to the Hillary Supporters

[backwoodsbob]

If someone other than Hillary wins the primary....will you support them?Or will this be another PUMA election?
A simple yes or no question

[stevenleser]

1. "another" PUMA election? Most Hillary supporters last time voted for Obama. Why would this be

different?

[hrmjustin]

2. You should ask the anti-Hillary people this question because they are the ones saying they won't vot

for her.


I hate puma in 2008 and hate it now.

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. agree....thats the better more interesting question..

[Aerows]

83. I beg to differ

I will vote for her if she is the nominee, I just won't donate money, time and effort to getting her elected. She will get exactly what she has earned - my vote because I am forced to vote for her as the Democratic nominee.

[hrmjustin]

84. I won't give her money either but that is because I never give politicians money.

[Aerows]

85. I won't dedicate energy into helping her get

elected, either. My vote, at this point, if she is the nominee and I absolutely must pick between her and a Republican, will be all that she gets.

I HOPE there is at least someone else to challenge her that can drag the political conversation to the left, because Hillary hasn't impressed me.

[hrmjustin]

86. There will be a primary but I think it is becoming a bit clearer that Warren will not run.

[Aerows]

87. O'Malley?

There *has* to be someone other than Hillary. We don't need dynastic politics - look what happened with Bush 2.0. My goodness, imagine Jeb as 3.0?

Franken, O'Malley, Sanders, all of them should throw their hat in the ring and allow a national conversation about something other than corporate candidate A and corporate candidate B.

If not, we should just go ahead and pick the corporation we support and hope they are more benevolent than the vultures picking apart our democracy.

[hrmjustin]

88. There will be a primary.

Too soon to tell who runs.

[Aerows]

89. True, too much fretting beforehand

We'll see where the rock meets the ocean later this year.

[Vattel]

95. O' Malley is Corporate candidate B

[Kingofalldems]

3. Of course.

Yes---this looks like shit stirring.

[hrmjustin]

5. We have a winner.

[uppityperson]

92. Rather like his should I breed my epileptic 2 lb dog at first heat thread?

[Kingofalldems]

93. Saw that. A pattern.

[backwoodsbob]

7. Anyone who doesn't support Hillary is a sexist now

here we go.
And before you bother...I support EW

[boston bean]

8. Don't forget ageist was mentioned too.

Or do you only really get offended if someone mentions sexism?

[backwoodsbob]

10. EW isn't that much younger than HRC

so how could I be ageist ?

[boston bean]

11. Didn't say you were, just seemed you didn't have a problem with

the ageist suggestion, only the sexist one.

[backwoodsbob]

16. My only problem is with people

who try to tell me to shut up and take HRC without a primary

[boston bean]

17. Well, speak to those people. Cause I don't think I've ever told you to shut up.

[backwoodsbob]

18. you know exactly what I mean

The word games will get you nowhere

[boston bean]

20. No I don't know exactly what you mean.

[backwoodsbob]

22. If EW wins the primary

will you support her?

[boston bean]

23. ah duh! YES.

WTF, I haven't seen one person on this board say they wouldn't support EW if she was nominated.

I have seen many say that they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

See how and why I think you got it backwards, bob?

[backwoodsbob]

24. good answer

and i will support HRC if she is our nominee.

See how easy that was?

[boston bean]

26. True answer, not just a good one. Secondly,

where is your question to the EW supporters who state they won't support Hillary under any circumstances. That seems to be more the reality of the matter.

Or were you just trying to make Hillary supporters look bad?

[backwoodsbob]

31. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad

We EW supporters have been clear where we stand....we stand with the 99%
HRC stands with the 1%

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. actually you would be wrong....

Unless you consider all of this 1% issues..

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

[LanternWaste]

97. That would be an accurate example of the "PUMA" crap you mentioned in your OP.

"we stand with the 99%,. HRC stands with the 1%..."

That would be an accurate example of the "PUMA" crap you mentioned in your OP.

(insert distinction without a difference below to validate bias)

[BlueCaliDem]

44. I will support and vote for ANY Democrat who wins the primary. What I won't do

is sit home and sulk because my preferred candidate didn't win. I'm not that egotistical, narcissistic, or selfish, and I do live in the real world of political realities.

[Andy823]

65. +100000

Sitting home and not voting only helps republicans win. Those who make such a claim seem to have another agenda than making sure our country is headed in the right direction. If we lose the WH in 2016, a republican will once again be putting justices on the SC, and that is by far the worst scenario for this country.

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. no anyone who doesnt support whoever wins our

Primary...is a poser and a left leaning independent by default....

[BlueCaliDem]

47. Bingo, Vanilla. You hit the nail on the head.

Those left-leaning Independents are fickle voters at best, and because of it, they're not taken seriously by either Party.

