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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Darren Wilson is innocent, why are so many white people preparing for war?
This is the simplest way to demonstrate what is going on here, folks.
That portion of white america who rarely sees an issue when anyone shoots anyone who is a minority, knows that Wilson did something wrong and since this is not 1950 any longer, there WILL be hell to pay for it.
They know what happened, otherwise why react as if the world is about to come to an end?
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B2G
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randys1
(16,286 posts)are going to go to war etc
There are dozens of threads, hundreds of posts here talking about that, did you just get back from a vacation or something?
I am white, I am sickened by many white people
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)I forgot where I was, the mere mention of white people gets some folks really nervous around here
1StrongBlackMan
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mwrguy
(3,245 posts)
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)You know like the few bad apples that supported slavery and segregation.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)It was in all the papers.
B2G
(9,766 posts)This is going to be a major shitshow.
Seems to me that if businesses are closing and preparing to defend their livelihood, they're not the ones who are going to START said war.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Okay, that might be a weird analogy. But, seriously, they have all these new military toys in a city with a well established pattern of racial conflict among the city's mostly-white police force and it's very large black population. This is "the bridge too far." They've really f00ked thing up this time, and the only so-called training these people get is para-military fantasy games. Now their biggest concern is keeping their blood-lust erections inside their titanium military-grade cups. >Official GWB Commemorative Model<. They're all where they are, getting ready, getting amped, like a steroid freak before the big game (have I reached my MQ? Metaphor Quotient). Everybody, everybody, is on edge, and to many of them this is like a dream come true, the conflict they've worked themselves up for their entire lives...or at least for the last six years.
malaise
(268,968 posts)
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)rudolph the red
(666 posts)
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)break into their bunker full of spam and begin using their home dentistry skills, I suspect there are some reich wingers who are pretty excited about this.
I pay no attention to the few dozen KKK just as I pay no attention to the few dozen Black Panthers. Extremist talk is just that, talk.
The people to pay attention to are the ones in power over the protestors and over the police.
brush
(53,776 posts)then you'll never equate them with the racist, terrorist KKK.
They were formed as a self-defense organization due to the brutality of the Oakland, CA police department towards black people during the 1960s. They armed themselves to defend against the numerous killings and beatings by the OPD that occurred routinely.
And that is not all they were about. For years they had a free breakfast program for under nourished children in the black community, they sponsored free health clinics to combat sickle cell anemia and other health problems, free education programs to make the community aware of the class (not just race) struggle that the black community was subjected to, there were many others programs, and they put out a newspaper for years to raise the level of awareness in the community on issues of class, racism by the police and many other areas of concern.
They were not racist as the party had the support of radical activists from Europe, China, Sweden and Israel, to name a few. Many American whites were also supporters — including Leonard Bernstein, the famous conductor.
I'm not talking about the still ineffective New Black Panther Party that you seem to be referring to.
They are not the same thing.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)As a girl in England during the late 1960's, I admired the Black Panthers. I struggled so hard to understand exactly what was happening in America and why. I even bought and read 'Soul on Ice' and also a book Angela Davis wrote. Can't remember the name now. The Panthers dramatically changed the course of my life. You could never put them in the same boat as the Klan. Never.
Sneak the freak
(14 posts)I guess that's why the ADL loves them so much.
brush
(53,776 posts)The original Party no longer exists you know —COINTELPRO infiltration and such.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)But don't let that get in the way of your pet false equivalencies. 
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Buddy, take a serious look at the history of the KKK Vs. the black panthers.
Then come talk to me, and us at DU, about how many people the black panthers lynched. Pretty sure it was none. The Black Panthers don't lynch people.
And I will say this: pay attention to the KKK. Pay close attention.
They want you to ignore them. You ignore them and they can get away with shit,
It is for that reason alone I disagree with what you are saying.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)around ferguson bud!!!! where you been the last few weeks?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I'm ambiguous about Wilson's culpability. I think the police decidedly overreacted and not just a little. Even if Wilson is innocent the police response was criminal.
But people preparing to defend themselves (and I doubt they're as white as you imply) is not proof of guilt.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)incited many of the problems IMO. As you say, and I definitely agree, "... the police response was criminal." I do wonder if they will be cleaned up or if it will be the SOS.
B2G
(9,766 posts)The destruction of businesses or the police response?
Show your work.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Go and lump any destruction of property with ALL protesters as justification for militarized police response.
B2G
(9,766 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)has been a total waste of time and money.
Thanks.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)entire proceeding into a 'farce' (Dana Milbank) and make it a 'travesty of justice' (me). But I'll just bet you're not interested in hearing how McCulloch has thrown the case and tainted any future jury pool to boot.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and the pro-GOP complicit M$M.
But good goin' defending them, B2G. I hope they make it worth your while.
B2G
(9,766 posts)But perhaps you have an alternative to our current judicial system?
Seems most here love it when it turns out the way they "think" it should.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The system is still horribly rigged, even if it occasionally gets the right answer for the wrong reasons.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)He wasn't "on his way to college". The facts are as follows; he had just stolen from a store, assaulted a store clerk, hit a policeman in face and tried to steal his gun.
Don't try to paint this man as something he wasn't.
If I tried to take a cop's gun, I would have been stopped as well.
Find a more worthy cause. There's plenty out there.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hannity.
https://m.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)Facts are facts.
I didn't watch your video because I don't watch FOX. But I see you do.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's the Young Turks. Whatever. Don't watch Cenk.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I didn't realize that Hannity fellow was with them now.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That's all. They never appear on screen together in an interview.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I really didn't think that Hannity would be on Cenk's show as a host or contributor. That would be defeating the purpose. I watched it most days when it was on MSNBC, but haven't watched it since. I used to enjoy it.
H. Cromwell
(151 posts)of some people's perception of this situation.
There was a recent situation in Florida where a woman grabbed a policeman's Taser gun. He shot her and killed her. No riots, no grand jury.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-sheriffs-deputy-kills-woman-who-grabbed-stun-gun/
heaven05
(18,124 posts)'lord protector' of the racist amerikkkan status quo.
brush
(53,776 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:01 AM - Edit history (1)
He wasn't on his way to college literally that day but was scheduled to begin college shortly.
There are reports that he actually had paid for the cigars from the store, as there was no call to police by the store owner reporting a theft.
As far as hitting the cop in the face, the x-ray of a broken eye socket that was posted online and supposed to be of the cop have been debunked as false. They were x-rays of someone else. And there is a recent video out of Wilson walking through police headquarters right after the murder and there is clearly no trauma whatsoever to his face. Research that please.
And you weren't there so you don't know what happened at the car. Witnesses have said that the cop grabbed Brown through his open window and drew his gun. How stupid do you think someone is to try to reach into a car, a police car no less with the steering wheel in the way, and try to grab a gun from fastened in a holster on the driver's hip belt?
It's much more likely that the cop already had the gun out when he grabbed Brown through his window.
And here's something else for you to research. You said not to paint Brown as something he wasn't, well don't paint the cop and the whole law enforcement establishment as something they aren't either.
A report came out yesterday on the Daily Kos website of an apparent lie that the police have been telling since day one on the distance from which Wilson unloaded his gun into Brown. They've been saying all along that it was only 35 feet from the cop's vehicle but someone finally measured it with a tape measure and the actual distance was about 148 feet . . . that's just about 50 fucking yards.
What a crock of lies it is wouldn't you say, that the unarmed Brown was an imminent threat to the armed Wilson's life at 50 yards away?
Brown ran 50 yards from the SUV before turning around and raising his hands after being shot at and possibly wounded from the back — 50 FUCKING YARDS — half a football field. Again, how stupid do you think an unarmed person has to be to charge a cop firing a weapon at him from 50 yards yards away and expect to get to the cop and do bodily harm to him?
No one does that, no one charges into live bullets being fired at him, especially from that far away.
And no one with any sense would believe such a thing, that's why the lie has been put out that the distance Wilson was from Brown was only 35 feet, not the actual 148 feet.
They know this will come out in a trial, thus the resignation deal that is brewing. An innocent man certainly would not be trying to resign.
The police department, the DA and all the criminal justice establishment in Ferguson, the county and the state have invested so much in getting behind Wilson (evidenced by the fact that there is still no incident report) and will do anything to save face, and save the murdering cop from going to trial and having all their lies, and his, exposed.
And where is the press on this? How come with all the media there in Ferguson not one of the 'investigative journalists' (and I use that term loosely) thought to actual measure the crime scene? IMO the fix is obviously in and the press has seemed to buy the police version of the story, as you apparently have.
And I have to say from your positive response to my post about the original Black Panther Party you should know better than to just accept as fact the story of a racist cop without questioning it.
Do you think that racism and brutality in police forces around the country magically disappeared since the days of the original Black Panther Party?
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Then I remembered this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3270036
At least you're consistent.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)
Big load of BS laid to rest, the stopping of the dropping of a huge load of BS. heaven05
(18,124 posts)and seems clueless to boot? The man was executed, whether you're willing to understand that fact or not is meaningless.
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CreekDog
(46,192 posts)By the way, remember how you complained that the African Nations summit was in the USA, you thought it was dangerous because of Ebola.
heaven05
(18,124 posts) atreides1
(16,076 posts)...any reason to kill a person of color is all they need!
Didn't you hear the Kansas Secretary of State and his discussion of possible "ethnic cleansing" that may be committed by Hispanics...some of those extreme white conservatives probably look upon this as a way to preempt such an atrocity!!!
And if they get to shoot a few blacks and their white liberal collaborator, all the better...besides the police will be on their side, not that of the protesters!
