Why I want to see Senator Sanders run for the Democratic nomination for President

[cali]

No one- not Elizabeth Warren or anyone else in Congress, speaks more clearly or bluntly about the threats to our feeble democracy, than Bernie. Americans need to hear what he says.

Do I think he could win the nomination? No. But I do have some hope that he could have a real impact on the dialogue, that he could provide a "wake the fuck up" moment.

And that is no small thing.

[ladjf]

1. I totally agree with your post. nt

[cyberswede]

2. Yep - I agree. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

3. On this we agree perfectly. Bernie needs to run for exactly those reasons.

nt

[riqster]

4. In complete agreement.

It's why I supported Kucinich in the 08 primaries.

[bvar22]

10. Remember what happened to Kucinich?

He got pushed to the edge of the stage and cropped out of most of the camera shots.
He was the only candidate offering anything significantly different,
yet when it came his turn to speak,
Timmy Russert torpedoed him with a question about Flying Saucers instead of Why do you believe it would be cheaper and simpler to expand Medicare?

They would do the same to Bernie.
Still, I want him to run.

DURec

[riqster]

39. Bernie'll never be allowed to win. But Cali's right, having him in the Dem Primaries is worth it.

And yeah, Kooch got screwed.

[Old Nick]

5. K&R to Infinity

+1

[progressoid]

6. Yup. n/t

[jwirr]

7. That is basically my wish also. Another issue is that when there is more than one candidate the

debates delve deeper into the issues and in this case may force Hillary to take more than of a stand than she has so far.

[immoderate]

8. And then again he might win...

He has a credibility that might generate some surprises in the volatility of social-media influenced politics.

--imm

[Maedhros]

13. The main reason he may find it difficult to win

is all the people who have decided beforehand that he can't win.

[A Simple Game]

16. You got it exactly right. Why do people say he can't win? Is it because they

are afraid to waste their vote on him? The only way the best candidates wins is if you vote for them. If you think Sanders is the best person for the job why would you vote for someone else?

Sanders needs momentum, he won't get it if people keep saying "he is the best candidate but he can't win." He can win and if all the people that think he is so good vote for him he will!

Vote for your Country, not for a party. No more lesser of two evils.

[Maedhros]

22. People have been well-trained to accept that the will of the voters

is subordinate to the decree of Beltway Insiders.

[Dustlawyer]

31. "I'm fed up too Bernie" should be our slogan! If enough people were sick enough to stop voting for

the lesser of two evils he would win.
Bernie is the only one pushing the solution to the root cause of most of our problems, corruption of our election process by campaign money. He supports Publicly Funded Elections to take away all of the outside money used to purchase our politicians. Most of the issues today that cannot get passed are ones where the Plutocrats would take a hit, like Climate Change for example. We will never seriously address Climate Change and the environment until we regain Representative Democracy. As Bernie says, most of his colleagues represent Donors instead of their constituents.
I think we need to convince all of the Hillaryites we can that she will not do what we need done! Tall order I know, but many will do it holding their nose to keep the evil Republican from winning. I think the Plutocrats use these crazies to scare us into picking their Democratic candidate, the one they give all of the money to that is usually the favorite. Voting for Bernie would probably be the the only way not to vote for someone they own already.

[cali]

47. because we know how rigged it is.

[Scuba]

9. I agree his message is needed. I also think he can win.

The people are ready; it's the political party leadership that's holding us back.

[bvar22]

11. Agree.

"it's the political party leadership that's holding us back."

[daleanime]

17. Amen....

[MissDeeds]

152. I agree on all counts

I think people are fed up and ready to embrace a real change and a departure from the prevailing two party system.

[H2O Man]

12. I agree 100%

Recommended.

[Doctor_J]

14. on the nose. he's the only one who will call out republicans and corporatists

without watering down the truth.

[Zorra]

15. Let's make it so that he can win the nomination. Talk to people,

You might be surprised at how receptive they are to Bernie's anti-corporate message.

This is working well for me so far.

[panader0]

18. Agreed

K and R

[Liberal Lolita]

19. Staying Independant and running would be good too

By staying Independent he doesn't have to share the stage with the DNC Dems that will get the lions share of attention. Also with the backlash in this country against the 2 party system I think a good Independent candidate will have a better chance than in past elections.

[Maedhros]

23. It would be better for Bernie to knock out Hillary during the primary,

than to have to fight two Conservatives at the same time in the general.

[Liberal Lolita]

28. tiss true

I'm afraid he might not get the opportunity, if the DNC has their way. It will be a repeat of their treatment of Dean, and Kucinich.

[totodeinhere]

29. If he runs as an independant that could allow the Republican candidate to win a

three way race and we don't want that.

[appalachiablue]

20. Bernie's Best. He can handle pundits too from what I've seen. They try like Chuck Todd,

to get him talking about Hillary and he swiftly pulls them back to focus on what he wants to cover. The opposition will be heavy, even by some Dems., but in his authenticity, wisdom, and clear outspoken concern for the people and country he's the best. I'd like to see Dean, Grayson and of course Warren in the lineup or cabinet. Kucinich had the people's welfare in sight too; I hope he returns to public service in some way.

[pampango]

21. Well said, cali. n/t

[democrank]

24. The right wing of our party gets plenty of air time.

That`s why we end up debating how much golf is too much for President Obama instead of how many homeless are too many. The word "leftist" gets thrown around when discussing someone supporting basic Democratic principles. That`s how off-kilter things are right now. Our party`s centrist knob has been whacked way right which makes those fighting for old Democratic causes look like crazed fanatics by today`s standards. Lefties. Unicorn lovers. Probably even dirty hippies.

Bernie Sanders is going to straighten out this foolishness with his straight-to-the-point honesty. He not only knows how the traps work, he knows who is operating them. He`s tough, he`s right and he`s fearless. Watch how he responds when an interviewer tries to drag him into the alternate universe mainstream media so adores. He`ll set a wonderful example for many of our feckless leaders. Go Bernie!

[2banon]

63. well said!

[Maineman]

25. I agree.

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. We don't have time for longshots...

this IS a wake the fuck up moment...

