"Women don't get into trouble the way men do"

[Liberal_in_LA]

Secret Service scandal raises question of macho culture, women agents

The scandal over allegations that Secret Service agents brought prostitutes to their hotel rooms in Colombia ahead of a visit by U.S. President Barack Obama keeps growing. And with it come awkward questions about whether a strong macho element in the culture of the U.S. Secret Service could pose a threat to security, and how women agents fit into the picture.

Journalist and commentator Kiri Blakeley asked in a blog post Tuesday why there are not more female Secret Service agents to counter this kind of bad behavior.

"The reason there should be more is simple: Women don't get into trouble the way men do," she wrote.

"Seriously, can you imagine a bunch of Secret Service gals going on a trip to Colombia, where they are scheduled to secure the environment for their boss, who happens to be, oh, the most powerful man in the world, and then hiring a bunch of call guys?" she asks.

The identities of the 11 Secret Service agents implicated in the investigation have not been disclosed, nor have those of as many as 10 U.S. military personnel also suspected of involvement. But it is widely assumed they are all men.

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Women are also better suited than their male counterparts to do some things, Robinson said, such as accompanying the first lady if she makes a restroom stop.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/18/us/secret-service-women/index.html

[seabeyond]

1. all about privilege. nt

[snooper2]

2. Hmm, I'm thinking.....

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[4th law of robotics]

3. So women never make poor decisions due to biological urges?

That's news to me.

/flip the genders around and this would simply be flame bait.

[Ian David]

6. No, never...

German Police Rescue DJ from "Sex Mad" Woman's Home
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002575900

[Warpy]

8. Sure they do, which is why so many of us are beaten in our homes

However, women make those decisions individually and privately and seldom travel in packs, trash hotels, hire a whole group of fancy boys and then refuse to pay the bill because they're so entitled.

"Girls night out" can get boozy and raunchy. It rarely achieves the sheer ugliness of the Tailhook Convention or the mess in Colombia.

[4th law of robotics]

10. That's true, women never join in on such group shenanigans.

Never.

[Zalatix]

11. Nope, not at all.

http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

Not saying that women are evil or anything, it's just that they're people, and people are violent.

[Warpy]

18. I guess you don't know what the word "seldom" means

Do look it up. It's an interesting addition to anyone's vocabulary.

Besides, your own illustration shows a woman following along with a pack of misbehaving men.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. The misbehaving men in that photo being the prisoners, then?

Nice to know how, when a man does something "bad", it's the man's fault. When a woman does something "bad", well, it must be the fault of some man, somewhere.

[4th law of robotics]

42. I think it's more likely that it was a pack of males following a misbehaving woman

since we're making up stuff and assigning blame based on gender.

[undeterred]

50. You found one example, oh boy...

Bet you have a hard time coming up with 2 or 3 more.

[SATIRical]

12. Never?

Who said never?

If you think women are equally as sexually driven as men, you need to do some research (or be a guy).

[XemaSab]

24. Why do you think there are so many female hookers and so few male hookers?

[Yavin4]

4. So, Women Are Immune To Impulsive Sexual Urges?

That's news to me and every major rock star in known history.

[Zalatix]

5. It's the rock star's fault, not hers.

[SATIRical]

13. Answer this:

If women are as sexually driven as men, why are there so many more female prostitutes?

Didn't the male prostitutes at the Bunny Ranch quit due to a lack of business?

[Yavin4]

23. Never Said That Women Are As "Sexually Driven" As Men

I made an ironic post about women being immune to acting on sexual impulses.

No, most women are not as sexually driven as most men. However, that does not mean that they aren't impulsive sexually.

[SATIRical]

28. It does imply, however,

that the frequency and intensity of the stupid choices based on sexual drive are less.

[Yavin4]

29. No. It Does Not Imply That At All. That's Your Interpretation.

And you want to argue with me over your mis-interpretation.

The original article in the post made a generalization that women SS agents would not engage in this kind of sexually risky behavior, and I made the point that it's simply not true. Women do engage in sexually, impulsive risky behaviors as well.

