BREAKING VIDEO: Police Lied. Mike Brown was killed 148 feet away from Darren Wilson's SUV

[kpete]

BREAKING VIDEO: Police Lied. Mike Brown was killed 148 feet away from Darren Wilson's SUV

For 104 days, the police have lied and said Mike Brown was killed 35 feet away from Darren Wilson's SUV. It was actually 148 feet.

This distance is essential to the defense and how Darren Wilson must demonstrate that he "reasonably feared for his safety." At the point in which Mike Brown ran half a football field away, how reasonable is it for an armed officer to fear anyone?

Below is the first video filmed from Canfield Drive showing the exact measurement between where Darren Wilson's SUV was parked and Mike Brown died. After that we methodically debunk the lie that Mike Brown was killed in close proximity to Darren Wilson's SUV.

Our starting point, which is 17 feet behind the driver's side window of Darren Wilson's SUV is this yellow fire hydrant next to the storm drain.

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Our end point is 2943 Canfield. Notice the building number in the back of this photo below where Mike Brown's father and family members are standing over the exact location where Mike Brown was murdered.

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Watch us measure the distance below.

131 feet, 1 inch (Distance between the fire hydrant and where Mike Brown died)
+ 17 feet (distance between the fire hydrant and the driver's side door of Darren Wilson's SUV)
= 148 feet.

The St. Louis-area police have continued to advance this lie for over 104 days since Mike Brown was killed on Canfield Drive on the afternoon of August 9 in Ferguson, Missouri. Here we will methodically expose this lie and examine just why it's so important.


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Using Google Maps, the approximate distance from the front of Darren Wilson's SUV to where Mike Brown was shot before falling down is actually 148 feet.

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[sakabatou]

1. Not surprised. The police lie a lot

And many in the precinct would want to protect Wilson from prosecution.

[helpmetohelpyou]

10. I think the distance is way off in this post but I think it happened exactly as was it was reported

The only difference was that Michael Brown didn't charge Wilson at all

He had been shot and tried to run away and when Wilson yelled for him to stop
he did stop , probably the 20 or 25 feet away.

Michael Brown was doing what he thought Wilson was telling him to do
in those few seconds before he opened fire.

Michael Brown was shot with a handgun going off right near his ears .
The shot was amplified because it was inside a car and his head
was inside or at least right next to the open window while they were struggling.

His ears were ringing and he couldn't hear really well.
Wilson panicked and just opened fire on him thinking he wasn't following his commands.

If Wilson didn't panic Mr Brown would be alive today

[marble falls]

44. Sounds plausible.

[Spazito]

2. Disgusted but not at all surprised...

The lies by the police and Wilson defenders have been non-stop since the murder of Michael Brown.

[FourScore]

3. kick

[Historic NY]

4. Its about the math...

Was this kept from the grand jury??? Its half a football field away.

[helpmetohelpyou]

5. That's 50 yards with a handgun

Where he hit him 6 times and two head shots?

That's seems highly unlikely

[Oktober]

8. Maybe he's the best shot... Ever...

Ever...

[helpmetohelpyou]

11. That would be really hard to do in a instance like this

It's not like it's a person taking his time on a firing range.

These were rapid shots during a stressful situation

[Oktober]

14. My sarcasm didn't come through on the last post...

I know...

[helpmetohelpyou]

17. I thought it might be but

I wasn't sure

[Straw Man]

18. Even on a range...

...six shots on a silhouette at 150 feet is quite a feat. Normal defensive shooting drills are run between 20 and 50 feet. Twenty is the approximate "Tueller Drill" distance (actually 21), meaning the distance a charging attacker can cover before the defender can draw a handgun and fire a single shot. Fifty is getting to the outside of a viable distance for firing rapidly with any accuracy with a combat-type handgun.

A hundred and fifty feet is absurd. That's 50 yards. Bullseye shooters do it with target handguns, but the good ones won't even drink coffee before a match because it makes them too jittery and ruins their accuracy. An adrenalized street cop with a service weapon? Never.

