Offshoring is all about excluding American workers from the job market. Plain and simple.

[Zalatix]

People who don't want to be excluded from jobs producing goods or services for the market in their own country are not xenophobes. They simply do not want to be discriminated against inside their own country.

There are very few jobs for Americans serving markets outside the United States. We are being outright singled out and excluded from our own market. Discriminated against. BANNED FROM EMPLOYMENT.

Offshoring is purely about discriminating against Americans and driving them out of work. Sending jobs overseas does not create better jobs here, and never have. It results in fewer jobs here and those jobs pay less, too. To date there has never been a large scale creation of good paying jobs by offshoring. High paying manufacturing jobs have not been replaced by high paying service jobs - no pro-offshoring pundit has ever been able to argue this. There has been no net job benefit from globalism for America.

Americans have a right not to be discriminated against. We have a right to fight back, fight back hard, and keep fighting until the discrimination ends.

[Larkspur]

1. Ditto for importing foreign labor via H-1B or L-1 visas

They were suppose to only be used to supplement the American workforce but they are not being used to import cheap labor to displace Americans within America.

[antigop]

34. Professor Norm Matloff's H-1B web page: H-1B work visa is fundamentally about cheap labor

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

Overview:

The H-1B work visa is fundamentally about cheap labor.

Though the tech industry lobbyists portray H-1B as a remedy for labor shortages and as a means of hiring "the best and the brightest" from around the world (which I strongly support), the vast majority are ordinary people doing ordinary work. Instead of being about talent, H-1B is about cheap labor.

--Employers accrue Type I wage savings by paying H-1Bs less than comparable Americans (U.S. citizens and permanent residents).

--Employers accrue Type II wage savings by hiring younger, thus cheaper, H-1Bs in lieu of older, thus more expensive (age 35+) Americans.

--Both types of wage savings are fully LEGAL, due to loopholes in the law and regulations. The problem is NOT one of lack of enforcement.

--Use of H-1B for cheap labor extends across the industry including the large U.S. mainstream firms., facilitated by the nation's top immigration law firms. It does NOT occur primarily in the Indian " body shops," and it DOES occur in the hiring of international students from U.S. university campuses.

The underpayment of H-1Bs is well-established fact, not rumor, anecdote or ideology. It has been confirmed by two congressionally-commissioned reports, and a number of academic studies, in both statistical and qualitative analyses.

Even former software industry entrepreneur CEO Vivek Wadhwa, now a defender of foreign worker programs who is quoted often in the press, has confessed,

I know from my experience as a tech CEO that H-1Bs are cheaper than domestic hires. Technically, these workers are supposed to be paid a "prevailing wage," but this mechanism is riddled with loopholes.

Wadhwa has also stated

I was one of the first [CEOs] to use H-1B visas to bring workers to the U.S.A. Why did I do that? Because it was cheaper.

Professor Matloff has done extensive research on the h-1b visa program

[antigop]

2. Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/30/nation/na-buffalo30


Clinton is successfully wooing wealthy Indian Americans, many of them business leaders with close ties to their native country and an interest in protecting outsourcing laws and expanding access to worker visas. Her campaign has held three fundraisers in the Indian American community recently, one of which raised close to $3 million, its sponsor told an Indian news organization.

But in Buffalo, the fruits of the Tata deal have been hard to find. The company, which called the arrangement Clinton's "brainchild," says "about 10" employees work here. Tata says most of the new employees were hired from around Buffalo. It declines to say whether any of the new jobs are held by foreigners, who make up 90% of Tata's 10,000-employee workforce in the United States.

As for the research deal with the state university that Clinton announced, school administrators say that three attempts to win government grants with Tata for health-oriented research were unsuccessful and that no projects are imminent.

The Tata deal underscores Clinton's bind as she attempts to lead a Democratic Party that is turning away from the free-trade policies of her husband's administration in the 1990s and is becoming more skeptical of trade deals and temporary-worker visas.

