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Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:02 PM Nov 2014

French Muslims Urge Brothers to Kill Westerners for Allah.

In a new ISIS propaganda video, three French jihadis have urged the 'brethren' to kill the enemies of Allah.The ISIS video featuring the French nationals calls on the Muslims in the Western countries to 'poison' the food and run over the Westerners with their cars.

French ISIS fighters in a new video has urged Westerns to poison the food and water of the local civilians as act of jihad.

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"Terrorise them and do not allow them to sleep due to fear and horror. There are weapons and cars available and targets ready to be hit. Even poison is available, so poison the water and food of at least one of the enemies of Allah," he says.

"Kill them and spit in [sic] their faces and run over them with your cars. Do whatever you are able to do in order to humiliate them, for they deserve only this."



http://www.ibtimes.co.in/french-isis-jihadis-ask-brethren-kill-westerners-poison-their-food-crush-them-under-614651

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French Muslims Urge Brothers to Kill Westerners for Allah. (Original Post) Rhinodawg Nov 2014 OP
Can't imagine where they get such hatred. Scuba Nov 2014 #1
Not there, certainly. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #6
Chicken or the egg? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #27
Should include the word "Three" at the start of your post Scootaloo Nov 2014 #2
you noticed that too? glad I am not the only one who noticed uppityperson Nov 2014 #8
One notices trends with certain posters. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #11
yup uppityperson Nov 2014 #12
I thought I was the only one who'd noticed that n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2014 #38
ack. no. I think a lot of us have. cali Nov 2014 #43
Out of five million or so. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #10
+1 Union Scribe Nov 2014 #41
Have they identifed the drone bait yet? Historic NY Nov 2014 #3
We know perfectly well how to poison ourselves thank you Politicalboi Nov 2014 #4
Someday human beings will outgrow the childish need hifiguy Nov 2014 #5
Hold on . . . Everyone on earth lived happily together before approx. 1200 B.C.? branford Nov 2014 #32
Rather edited Title there. "French ISIS Jihadis" is the true title. uppityperson Nov 2014 #7
lol, well THAT didn't work out as you'd intended, did it, threadstarter? closeupready Nov 2014 #9
Do you support the release of the redacted 28 pages CJCRANE Nov 2014 #13
There is still a lot of anger over the Sykes-Picot agreement JonLP24 Nov 2014 #14
I doubt those guys even heard of Sykes-Picot CJCRANE Nov 2014 #15
I wouldn't place any bets on their ignorance of the subject. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #16
What do we really know about this group? CJCRANE Nov 2014 #17
I meant on the subject of Sykes-Picot Scootaloo Nov 2014 #19
But they are not Syrians or Iraqis. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #21
Islamaphobia in Europe contributes to ISIS recruiting JonLP24 Nov 2014 #24
For example, I've taught a lot of Iraqi Kurds CJCRANE Nov 2014 #22
Kurds have been fighting for independence for years JonLP24 Nov 2014 #25
A lot of the current problems can be traced to Sykes-Picot JonLP24 Nov 2014 #18
I agree there is a history of hate. But someone is paying for all this hate to be actualized. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #20
US-run prisons are great for recruiting JonLP24 Nov 2014 #23
Qatar is one of our allies. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #40
Typical flamebait bullshit YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #26
Kill a Commie for Christ! Martin Eden Nov 2014 #28
Why are you allowed to spam the forum with this shit? whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #29
Because juries decide on whether posts like this are allowed to stand? Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #35
I'm not sure if responses are defending them.... maced666 Nov 2014 #30
"three French jihadis..." THREE cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #31
Not to worry. This is the religion of peace. badtoworse Nov 2014 #33
+1 demosincebirth Nov 2014 #36
How come the only people I see calling Islam 'the religion of peace'... Violet_Crumble Nov 2014 #37
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2014 #39
It's also a phrase that Bush made famous. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #42
ISIS Jihadists want to kill Westerners? Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #34
Drone bait says what? >:) True Blue Door Nov 2014 #44
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Should include the word "Three" at the start of your post
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:09 PM
Nov 2014

Or perhaps the syntax of the article title, "French ISIS Jihadis..."

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. One notices trends with certain posters.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:01 PM
Nov 2014

For instance, sometimes one gets banned for a while, then a new person shows up who sounds just like 'em...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. Someday human beings will outgrow the childish need
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:04 PM
Nov 2014

to cling to the ludicrous Iron Age superstitions of the Abrahamic "religions." I hope that day comes before the belief in these varied idiocies leads to the extermination of the human race.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
32. Hold on . . . Everyone on earth lived happily together before approx. 1200 B.C.?
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:35 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Moreover, "secular" individuals, groups and governments never committed atrocities or instituted tyrannies in ancient or modern times?

Who knew? Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc. were all obviously under the thrall of Abrahamic religion. I knew all those Marxist revolutionaries were really undercover observant and religious monotheists. I was a history major in college (and it certainly feels like I graduated in 1200 B.C.), and I'm surprised that so many scholars, both left and right, could be so misinformed.

