastic about. It's the most satisfying and exciting thing in the world, but it's just not always realistic, unfortunately.

[840high]

69. Thank you. I think

I love you. I am doing the same.

[Katashi_itto]

54. For me, eating waffles on voting day and reading a good book. Since she's inevitable

she doesn't need me or my vote.

[Aerows]

63. Half heartedly voting for her

But not donating an iota of time or a penny of money on her campaign.

That sounds like a recipe for victory, doesn't it? I don't think I am in the slightest alone with that opinion. If you can't get financial and committed support amongst those who ALWAYS vote and are politically aware (DUers), what are you going to get from everyone else?

The "She's better than a batshit crazy Republican" vote hasn't turned out all that well for Democrats.

[leftofcool]

14. Really?

LBJ= corporate Dem
Bill Clinton= corporate Dem I think they won

[RiverLover]

24. Bill Clinton posed as a Progressive, that's why he won.

No more of that sh*t. Give me the real deal or this Progressive will sit it out.

[leftofcool]

26. So sit it out.

Voting is optional. Just ask all those Dems who sat out in the midterms. Oh wait, they sat out, we lost.

[heaven05]

30. Yeah, okay

Nov 4, 2014 results, rinse, repeat. It's rigged by big money, true,yet I want my big money candidate to win. Maybe just maybe, there will be some progress on important issues, while with rethugs, guaranteed to get NOTHING!!!!! Go ahead sit it out, at your greater peril.

[RedstDem]

20. theres really a lot of Democrats that can win the election, and are more palatble for the majority

American besides Hillary.

I'm with you.

[MrScorpio]

22. It's just that I see no point in burning bridges at this point...

Whoever is going to get the nomination would have done so because they've been vetted by a majority of Democrats, be it Hillary or not.

The primary is the place to have this fight, once our choice has been made, then the ONLY important thing would be for all of us to set aside our differences and go on to win the General together.

[backwoodsbob]

31. i remember running with our heads down

running from sniper fire.

THAT will destroy her.
The repubs will run that over and over and will destroy her

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. and Karl Rove thanks you.....what we CANNOT afford....is Republican control of 3 branches!

[Thinkingabout]

55. I am not sure some really understand a GOP controlled government and its

Lasting affect for years to come. A short look at SC is a big clue we don't need any more Scaila.

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. they totally don't....this is not a time for a Hail Mary...this is time to play DEFENSE!

What we DON'T need is to RISK them having all three branches. So how do we prevent that....we go with the candidate that polls beating ALL Republican comers. And who has that? Hillary Clinton!

[SidDithers]

73. Come back soon, again...

Sid

[leftofcool]

3. You ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Wait until she declares she is running. You will see the Hillary bashers/haters right here on DU spew every right wing talking point that comes from Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Rand Paul and the rest of their ilk. It will be 2008 on steroids.

[arely staircase]

16. it will be off the charts nt

[cali]

5. some people don't want to look at who she is, both as a candidate and politician

[arely staircase]

18. I have wanted her to be President since the 90s

Though I liked Obama better in 08. I guess you could call me a Clinton/Obama Democrat. I first really started paying attention to politics in the 90s and the Gingrich led Tea Party prototype Contract with America/Impeachment is pretty much what has made me a partisan Democrat ever since.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. yep....but I have.

[bhikkhu]

43. The RW are masters of getting people to hate someone

I think they have succeeded fairly well with an pliant minority in this party.

I wish some would look at their own principles, and then compare what they would like to see in a candidate with what HRC has actually done and said. An inability to back up strong opinions with evidence and reasons is often a sign someone has you strung up like a puppet.

[Reformed Bully]

12. 2016 Obama - Biden

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Michelle & Jill

[RiverLover]

25. ???

[JEFF9K]

33. She ticks all the boxes ...

She ticks all the boxes that tick them off!

[hrmjustin]

34. It will take some time for some to get comfortable with her as our nominee.

I hope we can all support her when she is the nominee and Puma does not show its head again.

[jillan]

45. Silly me - I thought you were talking about the Dems!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. Obsessed? No. I just won't vote for her.

In about the same way I'm not "obsessed" with canned asparagus. I just won't eat eat it...even if it's "not as bad" as pickled beets.

[Metric System]

49. I find it interesting how some posters here draw the line at Hillary. They've supposedly voted Dem

every time, but they're putting their foot down over Hillary, as if she's so much farther to the right than Obama, Kerry, Gore and Bill.

[Eridenus]

50. Which she is.

She's to the right of everyone except the Tea Party crazies.

[Thinkingabout]

56. Proof? Link.

[Eridenus]

64. Here's one of them

[LawDeeDah]

58. How do you get a .jpg in your signature view?

I thought I couldn't because I am not a paying member but I see you aren't as well but you have a picture there.
I don't want the one you have tho.

[randome]

62. Probably pasted in as part of the text, not as part of the sig line.

As are my sig lines.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[shenmue]

51. I think I will build one of my patented Super Hidey Boxes

like I used to when I was a kid. My brother and I once built a huge, rambling snow fort in the backyard. It had stuff like tunnels made out of cardboard boxes, with snow packed over that. Anyway, I will stay in the Hidey Box until the yelling slows down, or until Mom lets me adopt a dog, whichever.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

53. Was at the grocery store. looked at the tabloids while in line, National Enquirer front page...

was a really wrinkly looking headshot of Hillary and a header of 'new government evidence', 'Vince Foster was murdered!' I can't recall, but it might have also suggested he was her lover, and the usual 'suicide was a coverup'.

So there's that being pulled back out. Kind of early, though, I would have thought they'd wait at least til she actually announced.

[Thinkingabout]

57. When ya aint got nuttin' ya just kick sh*t.

[Orsino]

60. If more people were obsessed with her, she'd have to become a better candidate.

I think the main trouble is people not scrutinizing her enough.

[arely staircase]

65. not sure I can think of anyone who has been scrutinized more

except maybe her husband.

[Orsino]

70. The million-and-one distractions and made-up scandals don't count as actual scrutiny.

I think the flaws in her actual positions and actions need to be scrutinized.

[L0oniX]

66. Nice paint kit you got there.

[sabrina 1]

71. Yes, they are obsessed with her. How about ending the obsession by not mentioning her

anymore, especially since there is no reason to. She is not running.

Also the obsession with her (see this thread, yet another 'push Hillary' thread eg) is just turning people off.

[SidDithers]

72. Yup. 8 anti-Hillary threads in a span of 13 minutes, from a single poster...

is pretty convincing evidence of your statement.



Sid

[hrmjustin]

74. Not easy being a Clinton supporter on this site.

Things are getting a bit intense.