I would like to see the facts of this tragedy come out in open court. But whatever those facts may be, this isn't one of them.

[TorchTheWitch]

15. It appears they're measuring starting at the cop car

Though I don't know why since Wilson didn't shoot from the car or at the car. There was a bit of a short chase after the first shot or two inside the car. All that matters is the distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the firing that killed him which wasn't fired from the immediate vicinity of the cop car anyway, and we already knew that.

I'm still not seeing what the point is to this measurement starting at the cop car seeing that Wilson wasn't at the car when he fired the shots that killed Brown.

[helpmetohelpyou]

16. The only way they determine that is shell cases on the ground

I agree , measuring from the car wouldn't be accurate .

I'm sure they measured the shell cases on the ground to MR Browns body

That's not a detail that would have been missed

[TorchTheWitch]

21. well, it seems to be one that was missed by whoever did this

examination in measuring starting at the cop car. And since they did, I have no idea what it is they're attempting to show. The distance between the cop car and Brown's body doesn't have any meaning. It isn't relevant to anything.

It certainly sounds a lot more reasonable that Wilson shot and killed Brown from a distance of something like 35 feet between them as was apparently said by police knowing that this would be the measurement that had relevance. And I agree that it's not a detail that the police would have missed. But that doesn't explain the purpose of whoever did this other examination and why they started the measurement at the police car especially when it was already known that Wilson didn't fire the shots that killed Brown from the police car or in the vicinity of the police car.

So, I'm still stumped as to what in the world this examination in the OP is attempting to show. The title says that the police lied, but about what? And what is it that this other examination has to do with it? Of course the police wouldn't care what the distance was from the police car to Brown's body since it doesn't mean anything, so I'm not seeing why the police would have lied about that distance or even bothered to measure it in the first place because the distance from the car to Brown's body has no relevance.

[ncjustice80]

25. He is a trained police officer. I would expect him to.

I knew this smellednof massive coverup from the start. They need to arrest him and let a jury decide in an open court!

[underpants]

26. I thought the same thing

My experience with handguns was in the Army. We had old ass 45's that barely hit anything from 5 yards or so ( you had to KNOW your weapon to make a hit). We later got 9MM's which were light years better - 1990-93 timeframe.

50 yards is a hella shot even center mass let alone headshots.

[NickB79]

27. That was my thought as well. He's a crack shot if this is true

Most cops empty their guns and still miss most of the time. WTF?

[L0oniX]

28. Indeed! I practice regularly with a MP9 ...accuracy drops off considerably after 10 yards...

with reloads and I'll bet it isn't any better with defense ammo. A cop with tache psyche kicking? ...at 50 yards? ...forget it.

[Dont call me Shirley]

37. Wilson followed Brown. Mike was hit in the head at close range.

[littlewolf]

42. that is what I am thinking. hell of a grouping. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

6. So, he was "charging" from that far away?

[helpmetohelpyou]

7. That's why it doesn't sound right in the distance

MR Brown wouldn't have stopped after running a half a football field away , turn around and start to charge
a police officer with a gun after being wounded with a gunshot to the hand.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

9. Added it to my google earth places....

Latitude: 38°44'17.99"N
Longitude: 90°16'25.25"W

[gordianot]

12. That there are no police reports released is that facts do not fit the police narrative.

No matter what happens the sequence of events will forever be in question if this is not prosecuted. Sickening to have a trial by Grand Jury with a Prosecutor who is unwilling to prosecute. News media and law enforcement in St. Louis is a national shame. The entire region of St. Louis will have the burden of the actions of one thug Policeman actions in about 20 seconds. Was it rage, hate, fear, incompetence that is to blame for this tragedy? Law Enforcement has managed to pass it on the the public and it is continually getting worse.

[TorchTheWitch]

20. grand juries don't DO trials

They determine if there is enough evidence to show that there should be an indictment for an arrest in order for there to BE a trial. The prosecutor usually makes that decision on their own in most cases. And if the grand jury votes to indict THEN the person is arrested and charged and THAT triggers a trial.