Like many businesses and economists, Clinton says that the United States benefits by admitting high-tech workers from abroad. She backs proposals to increase the number of temporary visas for skilled foreigners.

edit: deleted paragraphs because excerpt was too long

[Zalatix]

7. Nail her to the wall on what benefits she says we receive from this.

[JDPriestly]

9. In my opinion, the Clintons are probably personally profiting from their business ties

with, for example, India.

I'm sorry to say this to the DUers who are so fond of Hillary. I was at one time very fond of her too.

But, I smell the odor of stinking corruption. Someone is making money from these deals. It is not American workers. I can guarantee you that much.

And although India has many, many, many people living in dire poverty, their problems were not caused by the US, and we cannot help them.

The wealth in India needs to be used to lift the standard of all Indians. They need to make a lot of changes in their society and in their culture. They don't need our help. They need to help themselves.

We need to learn from the mistakes India has made over the centuries -- a terribly rigid caste system and lack of compassion. Further, India suffered from being a colonial outpost. It was terribly exploited, but not by us.

We should stay away from India. They can solve their own problems.

[antigop]

17. HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)’S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo1.pdf
The Clintons have reaped significant financial rewards from their relationship with the Indian community, both
in their personal finances and Hillary’s campaign fundraising. Hillary Clinton, who is the co-chair of the
Senate India Caucus, has drawn criticism from anti-offshoring groups for her vocal support of Indian business
and unwillingness to protect American jobs. Bill Clinton has invested tens of thousands of dollars in an Indian
bill payment company, while Hillary Clinton has taken tens of thousands from companies that outsource jobs to
India. Workers who have been laid off in upstate New York might not think that her recent joke that she could
be elected to the Senate seat in Punjab is that funny.

[antigop]

18. Careful, JD. You might be called a "hater" or something. n/t

[antigop]

3. Does IBM plan to reduce US headcount by 78% by 2015?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/111611074

[antigop]

4. " We have a right to fight back..." --- the Dems need to get behind this issue!

People vote with their pocketbooks.

Outsourcing could be a winning issue for the Dems, but the Dems won't get the votes of those who are outsourced.

[loudsue]

5. This election year, THAT needs to be our rallying cry. Putting pressure on both

sides (since they're both at fault here) to make sure American workers quit being blamed for everything that's wrong with the economy.

[antigop]

6. Clueless in the White House

http://blogs.computerworld.com/19965/clueless_in_the_white_house

Vice President Joe Biden doesn’t know a thing about the H-1B visa.

There is one basic fact about this temporary work visa that everyone in political office, or running for political office, ought to understand and it is this: There’s almost nothing to stop an employer from replacing a U.S. worker with an H-1B visa holder.

U.S. IT workers understand this, especially those who have had to train their visa-holding replacement.

The idea that a visa holder can’t replace a U.S. worker is a widely held fiction with many in elected office, including Biden.

As I said, the Dems need to get behind the offshoring and visa issues.

[DCBob]

11. Well, technically that is the policy. H1B'rs supposedly provide unique qualifications..

that no US employee could provide. Of course that is non-sense but companies do provide justification for hiring H1B applicants to satisfy the policy. In most cases it is made up or exaggerated. The H1b program needs serious review. It is being used to replace American workers to save money and get smart young desperate aggressive foreign workers locked in to a position. If they are sponsered by a company they cant easily leave that company.

[Zalatix]

13. You might want to look at this.

[leveymg]

23. H-1Bs aren't indentured servants. They're paid the prevailing wage & can change employers at will.

It doesn't save companies money to hire H-1Bs. They don't depress wages for US workers. Most of them are hired because they've worked abroad for multinational corporations and are already familiar with their employer's technologies and processes or those of closely-competing companies in the same industry.

[DCBob]

24. A H1B worker who is sponsered by a company cannot leave that company until..

until they get approval of new work visa with new company. That is often difficult and takes time and many just suck it up with their current company.

How can you say "they don't depress wages for US workers" ?? Of course they do. What do you think happens when more people compete for the same job?

