"Democrats" who feign outrage over the Gruber tapes are ALEC's useful idiots

[Ykcutnek]

Healthcare for millions of Americans is at stake in the latest Affordable Care Act challenge to reach the U.S. Supreme Court -- and if the Court sides with the challengers, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and other Koch-funded groups will have laid the groundwork for the healthcare law's destruction.

On November 7, the Court granted review of the case King v. Burwell, which argues that the ACA should be read as prohibiting insurance premium subsidies for low-income citizens in states that refused to set up their own online healthcare exchanges -- which is contrary to the clear intent of the law's drafters and to a reading of the law as a whole. The chief advocate for the ACA interpretation of the ACA advanced by the King plaintiffs is Michael Cannon, a fellow at the Koch-funded Cato Institute.

- See more at: http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/11/12667/alec-obamacare-king-v-burwell#sthash.20V3LP10.dpuf

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The tapes are not a coincidence. It is a coordinated effort to soften the blow of SCOTUS destroying millions of lives. And those on our side claiming they're outraged are either willing participants in this dastardly effort or ALEC's useful idiots.

[Autumn]

1. As I look out at the pasture I see a big bull. I know Bull Shit when I see it.

Democrats who as you say " are ALEC's useful idiots " and are "outraged " over what the dip shit said are just that. Democrats who are pissed off at what he said. What do you want them to do? Praise him? Stroke him? Or just shut up and don't talk about it on a Democratic forum for... talking about things?

[Ykcutnek]

2. Let's revoke health insurance from millions to punish him.

Murica!

[SickOfTheOnePct]

4. Stop with the BS

Autumn never said anything like that.

It's entirely possible to be in favor of the ACA (until single payer is possible) and still be pissed at Gruber for saying that it passed because we were all too stupid to understand what was happening.

[Ykcutnek]

7. I'm sure everyone is genuinely outraged.

And doesn't just see it as another opportunity to attack a law that has made a positive difference in millions.

[Autumn]

9. You do seem to be very outraged that people are talking about this jerk.

almost taking it personally. Our ACA is safe. Obama will not allow the destruction of his signature legislation that has helped millions and this idiot can't do shit to destroy it.

[customerserviceguy]

14. Oh, he's already done enough

I'm surprised that this stuff didn't come out before the election. Gruber's fat yap just stiffened the spine of the 'repeal Obamacare' movement, who I had hoped was losing some steam.

[Autumn]

17. Has he done any more damage than what the republicans have been doing since

the day the ACA was signed into law? The republicans will never lose steam on trying to repeal it until Obama is out of office then they will be happy with it.

[customerserviceguy]

22. As time goes on

it gets harder and harder to repeal a law providing benefits for a growing number of people who come to appreciate them, and frankly, cannot live without them.

What if a Gruber-like character came around some eighty years ago, and talked about what fools the American people would be for letting the government take money from young people and giving it to old people through Social Security, and that ever-expanding population growth rates would be needed to keep the scheme going?

[Autumn]

23. Well it's a fine thing he wasn't around 80 years ago.

[customerserviceguy]

30. Eighty years ago

nobody had movie cameras with sound in their pockets. There are a lot more ways to put stupidity on display.

[Autumn]

11. Stop it. Are you going to curl up in a corner and cry when the republicans

start their BS? Here you are trashing a part of DU and calling them useful idiots because they are discssing a current event and you don't like it.

[Autumn]

6. Yeah insurance from millions of people will be revoked to punish him.

If anything happens to the ACA it will be the fault of the supremes. Not talking about some fucking asshole who had something to do with writing the ACA. And if he was telling the truth it deserves to be out there under discussion.

[unrepentant progress]

26. Just lie back, and think of England, er, quasi-affordable healthcare for some

[Autumn]

27. I'm just gonna lie of my back and think of the exchange getting back to me via

my clicking for them to reset my password or calling me back from my phone call for help on Thursday when my letter came in so I can see what insurance this useful idiot can purchase that is comparable to my Silver Humana that went up $84.00 and out of this stupid Americans price range.

[seveneyes]

3. Who doesn't enjoy being called stupid?

Irrationality is not known for its randomness, but for its beauty and chaos.

[Ykcutnek]

5. I don't care what I'm called as long as I can go to the doctor for little to no cost. nt

[SickOfTheOnePct]

8. Good for you, here's a cookie

Not everyone shares that mindset, and to say that those who don't are useful idiots that want the ACA repealed is BS.

[Ykcutnek]

10. It is BS. Stronger words are warranted, but not appropriate. nt

[SickOfTheOnePct]

12. If you want to sit there and spout baseless and insulting accusations

have at it. But expect to get push back for spouting such BS.

And if you want to use stronger words, have at it - I'm a big boy, I can take it.

[Mojorabbit]

15. +1000 nt

[QC]

18. Cookie? I think a pretzel would be more appropriate. n/t

[Autumn]

19. ....

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

35. Indeed. nt

[simak]

21. Maybe no cost to you. Others are still paying more, and they were lied to.

Others are settling for inferior care in order to make ends meet in the name of cutting you in on the action.

And these people would not all strike you as people who somehow deserve this because they've been getting some kind of free ride all along.

Good, honest people are being made poorer by ACA.

[jonno99]

32. You unsderstand don't you that THAT is the lie?

The lie is that the ACA plan would turn the cost-curve DOWN - when it doesn't.

Sure we got a new plan - but it's going to cost MUCH more than they said it would.

Doesn't bother you - just a little bit?

[woo me with science]

13. Third Way talking points.

Trashing thread.

Ignore Third Way spin and talking points
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160

[WorseBeforeBetter]

16. It's a PR disaster. Don't try to deny it.

And what are you doing to mitigate the effects, besides bashing members of a liberal message board?

Yawn.

[virgogal]

20. So if we don't like being called stupid we are "useful idiots"? Astonishing.

I guess we can't win.

[Throd]

24. I'm not feigning shit. Those comments genuinely pissed me off.

[B2G]

25. +1000

[KMOD]

28. I like how David Axelrod sums it up

As one who worked hard to make ACA and its benefits clear, let me say: if you looked up "stupid" in dictionary, you'd find Gruber's picture.

— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) November 16, 2014

[Nye Bevan]

29. I'm as big a supporter of the ACA as anyone on this board,

but I will criticize stuff like that when it is deserving of it. I'm not going to just mindlessly root toot toot for the home team.

[Doctor_J]

31. And those who think the ACA is healthcare are Big Insurance's useful idiots

nah, nah, nah, nah!

How much bribery should we happily pay insurance executives to provide the world's worst healthcare?

[Odin2005]

33. The Gruber BS has all the signs of a manufactured controversy.

The timing is especially suspect.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. You seem to have an old web browser that doesn't play video.

Suggest you upgrade so that you can avail yourself of a clue.