[totodeinhere]

30. Yes we do have time.

The Democratic National Convention will be approximately 21 months from now. In politics that's a long time. Let Bernie try and if he flames out so be it. But his participation would be a positive thing IMO.

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. No we don't.....I don't know about you....but I see the big picture...YOU do NOT want a Republican

to have all three branches....THAT is why....

No one is stopping him from becoming a Democrat....but he won't win the Democratic Primary....

[cali]

48. conserva-corporo dems just want a conservative corporate dem. We know that's your desire

tough. bernie has every right to run as a dem. don't like it? I love that you're frightened of bernie running against your precious hill.

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. No its not...but I AM a realist....

and I lived many years in the deep South.....


who wouldn't support a candidate that CRUSHES the opposition even in their own polls?

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[Alittleliberal]

143. Kasich is the nightmare scenario

With margin of era that could be a 1 or 2 point race. If he can make it out of the primary he could thrash Hilary in the general.

[VanillaRhapsody]

150. Uh my post just says that is NO....

[Alittleliberal]

155. She is only up 4

Those polls always have at least 1-2 point margin of error. A 2 point race is a very close race 2 weeks out, let alone almost 2 years.

[VanillaRhapsody]

157. Up four?

You better look again....

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4


and its THEIR OWN POLLS!!!!

[Alittleliberal]

158. What don't you get?

Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[VanillaRhapsody]

159. Thats KASICH....IN OHIO!!!!

Good god man...read a little....

and its FOX NEWS....

[totodeinhere]

105. Right now if I had to choose I would vote for Clinton. So I am pretty much on the

same page you are. But as a Clinton supporter I also want an open competitive process with other candidates running as well. And if Bernie is one of those candidates that's fine with me. That doesn't mean I'd vote for him in the primary but I am not afraid of him either. And of course in the general I will vote for the Democrat whether it be Hillary, Bernie or someone else.

[VanillaRhapsody]

109. I just calls em like I sees them

can't help it....its the realist in me....and I want to WIN next time...

She kicks the Republicans asses....

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

[totodeinhere]

115. Regardless of what the polls are showing right now, Clinton or anyone

else needs to get the nomination first. If during the primary and caucus season polls continue to show her handily beating potential Republican candidates while other Democrats don't so as well, then that is certainly something that primary voters will need to take into consideration. But i think in the minds of many democrats electability is only one factor to consider.

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. when YOU got something better....let us know...

The rest of the pack is not out of single digits and NONE of them can claim to fame that they BEAT all Republican comers on THEIR OWN POLLS....

In the words of Kat Williams....that is a "star player".

[totodeinhere]

119. Actually many observers believe that any credible Democratic candidate can win in 2016.

The Electoral College is stacked against the Republicans.

The Blue Wall is block of states that no Republican Presidential candidate can realistically hope to win. Tuesday that block finally extended to New Hampshire, meaning that at the outset of any Presidential campaign, a minimally effective Democratic candidate can expect to win 257 electoral votes without even trying. That’s 257 out of the 270 needed to win.

So if this is true why not nominate the candidate who is closest to our own ideals since almost any Democrat can win anyway?

http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/

[VanillaRhapsody]

120. do they have lots and lots of polls to prove that?

or is it just conjecture....because I have the polls...

their polls in fact...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

by they way....the spread between her and the rest of the pack....50+

[cali]

49. it's shameful that anyone thinks that Hillary should have no challenge. disgustingly

anti-democratic.

[Douglas Carpenter]

50. they seem to consider ANY talk of supporting ANYONE but Hillary is intentionally trying to sabotage

the party. A couple posters even came right out and said on one thread that Elizabeth Warren supporters don't really support her - they are operatives trying to cause dissension. These people are as kooky as Fox News.

[cali]

52. and it's interesting that they so frightened of anyone challenging their adored one.

[HappyMe]

66. That is an interesting point.

As much as they say that Republicans are afraid of the precious Clinton, they seem to be afraid of anyone taking her on. Particularly somebody as strong as Sanders.

[Autumn]

27. Bernies massage is one that resonates with the voters. I post things on FB that Bernie says and

end them with the Independent Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont. Even my republican friends and family members click like on those posts.

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. then why isn't his approval ratings more than single digits?

if he is "resonating" with them....I guess perhaps he is just resonating with HER Facebook friends then huh?

and besides....if the last election tells you anything....people do not necessarily vote for issues the way they vote for candidates...

[Autumn]

35. Hi, nice to see you.

again

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. I'm sure...

[Jim Lane]

40. Because Autumn doesn't have 100 million Facebook friends

Most Americans get their news from the corporate media, which obviously prefer Clinton to Sanders.

In a quick search I wasn't able to find any approval/disapproval poll ratings for Sanders. Lacking data, I'll hazard a wild guess that he'd get something like 8 percent approve, 5 percent disapprove, with the rest not knowing enough to venture an opinion. If that's so, then the comparative polls at this stage, with Clinton far ahead of any other prospect for the Democratic nomination, are based heavily on name recognition.

The bad news for Sanders is that he starts out way behind on name recognition, which is a big advantage Clinton has. The good news for him is that, if he and Clinton are the only serious contenders in the race, he'll get a lot more attention. (The media don't like leftists but they do like a good story. "Clinton continues to coast to coronation" wouldn't be as much fun as "Here's the latest on the Clinton-Sanders dogfight.&quot

Sanders wouldn't be campaigning based on Whitewater or Benghazi or any other such drivel. If he runs, he'll be emphasizing progressive ideas. Then we'll see how much those ideas resonate with the public.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. Most Democrats prefer Clinton...64%!

It was all the rage on DU last week to jump for joy that Bernie Sanders got 8% approval ratings....while Hillary had 64%. All the other potential contenders had single digits EXCEPT for her.

We already know that she polls ahead of ALL Republicans too...including Jeb Bush.

[Jim Lane]

42. Sorry, but you have your facts wrong.

Unless you know about some poll I haven't seen, in which case I invite you to post a link.

It may surprise you to learn that I had heard about the comparative polls that I mentioned in my post -- those in which respondents are asked to pick one person as their choice for the nomination. Of course I'm being sarcastic when I say it might surprise you. You post that statistic over and over and over and over and over.