[leveymg]

25. Wrong. Once a new petition is filed, an H-1B worker can "port" to his next job.

H-1Bs are paid the prevailing wage for the occupation in the area as determined by USDOL, which averages about $75K for H-1Bs in the IT industry. There are tens of millions of U.S. tech workers, and only 85,000 new H-1B visas are issued each year. There aren't enough H-1Bs compared to the total U.S. tech industry workforce to significantly depress overall wages.

[DCBob]

26. That has not been my experience.

Maybe we are talking about different visa categories.

[leveymg]

28. Are you an H-1B worker or someone with working knowledge of nonimmigrant visas?

You may be referencing another visa category. Perhaps, L-1B, for Intracompany transferees. That category was curtailed by a change in the law in 2004, so that it now bars uncontrolled outsourcing of workers to client sites and requires a very high level of expertise by a foreign worker in the particular employer's product.

In practice, the de facto rules for H-1B applied by USCIS and USDOL have come to resemble the stricter L-1B regulations, so there are now greater similarities than differences in eligibility requirements. Outsourcing is tremendously more restricted for both categories of visa holders compared to a few years ago.

[DCBob]

29. Thats possible.

Ive been involved in hiring foreign IT workers who I thought had H1b status but it might have been some other category. Anyway, I will defer to your expertise. It sounds like you know more about it than I do. I hope you are right because that is the way is should work.

Cheers!

[leveymg]

31. Cheers!

The U.S. immigration system today is far more restrictive and protective of US labor markets, along with the basic rights of H-1B workers, than most people think. Unlike a few years ago, employers have to pay all the application fees and legal costs, and can't just rent out workers.

The so-called "cheap labor" H-1B body shops are a thing of the past.

[Zalatix]

41. It doesn't save companies money to hire H-1Bs? Wrong. Please look at this.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215405/H_1B_pay_and_its_impact_on_U.S._workers_is_aired_by_Congress

U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose Congressional district includes Silicon Valley, framed the wage issue at the hearing, sharing the response to her request for some wage numbers from the U.S. Department of Labor.

Lofgren said that the average wage for computer systems analysts in her district is $92,000, but the U.S. government prevailing wage rate for H-1B workers in the same job currently stands at $52,000, or $40,000 less.

[leveymg]

45. The $52K is the lowest of a 4-level wage system - entry level, no exper. $96K is the mean wage paid

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The data Lofgren cites appears to be the entry-level wage for the nearby Oakland area last year, which is a bit lower. Here are the current pervailing OES wages for San Jose as determined by USDOL.

The mean wage for all H-1B Systems Analysts in the San Jose area would be $96,221, assuming the distribution of experience levels is the same as for the general population of Computer Systems Analysts. Here's the USDOL wage calculator site that is the source for most H-1B wages. You can look it up: http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesWizardStep2.aspx?stateName=California

FLC Wage Results New Quick Search New Search Wizard

You selected the All Industries database for 7/2011 - 6/2012.

Your search returned the following: Print Format
Area Code:41940
Area Title:San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA
OES/SOC Code:15-1121
OES/SOC Title:Computer Systems Analysts
GeoLevel:1
Level 1 Wage:$29.79 hour - $61,963 year
Level 2 Wage:$38.03 hour - $79,102 year
Level 3 Wage:$46.26 hour - $96,221 year
Level 4 Wage:$54.50 hour - $113,360 year
Mean Wage (H-2B):$46.26 hour - $96,221 year

This wage applies to the following O*Net occupations:

15-1051.00 Computer Systems Analysts

[ctaylors6]

8. article about Apple jobs overseas

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=all

[Zalatix]

10. The reason we lost out is we don't do slave labor here.

Apple is able to achieve their agility because they can wake up workers at the wee hours of the morning and drag them to the assembly line.

That's not the kind of working conditions any country should allow.

[ctaylors6]

15. yes, but each employee is given tea and a biscuit

when they're awakened in the middle of the night to work their 12-hour shift. Which of course isn't too onerous since they're living in dorms attached to the factory.

Crazy, isn't it? So many companies get much less deserving bad raps than Apple for overseas labor. Apple almost seems to get a free pass for all this. Is it because their products are so cool?