One's gender does not dictate one's action.

[Scout]

31. show me ONE (sex) scandal involving a group of women, with comparable

jobs to Secret Service agents.

not an individual woman, and not a group of women with low (or no) profile jobs that require security clearance, etc. the same as a secret service agent.

show me more if you can.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. Maybe the problem is the thought that sex between consenting adults is "scandalous"

Sorry, I'm just not feeling the outrage, here.

[jeff47]

35. How 'bout a Governor?

SC Gov. Haley is in a bit of hot water over her affair.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Indubitably, a man made her do it.

'Twas Teh Patriarchy! I Blamez Teh Doodz!

[SATIRical]

33. Not always, but often it does

Most guys I know have never worn a bra or inserted a tampon inside themselves. Whereas most women I know have.

Far more men view porn than women.
Far more men rape others than women.
Men are more likely to have an affair than women.

If biology is not a major factor in those choices, please explain what is.

[Yavin4]

36. Once Again, You're Trying to Divert the Discussion into a Debate Over Sex Drive

And, I conceded the point that most men have a stronger sex drive than most women. Not arguing that point.

What I am arguing is the presumption that women DO NOT engage in impulsive, risky sexual encounters. That's simply not true. Do I need to post the recent case of the Bengals Cheerleader/Teacher that had an inappropriate relationship with a student?

There are also stories of women who vacation to the Caribbean to pick up local men.

Sorry, but just saying that only men engage in these kinds of things is a gross generalization, and inaccurate.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Wait! I thought gender was an artificial construct.

And porn? Really, very few guys watch porn, and the ones that do only do it because they've been programmed by the space patriarchy to be turned on by images of naked women. It's certainly not biological.

Or so I've heard.

[4th law of robotics]

48. Try making the biological argument for why more men get in to positions of leadership

or why they are more likely to start a company or give up time with their families for career advancement leading to greater earning potential or . . .

[trumad]

7. Pretty dumb statement...

Have you seen the list of school teachers having affairs with students....???

[4th law of robotics]

9. Yes but it's almost always male students in those incidents

So that's men making poor decisions and tricking those poor women in to affairs they wanted no part in (women don't even think about sex except in disgust or perhaps pity for men).

[shcrane71]

14. There's no such thing as "macho culture".

I mean doesn't everyone listen to Limbaugh??? Boys will be boys!

Poor men. They're being persecuted. I mean, we don't even know if the secret service agents were men. They all could be women.

One thing is sure, they put the president's life at risk. Everyone involved should be fired and barred from any sort of law enforcement position.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. It is in a secret service agent's job description to take a bullet for the president. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Well, obviously. Everyone knows men are better than women, men are more moral than women

Really, women are simply unsuitable for lots of jobs that men are suited for.



If this post bothers you, reverse the genders.

[Scout]

17. i love all the comprehension fail in the replies...

read again, here is what she said:

"The reason there should be more is simple: Women don't get into trouble the way men do," she wrote.

"Seriously, can you imagine a bunch of Secret Service gals going on a trip to Colombia, where they are scheduled to secure the environment for their boss, who happens to be, oh, the most powerful man in the world, and then hiring a bunch of call guys?" she asks.

did she say women NEVER get into trouble or make mistakes? NO.

did she say women are perfect? NO.

did she say there should only be women SS agents? NO.

so untwist your knickers. prove her wrong, if you can.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. No, she said "women don't get into trouble the way men do", which is a generalization

but lest anyone think that there is an excessive amount of hysterical pearl-clutching going on, I'd like to ask what EXACTLY sort of "trouble" there was. Did the hooker situation directly interfere with anyone's ability to do their jobs?

Oh, I know we're mad mad MADDDD! about it, but aside from causing scandalous heavens-to-betsy outrage, what was the PRECISE real-world impact of the behavior on the job performance, if any?