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randys1
(16,286 posts)what i said though
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newblewtoo
(667 posts)a few factions out there (Skin heads / Klan types) that seem to think it will be open season on rioters and looters with no bag limit. Sad to contemplate as that might be, they actually have the fucked up view that a race war will solve all problems. No one said they are deep thinkers, only well armed and angry.
randys1
(16,286 posts)
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)the ones you'd expect anyway. 
randys1
(16,286 posts)of white people here who are VERY VERY Defensive anytime I talk about the FACT that there are TENS OF MILLIONS OF VICIOUS RACIST WHITE PEOPLE IN AMERICA
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)exacting some form of violent revenge.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)"... who apparently assume people of color wll be exacting some form of violent revenge"?
I have to disagree. Pretty certain the two groups are one and the same. The latter assumption *is* viscious racism.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They seem to come in many varieties today, from unexpected corners. No longer do they wear hoods or the swastika. And they control the media and promote the very lowest kind of behavior as if it is normal.
Most of these perons were considered fringe when I was growing up. We mocked them through the sixties and seventies. They have consolidated themselves since then and formed an alternative reality and a culture that is much more united than Democrats. They consider liberals 'race traitors.'
It's built around their beliefs, that they claim have nothing to do with racism, but liberals, guns, the NWO, the NSA, Democrats, Socialists, Muslims, immigrants, abortion, gays. etc. It's just the SSDD, but now it's 'cool.'
I also do not believe they are dying out as some seem to think they are. The younger ones are more hateful and active than their parents and very much in your face.
But oh, no, they're not racists!
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I mean, come on now, if that were 100% accurate, organizations like the Klan or the Aryan Nations would be much, much larger than they are now.....
I'm not saying that they aren't out there. There are probably at least a few (5+) million RWers who really do sympathize with the KKK, and the Aryan Nations, etc., with a few tens of millions more casual racists(some of whom vote), openly willing to go along with the flow, as long as they feel they can get a share of the spoils. So yes, things are bad, just not quite on the level that was implied.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Think of what they are saying when they vote for these parties or if you will, espouse these philosophies.
That many people who are not like them shouldn't vote, shouldn't be educated, shouldn't get healthcare, shouldn't have a decent wage or a place to live, shouldn't have control over their own bodies and their private lives, and should accept 2nd or 3rd class citizenship or none at all.
VICIOUS is what they are and I know quite a number of them, and they are not at all honest about what they are saying. They will exclude, run off and attack those who don't go along. They hide behind the symbols but the result of what they are doing is clear.
What they are supporting is soul crushing, deadly, and that's VICIOUS by my definition. They are NOT good people, no matter how they dress it up because they are NOT wishing good things on other people, they want them out of their way to feel they can destroy us with their bigotry and their own advantage. They are not as obvious as the KKK and Nazis were in the past, but the spirit and the results of their actions are the same.
As Lindy West said right after the 2012 election:
I remember how I felt when George W. Bush was reelected in 2004—that pit of absolute unthinkable, desparate despair—and so I guess I should have a little more sympathy for the 150 Million Waaahmbulances of the Apocalypse currently flailing all over Twitter. And, beyond that, I should probably be sad about the overt racism of our conservative youngsters and frightened at the gun-nuttiness of our gun nuts.
However. At least for right now, I AM NOT. I am just 99% completely fucking delighted by every single weepy right-wing temper tantrum. I can't stop hate-reading. I can't stop. And you know what? I don't need to stop. It's not like this was some arbitrary election for Homecoming Court—where we were choosing between Mitt Romney's totally on-trend bangs and Barack Obama's ability to pull off a structured blazer.
The party that my team defeated on Tuesday was a nebulous, fiscally disastrous pitchfork mob** —united by racism, xenophobia, self-interest, willful ignorance, hatred of the poor, and a puritanical desire to deny my gay friends their civil rights and me, PERSONALLY, equal access to health care and basic humanity. That's about as ungracious as it gets. So fuck being gracious.
Going to the link shows the most vocal online rants of the right. They are among the 58,167,260* who voted for Romney and Ryan:
http://jezebel.com/5958966/my-ten-favorite-kinds-of-right-wing-temper-tantrums
*Voter numbers from Huffpo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/who-won-the-popular-vote-2012_n_2087038.html
That is the tens of millions. In for a penny, in for a pound.
**They haven't changed one damn bit since then, either, only become more extreme. When they stop voting to kill me and mine with a gleeful destruction of my government and everything we have fought to create through generations of struggle and just argue about best to serve the people and not the Koch brothers and other crooks, they'll get a pass.
Until then, they'll get the finger from me.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)shut down a bunch of denier BS.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)no such thing, and it is as bad on the level implied by the responder who wrote that about racists....there are millions out there who are looking for the new REICH!!!!!
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)I think everyone can see that, if Wilson is acquitted, there is a reasonably high chance that people who think he was guilty will riot.
Whether or not they are right is not relevant to the assessment of that probability.
randys1
(16,286 posts)
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)and be met with a disproportionate and violent response from police and/or the national guard.
At which point I suppose you think they should go home and shut up about the systemic racism in our law enforcement and judicial systems.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and from business owners who are supposedly protecting their property, and who have bought lots of guns and are looking for someone to shoot. I am worried about the protestors. They've been remarkably peaceful despite horrible treatment, and based on that I think it's fair to assume they'll continue to be peaceful. They're not stupid. They know it's unlikely there'll be a trial. If they thought Darren Wilson would face real justice, they wouldn't be protesting.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)helpmetohelpyou
(589 posts)But to say all white people is wrong.
The proper term to use is all bigots and racists but on the same note those groups
come in all colors.
randys1
(16,286 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)period. Black people can be bigoted and prejudiced, but lack the systems and institutions to perpetuate racism on all levels of society as the RW and other racists of this country has....... Political, cultural and otherwise.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)because a grand jury may hand down a verdict not anyone is going to be happy with is now "so many white people preparing for war", over dosing on the hyperbole are we?
randys1
(16,286 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)If so, I guess I'm not.
randys1
(16,286 posts)
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)In fact you seem obsessed by it.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)And damn, man, things are actually bad enough in this country, as it is. We don't need fellow liberals slipping up all the time, and making the rest us look like a bunch of loons, when we're actually TRYING to inform people.
B2G
(9,766 posts)to so many long time posters here?
randys1
(16,286 posts)Why so defensive about white racists?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)your OP is disgusting. the implications are pure horseshit.
sP
840high
(17,196 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)not really a smart, well thought out deflection-denial from what is true in this WHOLE situation, let's try, huge fail.......
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Anybody who remembers the LA Riots, Katrina, Sandy or the riots of the 60's recognizes that when something of that nature happens the cops are NOT going to be able to be there for everyone.
I certainly hope there is no violent protests when the grand jury decision is made public.
But to but it more plainly, if it rioting breaks out, regardless of who is at fault, the average citizen is on their own.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Does the OP really think that black business owners aren't preparing for assaults on their businesses? Isn't Furgeson predominantly black? Didn't they get their businesses trashed last go-round?
Any Ferguson businessmen whose businesses were looted and trashed by a few and had many non-looter protesters come help them clean up so they could re-open are not to be derided for any preventative action they may take to not have a repeat trashing of their businesses.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)geez
randys1
(16,286 posts)
I dont know whether to laugh at you people or scream
I wont insult you though the way you did me, I will get hidden and banned if I do it as there is a large group of rightwingers on here just WAITING to pounce, you see I tell the truth, such a thing is not tolerated by righty
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)musta dreamed that
PS
I rest my case...the defense of WHITE RACISTS on a DEMOCRATIC message board is overwhelming proof of MASSIVE RACISM still in America
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)You post a flamebait OP claiming that white people are preparing for war. People refute you, tell you that nobody is preparing for war, and remind you of the riots just a few years ago. To you, this is proof of "massive and violent racism."
randys1
(16,286 posts)other than chime in with any one of A HUNDRED examples of how the white racists in MO and elsewhere are creating this problem
Instead, on an ALLEGED LIBERAL MESSAGE BOARD I had a bunch of whiney white people come running and crying to me
Jesus fucking christ 
Go ahead, fuck this, report my ass and see if you can get me banned but i will NOT stop talking about this
NEVER
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Why on earth would you even think something like that? I don't like most of what you post, but the same goes for several other people I can think of. I've never tried to get anyone banned.
As for your OP, yes I think it's flamebait.
randys1
(16,286 posts)simply and totally confused by that.
I do not hold a SINGLE position that isnt fact based such as how much racism there is in america or on the economy, oligarchs etc
How in the HELL can you be a Democrat and say what you said
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)
randys1
(16,286 posts)and when you RUN to attack me for pointing out the obvious when it comes to racism, we have one liberal here and one something else...seems to me
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Are you even reading the words you're typing?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)out of a sense of guilt? That means you assume blacks are going to strike out with violence.
That's not liberal.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)You also seem to hold this racist perception that only whites buy guns and non-whites -- as a racial group -- do not.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I claimed nothing, I said why would we need the FBI, DHS, National Guard, armed KKK and angry white politicians if the guy was innocent, surely if he was INNOCENT, surely if there was NO HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR THIS SHIT
we would not need this preemptive reaction
RIGHT?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you're calling white folks here racists.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Why do you think whites are the gun buyers and people of color aren't?
randys1
(16,286 posts)I guess it is possible I mentioned guns, dont recall doing it
your question doesnt make sense
Show me where I said whites are buying guns and Blacks arent
you cant
I said, and it is CLEAR and OBVIOUS that the white community of MO is afraid the Black folk are going to rise up and start a race war
this is obvious, i cant argue about the color of the blue sky with you...i dont know how to do that
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)No. No it's not.
I think many people -- of all races -- are concerned there will be unrest if the jury returns no bill of indictment. Personally, I'm more worried about sports teams winning championships as cause for rioting but the concern over unrest doesn't appear to be an exclusively white thing.