[Zalatix]

16. I give them all bad raps for this shit.

Worse than that, we offshore all our pollution, too.

Welcome to de facto cap and trade...

[ctaylors6]

19. oh I agree but Apple could get all that built here in US

if they really wanted too. They're big enough and profitable enough to do so. It's bullshit that they couldn't get enough workers in one place. People would move to the US equivalent of Foxconn City in the US.

[OhioChick]

12. K&R n/t

[bvar22]

14. DUrec!!!

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The Graven Image of those who worship at the altar of The Church of the Giant Invisible Hand.
It IS a fundamentalist "religion" that demands absolute Blind Faith belief and devotion to an invisible god.
"Greed is GOOD!"


Ross was Right,
and everybody on this stage KNOWS it.

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[antigop]

20. kick n/t

[leveymg]

21. Your premise is wrong: US has long enjoyed a net surplus in trade in services, unlike manufacturing

and the balance of trade in goods, where there's a huge, growing deficit. It's called the current-accounts balance, and it looks like this:



If you were to block trade in services, you'd put millions of Americans out of work. Here's some more on the U.S. surplus in trade in services:

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Oil Imports Driving Worsening Q1 U.S. Trade Deficit - Fitch Ratings
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Mar 28, 2012 – In the aggregate, the U.S. current account deficit (including trade in ... alone represented 58% of the total U.S. goods and services deficit last year. ... The total U.S. surplus in traded services increased to $178.3 billion in 2011 ...
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[Zalatix]

32. Your graph shows a HUGE loss of manufacturing jobs and a SMALL rise in service jobs

And service jobs pay CRAP compared to manufacturing jobs.

[leveymg]

33. First part is right - services steady, massive deindustrialization. But, service exports are

almost all highly skilled (and paid) US jobs such as project engineering, legal, accounting, media. These service exports are not mostly crappy jobs, by any means. The U.S. doesn't export low-skilled service jobs, such a child-care, food prep, etc.

[Zalatix]

35. Where are the jobs for the tons of Americans who can't get into those few "highly paid" service jobs

There are far, far more unemployed people than there are jobs, much less high-paying service jobs. What do we do with them?

Free trade offers them nothing. Tariffs, however, offer something.

[leveymg]

36. Those manufacturing jobs have been offshored, and the savings pocketed by the 1%

The part of the free trade debate that gets it wrong is that that most criticism is misdirected at skilled immigration, which is not the problem.

The attack on international service jobs (H-1B) is in a sector where the U.S. is a net winner in the balance of trade. If we were to close the door to skilled foreign workers, we would be the net jobs loser in a trade war.

Trade in Services is a separate issue (and a separate WTO Treaty - GATS). The big deficit in trade in goods has sources in bad U.S. industrial policy, deregulation of corporations, and importation of commodities. That part of the trade equation is governed by the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs on imported goods (WTO-GATT) - that part, industrial policy and the imbalance in trade in goods, has been a HUGE loser for U.S. workers.

[Zalatix]

37. H1B visas outright discriminate against American workers

we'll lose that sector anyway because of exactly what H1-B visas are all about: replacing American workers with cheap labor.

If they retaliate by slamming the door on services exports then we should slam the door on their imported goods. They have far more to lose on that than we have to lose in services exports.

20 million people lost their jobs in China in 2008 when we had our economic stumble. A full-on trade war would cost them up to 50 or 70 million jobs.

Better yet, we could just print dollars like crazy, inflate away the foreign-held debt, and drive down the cost of American labor on the international market. Whoops.

[leveymg]

38. H-1B doesn't discriminate any more than US service workers abroad discriminate against Indonesians.

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H-1B workers aren't "cheap labor" - by law, they make the same "actual wage" as U.S. workers in the same jobs at the same companies.

We have a different balance of payments and different trade issues with various countries. Most of our imports of manufactured goods are from China, and I have issues with the impact of that. We're in the hole $295 billion last year in bilateral trade with China, which is a very significant percentage of US manufacturing.