Your mantra poll, however, does not say that Sanders has an 8% approval rating. It says that he's the first choice of 8% of the respondents. That's different.

Sanders's message isn't resonating with a lot of people because a lot of them haven't heard his message. If, over a sustained period of time, Sanders gets the kind of attention from the corporate media that Clinton already gets, his approval and disapproval ratings will both climb. One will probably climb more. Then and only then will we know if his message is resonating.

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Right here...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/10/romney-leads-scattered-2016-gop-field-clinton-still-dominates-the-democratic-race/

Romney Leads Scattered 2016 GOP Field, Clinton Still Dominates the Democratic Race

and there is this (pretty consistent among Democrats)




and she has been named "America's most admired woman" 18 times!

[Jim Lane]

44. As I said, you have your facts wrong.

The graph you post shows the favorability rating for Clinton over several years. Better than just favorable would be favorable and unfavorable, because analysts often look at the net (be it positive or negative) as one important datum about a politician, but this graph is at least something.

What you have NOT posted is the comparable data (historical or even just current) for Sanders. The point is that "Bernie Sanders is the first choice of 8% of the Democrats" is not the same as "Bernie Sanders got 8% approval ratings." I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats who would say "Approve" rather than "Disapprove" about Clinton and Biden and Warren and Sanders.

Until I see hard polling data, I'll persist in my guess that Sanders has very low numbers for approval and for disapproval -- much lower than Clinton's in both cases. The current state of the polls reflects candidates' name recognition. The key question is where Sanders's net will be, compared with Clinton's, if his name recognition increases. (Of course, a related question is whether the corporate media will ever allow Sanders's name recognition to increase much.)

[VanillaRhapsody]

45. As I have proven...no I don't..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html


and here is all of them....Sanders at 2.5% behind Cuomo!

You were saying?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls

50+ point spread.....you a betting man?

[Jim Lane]

46. You give no indication of having read my posts.

You read far enough to see that I'm not falling to my knees before the Hillary Inevitability Juggernaut, and, having ascertained that, you go on autopilot with the same stuff you post incessantly.

This is the last time I'll say it: There is a difference between a poll that compares candidates, asking which one the respondent would prefer for a nomination or election, and a poll that asks the respondents if they approve or disapprove (or have a favorable or unfavorable opinion) of each candidate. You incessantly post polls of the first type, but in this thread you've characterized the results as if the polls were of the second type.

Am I a betting man? As it happens, I am. My bet here (if I hadn't let you past-post me by disclosing it) would be that you'll respond to my argument by again ignoring what I actually wrote, re-re-reposting your beloved poll results, and adding that the polls "prove" that Clinton would be the strongest candidate in the general. You'll also ignore anyone who points out that these polls are two years before the election.

If you take this course, you won't even have to ignore me, because I won't bother responding. You may have the last word. Enjoy.

[djean111]

53. She has her script to follow. And the objective is becoming more clear - no primary.

The tactics used do not work, they will not work, if the aim is to get a group of Democrats like DU to completely fall in line, in the no primary camp. But the doggedness is impressive.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Where have I ever said "no Primary"

patently ridiculous....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls

RCP Average 6/24 - 10/12 --
Clinton 63.4
Biden 11.4
Warren 9.8
Cuomo 3.5
Sanders 2.5
O'Malley 1.5
Webb 1.5

Overall Clinton +52.0


Now you were saying about me???

And are you covering that spread???

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. I don't need to read screeds....I have polls to show my position....you have words..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls

[djean111]

62. If Hillary is such a shoo-in - why do you need to hijack threads and repeat your screeds ad nauseum?

Why not just relax and watch her beat everybody else in the primaries?
What is your point? We know what your position is.
Your point seems to be that no one else should think of running.
Oh, and I will not continue this "conversation" into another boring and pointless hijack.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. Well the numbers don't lie do they....its what Bill Clinton said..."Arithmetic"

there are dozens of polls there...all showing the same damn thing....Hillary is FAR ahead of the pack.

You covering the spread by the way?

[cali]

69. the numbers are a snapshot, not an enduring truth.

I know that may be a bit beyond your grasp, but try to understand it. Here let me help you, vanilla: In 2006 your adored hilly, was far ahead of the pack. Guess what, vanilla? she wasn't the nominee, vanilla.

[VanillaRhapsody]

70. did you look at the link?

that is a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG snapshot!

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. Guess what...THIS is NOT 2006!

keep grasping....

I have numbers on my side....and lots and lots of polls with a trend line that doesn't seem to be moving!

[Autumn]

74. She may be the nominee cali, but she won't be President.

Hillary is a continuation and people are fed up with the status quo. The sad thing is that a republican will probably be elected.

[VanillaRhapsody]

77. Funny that....Republicans DO NOT poll higher than Hillary!

Apparently "the people" are NOT fed up with HRC......the polls definitely show that you are full of it!

[Autumn]

80. Your 64 percent is a nice number. In the here and now. What it will be, remains to be seen.

Hillary will not win, even if she gets the democratic nomination. Bernie 2016!!!!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. Its a really nice number when your next closest competitor is only 11%

oh and Bernie....he has a measly 2.5%!!!!!



Mathematics are your friend...ask Nate Silver!

[LondonReign2]

98. This time in 2006

Hillary's lead was also insurmountable. Oh, and Giuliani lead amongst Republicans.

[Autumn]

65. She will ignore anything you say, she will go off on a rant that has nothing to do with your

post and call YOU the liar if you don't conceded that Hillary and the ACA are the alpha and the omega of whatever her pet issue seems to be for the day. You may like some issue that she is berating DUers about but that will be ignored just so she can tear into you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5829687

she will follow you and stalk you from thread to thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5830249 start reading here and go down

[djean111]

68. She is doing the HRC cause a lot more harm than good.

And won't admit the end game is no primaries because Hillary is just so awesome!!!!!! Except, it seems, at primaries.....
As far as her tearing into me - pffffth! Comical at best.

[VanillaRhapsody]

75. No denial is your game.....

I am not saying she is Awesome....I AM saying she IS POPULAR!!!!