Agitating and race-baiting never help, though.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)
Whites have had the guns all along and buying more. Yeah if I was black living in or around ferguson, I WOULD HAVE A GUN!!! You got problem with that? Do you have a problem with KKK(whites) proclaiming they will unleash "lethal violence" on ferguson protestors?heaven05
(18,124 posts)it take to vote racist for you to understand that perception is everything to someone who is consistently the victim of amerikkkan white racism. Let's clear up one tired old defense. Black people cannot be racist. Period. Black people can be bigoted and/or prejudiced. Black people lack the institutions and systems used by racist whites at all levels of amerikkkan society to perpetuate their racial hate. PERIOD.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I don't even know that that means.
What you're describing is more your personal jealousy and envy than any description of social justice.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)without merit, yet still laughable. Your grasp of racial reality in america is ...............
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I doubt that I'm alone.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)confused by that." That's one of the funniest posts I've read all week.
Munificence
(493 posts)with everything you have said. There are racist folks everywhere, one realizes that by some of the responses here. Hard to believe we are on a liberal board and seeing some of the responses that have been posted.
It comes in many shapes and sizes but only from one "color".
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Post the links?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Posting links often gets hides as a call out. Seems like you are trying to bait someone.
Read the AA forum. We post racist comments made to us there all the time.
This thread has plenty of white supremacy and ignorance of American racial history. People like to pretend the system works fairly and competently regardless of race. It does not. It is racist to ignore the obvious. Blacks are guilty until proven innocent unless in a privileged position. White get the benefit of the protection of written laws.
We are daily finding black people being released from life terms for crimes they did not commit. Evidence was manipulated to get them convicted for no reason other than they were black, therefore guilty as charged.
You think it is racist to point out that racism is a white problem that they need to work on. That is too bad. You are wrong. Racism in this nation is based on white supremacy. Black to white hatred is based on white supremacy. Blacks are not the culprits of racism in this country, we are the victims of white racism. It never ended. We do not have the power over white people or the system that gives the advantage to white people. White people control that. White people need to end it. Instead we have a group of certain white folks that ignore the problem of white to black racism and instead focus on the myth of black on white oppression. Its just like misandry. A solution looking for a problem in order to not do the work of fixing the actual problem.
If you need more assistance, let me know.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)If someone makes an accusation of some on here making racist remarks, then it's up to them to prove it.
So far, the only racist remarks I've seen are from the OP.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You need an education on racism. You need to learn your history as I have learned mine. I spend my time studying the phenomena of racism in America and I see that many people speak on things they have a lack of knowledge in. Also a lack of empathy. Racism did not come from the op. It came from the people ignorant of history and sociology who are trashing the op. We can have a discussion of racism if you want. I can help educate you and point you to sources for you to peruse at your leisure. You are feeling attacked because you are wrong and ignorant in the subject. This is why I avoid discussing math and physics. I am ignorant in those subjects.
As you do not really know what you are talking about right now, I am willing to help you. Attacking someone for stating the obvious is not a win.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The only racist posts here were from the OP, I'm truly sorry you can't see that, try taking your blinders off for one second and re-read the OP's posts.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They don't fit me. The op is not racist. Against who? His white self? Please.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Has he said so?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I looked through his photos and stuff.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)He's accused all whites of being racists, he's made accusations of some here being racists, he's stated that those that disagree with him aren't true liberals.
I'm done, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He accused those prepping for war of being racist. He numbers them in the tens of millions. As there are many more whites than that, I believe he left about a hundred million give or take out of the racist category. I believe he also edited the 'all' to 'many'. A correction if you will. If you are hurt by the use of the word racist it is advised that you do not use it yourself against others in the future. Karma or whatever.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)liberals can see that there is more to people buying weapons in preparation for potential riots than 'white racists'... some people are scared for their families. but no, you insist it's racism and wonder how liberals could be upset with you.
jesus fucking christ, indeed.
sP
Number23
(24,544 posts)Are you starting to see why so many of the handful that remain don't even bother?
You are a white guy and look at the shit you're getting for stating what is a simply irrefutable truth. That gun stores in MO and lots of other places are FULL TO OVERFLOWING with whites who are scared shitless of a race war. This same shit happened in Florida after Zimmerman. Anywhere a unarmed black person is killed by a white person, for some reason, it's always, always, ALWAYS the white people that run to gun stores to arm themselves against... God only knows.
And yet, simply stating that fact has led to YOU being called the racist. And what's even worse is that I have no doubt that as bad as it is for you, if it was one of the miniscule smattering of Negroes that still bothers to post here saying it, we would have the full deluge of folks coming down on us and a half dozen copy cat threads with hundreds of recs bemoaning the "racism" on DU that dares to even MENTION this most curious phenomena or others in which white people's flaws are laid as bare as they like to do with everyone else's.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AMEN!!!!! This is some true shit!!!
randys1
(16,286 posts)cant even think of doing what I did, I get it.
Like I said, USA is a severely racist country.
And yes, I do see why there is a DWINDLING number of African Americans posting here, sadly not a single one of these who RAN to defend the white racists will understand why.
The more they insist on their position the more the division of the races and people will occur.
Ignorance is the reason, but will not be an excuse.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The idiocy of your posts is overwhelming.
Just because we don't toe your line of what a liberal is, doesn't mean we're not liberals, matter of fact, you are the one who isn't a liberal, you insist that we adhere to what you believe constitutes a liberal without acknowledging that liberals are many definitions and varied.
randys1
(16,286 posts)planet other than Clarence Thomas what they think about what i said
Actually dont, it isnt fair to them to drag them into this...they have enough shit to deal with
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The only rage I see here is yours with your bullshit flamebait thread, you knew damn well it would start a flame war, which I suspect was exactly your intent.
Personally, I don't believe that the good people of Ferguson will riot, there may be some outside agitators, but the citizens will peacefully protest, which is guaranteed by our Constitution, you, OTOH, seem determined to paint all white people as racists, which is nothing more that a pile of road apples.
randys1
(16,286 posts)ps
I had NO INTENTION of my thread being flame bait, I was ADDRESSING the RIGHTWING ASSHOLE RACIST WHITE PEOPLE OF MO and elsewhere but i have PROVEN the point that there are lots of racists in other places and it was NOT my intention
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)obvious. I think, for the first time, I am really starting to see the ugly side of this place.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Take a look at your posts here, with the increasingly harsh tone and liberal use of the caps lock. Seems like you are the one who is enraged, mainly because some people have chosen to disagree with your flamebait OP and your erratic defense of it.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:39 PM - Edit history (1)
and a lot want to bait you. The truth is the truth and your truth is inescapable. Just don't let them bait you into writing something some of the so-called liberals and progressives can get 'insulted' by. Some are very easy to insult with the truth.....they CANNOT HANDLE IT. That is one of the reasons there is a serious continuing race problem in amerikkka.
Number23
(24,544 posts)there ain't much difference between DU and a Yahoo comments section. I agreed with your observation down thread that a lot of what you see in this thread is exactly the type of thing you'll see on right wing boards.
And none of these observations are new. I don't know a single black person, including some EXTREMELY prominent civil rights heroes past and present, that haven't made the same comments that a lot of white people immediately become closed minded and defensive when it comes to examining their own houses. It is always far easier to talk about what's ailing everyone else.
randys1
(16,286 posts)If DU is close to the real world, we have a bigger problem than even I realized.
I am sure this is not news to you, however.
And no shit, I started the thread directing it solely at assholes like the MO governor and the other folks, you know the list.
live and learn
heaven05
(18,124 posts)been surprised by the apologists for zimpig and wilson on here. The societal and cultural privilege a lot on here have enjoyed is at stake. It creates certain blind spots that put glaucoma to shame. I have gained an education from the civil rights movement all the way to DU. There are always the 'usual suspects' present. denying, deflecting and whining about 'reverse racism. I will answer their BS, but it an exercise in futility. Privilege is not something given up easily by people who have enjoyed it for generations to the detriment of all minorities. A lot could care less. But they will try to ease their own conscience by appearing to be one thing while BEING the exact opposite. I'm here on your shoulder as well as many others, you are not alone. Don't let them bait you. Your are standing on firm moral ground with the truth as your sword. Never give up your sword. Been carrying one for over 50 years now.
840high
(17,196 posts)stop talking about this. It's your agenda.
Wha?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)But the routine is stale.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)The OP says many white people are preparing for war. I interpret the phrase "many white people" as "cops, KKK., etc."
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I used to see red writing informing me that the post was edited, but I don't see this anymore. Is there some other way to see post edits now?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)If I figure it out, I'll PM you.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...it doesn't show the red edit message. At least that is true with replies, not sure about the OP itself but I would assume the same.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)ARE preparing for war. Nothing untrue about that statement. The kkk has promised "lethal violence". What does that statement say to you. I know what is says to me. Flamebait is in the eye of the beholder and your denial of the threats coming from white power structure idiots is close to flamebait to me. Denying reality is flamebait. The poster is telling it the way it is. Your problem if you can't see or admit there are racist waiting to go to war over this incident in ferguson and ELSEWHERE>. Don't forget that idiot that shot herself while screaming, "we're ready for ferguson" while waving a loaded gun around in a car.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)truth of this fact, amerikkka is a racist nation, and there are MILLIONS out there looking and voting for the New REICH.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You're making accusations of RW'er's here that would gang up on you to get you banned, got proof of that?
randys1
(16,286 posts)aggressive manner
One was where I referred to all those racists in Murietta...
Lots of people on this board who HATE hearing about how many white people are racists, per this thread.