On the other hand, Trade in Services with India (exports and imports) is relatively small, totalling $22.3 billion in 2009 (latest data available for services trade). Services exports were $9.9 billion; Services imports were $12.4 billion. The bottom-line U.S. services trade deficit with India was only $2.4 billion in 2009. That may seem like a lot, but it's only a miniscule fraction of the U.S. services sector, the Information component of which alone had annual revenues of $1.2 Trillion.

As you can see, therefore, H-1B has very little negative effect on even the Information sector of the US economy, but seems to receive a entirely disproportionate amount of criticism. Meanwhile, our manufacturing sector and industrial workforce has been all but obliterated, but nobody talks about that much, anymore. It's just a lot easier to ignore the wholesale wreckage of manufacturing and lay the blame on Indians with Masters degrees in Computer Science. We should instead be welcoming such talented people to the United States who can help us rebuild this mess.

[Zalatix]

39. H-1B workers aren't "cheap labor"? Uh, the facts disagree with you.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215405/H_1B_pay_and_its_impact_on_U.S._workers_is_aired_by_Congress

U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose Congressional district includes Silicon Valley, framed the wage issue at the hearing, sharing the response to her request for some wage numbers from the U.S. Department of Labor.

Lofgren said that the average wage for computer systems analysts in her district is $92,000, but the U.S. government prevailing wage rate for H-1B workers in the same job currently stands at $52,000, or $40,000 less.

Also, I don't suspect you have a response for this, do you? This usually shuts everyone up...

[leveymg]

48. Please see #45, above. As for

the "PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure g..." video, that's a different program. PERM is a labor certification program that involves a labor market test overseen by USDOL intended to insure that there are no "willing, able, and qualified" US workers for a position offered a foreign worker with special skills that would result in the grant of an immigrant visa ("green card&quot .

The H-1B is a nonimmigrant program, and there is normally no requirement for such a labor market test, as in a PERM application.

The problem with the PERM program, as I see it, is that its rules, that go back to the mid-1960s, are a contradiction between protecting U.S. jobs and creating an avenue for US employers to sponsor qualified foreign workers who they want to hire. The basic rule is that if the required recruitment process turns up a qualified US worker, the labor certification is denied, but the employer doesn't have to hire the US worker. This creates an incentive for US employers to conduct what the Labor Dept. terms "bad faith recruitment." The video reflects that problem with the current PERM system.

In my opinion, the present PERM system doesn't really serve the interests of either US workers or employers or foreign workers seeking US residence, and should be overhauled so that US employers who want to sponsor highly-qualified foreign workers should be allowed to do so, but only if they also hire a fully-qualified or trainable US worker. The present system operates in a contrary fashion so that if a qualified US worker is located and hired, the labor certification is denied. I would reform the PERM rules so that it becomes a win-win-win system for all involved.

[Zalatix]

54. I can't believe you tried to refute the facts with that.

How about the fact that companies keep getting BUSTED for underpaying their H1B visa workers?

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Outsourcer-Stiffs-H1B-Temp-Workers-for-Millions/

Do you have an explanation for that?

Also, do you have an explanation for why Senator Bernie Sanders sees the same thing I'm seeing?

Why would companies be cutting American workers and hiring H1B workers in their place? Oh and before you say that it's because H1B workers are "the best and the brightest":
http://www.cis.org/h1bs_not_best.html

In summary: We do not have a shortage of high quality American workers. And companies are getting busted for doing exactly what you say cannot happen.

[leveymg]

55. Technical glitch. Double posted. Self-deleted.

[leveymg]

56. That article is from June of 2007. Underpayment of H-1Bs has not been a recent, widespread problem.

and most technology companies have been increasing US hiring. Overall unemployment in the industry has fallen drastically in recent years. Google "unemployment in tech industry":

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[Zalatix]

57. 2007? You think that companies aren't still trying to find cheap labor this way?

What makes you think the abuse has stopped? It's happening in other immigrant and non-immigrant situations. Like the J1 visa case over at the Hershey plant. I know you heard of that, haven't you?

http://www.inthesetimes.com/working/entry/11847/hershey_guest_worker_scandal_result_of_lax_govt._oversight_immigration/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/us/18immig.html?_r=2

Hint: these abuses are happening all over the place.