There is certainly much to be criticized about certain religious dogma, both Abrahamic and otherwise, ancient and modern, but the human ability to be self-destructive and cruel is also quite prevalent among the non-religious, to say nothing of many of the great and wonderful advances by those with who held religious beliefs.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
7. Rather edited Title there. "French ISIS Jihadis" is the true title.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014

Your title seems to be a bit of a broadbrushing, fwiw.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
15. I doubt those guys even heard of Sykes-Picot
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:17 PM
Nov 2014

before they were brainwashed.

Why are we putting up with the same old BS all over gain?

Why not look to the root cause and find out who is funding all this?

We've seen this movie before. This is a reboot designed to get us to spill more blood and treasure into the sand.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
17. What do we really know about this group?
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:30 PM
Nov 2014

What do we know about the event that kicked off these trillion dollar wars we've been fighting?

We didn't even get the full 9/11 report which included details on who funded and facilitated it.

We haven't had the CIA torture report.

And the Iraq Inquiry report hasn't been released.

We're running blind and ignorant of the facts.

And now we're on the verge of being sucked back into a possibly even bigger and more vicious war.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. I meant on the subject of Sykes-Picot
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:33 PM
Nov 2014

I imagine French Muslims who decided to throw in with IS are probably pretty aware of the relevant history on the subject.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
21. But they are not Syrians or Iraqis.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:42 PM
Nov 2014

Most of them are petty criminals and ex-drug addicts etc.

I don't know how much second and third generation French North African teenagers and young guys talk about Sykes-Picot but I doubt it's something they talked about until recently.

I think they more likely just want an excuse to live out their fantasies of adventure. I don't think they were that educated about Middle Eastern politics, culture or history until they heard about it in the propaganda videos.

However, I could be completely wrong. I don't know any French North African teenagers. I just wonder how much we know about these guys and the people behind them.


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
24. Islamaphobia in Europe contributes to ISIS recruiting
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:28 PM
Nov 2014

Their use of social networking also helps. But they do better recruiting from France & Britain then most other Muslim majority countries so I think the Islamaphobia is key to helping the social media propaganda campagin.

I have no idea their criminal background, if they're ex-drug addicts they probably won't want to start using again since ISIS will execute them.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
22. For example, I've taught a lot of Iraqi Kurds
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:52 PM
Nov 2014

and we've talked honestly about politics and all sorts of things but they've never talked about Sykes-Picot even though the Kurds probably came out the worst from that arrangement. More recent events have a much bigger relevance.

I think it's more likely to be a useful meme being used by outside forces.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
25. Kurds have been fighting for independence for years
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:06 PM
Nov 2014

starting with revolts against Turkey. It is very much part of the current situation in how it relates to the Kurds and their desire for a "Kurdistan".

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
18. A lot of the current problems can be traced to Sykes-Picot
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:31 PM
Nov 2014

Especially in how it relates to France & Great Britan.

#t=105

There is a lot of other factors at play as well such as our bombs creating generations of haters.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
20. I agree there is a history of hate. But someone is paying for all this hate to be actualized.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

Many of these guys were petty criminals and gullible teenagers who didn't know much about Islam or history until they were recruited and indoctrinated.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. US-run prisons are great for recruiting
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:14 PM
Nov 2014

This Al-Baghdadi dude got most of his initial recruits there and being held without being able to use habeas corpus to challenge your detention builds a lot of anger that is great for recruiting.

They receive funding from several sources, the biggest one is Qatar (they're basically the opposite of US foreign policy) who also backed the rebels in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and other places. They also make money from dealing oil in the black market.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
26. Typical flamebait bullshit
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:08 PM
Nov 2014

I guess some bigotries are acceptable to progressives, eh?

EDIT: "progressives", rather.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
28. Kill a Commie for Christ!
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:17 PM
Nov 2014

No deep meaning here; the title of the thread just reminded me of that (might have been from a Burns & Schreiber skit).

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
35. Because juries decide on whether posts like this are allowed to stand?
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:35 PM
Nov 2014

Did you alert? What was the jury result?

Violet_Crumble

(35,956 posts)
37. How come the only people I see calling Islam 'the religion of peace'...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:31 AM
Nov 2014

...are folk that don't like Muslims? There's no such thing as a peaceful religion, so apart from being one of those lame RW one-liners, it's pretty stupid...

Also, the OP was intentionally misleading and in the subject line tried to make out that this is a view held by the French Muslim community rather than 3 extremists. Why is it okay to judge an entire community, ethnicity or religion based on the views of the most extreme?

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
42. It's also a phrase that Bush made famous.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:34 AM
Nov 2014

Bush played a double game. He used the phrase because he didn't want to upset his oil-rich bosom buddies, but he allowed others in his administration to stir up hatred under the radar.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
34. ISIS Jihadists want to kill Westerners?
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:33 PM
Nov 2014

Isn't that like an integral part of these people's mission statement?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
44. Drone bait says what? >:)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:22 AM
Nov 2014

There's no purpose to giving ISIS propaganda a larger platform. Seriously, don't post things like this.

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