But wait, no, aint no racism no more, what was I thinking
GGJohn
(9,951 posts) randys1
(16,286 posts)such talk is NOT tolerated here ....
yep..got it
I dont need to say white racists, only a white person can be racist in USA...but yes, when I talk about it as a white person, I think it pisses some people off more than if I were Black, weird isn't it
Words fail me with this rant.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Oh my goodness. You just keep digging!
randys1
(16,286 posts)get on rightwing boards.
I dont know whether to feel sorry for you or be angry, but you wont change so what would be the point.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Nice talking to you, though. 
randys1
(16,286 posts)but i was wrong.
My AA friends here and elsewhere assured me of this, but I didnt want to believe them
Number23
(24,544 posts)Which comes as no shock to probably a single person of color here. And AGAIN, it explains why so many have written DU off so completely and so long ago.
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)No such thing exists in America. Racist whites made that crap up to maintain their racism.
When women and people of color in America have their economic and judicial boot in the neck of white Americans for centuries let me know....
Oktober
(1,488 posts)FTFY...
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)however, racism is also individual and you're damned right there is racism and bigotry from others than whites in the USofA. to suggest that there ISN'T is willful ignorance at best.
sP
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The distinguishing element between "Racism" and "Bigotry" is cultural/institutional power.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)because racism and bigotry have nothing to do with power. they are mindsets. how they are applied can certainly have to do with power... but not in what they intrinsically are.
sP
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)See the following (both from peer-reviewed academic journals:
And,
arrangements, and acts that tend to denigrate individuals
or groups because of phenotypic characteristics or ethnic
group affiliation” (p. 805).
Clark R, Anderson NB, Clark VR, et al.: Racism as a stressor
for African Americans: A biopsychosocial model. American
Psychologist. 1999, 54:805–816.
it is lay folks that refuse to accept the change.
I wonder why?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)Berman and Paradies do, though. I am not sure why they could not just use 'institutional racism'... guess that wouldn't have been 'radical' enough for their purposes.
sP
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)arrangements, and acts that tend to denigrate individuals
or groups because of phenotypic characteristics or ethnic
group affiliation”
The use of the conjunction "AND" means inclusive ... so, Yes; Clark does reflect the change.
Or, because ... convention suggests that one does not use a word in a definition to describe the word, itself. IOWs, the word "Institutional" is an element of racism.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)regardless of what you or they say. to believe racism is only institutional is ignorance and shields those who ARE racists...
sP
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Don't ever, ever, ever laugh at the right with their denial of climate change ... because you are doing the same thing.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)forgive me for knowing that racism is not only institutional in its scope. for you to believe it is denies reality.
sP
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Bigotry toward groups of people that is not race based often has cultural and institutional power supporting it, case in point anti gay bigotry
If bigotry is by definition individual and not supported by cultural/institutional powers, why is it legal to fire someone for being LGBT in 29 States, openly, by saying 'you are fired for being gay'?
What about discrimination that is afforded to religious groups, history is full of such injustices as well.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The definition of anti-lgbt bigotry needs to be refined. But that doesn't change what has taken 50+ years of study to arrive at.
We are not/should not be competing here.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)"It may be defined as the hatred of one person by another -- or the belief that another person is less than human -- because of skin color, language, customs, place of birth or any factor that supposedly reveals the basic nature of that person. It has influenced wars, slavery, the formation of nations, and legal codes."
I would argue that the definitions you have put forward are not commonly accepted, and they are certainly not universal.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)is not comprised of academics that study racism ... they are more focused on anti-Semitism.
I agree! The definitions are not universally accepted ... outside of the academic world. But than again, climate change is not "universally accepted", though among those that actually study it, the consensus is clear.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Some do, not all. It is not universally accepted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
"Sociological
Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of categorical privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman has defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities".[31] Sociologists Noël A. Cazenave and Darlene Alvarez Maddern define racism as "... a highly organized system of 'race'-based group privilege that operates at every level of society and is held together by a sophisticated ideology of color/'race' supremacy. Sellers and Shelton (2003) found that a relationship between racial discrimination and emotional distress was moderated by racial ideology and public regard beliefs. That is, racial centrality appears to promote the degree of discrimination African American young adults perceive whereas racial ideology may buffer the detrimental emotional effects of that discrimination. Racist systems include, but cannot be reduced to, racial bigotry,".[32]
Some sociologists have also argued, with reference to the USA and elsewhere, that forms of racism have in many instances mutated from more blatant expressions hereof into more covert kinds (albeit that blatant forms of hatred and discrimination still endure). The "newer" (more hidden and less easily detectable) forms of racism—which can be considered as embedded in social processes and structures—are more difficult to explore as well as challenge. It has been suggested that, while in many countries overt and explicit racism has become increasingly taboo, even in those who display egalitarian explicit attitudes, an implicit or aversive racism is still maintained subconsciously."
You claim that individual racism just doesn't exist which most thinking people know is bullshit.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The first definitions contain citations to the work of the social scientists; whereas, the latter is devoid of citations. What does that tell you?
I have not said anything like that ... I completely believe "individual racism" exists; however, I rest my opinion in the work of 21st century social scientists, that indicates that the only individuals that can practice it are those with cultural/institutional power/support ... and those aren't PoC.
Funny! That's the same thing conservatives argue, with regard to climate change ... right after commenting on the presence of snow or a record cold spell.
ETA: My Graduate Studies taught me that Wikipedia, while a great place to start any research on a topic, fails as an appropriate source to cite, as a research source.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)no matter who it comes from.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Yeah, white people created this whole racist social system over centuries, but don't you dare say anything mean about them!
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Conservatives may do that......but that's a whole different kettle of beans entirely.
NaturalHigh, I'm afraid, is right. We cannot just dismiss racism, collectivized ethnic prejudice, towards a group, simply because it comes from a person who happens to be in a disadvantaged group.....nor can we dismiss self-loathing, either(Randy is guilty of the latter, it seems). The large majority of liberals understand this, without at all agreeing with conservative agitprop.....is it really that hard to get?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And really, when the situation is this dire, we can't afford to be polite. Sparing people's delicate feelings isn't the most important thing - not even close.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Did you see some of Randy's comments? Pardon me, but if "all white Americans are racist" isn't an implicitly self-loathing comment, coming from a white person, then what is? This kind of rhetoric is not exactly helpful to our cause, nor is it helpful to the people who need the most help(i.e. People of Color).....
Here's proof:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5850658
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)It's not that every white person is bigoted towards other races, it's more a matter of being part of a racist society, and the fact that no one is immune to cultural influences.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)And I'm not sure, these days, I'd even go so far as to call this country as a "racist society" as a whole, not in this era anyway.....
heaven05
(18,124 posts)black people cannot be racist. Black people can be prejudiced and/or bigoted. But black people lack the systems and institutions needed to perpetuate racism and racial hate as the white racist does through all levels of this society/culture continuously. period.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)When you hear the same rhetorical claims of white supremacists on messages boards and social media as are popularly portrayed; the picture starts to come together. An intractable column of hate and social violence in this country and an industry of policing blacks(and others of non-privileged status) that goes back to slave overseers and militias and extends to the white-supremicist influence in cop culture in places like Ferguson, MO.
Eugene "Bull" Conner is the symbol for white reactionary law enforcement violence against blacks in the age of segregation; perhaps Prosecutor Bob McCulloch will be the symbol of white reactionary law enforcement in the age of covert racism. This man has by any objective legal standard acted largely in the dark. There has been no sunlight, no transparency into this case since Brown's body lay lifeless in the street.
As evident, for some, this is all quite alright and the system should be trusted to deliver justice for Mike Brown despite the weight of history showing it will do just the opposite.
It is what it is, I guess.
Number23
(24,544 posts)victimized by blacks as excuses for why the white power structure in this country is justified in arming itself to the teeth in order to further oppress minorities. See the Reginald Denny comment downthread.
But what makes that comment REALLY interesting is that Reginald Denny seemed to understand the rage that prompted those folks in LA. He shook hands with one of his assailants and made peace PUBLICLY with their families. Proving that he is no doubt a much, MUCH better man that those who would use his brutal and unprovoked attack as fodder for why white people need to protect themselves from those criminal black "thugs" sick of being brutalized by institutionalized discrimination.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)..that was remarkable about Reginald Denny. What was Jesus' admonition, if he strikes the left cheek offer him the right as well?
Something amazing about the moral courage to take the blow and not retaliate and thereby end the cycle of violence.
Compassion for the suffering of someone who wronged you, even physically? Not in America.
Violence is endemic, black on white, sure. White on black, historic and institutional. But scorekeeping on either side misses the point, even for the oppressed.
Sad how Denny's experience is being used as a prop.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)But that's not because that so-called "normal" racism was ever the exclusive province of whites(at least not on a personal level, anyway). It never has been......just look at Louis Farrakhan or Kamau Kambon, for example. Hell, speaking of overseas, the same thing probably goes for the "Muslim Brotherhood" and many of the other Islamist fascists in the Middle East, too, including ISIS, especially against Jewish people(or Kurds, as with ISIS). Even the government of North Korea may count as such, despite their "communist" appearance.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you refuse to accept that definition of racism ... even though that's what the social scientist have settled on.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5838549 (and following)
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)2 to 5. The Jury system is a real crapshoot, for sure. 
840high
(17,196 posts)are you serious?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The meaning of the word has transformed over time to include not only the bigotry, but the power relationship involved.
This meaning is widely accepted now.
It describes a specific historical relationship.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)this exact point.
I get the usual "well, that's not what the dictionary says" responses. I post the 21st century definition, from peer-reviewed writings, with citations leading to the work describing the of the evolution of the definition, and I get ...
"Well. I don't accept the definition! We will just have to agree to disagree." Then, in the very next thread on Racism, I get to repeat the process, as the very same people repeat the same "racism goes both ways" arguments.