Again are you covering the spread?

[VanillaRhapsody]

72. AND I provide proof...

what do you have besides words on a screen?

[Autumn]

76. What's this I see V nilla?? Why, tis words on a screen......

nothing more

[VanillaRhapsody]

78. Polls....polls polls and more polls....DOZENS of them....

the people appear to agree with ME not you...



read em and weep!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls

[Autumn]

84. I don't weep, I see no need to weep. This is the here and now

Nov 18, 2014. Two years is a lifetime in polls. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Elizabeth Warren changed her mind and decided to run? maybe when Bernie switches to a Dem so he can run in the primary Liz and Bernie can hook up!!!! What do you think Hillary's poll numbers will be then V nilla? WILL you vote for the Democratic nominees?

[VanillaRhapsody]

85. right....you keep hanging your hat on that....its not exactly Scientific methodology is it?

I BELIEVE I will get a pony in the mail today!


about as scientific as YOU are....

weren't you the one that JUST said..."the people are fed up"? Who did YOU poll?

again are you willing to cover that spread?

[Autumn]

88. Sandwich spread? Never touch the stuff V nilla

I didn't do a poll But here's a poll for you


http://www.gallup.com/poll/179426/new-enrollment-period-starts-aca-approval.aspx

37%

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. Vegas spread...

that is the ACA not Hillary Clinton...DUH!

Why are you cheering about the ACA having low approval ratings? Are you no longer a Democrat?


Your underwear is showing....

[Autumn]

97. Nonsense, this is about whatever I want it to be. YOU are not a Democrat. I can tell by your lack

of concern on those devestating POLL numbers. OMG if only it were 64%



37% !!!!!!!!




Of course it is early yet

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. I did not say I wasn't concerned...what I said was it has NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton

and only a NON Democrat would cheer about those polling numbers...as YOU are....

[WorseBeforeBetter]

146. Damn. Only 37% approve of the ACA?

I didn't realize the overall number was that low!

[Autumn]

86. Oh my goodness here's a Gallup poll that will upset you so terribly much, but it's a POLL

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179426/new-enrollment-period-starts-aca-approval.aspx

What's that you say 37%???????? But it's a POLL

[VanillaRhapsody]

87. the ACA? No not surprised at alll...Are you against that too?

what does the ACA have to do with Hillary Clinton and 2016? Do you want the ACA to fail? Are you a Republican that cheers at the demise of the ACA? No Democrat I know would cheer that....

You are really starting to sound unhinged and less and less like a Democrat....

[Autumn]

90. Oops here's another poll

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179345/democratic-party-favorable-rating-falls-record-low.aspx Well it's early yet so those silly poll numbers will change


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5829599 Oops bet you didn't read that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

91. and here is the historical data....

[VanillaRhapsody]

92. and by the way...that is the same fucking poll!

perceptive you are not....

Why would a "so-called Democrat" be happy that the ACA has low approval ratings?

Your underwear is still showing by the way....

[Autumn]

94. What's that you say??? Mayhap I didn't read...

the post either.

[VanillaRhapsody]

95. right...of course you didn't

because it sure doesn't make YOU look good...

Perhaps you would like to know what ACTUAL Democrats think about the ACA...



your Democratic cred is slipping....

[LondonReign2]

93. Her job is not to read posts

her job is to tie of the conversation so no consideration can be given of anybody but The Chosen One.

[VanillaRhapsody]

96. my job is to provide PROOF.....perhaps you have heard of it?

and that is EXACTLY what I did......

[Autumn]

99. As I have so demonstrated

you called it just so,

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. You have demonstrated that you are most likely not a Democrat....

thanks for proving my point...

Only a non democrat would cheer for the low approval of the ACA as YOU have....and continue to do....


DEMOCRATS overwhelmingly support the ACA....AND 70% of those that actually used the Exchange LOVE it!

[Autumn]

102. Oh dear. Did I cheer?

Oh V Nilla did you see what I did there??? I made a little tiny poem. But I digress. The POLLS show the ACA only has a 37% approval. Did you not read the post where I posted that poll? I used Gallup the one you seem to love. Now I'm sad.




well it is early yet so I'm almost positive those numbers will change. As time goes by. Oh that reminds me of a song. I'll see if I can find it

[VanillaRhapsody]

103. Yes you did....that you brought it into a conversation about HRC just puts icing on it...

And here is a new poll for ya....how Hillary beats Republicans...even in THEIR polls...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[Autumn]

104. Oh you go girl! I can't seem to find the one for say

the fall of 2015. Do you have a link for that one? I so want to see how well Hillary does then.

[VanillaRhapsody]

106. because you GOT nothing to say...

only an idiot would run a different candidate...... when they have THOSE stats against the opposition....

[Autumn]

111. Now see, there you go again. I did say something, here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5834076

You know I just don't think you are reading my posts. That hurts me deeply. I don't think we can be friends anymore if you continue to do this.

[VanillaRhapsody]

112. You say nothing...you are just silly....that is all...

and in denial

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[Autumn]

113. I am not in denial! Words hurt V nilla. Our friendship is over

I think that's for the best. We are just in different zones, I'm in a progressive zone and the future zone and you are in the now. We see where we are in say the fall of 2015 and see if we can rebuild our friendship then.

I will whisper a fond adieu to you my dear dear friend.

[VanillaRhapsody]

114. You ARE in denial.....

and I am not friends with Left Leaning Independents on DU if they do not support whomever wins OUR the Democratic Primary winner whomever that is...soooooo No big loss...

[Autumn]

117. No my dear friend, don't try to talk me into staying with our friendship

it's just gotten so bad and it kind of ruin the sweet goodye I posted to you, and I think that's a rather shitty thing for you to do. But that just doesn't suprise me one bit. We will see what happens with our friendship when summer is over and the fall POLLS are out in like say, 2015? Maybe then we can find a touch of this great friendship we have shared had endured and build on that.

again I whisper a fond adieu to you my dear dear friend.

[VanillaRhapsody]

118. like I said...not your friend...dear or other wise...