[JI7]

25. people can set up a situation where they get a hooker to find out info on president and other things

which can put the president and whoever the secret service is protecting at risk.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Yes, and a very alarming potential hypothetical situation that is, indeed.

Still, there's no evidence that anything like that happened. A lot of things COULD happen.

For instance, agents could also become involved with non "hooker" spies or otherwise people pretending to be something other than what they are. If an agent is going to compromise information to a sex partner, what evidence is there that they're more likely to compromise information to a sex partner they're paying for a one night stand, as opposed to one they met "legitimately" and are involved in a "genuine" relationship with?

Maybe the answer is to have the president guarded by Priests? Eunuchs?

I mean, since we're already off in hypothetical land.

[JI7]

27. hahha , this is naive, sex is one of the easiest ways to get at guys , and nobody is saying they

can't ever have sex. they were on the job at the time.

[Zalatix]

22. Post #4 and #7 already covered this point. No comprehension fail there.

[4th law of robotics]

43. Men don't get pregnant

nor do they have suffer monthly variations in brain altering hormone levels.

Now I'm not saying all women are baby-crazy or suffering from raging PMS. Obviously, there are few who can suck it up and ignore their many biological faults enough to do the job.

But in general the failings of women as a gender makes them less suited to be SS agents than men.

Also what if there's jar opening or parallel parking in the job description?

/apparently it's ok to use blatant gender stereotypes so long as you say it doesn't apply to *every* member of that gender.

[MadHound]

21. No, women get in trouble in different ways than men,

But they get in trouble nevertheless.

[Rex]

30. Is a shit statement.

Anyone can get into 'trouble' if we are talking about sex and not treating it like this is Health class in H.S. and an actual topic of debate.

I can already see it will never be.

[Zax2me]

34. Do I NEED to post links to the female teachers screwing underage students?

Google returns more results than you can keep up with.

[meow2u3]

38. Women don't get into trouble the way men do, all right

Women get in trouble for a hell of a lot less.

[Quantess]

40. Female Genital Mutilation

There ya go... to keep those women from straying their husbands. They won't feel a thing!

[Honeycombe8]

41. This is true. There are some things that are gender based that are true. nt

[loyalsister]

45. Thank you for simplifying

Women are more likely to follow rules and generally less inclined to take such risks. It has biological and social roots.
more likely clearly does not presume all or never.

You have to consider that the rules are different for men and women in the first place.

Things that were considered rebellious for women for most of the 20th century:
Getting an education
Participating in sports. Particularly those involving physical risk.
Working
Not marrying
Divorce
Not having children
Trying to own property, have credit under her name, etc.
And of course, sex before marriage
Many people are still not ready to accept women in male dominated professions.

All of the above, have been pretty much always accepted for men either under male entitlement or "boys will be boys" permission. The assumptions that drove those mores are still present in American culture and some of those behaviors are still considered rebellious for women by some.

Men and women both do it, but they do it differently. Mostly because what qualifies as rebellion is different for men and women. When men rebel it is often much more extreme because they have to go farther to break rules.

[ananda]

44. Wrong.

My middle name is Trouble with a capital T!

That's why I'm changing jobs and just got an iPad.

[varelse]

46. Goodness

She's obviously never met any of the women in my family.

[Beacool]

47. Is this news?

When was the last time that a powerful woman was brought down by a sexual scandal? I can't even think of one at the moment. While the list of men is interminable and goes beyond party affiliation. Can anyone imagine Angela Merkel, Hillary or Nancy Pelosi behaving like Bill C., Spitzer, Vitter, Gingrich, etc.?

[4th law of robotics]

49. I can't think of any female presidents we've had that were taken down by a sex-scandal

but there could be another reason for that . . .

[Beacool]

52. The day when we finally have a female president,

she wouldn't be taken down by a sex scandal for the simple reason that women who have reached the pinnacle of power wouldn't be stupid enough to risk it all over a fling.

[treestar]

51. Sexism. Complimentary sexism, but sexism

Women are said to be more virtuous than men. That's a sop thrown at us to hope we'll keep our place.