Tell me ... How is this any different having a climate change discussion with a fox-watching conservative?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)When I first joined DU in 2005, I would have these knock-down drag out debates over certain issues with certain individuals, which I would win because I don't argue anything I don't really know.
This would have no effect upon their belief. A month or so later, they would pop up and state the same misinformation, or lack of information, and the process would start all over again.
Some mistaken beliefs cannot be shaken by any application of either logic or knowledge. Progressives can be ignorant, too, and cherish their ignorance.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Not here on DU, though, but, if you want to hear the story, one particularly screwy individual I'd come across, I'd run into on RawStory when the whole Ani DiFranco debacle was going on last year.....and she'd just finished tearing down a white woman and accusing her of being racist(projecting, as I'd later discover). We got into our own argument and she let loose with all sorts of ad hominems, etc., before I finally managed to tune her out; I believe her usernames was "LoLoPones", or something like that.
So yes, I'm afraid racist bigotry is not unique to any one group. And we ignore that at our own disadvantage.....
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
heaven05
(18,124 posts)period. Black people can be bigoted and prejudiced, but lack the systems and institutions needed to perpetuate racist hate at all levels of our society as the white racist(s) of amerika have done. Sorry to knock out your blame the victim with the BS 'reverse racism' tired old defense. That's reality.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)And, by the way, I never once made any comments about "reverse racism", nor insinuated such; you are either being dishonest or you are completely unable to see the context of the comment, and I hope it isn't the former.
My position is pretty much outlined as follows:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5854856
Can't get much simpler than that, heaven05.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)don't have to read your typical response. Totally denying your own words. Racism is the exclusive purview of whites in amerikka. Period. My facts are true, yours are false. Period. And you should refrain from calling me amigo. It's an insult coming from you.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)
Totally denying your own words.
Why don't you back that up with some evidence? Where did I say that "reverse racism" was a problem, or even existed?
Racism is the exclusive purview of whites in amerikka.
Not on the personal level, it isn't. Never was. At least on that level, racism is something that can be done by anybody in any nation, regardless of their status. For example, Palestinians may have no real power in Israel, but there are, sadly, a not significant number who do hold anti-Semitic viewpoints, and, last I checked, that *is* a form of racism.
My facts are true, yours are false. Period.
You have that exactly backwards, I'm afraid, and it is utterly *amazing* to see you unwilling, or perhaps unable, to even to TRY to comprehend what I've been trying to point out.
And you should refrain from calling me amigo. It's an insult coming from you.
I'm sorry you feel that way. In the meantime, you could at least try to open your mind a little bit, because there are very few people outside of certain factions of the SJ movement, or many of the black nationalist groups, that actually literally believe that only white people are capable of racism, period. That is recognized as an extremist position by a rather large number of progressives and other liberals of all walks of life, and it shouldn't be that hard to see.
At this point, I honestly think I'd be better served focusing on ways to actually make this country a better place, than sitting around trying to debunk this inane wannabe radical B.S. from circa 1984. Take it as you will, but I'm not changing my mind because the facts happen to be on my side. Nothing else I can really say.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I won't waste my time with you any more. You, to me, are part of the problem. You're nixon's long lost grandson???!!! wow. really. If you say so, but I can believe it. Yeah , go make this country a better place. For who pray tell? And you don't have to explain for who? I'm not one you can intellectually fool with your "black people can be racist too" victimization...
It's all pure BS and total denial of all fact about this country and it's down here in the trenches minority population. I do not care about your "large number of progressives and liberals, THEY/YOU don't reflect that position to me. I am through with someone like you. Go tell you BS to nixon, mccolic and wilson.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Apparently that was totally lost on you, but whatever. You weren't here to have a real convo anyway, so goodbye.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)your responses also. Not logical or lucid.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)what insults you throw toward the intelligence of people who have a true grasp of the reality of minorities living in amerika.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)that black businesses are boarded up and prepared too, right?
randys1
(16,286 posts)be violence and my question was
WHY WOULD THEY BE WORRIED ABOUT VIOLENCE IF THEIR GUY IS INNOCENT
that seemed to be missed by all the really angry white DU posters who RUN and attack me whenever I talk about how many racists there are, white racists only since you cant be a racist in USA unless you are white
want to argue about that too?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There you go again.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)not once, a white ferguson resident say anything fair or balanced about this incident. No empathy, compassion, nothing. So there you go again being in denial of the facts. geez
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)response when someone disagrees with you?
Preparing for the possibility of civil unrest is just as prudent as being prepared for a major snowstorm or hurricane. You take certain precautions against the worst case and hope for the best case.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)there is a huge race problem in amerikkka. Nov 4, 2014 proved that. The last six years of having a mixed race POTUS has proved that fact. This non indictment this proves that. There is a big fucking race problem in amerikkka and it's not black people perpetuating the hate and ignorance.
Everyone that disagrees with you, must be a gop plant.
Here, this is for you:
Something is overinflated, and a bunch of long time members agree.
Use it.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)What worries me, however, is the possibility that some criminal elements, including those that may be embedded within a good number of police departments across the STL area(not just Ferguson), may possibly try to take advantage of this unrest, and stoke further violence. You may have heard of CoIntelPro, btw? They did this a LOT in the '60s; I've suspected for a while that TPTB pulled something similar with Occupy a couple years back, and that it may have been a dry run.....
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... can be traced back to the exact sort of message you put out in your OP.
randys1
(16,286 posts)One wonders if you will ever figure it out, i doubt it
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Please see this entire thread of responses for an example...
Wait, lemme guess.. They are all secret 'rightwingers' out to dilute and obscure the glory that are the sum total of your posts. Hmm?
randys1
(16,286 posts)people...
You do understand this isnt an opinion, the news is FULL of stories of all the PREDICTIONS of violence and most of it coming from white rightwingers like the pretend democratic governor or DA or KKK or etc etc
I pointed out they are all PREPARING FOR VIOLENCE but WHY would they if their guy WAS INNOCENT?????????????????????????????
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... if you aren't going to keep up.
Answer #105 and I'll check on your work in a little bit...
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)If someone, regardless of race, lives in an area where they expect violence to happen, it's prudent that they prepare to defend themselves and their property.
A white person in Ferguson could very well believe that Wilson should be indicted and convicted, yet understand that he might not be. If that person believes that a lack of indictment might lead to violence around them, why wouldn't they prepare to defend themselves?
rudolph the red
(666 posts)I pointed out they are all PREPARING FOR VIOLENCE but WHY would they if their guy WAS INNOCENT?????????????????????????????
The fear seems to be that if the case doesn't go to trial, there is a much greater chance for violent protests. How does that jibe with your statement?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the kkk said that very thing. Where you been last three weeks or so, the last 3 and a half months really?
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Code word to put them back in?
B2G
(9,766 posts)What would you be doing right now?
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)And no, I wouldn't board up one single window.
B2G
(9,766 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Had an insurance license once, may get it again. I woory more about irreplaceable things. Like lives.
But I know black lives are not as important as white property. Especially since we used to be white property once and no longer are.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Don't blacks in Ferguson own businesses? Don't they employ blacks that rely on them to support their families?
Are they just supposed to let them be destroyed?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That's how it is in america. Mom and Pop shops are no longer the norm. We had a crash, remember? Black people get denied credit even if they have the same rating as a comparable white person, or they get worse rates, hard to start a business that way. You have heard about that right? And other forms of discrimination in black America. Blinders people wear must be comfortable.
Do you save humans or property? If someone shot my child dead in the street they would need to move far away. I'd be willing to do life to rid the earth of a child killer.
We call ourselves the free,
but we cannot free ourselves.
Open secrets,
hidden in plain sight,
dusty tomes on our shelves.
Our society is ill,
sick,
in disarray.
America,
America,
who are you today?
Police state holding the mighty men,
safe in their keeps.
Looking down upon us;
lowly peasants and sheep.
Power to the people!
The words, so strong,
are but air, from our lips.
Words are merely wind;
but wind powers ships.
Old men molded the world,
and shaped the past.
They wrote the history,
they won at last.
But what man has made,
was not made to stay…
The old days are dead,
Yet they haunt us this day.
Don’t tell me what you were,
or what you’ve done.
How much you’ve taken,
how much you’ve won.
Your money,
your might,
you own the day!
America,
America,
we are on our way.
Old wounds not healed,
have blistered
and burst!
Our souls cry out
in desolation
and thirst.
A lustful hope,
a needful want,
that on a summer day….
America,
America,
will change the way….
We use and abuse,
rig the game to lose,
separate the browns from the reds,
the pinks from the blues,
the lights from the darks,
with the blacks put away.
Oh, America,
America,
the games you play.
Time for us all
to reunify the race
there is but one –
the human
same face.
Together we are one;
but separate,
just dust.
America,
America,
America or bust.
B2G
(9,766 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Tim McBride, 54, a health and policy professor at Washington University in St. Louis, says inconvenience and disruption is often the price for social change, and may indicate the efforts are working.
"People get uncomfortable when we protest, but people got uncomfortable in the 1960s," McBride, who is white, said. "When you say things like you want protests to go away that means you just want things to go back under the surface so you don't have to deal with them anymore."
B2G
(9,766 posts)the rest of the commentators in the article are.
I'm all for peaceful protests. There have been too many violent incidents that have negatively impacted residents to gloss over.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I find that to be more important. So do MANY of the residents. I do not place property owners in a special category above regular folks. So I do not care as much about their property as I do about black lives.
People were against the protests about the Rodney King beating. Other people were fed the fuck up with cops getting away with abuse. The city is better now. Nicer than it was. Stores cleaner, roaches and rats no longer living in shops. And the department finally got investigated for abuse and guess what? Guilty of conspiracy. Planting evidence, falsifying reports, beatings, false arrest to increase numbers.