[Autumn]

121. See my dear dear friend, some friendships are just like polls this far out.

They don't mean a fucking thing. I don't want to be your friend anymore.

[VanillaRhapsody]

122. friendships require two people....now your apparent unrequited love for me is a different matter..

not interested.....

[Autumn]

123. I'm not your friend.

I'm not. I will not be your friend any longer

[VanillaRhapsody]

124. No you aren't.....

[Autumn]

127. Don't beg me. I won't be your friend.

No I won't

[VanillaRhapsody]

128. the feeling is mutual...

[Autumn]

129. My CHOICE is not to be friends with a person who does not appreciate

the work and effort that goes into maintaining this high maintenance friendship. You have not put any effort into this friendship. I will not tolerate it any longer. Our friendship is ended. It's done.

[VanillaRhapsody]

130. ...

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4


Hillary Clinton on Abortion

Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
Consistently uses Dem. Party line, "safe, legal, and rare". (Mar 2008)
1974: pro-choice fervency not based on any personal abortion. (Jul 2007)
1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
1999: keep abortion safe, legal & rare into next century. (Jul 2007)
Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases. (Jun 2007)
1993:Early action on abortion rights ended Right’s dominance. (Jun 2007)
Personally would never abort; but deeply values choice. (Jun 2007)
Abortion is a sad, tragic choice to many women. (May 2007)
Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too. (Nov 2006)
Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
Partial birth exceptions for life-threatening abnormalities. (Apr 2006)
Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania. (Nov 2003)
Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)
Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Cairo Document: right to abortion but not as family planning. (Sep 1996)
No abortion for sex selection in China. (Apr 1996)

Voting Record

Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

[Autumn]

131. You know if you want to support Liz we could be friends again.

We can spend her whole Presidency being dear friends who chat about all the wonderful things she will do. Something for you to think about....

[VanillaRhapsody]

132. ...

Hillary Clinton on Budget & Economy

Government action to tackle recession, not tax cuts. (Feb 2008)
The economy is not working for middle class families. (Jan 2008)
We need immediate relief for home heating & housing crisis. (Jan 2008)
No evidence as to how Obama would pay for new programs. (Jan 2008)
Foreclosure moratorium mitigates agony; doesn’t prolong it. (Jan 2008)
90-day moratorium on foreclosures; freeze interest rates. (Jan 2008)
Call for a moratorium on housing foreclosures for 90 days. (Jan 2008)
Freeze mortgage interest rates for five years. (Jan 2008)
Look back to 1990s to see how I’d be fiscally responsible. (Dec 2007)
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks. (Aug 2007)
Balanced budget replaced with rising costs & falling wages. (Jun 2007)
2000: Eight years of a great economy is not enough. (Jan 2007)
Last six years were challenging; let’s try a new direction. (Oct 2006)
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005. (Oct 2006)
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium. (Oct 2000)
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)
Stimulate upstate economy by more local decision-making. (Sep 2000)
Supports Niagara casino, but prefers job creation strategy. (Sep 2000)
Protect next generation by paying off national debt. (Aug 2000)
We have outlived the usefulness of Bretton Woods. (Jun 1999)
The economy creates consumers but cannot create citizens. (Jun 1999)
Invest in people instead of “smokestack chasing”. (Feb 1997)

Voting Record

Voted to limit credit card interest to 30%. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Consistently against making bankruptcy stricter. (Jan 2008)
2005 bankruptcy bill was by big credit cards & lenders. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. (Dec 2007)
Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy. (Feb 2008)

[Autumn]

133. I'll wait while you think it through. But try this out. Liz/ Bernie 2016!

Now that's a team! Just think about it. I'll wait

[VanillaRhapsody]

134. ...

Hillary Clinton on Civil Rights

Women in Public Service Project: 50% of officials by 2050. (Nov 2013)
1998: Hillary predicted female President in near future. (Oct 2007)
1962: met MLK Jr. preaching a sermon in Chicago. (Jul 2007)
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go. (Jun 2007)
1995: Politely criticized China’s human rights. (Jun 2007)
Developmental thread: tragedy of race must be made right. (Jun 2007)
Pushing for privacy bill of rights. (Jun 2006)
1972: Worked with Edelman on school desegregation in South. (Nov 2003)
Professional woman AND hostess; feminist AND traditionalist. (Nov 2003)
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now. (Oct 2000)
Crack down on sex trafficking of women and girls. (Jan 2000)
Human rights are women’s rights. (Jan 2000)
Women’s rights are human rights. (Dec 1999)
Support National Endowment for the Arts. (Feb 1997)
Sex selection, prostitution & war rape: human rights issues. (Sep 1995)
Women's suffrage was 72-year struggle, but not a shot fired. (Sep 1993)

Affirmative Action

OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism". (Aug 2009)
Heads movement of women looking to America's true promise. (Aug 2009)
Equal pay is not yet equal. (Jan 2008)
MLK recognized that working within the system was necessary. (Jan 2008)
Compiled “Handbook on Legal Rights for Arkansas Women”. (Nov 2007)
Hillary wanted Bill’s cabinet to “Look Like America”. (Oct 2007)
Founded Vital Voices Initiative with Madeleine Albright. (Sep 2007)
1965: brought black classmates to all-white church. (Jul 2007)
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA. (Jun 2007)
Create a pipeline for more women in leadership. (Oct 2005)
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action. (Oct 2005)
First chair of ABA Commission on Women and the Profession. (Aug 1999)
Raised issues of gender compensation gap at 1970s Rose Law. (Nov 1997)
Affirmative living: involve entire village against racism. (Sep 1996)

Gay Rights

DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union. (Jun 2013)
I support gay marriage personally and as law. (Mar 2013)
Telling kids about gay couples is parental discretion. (Sep 2007)
Positive about civil unions, with full equality of benefits. (Aug 2007)
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds. (Aug 2007)
GLBT progress since 2000, when I marched in gay pride parade. (Aug 2007)
Supports DOMA, which Bill Clinton signed. (Jul 2007)
Don’t ask don’t tell was an important transition step. (Jun 2007)
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex. (May 2007)
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards. (Oct 2006)
Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight. (Nov 2003)
End hate crimes and other intolerance. (Sep 2000)
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits. (Feb 2000)
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation. (Dec 1999)

Voting Record

Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning. (Jan 2010)
Op-ed: Sposnored flag-burning bill for centrist credential. (May 2006)
Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all. (Aug 2000)
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees. (Dec 2007)
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements. (Jan 2008)

[Autumn]

135. It's okay. I'll wait until you think things through. I'm in no hurry

2016 is still way out there.