Hiring is up in tech PROBABLY because the US dollar is down against the Rupee which is making imported AND offshored labor more expensive.

http://mises.org/daily/2883

As long as the US dollar keeps falling (itself a product of offshoring, or to be specific, large trade deficits), we're going to see this trend continue.

[hobbit709]

22. Oh, they'll hire Americans just fine

Once they have depressed wages to the point where it's cheaper than importing workers.
THAT is their game plan.

[uponit7771]

27. Displacement is illegal, proving displacement has been made impossible.

[Hugabear]

30. Why do you hate Chinese people

Don't you know that by bringing jobs back to the US, you would be hurting people in China? Why do you hate China so much?

[lonestarnot]

40. And from the product after they ruin our environment running it to the water to ship it to China.

[NuttyFluffers]

42. it's a deliberate strip mining of our populous' wealth for the time the elites choose to flee

like locusts they want to float from market to market, which is why they want to push globalized free trade. unfortunately not all locusts elite want to share their spoils. let's see how welcoming the chinese and indian princes will be when our locusts want to relocate to their lands.

[Sea-Dog]

43. American jobs for American workers eh?

[pampango]

44. OK, we should credit the BNP with coming up with that slogan (at least the British version of it).

British jobs must be for British workers!

Contrast that BNP sentiment with the prevailing Canadian attitude. They have the highest immigration rate in the world and their Charter of Rights "reflects Canada’s vision as a participant in a global world." Not much "wall-building" to keep "them" and "their" stuff out going on in Canada.

Most would think that Canada is a more progressive country than anything the BNP would come up with if it ever took power in the UK (not that that is likely to happen since the BNP is becoming less and less popular).

[MichaelMcGuire]

46. Gordon Brown (New Labour)

However it is the kind of loaded language of the right including the BNP, a kind of dog whistle politics.

[Sea-Dog]

47. Part of a ugly politics that is popular with the right-wing-nuts

[Romulox]

50. LOL. You've made a sale! nt

[Romulox]

49. Economic justice = racism! That's what you mean to imply, right? nt

[Sea-Dog]

51. dispite the saleble words whats it like sharing the same platform as the right?

[Romulox]

52. And yet *you* are the one who shares an economic ideology with rightwing think-tanks CATO and ALEC.

You should probably find a lot to like at the below links!

The members of the International Relations Task Force (IRTF) believe in the power of free markets and limited government to propel economic growth not just in the United States but around the globe. To that end, the IRTF promotes both bilateral and multilateral free trade frameworks, initiatives and partnerships that strengthen the intellectual property rights of our members worldwide and other policies that create and sustain prosperous societies.

http://www.alec.org/task-forces/international-relations/

Trade and Foreign Policy

Using trade as a weapon of foreign policy has harmed America's economic interests in the world without advancing national security. The proliferation of trade sanctions in the 1990s has been accompanied by their declining effectiveness. From Cuba to Iran to Burma, sanctions have failed to achieve the goal of changing the behavior or the nature of target regimes. Sanctions have managed only to deprive American companies of investment opportunities and market share and to punish domestic consumers, while hurting the poor and most vulnerable in the target countries.

The powerful connection between economic openness and political and civil freedom provides yet another argument for pursuing an expansion of global trade. In the Middle East, China, Cuba, Central America, and other regions, free trade can buttress U.S. foreign policy by tilling foreign soil for the spread of democracy and human rights.

http://www.cato.org/trade-foreign-policy

[Sea-Dog]

58. I except your surrender

[Romulox]

59. A series of pathetic and over-the-top posts supported strictly by a South Park clip...

It's coming off a little phoney, imo. Also, the South Park boys are Libertarians.

[varelse]

53. You're right

And after reading "Disaster Capitalism" and "No Logo" by Naomi Klein, I'd argue that globalism has been bad for the 99% of the world, not just those in the USA.