How many more years should young blacks quietly put up with abuse from our white majority who care more about things than black lives.
Oh, and when you do the 'some black people hate protests' thing, it reminds me that some black people fought for the confederacy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Seriously?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Let's get a quote...
You mean if somebody murders my child? I would definitely kill a man for shooting my daughter, she is autistic and doesn't understand everything. I also have a four year old that I would kill and die for. I have already lost one child to deaths arms, if someone takes another from me, they better run like the fires of hell are at their back.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts) awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)It was my DU poem I wrote for us. 
Cause I do love you all so much.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I found it very powerful, and am going to bookmark it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)So i just sent it over to Timbooktu for publishing. It will probably be in the next batch of poems published on that site. I published a few others there... http://www.timbooktu.com/delarosa/hopeless.htm
This one is in my journal.
I used to burn them in a nice pile every so often but SheShe said I should just send them in. So I save them now. I like this one best right now.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I will have to start paying attention to your journal.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thank you for the compliment. I'll have to make sure to keep it updated with all my stuff. You're nice, I like you.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Thank you for posting it (and of course, writing it).
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I felt like the thread needed a little something. We are on edge right now it seems.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)use it as an organizing hub.
I'm white, but I know a wrong when it is staring me in the face.
savalez
(3,517 posts)
Rhiannon12866
(205,295 posts)The shameful Zimmerman verdict more recently and years and generations of similar terrible miscarriages of justice. People are saying that enough is enough and I share their frustration and anger. I think most of us here share those feelings.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,295 posts)
savalez
(3,517 posts)At least the loud music guy got the book thrown at him - at the very least.
Rhiannon12866
(205,295 posts)Then stood on the corner waiting for the police to come - and when they did, they shot him dead??! That shocking incident seems to have been forgotten... 
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)What incident was this?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,295 posts)I saw the terrible video on MSNBC numerous times when it first happened, but no follow up. I just can't imagine why...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The man obviously needed mental health care. I blame Reagan. We put mentally ill in jails rather than hospitals. We should have more, larger, well run Mental Hospitals. I worry about myself sometimes. If I wig out, I might get shot. Makes depressed people isolate and it gets worse.
Rhiannon12866
(205,295 posts)And each time, I still found it hard to believe that this was happening. The guy made off with a couple of drinks! Most of us would have been glad to reimburse the few dollars they must have cost. What did he do that warranted his being shot?!
And I feel the same way that you do about the mentally ill. I was a psych major in college (mid '70s) and had a "patient" I used to visit at Marcy State Hospital in central New York. He was an autistic boy, in his teens at the time, and very uncommunicative. I often wonder what happened to him and other kids like him when Reagan emptied the institutions. Most of them knew no other life.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The poster I replied to mentioned a case where someone apparently stole two drinks and was supposedly shot by police for no reason. Clearly that's not what happened in this case.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)There is a longer version out there that shows it from the beginning. You can see that the person is obviously mentally ill. Well, I can tell. Perhaps learning disabled as well. The police should have used a taser. They work. We are killing too many people that should be recieving care with mental health professionals. This is why certain people, more and more these days avoid police contact.
They act like street soldiers instead of law enforcement.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)There's many many instances where people have been shot with tasers multiple times with little to no affect. Some departments don't even use them. My local PD doesn't and probably because they aren't very reliable. Besides, why should police officers not have the same right to self defense as a civilian? If someone comes at me wielding a knife I have the right to kill them in self defense. I'm not required to play nurse or nice with them or use some moderate weapon against them that is too high risk to my person. And as a civilian I also have the option to flee if I can. The police don't. They're required to attempt to subdue the person however necessary and take them into custody or have to kill them to stop them.
Yes, there are far too many mentally ill people that are dangerous to others who aren't kept away from the public or weapons. Problem is that a lot of the time no one knows how dangerous they are until they kill or attempt to kill. The far larger problem is violent criminals in general and people whacked out on alcohol or drugs. We live in a violent society. It didn't used to be that way, and I have no idea how it got that way. When I was a kid there weren't mass shootings, schools didn't need metal detectors or on campus police, most people that didn't lie in the city didn't bother locking their doors, etc. I clearly recall the first mass shooting anyone had experience - a shooting at a fast food restaurant - and people were just stunned that such a thing could happen. These days mass shootings are so common no one is really affected anymore.
Sorry, but it's just paranoid in the extreme to avoid police officers because of some misguided fear that they're going to do you harm. They're just people that happen to do a very thankless job that constantly puts them in harm's way. Normal people don't live in fear of the police. Frankly, being paranoid around or with a police officer is exactly what's going to stoke their radar. Personally, I like it when they're around whatever town I'm in.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am not comfortable around police. I have been called names by police, I have watched friend b assaulted by police, and I know a woman who was raped by an officer in our town. He was convicted.
I live through the LA riots, i have had a cop point his weapon at my head after being pulled over for my brake light being 'intermittent'. I had my hood on. When I rolled down my window I had a gun pointed at my left eye. I will never forget the fear of knowing he could take my life right then and make up a lie. I have no criminal record. I was not believed. And there were two other officers there and they said nothing when I complained. Rolled their eyes at me an pulled off.
The police just killed a man in his apartment building in New York for no reason. He was innocent. They call it an accidental discharge. Another dead man.
Repeating that people have nothing to fear from cops is a cop out. Cops need to be in control of tgeir fear. Otherwise find new jobs.
And yes. Black people have much to fear from cops. Remember that guy shot for getting his wallet out? That is what there is to fear. We fear fearful cops.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)privilege is something else.
Rhiannon12866
(205,295 posts)The video went viral, some other guy recorded the whole awful incident, was all over the news, and then nothing.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)only 1 thing. Enough is enough.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)as coming to an end. For them, the world has ended and the don't like it.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Wella
(1,827 posts)That would seem the likely answer.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Wella
(1,827 posts).
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)and unsupported assertions that belie the cumulative experience of the 104 days the killer cop Wilson has walked freely.
Wella
(1,827 posts)http://rt.com/usa/207843-ferguson-fbi-explosives-arrest/
Police families in Ferguson fear for their safety and many have gone into hiding or left town after receiving assault and death threats
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844311/Police-families-Ferguson-fear-safety-gone-hiding-left-town-receiving-assault-death-threats.html
Ferguson protest figure says violent elements could derail peaceful message
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/ferguson-protest-figure-says-violent-elements-could-derail-peaceful-message/article_cab709e9-f6af-5c35-a624-4a3f0a1383eb.html
Ferguson: Violence Flares Again as Police Confront Protesters
http://online.wsj.com/articles/ferguson-violence-flares-again-as-police-confront-protesters-1408407117
Ferguson violence prompts Chicago police outreach
http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/ferguson-violence-prompts-chicago-police-outreach/article_3e7e84fc-8629-5308-8546-0db78c9da162.html
Ferguson streets were calm until bottles fly
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/missouri-teen-shooting/
Ferguson activists disrupt traffic in downtown Clayton
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-activists-disrupt-traffic-in-downtown-clayton/article_d6945f5b-8a78-5af6-b15e-deb9c61cfe99.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/20/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKCN0J315K20141120
(Reuters) - Police in Ferguson, Missouri, kept alert on Thursday for signs of tension after arresting five people for blocking a street the night before in a protest demanding the criminal indictment of a white police officer who shot dead an unarmed black teenager in August.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)clearly have bought the Faux News frame that the lion's share of violence has come from protesters. And there's never really convincing folks of your stripe. No amount of evidence or argument to the contrary will ever convince you to change your mind.
So I'll just state the antithesis directly: the lion's share of violence in the 105 days since killer cop Wilson gunned down unarmed Michael Brown has come from the police and law enforcement agencies. The violence of protesters has been minuscule by comparison.
Wella
(1,827 posts)It's interesting to me that you have to misrepresent actual sources that people can see for themselves.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and other non amerikkkan MSM will be there to record the truth along with the internet access. Anyone who has faced amerikkkan racism knows what's going on and those that haven't DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE as to what is really going on in amerikkka today when it comes to race relations. Keep up the truth, you are standing on firm moral ground.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Said same thing about the Zimmerman trial. They were convinced there would be riots -- nope, none.
In any event, folks are out purchasing gunz and the big-time gun owners are greasing theirs up in preparation. Darn disgusting if you ask me.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)It's always so disappointing when the promised race war never comes. But the noble Aryan warriors fill the ranks of the police, military, and paramilitary outfits looking for a chance to advance their agenda, 1 body at a time.
The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)An indictment isn't a conviction. It means there's a good reason to go to trial, but that doesn't automatically mean he'll be found guilty. They obviously don't think he'll be found innocent.
randys1
(16,286 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)Of course. My point is that they're afraid of a trial because they know he's guilty.
randys1
(16,286 posts)half of the democrats, we are in deep shit...
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)They don't think a white cop killing an unarmed black person is even worthy of a trial. The DA went with a grand jury because he's counting on them to go with their bias. Emmett Louis Till type juries are becoming the norm.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)There were violent riots in Ferguson a few months ago. I'm not talking about protests; when people start setting stores on fire, there are riots. When there are riots, bad things happen. When the Quiktrip was first attacked, employees were still inside. It only makes sense to prepare in case there are more riots.
There is nothing wrong with people (of any race) being prepared for violence. Being prepared to defend oneself does not equal "preparing for war."
randys1
(16,286 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I live in Oklahoma and eat mostly fast food. Yes, I know you think it's a crime and a mortal sin that I own two guns, but that's hardly "prepping" for anything.