Generally, I think a grand jury indictment rather than a prosecutor's sole whim to arrest or not is more fair. Prosecutors can and occasionally do decide to make an arrest or not to make an arrest for personal or political reasons. In general they seem to want to only arrest if there is an abundance of evidence (a "slam dunk&quot that a trial jury will find the person guilty since generally prosecutors don't like to lose cases. More equivalent cases seem to go to trial by grand jury indictment (hence the term "a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich&quot than by the sole decision of a prosecutor that generally wants a "slam dunk" and isn't keen on an arrest without an abundance of evidence that greatly improve the odds of "winning" (a guilty verdict - successful prosecution) at trial.

No one should ever be arrested, charged and tried because of personal, political or public anger reasons. Evidence is the only thing that should ever decide whether or not a person should be arrested, charged and tried. That's why we have grand juries - to make sure that cases where that may be called into question are decided by a grand jury whether or not an arrest is warranted based only on the evidence and not by personal whim, political aspirations or "mob rule".

I've seen so many people saying that a grand jury is "trying" Wilson. Grand juries are not trial juries. All they do - all they're allowed to do - is ascertain whether or not there is sufficient evidence to warrant a person be arrested, charged and tried. It takes the place of a prosecutor making that decision on their own where they might decide to arrest or not arrest a person because of personal or political reasons. This is why a grand jury only sees prosecutorial evidence and why attorneys aren't permitted to be present. By allowing any defensive evidence or attorneys making objections and doing the questioning of witnesses it becomes a trial and defeats the purpose of the grand jury. Since all they do is examine prosecutorial evidence to determine if there is sufficient prosecutorial evidence to arrest, charge and try someone than they shouldn't have any other information, and they do witnesses questioning themselves.

We don't know what information the grand jury has been given in this case or what witnesses they have questioned or what those witnesses testified to. From a few leaks in the press which may or may not be correct it has been said that though he isn't required to Wilson voluntarily appeared before the grand jury and testified and presumably was also questioned for something like four hours. It has also been said that many witnesses also testified and were presumably questioned some of which said that Brown had his hands up and wasn't moving forward while some said otherwise. I would hope that once the grand jury makes its decision that we'll find out what evidence they examined and what witnesses testified to given the public interest in the incident.

As a side note, this case is the perfect example of why police car video cameras as well as officer body cameras are imperative. Every police department should be equipped with these useful tools no matter how small some departments may be and every police car and officer should have them and be required to use them. If any departments don't have the funds than individual states or the federal government should furnish it.

[sendero]

30. There is enough doubt.

... about what actually happened here to warrant a trial. Period.

[TorchTheWitch]

32. without knowing what evidence the grand jury has seen

that isn't known. That's the whole fucking POINT to people needing to WAIT until finding out ALL the evidence before forming an opinion one way or the other. The public has yet to be made aware of the evidence in this incident, and a whole lot of people just decided Wilson had to be guilty of something just because. Hell, most people here just decided he was a murderer for no other reason than he was a police officer.

We have no way to decide if the evidence warrants Wilson being charged or not because we've not HAD it yet.

[sendero]

33. There are several documented eyewitnesses..

.... it's quite possible that the "facts" the grand jury have been exposed to were tailor made to justify the officer's actions. The ONLY way the ACTUAL and COMPLETE facts can be revealed is through a trial and that is what I want to see.

[TorchTheWitch]

36. that's ridiculous

They can't "tailor" the facts. You know how many people the grand jury would be questioning? You're telling me that it's even POSSIBLE to "tailor" the facts with all the testimony from not just witnesses but all the forensic people? ALL those people would have to be in on any conspiracy to "tailor" the facts, and there's no way on earth they would. They'd not only lose their careers but might have to face criminal charges. For heaven's sake, the grand jury doesn't just look at documents and try to figure out what they mean on their own. And why on earth WOULD they have even the slightest interest trying to get Wilson off the hook? He's just a police officer, not the Second Coming.