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. I dont take them seriously...yet they

Think they should tell us loyal Democrats what to do meanwhile berating us for our Party loyalty.

[sadoldgirl]

51. This seems very extreme

like your usual attacks.

I may vote for 4 or 6 Democrats in my area, but not for another one or two, because I am
a democrat and not a party sheep.

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. if you call the truth extreme I guess..

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. Not a sheep at all....a Left-leaning Independent...much different.

[moriah]

81. It's interesting that you posed this question, BWB, given this post in the past:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4211336

So it's fine for people who hate Hillary to be the equivalents of PUMAs?

[boston bean]

6. Funny thing here is the most zealous Obama supporters

are the ones screaming (basically) Party Unity My Ass. I aint voting for Hillary under any circumstance, screw the party! LOL....

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. welcome to my ignore list which I reserve for posers

Pretend Democrats...who amuse me because though calling themselves one.....have no idea how Democracy works

If cannot commit to voting for whoever wins our Primary.....you are an Independent by default and definition....

[boston bean]

39. did you mean to respond to me.

if so, this is off the charts unhinged. I have not one inkling of what it is you think I've done or said. Although I'm pretty sure you got me all wrong. But continue on blissfully....

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. nope its the truth....and you know it

Did you not just claim you wont vote for our candidate if it turns out to be Hillary?

[boston bean]

45. WTF are you talking about? Re-read what I wrote where you originally responded.

You got it all wrong.

Jessum Chrissum.

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. are you going to vote for whomever wins the Primary?

[boston bean]

48. Yeah, and I'm supporting Hillary.. WTF????

You read it wrong, apologize and move on.

[VanillaRhapsody]

50. okay i take it back...I misunderstood you

[boston bean]

54. fine.

[VanillaRhapsody]

57. however easy to see how that could

Have been misconstrued...

[boston bean]

58. whatever. you attacked and didn't stop. it's over, you misread, we should move on.

[fadedrose]

96. Boston Bean has been a faithful Hillary supporter

Try to get it straight . . .Gees, she's got that big Hillary sign on all her posts....

"okay I take it back" isn't quite as good as an apology. BB has been and is a loyal Hillary supporter, and deserves to hear "I'm sorry."

[Control-Z]

62. I'm reading it wrong too.

It seemed odd coming from you - still not sure what you meant - but I was safely assuming I was reading it wrong.

[boston bean]

66. Read it in context as a response to the OP.

ie, wtf does he mean Hillary supporters claiming not to vote for EW if she is the nominee. It's non existent. It doesn't even make sense. Do you see Hillary supporters saying they won't vote for EW if she is the nominee? His whole preface is half assed backwards.

On this site now, it was many of the Obama primary supporters in 2008 who are now PUMA... ie, I won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, screw the party.

[VanillaRhapsody]

72. You are right I have NOT seen that to be the case at all...

[bahrbearian]

91. Use " quotation marks"

[backwoodsbob]

42. ROFL

you just put BB on ignore .....for saying she would support whoever wins the primary.

You seriously need to calm down and take that chip off your shoulder...You just put one of your best allies on ignore for agreeing with you

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. i might have misunderstood ..but that can be clarified

What i said was still the truth....if you cannot stand up for the party electorates decision....you are not really one of us..

[backwoodsbob]

64. what is there to clarify?

You blasted one of your best allies for agreeing with you.

You have went completely off the rails.
You seriously need to calm down.....docs have meds that can help you with your anger management

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. only because i misunderstood and i wasnt

Alone.....someone else did too...

So how about you answer one bob....You a Democrat or Independent?

[backwoodsbob]

71. I have already stated

I will support our candidate

[VanillaRhapsody]

73. Even if it is Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren?

No matter who we elect? No caveats?

[backwoodsbob]

75. if HRC wins the primary

I will be in 100%...I will knock doors for her...I will have her poster on my lawn.
If HRC wins the primary i will bust my ass to see her as the president.....I will do my damndest to stop her from winning the primary but if she wins I will be behind her 100%.

Will you do the same if she isn't our primary winner?

[VanillaRhapsody]

78. Yes as I always do....Barack Obama wasn't my choice last time.....

and I knocked on doors and made phone calls....

[Marr]

94. lol, that was classic.

[JoePhilly]

82. I support both.

My sense is the folks who hate Obama most are at the front of the "I'll never vote for Hillary" line.

[Rex]

9. LOL nobody wants to answer the question?

I see lots of dodging the question, easy enough - of course I will vote for whoever wins the primary.