[VanillaRhapsody]

136. ...

Hillary Clinton on Corporations

Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Angry at unacceptable acquiescence to greed in the 1980s. (Jun 1994)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

[Autumn]

137. Are you thinking about it? Liz/Bernie 2016. Hell of a team there.

It fact it would be historical. An Independent and a Democrat on the same ticket! WOW I don't know about you but that just sends chills all over me!

[VanillaRhapsody]

138. ...

Hillary Clinton on Drugs

Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use. (Jun 2014)
Reduce sentencing disparity for crack, but not retroactively. (Dec 2007)
1969: held herself aloof from college drug counterculture. (Jul 2007)
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison. (Jun 2007)
Gov. Clinton implicated in his brother Roger’s drug arrest. (Feb 2004)
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts. (Oct 2000)
Ambiguous reports of 1960s college alcohol & drug use. (Aug 1999)
Involved parents most influential in reducing teen drug use. (Sep 1996)
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine. (Jun 2007)
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use. (Sep 2007)

[Autumn]

140. Okay so Bernie/Liz 2016 work any better? I can see where you might have reservation about Liz

being at the top of the ticket, but I'm flexible about it. Both would work well.

[Buns_of_Fire]

141. Have y'all ever considered taking this "on the road," so to speak?

Or at least SNL? It's priceless!

[Autumn]

144. You know I hope I'm wrong but I don't think my friendship is valued.

I have extended olive branch after olive branch and they are not accepted. In fact they are thrown back in my face.
start reading here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5831663

and yet another olive branch clubbing me over the head.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=387257


I could go on but it does give me great pain. So no I don't think my ex dear friend and I will be going anywhere together.


But one must understand that this far out, friendship's, much the same as polls are meaningless until time passes and we find that like sands through the hourglass a couple of years have passed and BOOM it's 2016 and a beautiful friendship has been sacrificed on the alter of meaninglessness .

[Buns_of_Fire]

145. 'Tis a pity, but I understand. Like Vladimir and Estragon... nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

147. ...

Hillary Clinton on Education

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s. (Jun 2013)
OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s. (Jun 2013)
Parents are a child’s first teachers. (Jan 2008)
Get more teachers into hard-to-serve areas. (Nov 2007)
Hillary emphasized education reform without political agenda. (Oct 2007)
We have not yet reached consensus on education reform. (Sep 2007)
1986: HIPPY program empowers parents as kids' first teach. (Sep 2007)
Universal pre-kindergarten; and make family the best school. (Aug 2007)
Working families cannot participate in school between 9 & 3. (Jul 2007)
It takes a village; American village has failed our children. (Jun 2007)
Establish right to education from pre-school thru college. (Jun 2007)
Early education affects things from IQ to lifelong earnings. (Dec 2006)
2001: Proposed and passed National Teacher Corps. (Dec 2006)
Teacher testing only for new teachers. (Oct 2000)
Testing only new teachers respects professionalism. (Oct 2000)
Hold kids to high standards, starting at home. (Jul 1999)
Teachers need more peer consulting & more recognition. (Jul 1999)
Social promotion cheats our children. (Jul 1999)
More after-school; smaller classes. (Jul 1999)
Read to young kids 20-30 minutes daily. (Jul 1999)
Entire school staff should focus on school safety. (Jul 1999)
Metal detectors at school are not much of an intrusion. (Jun 1999)
Arts education is needed in our schools. (Sep 1998)
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs. (Apr 1998)
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction. (Sep 1996)
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline. (Sep 1996)
Supports Goals 2000: hardly the stuff of revolution. (Sep 1996)
Supports structured inner-city schools, with uniforms. (May 1996)
1960s: Taught reading in poor Boston neighborhoods. (Aug 1993)

Arkansas Ed Reform

AR Ed Reform taught that there is a place for testing. (Sep 2007)
Sent Chelsea to public schools in Arkansas, but not DC. (Jul 2007)
1983: Teacher testing as part of AR education reform. (Jun 2007)
1983: AR reforms fixed unconstitutional school financing. (Jun 2004)
AR Reform plan pushed mandatory teacher testing. (Nov 2003)
Arkansas education: improvement against great odds. (Oct 2000)
Pushed teacher testing in Arkansas. (Dec 1999)
AR ed reform: mandate kindergarten, no social promotion. (Dec 1999)
1983: Challenged low education expectations. (Aug 1999)
1993: Public accepted First Lady as education reformer. (Aug 1999)
Long journey for reform, not isolated initiatives. (Jun 1994)
HIPPY: Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youngsters. (Aug 1993)
Passing illiterate students is educational fraud. (Sep 1983)

Education Funding

End predatory student college loan rates over 20%. (Apr 2008)
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms. (Dec 2007)
Incentive pay for school wide performance. (Aug 2007)
Transfer tax cuts from rich & corporations to student aid. (Jun 2006)
Reforms: teacher corps; more federal funding; modernize. (Sep 2000)
Opposes merit pay for individual teachers. (Apr 2000)
Supports merit pay for entire schools. (Apr 2000)
Scholarships for teachers who go to urban schools. (Mar 2000)
Increase resources to meet increased standards. (Mar 2000)
Address teacher shortage with salary increases. (Jul 1999)

School Choice

Total change in No Child Left Behind. (Aug 2007)
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial. (Oct 2006)
More teachers, smaller classes, no vouchers. (Oct 2000)
Vouchers would take money from public schools. (Oct 2000)
Vouchers drain money from public schools. (Sep 2000)
Vouchers will not improve our public schools. (Jul 1999)
Let’s build up our schools-not tear them down. (Jul 1999)
Charter schools provide choice within public system. (Jul 1999)
Charters meet needs of failing public school students. (Aug 1998)
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources. (Aug 1998)
Parents can choose, but support public schools. (Feb 1997)
Supports public school choice and charter schools. (Sep 1996)

Voting Record

Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice. (Aug 2000)
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes. (Dec 2003)

[Autumn]

148. So you still thinking about it or what?

Damn, it's hard to get along with you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

149. ...