Oh Hoyt...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)their brothers and sisters in St. Louis County (Missouri), all the guns and bullets in the world won't mean jack shit or stop the coming storm.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)about ferguson, protest about open executions on the street, black anger at that type of murder, wilson ,nixon, mcolic, zimpig, racism in amerikkka or racist cops. You just can't. So stop trying so hard.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)who are into guns really don't have any use for them. The guns give them a sense of power but with out a reason to use them it is similar to having a wet dream.
Now Ferguson like Cliven Bundy gives a sense of power and a reason to carry a gun.
It is all fantasy like the militia who play army but they support each other's fantasy.
I also think a shrink would back me up. The reason this is so is that these fucks could just as well STFU and stay home because they have no real role to play and are just inserting themselves in the problem.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Since you seem convinced that there will be "hell to pay", wouldn't that seem a logical reason to prepare for it?
Ahh... Perhaps you are suggesting that all the "white people" got together and started preparing for a conflict that wasn't going to happen and everyone on the other side didn't want them to feel silly so then, and only then, did they decide to cause a ruckus if only to make the aforementioned "white folks" not feel like their preparations went to waste.
(A ? B) does not necessarily mean (B ? A)
Logic... Amazing stuff...
randys1
(16,286 posts)IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
IF HE IS SO INNOCENT
Why would they be so worried that something was going to happen?
I honest to god did not think I would get this reaction, I thought this was a liberal message board, it is NOT
And the hell to pay wont come in Ferguson...it wont come from the African American community...they are too good for that, they are too patient for that.
B2G
(9,766 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts) GGJohn
(9,951 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)it's up to you to prove that there are racists in this thread.
And I stick by what I said.
randys1
(16,286 posts)if it is just to the extent that they accept and prosper from white privilege and do nothing about it, myself included
It is so funny, a Black Woman I know warned me years ago, she said never accuse them of being racist, it is ALL you will talk about from that point forward, they cant ever admit it and it serves no purpose
BOY BOY BOY was she right
ps, only people who are part of the institutional power structure, which in USA is still white, can be racists
you can be a bigot, you can be Black and HATE white people solely because they are white, for sure, but it isnt racism unless you are part of what controls the institutions, the banks, the insurance companies, the courts, etc
bravenak
(34,648 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)
Thank god climate change is going to wipe us all out pretty soon, i dont know how much more of this i can take
If i ever win the lottery, I am going to pay Paul Mooney to post on DU....can you IMAGINE
It would like any other gig for him, stand up or acting...oh god I would pay him big actually
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He has to post in GD. All day. One hundred race threads. It would be enjoyable for me.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I miss George so much - he could say what some couldnt
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I loved his sitcom. Wished he was my Uncle.
You ever watched the show Broad City? Watch it. You will die laughing.
Hannibal Buress is on it, he plays a Dentist. You gotta see the poop episode and the one where Abby buys her own weed. Oh, boy!! Best show on TV.
I like Chozen too. Knew a guy like him once. Called himself LG. Lovely Gangster. He was pretty though. Yeah, Chozen and Broad City can cheer you up instantly.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Oh wait, i looked it up, have heard of Broad City, will check it out again
I watched the Jesus is Black show a little bit, didnt laugh too much but i need to see more
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I did a no TV month and forgot about it. Putting it on my list!!
randys1
(16,286 posts)racists in America
the deal was I do it, take the heat, and you buy me a steak dinner, now I want prime rib AND filet mignon
GGJohn
(9,951 posts) bravenak
(34,648 posts)You know what you were getting into when you joined the 'Network'. We only do Barbecues and only in the Summer. If you want payment anytime soon you have to come get your weed in person.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Oh my god!
Paul Mooney at DU would break the site.
Random Poster - Paul - why are black men so cool?
Paul - Why do you only have two teeth?
randys1
(16,286 posts)with Paul as the Patriarch to a family NOTHING like the one on the Cosby show
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Chappelle is the anti Wayne Brady.
Mooney was the anti Cosby.
You gotta read Black Is The New White. Especially when he talks about Hollywood - says he isn't know what racism was until he left Jim Crow Louisiana and moved to California.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)That ride along skit slayed me at the time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts) GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Just about every post of yours here is a racist post.
You are part of the problem with racism in this country, running around accusing ALL white people of being racist.
The truly sad thing is that your hatred is blinding you to the fact that you're way off base here.
But please, do carry on.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts) GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The only one going on a racist rant here was him, nobody else.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And complaining about supposed anti-white bias is the very opposite of that, considering it wasn't a white kid gunned down and left in the street all day.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I was willing to cut him some slack until he started saying all whites were racist and if we didn't agree with him, we weren't true liberals, at that point, I felt the need to answer him.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)But growing up and living our lives in a racist society, it's inevitable that we'll all be shaped and impacted by that. As much as we wouldn't wish to be.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)and claiming that we're not true liberals because we don't agree with his way of thinking was way over the top.
And just to be clear, not once did I alert on any of his posts, I prefer dialog over censorship.
Response to randys1 (Reply #135)
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randys1
(16,286 posts)preparing for war, insult me
So far not one person has refuted the statement, have you noticed that?
There is a reason for that...
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... and you haven't answered anyone's questions, least of all mine.
Do you understand the meaning of the word refute?
randys1
(16,286 posts)You see this is why folks like you cant be taken seriously...
it is ALL anybody is talking about
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)They may be preparing for violence, but that's a long ways from promoting violence.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Insisting that the AA community is going to react in violence is promoting said violence...
deal with it
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)groups try to start violence.
Post a link that Gov. Nixon said that he's activated the NG because he fears that AA's will riot.
He's more worried about extremist groups like the KKK, RW militia's who've already threatened violence.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Are there a couple of teenagers there who just discovered tumblr and you are all taking turns spouting this stuff but neglecting to inform each other of what you put down?
Read your OP and get back to the grown ups...
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)First of all, not all white Americans are racist. That is not only utterly and totally inaccurate, but, frankly, if this were, speaking hypothetically, coming out of the mouth of anyone who wasn't white, it would in fact, be RACIST. Yeah, I said it. Structural theories aside, racism on the intrapersonal level can be done by anyone; Louis Farrakhan and Kamau Kambon are couple of rather applicable examples of racists who happen to be black.....as is Dieudonne, the French purported "comedian" with an anti-Semitism problem. Sadly, there's even a few Latino racists; the guy who runs "La Voz De Aztlan" in L.A. seems to be one of those.
But what bothers me more than anything is the fact that you seem to be completely unaware of just how screwy you came across right here.
randys1
(16,286 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)That may not be so much a lie, but it's still an untruth. And one that, I hate to say, does seem to reek of self-loathing.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)You are gonna love rediscovering tomorrow what you put out today...
A magical discovery...
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Zero... Literal null...
Are you suggesting that whether or not a shop owner, for example, prepares his store for conflict is dependent on his personal belief as to Wilson's guilt? Do they hang a sign out front so anyone who does intend harm can know to move onto the next shop that believes him guilty?
Lastly, the end bit there.... If the "hell to pay" doesn't come from the AA community then where will it come from and what form do you expect it to take? Be specific...
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Maybe because if he were innocent and got no-billed the people who think he's guilty and the GJ is a sham are going to be pissed?
Exactly the same as if he's guilty and got no-billed.
The only reason not to be concerned about unrest is if you believed 100% in the justice system, which is nobody.
Maybe that's why nobody really understands what you're on about.
raging moderate
(4,304 posts)How many protesters did NOT set fires? How many stores did NOT get set on fire?
How many protesters looted stores? How many stores got looted?
How many did NOT?
How many protesters initiated physical attacks on other people? How many did NOT?
What were the percentages?
When did the looters commit their looting?
When did the vandalizing protesters commit their acts of vandalism?
When did the violent protesters commit their acts of violence?
Can we differentiate between some people who are being normally cautious, and others who are clearly overreacting?
Can we come up with solutions other than the same old overreactions?
I like the suggestion given above, to pass out something nice to the protesters.
The US Constitution decrees that the people have the right to assemble peaceably for the redress of wrongs.
randys1
(16,286 posts)out of the area, we know that for sure
You have a good idea or someone does, I wonder if there is a place where we can donate to the local community to clean up the mess that the authorities and KKK and others seem intent on creating.
ctaylors6
(693 posts)I imagine there's a store owner in Ferguson who watches the media reports of national guard being ordered to town, 100 FBI agents being sent to town, and thinks to him- or herself, maybe I should plan for something bad to happen. I honestly think there are probably people who own business and have homes there and might not even have a prediction about the outcome of the grand jury but see the authorities ramping up for WW3 and think maybe they should do something personally too.
I'm definitely not saying that's the reason for ALL of the people. But I do think the media turns it up to 11 in cases like this, and I think it sucks in a lot of people.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)where there is only emotion will leave you wanting...
sP
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)
Enrique
(27,461 posts)you would pretend that it makes sense. 
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)racism is built on a foundation of fear. period. That fear turns into hate, and logical, rational thought went into how to create systems and institutions to keep the subject(s) of their fear and hate oppressed enough to not be a threat to the privilege many in this society enjoy mainly because of their skin color. Emotionally, today in and around ferguson, the whites(KKK and other white power structure idiots) ARE emotionally shaky thinking of the reaction some might have to the upcoming travesty of justice. So you're right.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)They are imagining a rioting and looting event on par with the Rodney King decision. The conservative media has told them that the police and National Guard will be overwhelmed, and inferred that the black President won't be there to help them. The phrase I've read is along the lines of, "if you've failed to arm yourself for this event, you have only yourself to blame if you get hurt/killed." To attempt to guarantee that this is how it will play out, campaigns like #pantsupdontloot have been put out in the media.
