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kpete

(72,895 posts)
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 09:26 PM Nov 2014

Megyn Kelly Accidentally Tells The Truth & Subverts Months Of Fox Fearmongering



Ooops:

Megyn Kelly's Startling Immigration Admission Subverts Months Of Fox Fearmongering, Including Her Own
Kelly Called Executive Action "Amnesty" In July, Now Admits It's A Loaded Term Exploited By Conservatives



"Amnesty is citizenship and that's not what (Obama) is talking about. That's a hot-button term that the right uses to sort of get people upset."


Of course every person on Fox has used the term including Kelly. Still, it's nice to see her admit what her job really is --- to get people upset. And she does it well.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/megyn-kelly-accidentally-tells-truth.html
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/20/megyn-kellys-startling-immigration-admission-su/201644
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Megyn Kelly Accidentally Tells The Truth & Subverts Months Of Fox Fearmongering (Original Post) kpete Nov 2014 OP
Kick and R. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #1
The truth will out... Wounded Bear Nov 2014 #2
. libodem Nov 2014 #3
LOL - this isn't the first time for her either dbackjon Nov 2014 #4
Actually, she's wrong...it kind of is amnesty (extreme pedantry warning) jpljr77 Nov 2014 #5
Is it though? I'm wrestling with your post, good food for thought. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2014 #9
MALFUNCTION MALFUNCTION MALFUNCTION LiberalLovinLug Nov 2014 #6
roflmao!!!! SummerSnow Nov 2014 #11
Even the Gipper was pro amnesty Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #7
Not "sort of" DFW Nov 2014 #8
She is one of the better ones at Fox JonLP24 Nov 2014 #10
It's obvious that Megyn Kelly has her sights set on being more than the maddiemom Nov 2014 #12
I like how she says "I checked out facts BILL" JonLP24 Nov 2014 #13
Good video. F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #15
Oh, come on people IkeRepublican Nov 2014 #14
Why would she WANT to go elsewhere? She's probably paid more than most now. 7962 Nov 2014 #18
"Amnesty" is used the same way they use "Reparations". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #16
Every once in a while they fuck up and tell the truth at Fox Major Nikon Nov 2014 #17
I'm sure the Fox brass sent her out for reprogramming davidpdx Nov 2014 #19

jpljr77

(1,005 posts)
5. Actually, she's wrong...it kind of is amnesty (extreme pedantry warning)
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

What the President is authorizing is amnesty, insofar as "amnesty" is defined as the overlooking or outright pardon of past offenses. He is, after all, shielding certain people from legal action. What's critical in this specific example, though, is that President Obama's "amnesty" is temporary and revocable.

So I'm actually giving the right wing media a pass on the use of the word "amnesty" in general, since it's technically correct. HOWEVER, the spirit of their use and the way it immediately dovetails into misinformation is...troubling (to put it mildly).

Using juxtaposition and bloviating, they have successfully created the illusion that "amnesty" = citizenship. They can't, of course, outright accuse the President of offering citizenship to the people he's looking to protect; he's not doing that because he can't legally do that. But they don't mind creating that impression among their viewers by dropping the word "amnesty" and then immediately talking about immigrants' use of social services, voting history, enrollment in schools, etc.

This gives the impression that amnesty = citizenship. There are millions of Americans that sincerely believe President Obama yesterday just made 4 million previously undocumented immigrants U.S. citizens. They base much of their rage on that fact (and Obama's skin color). So the technical correctness of the right wing's use of "amnesty," combined with their deliberate efforts to "enhance" the meaning of that word, has worked like a charm.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,911 posts)
9. Is it though? I'm wrestling with your post, good food for thought.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014

I think Obama made a good point in his speech when he said, "I know some of the critics of the action call it amnesty. Well, it’s the not. Amnesty is the immigration system we have today. Millions of people who live here without paying their taxes or playing by the rules, while politicians use the issue to scare people and whip up votes at election time. That’s the real amnesty, leaving this broken system the way it is. Mass amnesty would be unfair. Mass deportation would be both impossible and contrary it to our character. What I’m describing is accountability. A common sense middle- ground approach. If you meet the criteria, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law."

Registering, paying a fee/fine, submitting to a criminal background check, etc. doesn't seem as if it's either overlooking or an outright pardon of past offenses.

 
7. Even the Gipper was pro amnesty
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:04 PM
Nov 2014


He actually wanted illegal aliens to live free from illegal employers exploitation.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
12. It's obvious that Megyn Kelly has her sights set on being more than the
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:23 AM
Nov 2014

typical "Fox Blond." She's pushing to be a "real" newsperson, to her credit. Too bad she didn't have Hasselbeck's original shot at it. Miz Liz has wasted all her opportunities in pursuit of being just the Fox Blond Kelly seems to be running from.

JonLP24

(29,354 posts)
13. I like how she says "I checked out facts BILL"
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:27 AM
Nov 2014

she is looking down at facts like a real anchor. What should be standard behavior is atypical at Fox where they feed liars, half-truths, and red herrings.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
15. Good video.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:03 AM
Nov 2014

But the commentator's (I don't know his name) rant from ~8:10 to 9:25 was one of the most incoherent, useless rants I've heard from a long time. He ignored a ton of what we did do to Asian immigrants, and simultaneously made himself sound like an idiot. I don't disagree with what he said for the most part, but that was just bad. The rest of the video was great.

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
14. Oh, come on people
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:33 AM
Nov 2014

This isn't subversion. They're working up their audience like they always do and there's more ways to do that than the same old "welfare queens in Cadillacs" approach.

Stop buying into the bunk that she and Shep Smith are vying for another gig. They've both been at Fox for years and that's exactly where they're intent on staying - following orders from Roger & Co.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. Why would she WANT to go elsewhere? She's probably paid more than most now.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 09:25 AM
Nov 2014

She came from local news after being a lawyer and worked her way to the top. She has a big paycheck and huge ratings. She's not going anywhere. Who would pay her more?

Major Nikon

(36,911 posts)
17. Every once in a while they fuck up and tell the truth at Fox
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

Without demagoguery the GOP tent would fold.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. I'm sure the Fox brass sent her out for reprogramming
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 01:42 AM
Nov 2014

(meaning scooping out what little brains she had left) and she's back to towing the company line.

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