Hillary Clinton on Energy & Oil

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation. (Jun 2014)
Get tough with energy speculators and with OPEC cartel. (May 2008)
Gas tax holiday, paid for by windfall oil tax. (May 2008)
GovWatch: Gas tax holiday saves $8B; but that’s 64 cents/day. (May 2008)
Investigate gas price manipulation; add windfall profits tax. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, FTC is investigating gas price manipulation. (Apr 2008)
Cap-and-trade as president; compact fluorescents at home. (Apr 2008)
$650 for help with energy bills to those who can’t afford it. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Oil & gas giveaways stripped from final 2005 Bill. (Jan 2008)
Investigate & move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Oct 2007)
Opposes Yucca Mountain; earthquake fault goes under it. (Sep 2007)
Led delegation, with McCain, to see effects of polar warming. (Sep 2007)
Invest in alternative energy; jobs that won’t be outsourced. (Aug 2007)
End Big Oil tax break; $50 billion for strategic energy fund. (Jul 2007)
Agnostic about nuclear power until waste & cost issue solved. (Jul 2007)
FactCheck: There was no Big Oil tax break under Bush-Cheney. (Jul 2007)
Energy Independence 2020: $50B for Strategic Energy Fund. (Jun 2007)
Extensive funding into alternative energy. (Jun 2007)
Will make big oil fund alternative energy research. (Feb 2007)
$50B strategic energy fund from taxing oil companies. (Oct 2006)
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us. (Jun 2006)
Need to move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Jan 2006)
Supports oil reserve release & fund conservation. (Oct 2000)

Voting Record

Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)

[Autumn]

151. Oh come on V nilla, you arent even trying.

[LondonReign2]

153. Bots gotta bot

[VanillaRhapsody]

156. ...

Hillary Clinton on Families & Children

Our generation is blessed by extra years with aging parents. (May 2014)
Grew AR Children's Hospital to one of nation's 10 largest. (Sep 2007)
Struggling families are invisible to Bush administration. (Aug 2007)
1980s: her church founded largest daycare in Arkansas. (Jul 2007)
Family planning & child spacing is international human right. (Jul 2007)
Mother’s difficult childhood sparked concern for kids. (Dec 2006)
OpEd: "It Takes A Village" really means big government. (Apr 2006)
Teen abstinence is the right thing to do. (Oct 2005)
"It Takes a Village" implies family as part of society. (Nov 2003)
Even welfare children are better off with their parents. (Nov 2003)
Caution in treating preschoolers with psychiatric drugs. (Mar 2000)
Parents’ dedication improves kids’ lives. (Jan 2000)
Boycott violent media and products. (Aug 1999)
Send message: It is the job of children to learn. (Jul 1999)
Help “sandwiched” parents care for elderly plus kids. (Jan 1999)
More funds for after-school programs. (Nov 1998)
Keep kids busy from 2PM to 8 PM to avoid trouble. (Nov 1998)
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence. (Apr 1998)
Teens not ready for sex; provide havens for alternatives. (Sep 1996)
Change what kids see in the media. (Jun 1995)
Men should be full participants in child-raising. (May 1994)
Improving women's lives improves children's lives. (Sep 1993)
1973: Legal parallels between marriage and slavery. (Aug 1993)
No tea and cookies for her, but no insult intended. (Jul 1992)

Child Law

Served as chairman of the Children's Defense Fund. (Oct 2007)
Support new parents to promote healthy child development. (Sep 2007)
For teens, not about birth control, but about self-control. (Jul 2007)
1970s: “I want to be a voice for America’s children”. (Jun 2007)
Supported foster care adoptions as First Lady & as Senator. (Dec 2006)
I've spent 30 years worrying about impact of media on kids. (Oct 2005)
Critics misinterpret 70s article on "Children Under the Law". (Feb 2004)
1974 article: put abused children into state care. (Nov 2003)
Leave politics out of Elian decision. (Apr 2000)
Governments can’t love child; but it can help families. (Apr 2000)
Decide Elian’s fate via ongoing INS legal process. (Apr 2000)
Treat kids as “child citizens” not “minors” under the law. (Dec 1999)
No dividing line between government vs. parents & children. (Dec 1999)
Early-warning hotlines for homicidal & suicidal students. (Jul 1999)
Expand Family and Medical Leave Act. (Aug 1998)
Raised issues of maternity leave at 1980s Rose Law. (Nov 1997)
Family Leave Act is a good start; paid leave better. (Sep 1996)
Against social service agency interference in families. (Aug 1993)
1970s: Learned child law theory at CDF and at Yale. (Aug 1993)
1973: Researched "Beyond the Best Interest of the Child". (Aug 1993)
1973: Create legal scale of graduated maturity for children. (Aug 1993)
1979: Child's future shouldn't be unilaterally by parents. (Aug 1993)

It Takes a Village

A family is a child’s first school. (Oct 2007)
Hillary’s “village” criticized as Big Government. (May 2007)
Chelsea benefited from “village” & from two parents. (Dec 2006)
It takes a village to raise a child, in interdependent world. (Dec 2006)
It Takes a Village and a president who believes. (Sep 2005)
Leave no child behind; it still takes a village. (Aug 2000)
Community support is key to valuing families. (Dec 1999)
Society is responsible for alienation that causes violence. (Jun 1999)
“It Takes a Village” is about relationships, not geography. (Oct 1996)
Children are not rugged individualists. (Sep 1996)
Give parents tools to balance work and family. (Aug 2000)
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record. (Dec 2003)
Ban high lead levels in children's toys. (Nov 2005)
Sponsored bill against renting violent video games to kids. (Dec 2005)
Call for a White House Conference on Children and Youth. (Mar 2008)

[LondonReign2]

154. Bernie Sanders

[cali]

125. irony is entirely lost on you, vanilla dear.