[backwoodsbob]

12. same here

If HRC wins the primary i will vote for her....It's funny how the HRC cheerleaders can't say the same if she loses

[dsc]

33. what do you find funny about zero

[hrmjustin]

43. What do you think of Warren and Sanders supporters who say they can never support Hillary in a

general election?

[hrmjustin]

29. I will support the nominee.

[VanillaRhapsody]

61. hello Fellow True Democrat

Agree with you wholeheartedly ....

[moriah]

80. I'm glad you will. But I've seen lots of threats not to vote for Hillary if she was nominated.

And as I said in my response, I will vote for the nominee. I also donated as much as I could to Obama's campaign after he was declared the winner of the primary in 2008. I didn't donate anything to Hillary except my time.

[gwheezie]

13. Of course I will vote for the nominee

just like I did in 08. I voted for Hillary in my primary. Hoped she'd be the nominee didn't get mad. Thought Obama was a great choice. Volunteered in 08 and 12 to help in my small way.

[wyldwolf]

15. to backwoodsbob, are you still beating your wife?

[backwoodsbob]

25. to wyldwolf

are you still beating your husband?

[GP6971]

19. Yes. n/t

[gwheezie]

21. Bob is there a time limit?

I'm just wondering since you asked your question at 1235 and then indicated people aren't answering fast enough. Do you think we should ask this question daily? Weekly?hourly?

[wyldwolf]

27. he thinks he's being clever

But what he's actually done is show himself to be another whiny purist who doesn't know history - not even recent history.

[gwheezie]

28. To be clear I will vote for Warren

if she runs and becomes the nominee. I think she'd do a fine job as president. I would also vote for omalley, Biden, gillebrand, dean, gore, Webb, sanders and whoever else the dems may nominate. I would have a hard time with Cuomo. But I could do it if I had to.

[still_one]

30. I will support whoever the Democratic nominee is

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. unequivically yes

Thats what separates Democrats from the posers...

[baldguy]

70. +1000

[MineralMan]

35. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm a Democrat.

I will vote for, campaign for, and support whoever is the nominee of the Democratic Party. Odds are that it will be Hillary Clinton.

I never expect an ideal candidate for President. My standards are higher for the legislators from my state and national districts. Presidents are a different breed of cat altogether. They have to get elected on a nationwide basis. My state only has 10 electoral votes, so it's a minor player. OTOH, I have two Senators, one Congressional representative and two state legislators on my ballot, along with a host of other local elected officials.

For President, I support the nominee of the Democratic Party. Period.

[redstateblues]

36. Hillary supporter here. Will vote for the nominee

The 2016 election is no time for purism.

[Little Star]

40. Hear, hear!

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. second that...

[Adrahil]

38. Yes. n/t

[Control-Z]

52. What is a PUMA election?

I've never heard of that. If you can tell me what it is I might have an answer for you.

[Scootaloo]

60. In 2008, when Obama got the nomination...

Some number of Clinton supporters went a little... batshit psycho. They started screaming about black people and how Democrats hated women and all this other trash. They declared for McCain / Palin, went screaming into the wilderness. Basically revealed that at least some of Clinton's support comes from right-wing flaming turdbags who can't stand the thought of black people having authority.

Not all. And I don't think it reflects on Clinton herself. But still, it was a little fucked-up.

"PUMA" stands for "party unity my ass," or, officially, People United Means Action, the PAC these peopel came up with.

[gwheezie]

67. I think it's the one obama won

the nomination and then the presidency

[mylye2222]

56. Another PUMA ...

Not like in 2008.
But most like 2004. ...
You know the one wher Bill and Hillary while publicly supported him, stabbed the then Dem nominee in the back.....and eventually helped keep him out of another 2008 run by joigning an ugly RW bashing campain. ...all of that right before midterms in Nov 2006????

[baldguy]

68. I will support the Democratic nominee for President of the United States

In order to ensure that Republicans are defeated. Can the Hillary haters say the same? I doubt it. They're the ones saying "I hate Hillary & can't vote for her", calling for purges & litmus tests against anyone who isn't sufficiently liberal - by their own definition, of course.

40 yrs ago that sort of behavior was called "rat-fucking".

[moriah]

77. As I did in 2008, I will vote for the nominee.

How many have said they will NOT vote for Hillary if she's nominated?

More than a few, there have been threads solely dedicated to that prospect.

[HockeyMom]

79. It is the PARTY, not the Person

I voted for Hillary for my NY Senator. I did NOT vote for Hillary in Primary with Obama. Whoever is the DEM nominee, I will vote for. I do not want a REPUBLICAN President. End of story.

[Pisces]

90. If she is the nominee, I will vote for her. I probably will not donate time or money, but it's not

likely she will need my money. She has big donors lined up.