There have also been many eyewitnesses who testified before the grand jury some of whom said that Brown was not moving toward Wilson and put his hands up while others said that he was moving toward Wilson and either had his hands out to the side or not raised at all. The witnesses that did interviews are hardly the only ones and never should have been assumed they were the only ones.

Had the prosecutor NOT given the case to a grand jury he could have just decided on his own whether or not Wilson would be arrested/charged. That's what happens in the vast majority of cases. Since he didn't make the decision of whether or not to arrest/charge Wilson all on his own but sent the matter to a grand jury to make that decision how does that make the prosecutor even interested in wanting to see Wilson not arrested/charged? Show me a prosecutor that is willing to throw away their career, have their license to practice stripped from them and probably face criminal charges for attempting to skew this? This case is not happening in a vacuum in Podunk - the feds and even Holder himself are involved not to mention a great deal of the public having their eyes glued to this case.

With all the people involved and all the scrutiny this case is getting far above any other I can even think of the very idea that the prosecutor would be able to skew the evidence even if there was some reason he wanted to is ludicrous. For crying out loud Wilson is just a regular cop. Why would ANYONE even WANT go out on such an insane limb just to keep him from being charged???

Thankfully in this country people don't get arrested and charged with a crime just because some people in the public want to see it happen. Christ, you want to live under such a fucked up mob rule legal system? I sure as shit don't.

It's both amazing and frightening how many people here so desperately WANT Wilson to be guilty of having committed a criminal act and immediately after the incident occurred and without any evidence. WHY? And this jumping through hoops of lunacy trying to make a grand jury decision that hasn't yet even been revealed as some sham that can't even happen in the first place with all the people involved and all the eyes - including the White House - watching. WHY? It's been abundantly obvious from the very start why. Because Wilson is a police officer. That's the ONLY reason.

[jaysunb]

41. As to your final comment regarding video camera's

I agree and add that, instead of military grade armaments, maybe cash strapped departments should be given this type of assistance.

[Ash_F]

13. Has this been vetted?

How sure are they of that hydrant as a starting point?


That is quite a distance for a pistol.

[Agschmid]

29. Also the trees in Google earth do not match the trees in the photo of the family.

I see no evidence of removed stumps, it's weird.

[840high]

39. That's why I'm not buying this.

[Zorra]

19. The cops lied? I'm shocked! nt

[davidpdx]

22. With this coming out, if the grand jury doesn't indict him

The shit is going to hit the fan.

[seveneyes]

34. I'm guessing the Grand Jury doesn't use Dailykos as a resource

Shit usually only hits the fan when it's put into the blades intentionally.

[Lee-Lee]

23. I don't think thag is Wilsons SUV in the picture.

Thee is crime scene tape run between the hydrant and the middle of that vehicle.

The whole point of crime scene tape is to rope off the scene to keep people away.

It wouldn't make a bit of sense to tie it to the middle of the vehicle involved.

That is most likely another officers vehicle, parked further away and used to block access to the scene.

[Delphinus]

24. Please

let this get out to the M$M before the Grand Jury tells its tale.

[seveneyes]

35. rm / -rf

if you really want to clean the slate.

[hopemountain]

40. distinctly remember a longer distance

in the intial reporting and days following the murder of michael brown. but this week, i heard the distance "35 feet" and it is a clear discrepancy with inital reports.

[Lurks Often]

43. How far Brown was from the police vehicle is irrelevant

What is relevant is how far away was Brown from Wilson when Brown was shot. The distance from where the SUV was stopped and where Brown was shot only tells us (roughly) how far Brown ran.

Now if Brown was the 148 feet away from Wilson when he was shot, that changes things quite a bit, although perhaps not as much as many would like. Certainly 148 feet away pretty much rules out the self defense claim.

However Missouri law does allow the shooting of a fleeing felon, however the law is sufficiently gray, that I am not sure whether or not Wilson can use that in his defense if it goes to trial.

Note the felony in charge in question is the ALLEGED assault on Wilson, not the robbery at the store which probably have been deemed a misdemeanor.

Here is one legal analysis: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/08/did-mo-law-allow-for-deadly-force-arrest-of-mike-brown/