[VanillaRhapsody]

126. maybe....but facts and figures aren't (unlike some around here...)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[Autumn]

108. I have demonstrated that you are most likely not a Democrat....

You have shown NO concern what so ever about the 37% approval rating that the ACA currently has in the Gallup poll that I posted in an earlier reply to you for you. You don't care at all.

But I can't call you an Independent V nilla because I don't think you love Bernie like I do. You know Democrats love Bernie, he caucuses with them. That you don't support and love Bernie makes me sad, so I'm just gonna go with you are most likely not a Democrat.... too

[VanillaRhapsody]

110. I support whoever wins the Primary...YOU cheered the low approval ratings AND

Somehow thought that has something to do with the fact that HRC polls ahead of EVERYONE!!!

What was I supposed to do about the ACA? Stop supporting the Democratic Frontrunner that kicks all Republican ass even int THEIR polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4[/b


Let us Democrats know when you have someone that can do better than ^^^ that in THEIR OWN polls!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

142. ....

[kentuck]

34. cali, sorry I missed your post...

I just posted a supplementary on the same subject.

kick and rec

[WillyT]

37. Either Way Or Both...

I just want somebody on the debate stage who makes HRC explain her Liberal/Progressive/Populist credentials.





Hell... Sherrod Brown, Keith Ellison, Al Franken, etc. etc...

[AdHocSolver]

38. The Republicans gain support by attacking all government as bring ineffectual.

Then the Republicans run on a platform that diminishes the ability of government to maintain or implement policies that would be beneficial to a majority of the people.

The Democratic politicians run away from explaining why and how Republican policies subvert the welfare of the majority, essentially tacitly agreeing with the Republicans on the issues...and then wondering why people "vote against their own self-interest."

Democrats, wherever they are running for office, should be advocating a populist agenda based on Democratic values in order to differentiate themselves from the Republicans and their deviousness and hypocrisy.

[AngryOldDem]

51. Could not agree more.

This country is in GREAT need of a "wake the fuck up" moment.

[Vinca]

54. I agree 100% and I would vote for him in the primary.

It's highly unlikely he would win the nomination, but he could certainly drag the agenda to the left. If anything has been noted by the 2014 election, Democrats don't get elected by masquerading as Republicans.

[Iggo]

55. Rec'd for "Senator Sanders."

[Tatiana]

56. I agree. And I'll take it a step further... he will get my vote in a primary.

I don't understand why everyone is so afraid of Hillary being challenged. We need Bernie's voice in the upcoming election. We also need someone to speak the damn truth to the brainwashed masses.

He has an authenticity that cannot be easily dismissed. People will listen to what he has to say.

[MineralMan]

57. Well, if he's on the primary ballot in Minnesota, I will vote for him.

I'll also caucus for him at the conventions. I've written that here on DU several times. I hope he runs.

[L0oniX]

59. Problem is to get the 1% owned mainstream media to publish what he says and asks.

[Peacetrain]

61. I am reccing this with reservations..

First.. Senator Sanders has to become a Democrat.. he does caucus with the Democrats, but he must change his registration..

With that, he will have the party with him.. and that is good and bad for someone who is looking for change.

Because.. as he is now.. as an Independent..he has a huge voice.. once he declares himself a Democrat, and part of the Democratic party.. He will then be subject to attacks far more brutal on his positions than he has to deal with now.. and they will not all come from the far right..Being part of a large party.. means baggage comes with it..

Cali, you have to be strong for that.. because it is brutal.. and you can come back with all the reason in the world.. but it does not always pan out..

Your wish, might actually do more harm to the voice that Bernie Sanders has now..

Just something to think about..

Bullies who try to minimalism those who they do not agree with come in all shades of the political spectrum..

Saying all that,, I like Bernie Sanders and he speaks truth to power many times.. that is why I rec with reservations..

[cali]

79. I agree that he has to run as a democrat or it's pointless

I don't agree he'll have the party with him if he does declare himself as a dem, nor do I see why he'd be subject to far more brutal attacks as a dem than as an independent. what evidence of that do you see?

I don't think bernie's voice will be harmed if he runs as a dem. at all.

[Peacetrain]

83. Well lets just say

I have spent the last 6 years defending my choice.. against some pretty stiff attacks, that many times were made up out of thin air..

The idea that someone outside of the larger party frame could not win.. we took it on and the Obama campaign won..

Its doable.. but you have to be willing to stand up against some pretty stiff winds.. trust me on this.

And running a campaign that big.. means money.. and that gets pretty ugly.. it means corporate support.. along with the money that those of us on the ground try and contribute..

If he is going to run.. he needs to jump in pretty soon and start lining up how to support his campaign.

My advice, write him.. and not email.. but actually write or call his office.. person to person and let them know you are willing to be a volunteer on the ground in his campaign.. you would be surprised.. these candidates who run for big office, need to know they have a strong base willing to knock door.. talk to neighbors.. set up offices.. (heck I was scrounging folding chairs in 2008 for the Democrats to set up)..

[librechik]

67. How about a Bernie/Howie ticket? A girl can dream…n/t

[2banon]

73. I'm ALL IN for Sanders! The Party Apparatchiks won't Support him, but the voters will I believe.

if given an honest opportunity he'd win by a landslide, but only if we manage to overcome a tightly rigged system. I think it can be done. Sanders support is all over facebook, not just here.

I have a few hundred "friends" mostly musicians and artists. But a few are activists, and of course family.. postings of Sanders flood my wall everyday even among a few musicians and artists who are mostly progressive but not political activists per se.

That gives me some measure of hope for beating the system which locks in HRC.

[still_one]

82. Absolutely. I will vote for whoever the Democrats nominate, and I really hope Bernie declares

Himself a Democrat

[NCTraveler]

139. Would love to see Bernie in the primaries.

That is to shift the dialogue to the left. It is really all he has in him when it comes to the office of the Presidency. It is big to keep shifting the dialogue to the left. I do think Warren would have more of an impact. Unfortunately, Bernie would assume Kucinichs role in the primaries. It is known he would be no threat. I would rather have Warren who would have to be taken more seriously as a contender.