These conservative whites who are buying the guns don't think Wilson did anything wrong. On the contrary -- they have bought into the narrative that Brown stole from a c-store; roughed up a clerk; and was shot subsequent to assaulting an officer. In their world, the liberal media has whipped the black population of Ferguson up into a frenzy, and they will be incited to riot when the facts come out, and the indictment they'd been led to believe would come fails to materialize.
I hear what you're saying in the OP, but you are incorrect. They think Wilson is innocent.
Anticipating your next question: why is Wilson resigning? Not out of guilt, but because he knows he's a marked man in Ferguson. He'll end up on a small town PD in Idaho.
randys1
(16,286 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts) Oktober
(1,488 posts)... of lunacy and hyperbolic overreaction from the left.
Feel good about that?
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)it would be a national crisis. Young black folks being killed by cops, white men and yes each other just doesn't seem to matter to many white people until black folks protest and then they feel all bets are off and they can get ready to "defend" themselves.
This is not just about ferguson and brown. Some segment of white folks are itching for battle. Many more just don't care. And there are far too little that do care about black kids dying from violence.
Honestly if I had a business in ferguson I would probably close for the day but I would never arm myself and stand guard to protect it. How would that help? How would "defending" myself help? I would join up with some of the community groups to ask what would help.
The protesters in ferguson seem to understand civil disobedience. They are prepared to be arrested and have been doing workshops on how to deal with out of control police. I hear more threats coming from white folks who have nothing to do with ferguson buying guns, talking about self defense and what they're going to do to black protesters. What I hear from protesters in ferguson is plans for protest.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Perfect. Absolutely PERFECT.
randys1
(16,286 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I don't think he's innocent, but I don't decide anything.
I think that most of the stuff that is going on comes from fear mongering. People listen to morons on talk radio and freak out. The cops there are probably spoiling for a fight regardless of an indictment or not. As far as people boarding up their businesses - that's up to them. I'm not going to judge them one way or the other.
randys1
(16,286 posts)then I can start warning about another trial like the FARCE that was Zimmerman
Rex
(65,616 posts)The usual cop apologists got really upset with what you said there, the truth can be very disturbing. I've been thinking the exact same thing since Nixon called for a state of emergency...when there is none.
You bring up an ugly, ugly truth many people don't want to hear.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I was just doing what I do, making statements that I assume are obvious to everyone
Rex
(65,616 posts)And like you, I hope they do eventually take Wilson to trial to answer for his crime.
Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)
randys1
(16,286 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts) Fla_Democrat
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"The one who was saved by a Black man?", it's been a while, my memory is kind of foggy..... what was he saved from? Evil racists stocking up for war? Rogue cops, murdering people in the street? The metric system?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It seems perfectly obvious that white people are arming to the teeth in hope of a race war, or at least an opportunity to go out and shoot a few brown-skinned people. If there's any unrest at all in Ferguson, they'll consider it open season. I hope the protesters stay safe. Too many scary people with too many guns.
You're pissing off the right people.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)we're laughing at his ridiculous hyperbole.
And, pray tell, just how is it obvious that white people are "arming to the teeth" in the hope of a race war?
Do you have any links of those white people saying that?
maced666
(771 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)White conservatives, that is.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I tipped, although I think the 'WILL be hell to pay for it' probably leads some to think you're suggesting protesters will resort to violence, even though you haven't suggested any such thing, merely pointed out the fear and paranoia of the surrounding communities.
The prosecutor has gone out of his way to make a no bill the most likely outcome while still covering his own ass by not actually telling the grand jury it's the outcome he wants. I HOPE the grand jury is honest enough to return a result that matches the actions taken by Wilson against Brown after they left the vicinity of the car, but I'm cynical enough to think that all of the leaks suggest they're not going to.
But there simply can't continue to be one set of laws for the general public, and a different set for police, that allow them to employ violence at will with no chance of punishment, no matter how often they kill unarmed members of the public. That has to end.
raging moderate
(4,304 posts)When I was a kid, after school, my brother and I used to watch them on TV a lot. I have come to suspect that such movies and shows created a subconscious conditioned Alert! reflex reaction to Black (and somewhat to Latino) people. Our family spoke respectfully of Black and Latino people, but our questions at home about such people were met by shallow platitudes, and questions about them in their presence were met by a tense "Sh-sh-sh, we don't make personal remarks about people! It's rude!" I guess they had seen those movies, too. We almost never saw Black people in our dingy poor little neighborhood in Chicago, a city that was so color coded that you could tell which subway train to get on by how the riders on it looked. But there, in those movies, they were portrayed as extremely stupid, unable to talk in complete sentences, stuck in the Stone Age, and/or viciously, irrationally irritable, like a bomb that had to be watched closely and handled carefully or it might explode. And Latino people were portrayed as only slightly better, but also the sort of people who would be better off doing the simple labor while the brave, resourceful, intelligent white people should take the responsibility of doing the "difficult high-level work" of supervision. And I suspect that many white people my age have this little conditioned reflex from things like those movies, a sort of involuntary unarticulated Alert! reaction. Now, if you read a bunch of different books and mix with a bunch of different people and watch a bunch of different movies, you have an opportunity to realize what immensely rotten lies were told in these movies, and to gain some insight into your mind and how crafty people may have found ways to push buttons inside you to make you more useful to them. Also, I am aware that some extremely wise, kind, sensitive, insightful Black people and Latino people have helped me grow along the way, and these memories act like a wave that lifts me out of that reflex. I monitor my thoughts, remind myself of reparative information, rehearse less delusional reactions, and basically say "Shut up!" to the auditory memories from that little crack in my mind. I wonder if other white people are experiencing these conditioned reflexes without realizing where the blasted things came from.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Is/should be a rhetorical question; but, I would have to answer "Yes."
I have seen, in this thread and far to many others, where any attempt to up-date pre-civil rights era thinking, specifically, on the 21st century definition of Racism ... from peer-reviewed, academic journals, is met with: "Well, I don't accept that definition ... We will have to agree to disagree", as if that would be acceptable on any other topic.
BTW, great post.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Do you think an intelligent person would believe that the reaction would be peaceful if no true bill is returned? If you thought there was a significant chance that your home and / or business would get trashed in rioting, what would you do?
840high
(17,196 posts)my family and property. Period.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)was in danger, I would leave town.
A home can be replaced. I see no reason to "protect" things!
rudolph the red
(666 posts)Maybe they can't afford to leave town, maybe their business or their home is all they have and they would prefer to keep it.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)if buildings were being burned during riots, there would not be much anyone could do about it. I don't think any protection would have saved homes during the 60's riots.
I figure insurance would take care of my home. My duty is to protect my family.
Guess I missed the RW talking points after Katrina. We didn't have electricity.
Blue_Tires
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Quantess
(27,630 posts)
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But the OP is so very proud of himself .
Sitting up on his high horse.
ctaylors6
(693 posts)flocking to Ferguson. That's what I was hearing on the TV news reports this morning. I think they said even the two apprehended by FBI weren't from the area.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)White people in America have been at war with minorities since tgey arrived and began the process of land theft and genocide and slavery. Killing millions of natives, killing milkions of Africans, the trail of tears, Jim Crow, and the Prison Industrial Complex are examples of White making War against colored people.
I get my feelings hurt too by the idea that my people worked, lived and died under the lash of a masters whip and yet and still we are treated like refuse. If your feelings are hurt because white folks are blamed for the racism they refuse to let go of...... Too bad. You have it good compared to the two gentlemen who just spent 40 years in prison for a murder they did not commit. One witness, told to lie by the police got them convicted. This happens to us all the time. Why should people shut up to spare white folks feelings? Nobody shuts up to spare our feelings. Ever! You will get used to it. The rest if us deal with it and none if the people caring about white feelings ever seem to care that the rest of us deal with far worse than that on a daily basis. Ain't nobody special. And there will be more discussion as time goes on and the nation gets browner. Work on your people and the cycle can end. Otherwise, our grabdkinds will continue this battle in a less lopsided manner. I hope that they are much kinder when they are in the majority that your peopke were in their time. But humans are humans.
You need to start working on th racists in the white community. There are four hundred years of violence and evil that have not been reconciled in our nation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)arrived in this country in 1956. Never owned any other human as far as I know.
In their 80s they both voted for Obama.
All whites are not racists.
Generalizations are tiresome.
And vicious.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I never said all. Just saying that is what we live with.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I choose my words deliberately. I said nothing of the sort. Hence your lack of quote.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I knew this OP was racist flamebait.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You think the white guy who wrote the op is a racist? Against whom?
Quantess
(27,630 posts)That the guy who wrote the OP is white is meaningless.
I don't think so but it's fine with me that you do.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)They are *actively* harming the Progressive cause, and that of the Left as a whole.....even if most of it's perpetrators may not realize that.....
I mean, if such a thing was even *halfway* true.....I hate to say this, but we'd have had at least a Mussolini or a Franco by now.....and possibly much worse. So yeah.....
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Whatever works for you, in your mind. As though black people cannot be racist. I suppose you subscribe to that belief, too.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I said the history show what it shows. The op say people 'who are prepping' for a race war. Those people ar not black and have not historically been black. Wasting time worrying about hurt feelings about pointing that out is nonsense.
PDJane
(10,103 posts)The white minority in Ferguson is willing to start a race war to defend their view of those who are perceived to be different. It's their perception that is at issue, and their perceived superiority. It has nothing to do with reality.
Wilson is a police officer, and he's going to skate. No one is going to admit to the world that he is a racist fool, a man who uses his badge to shield him from his own actions.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Thankfully, it's kind of a given that these racists & other bigots aren't exactly the majority, speaking over all.....OTOH, though, the scary part is, is that the racists are WAY over-represented in a number of fields, including not a few city police departments. Could the corrupt factions of the government be colluding with, and even egging on, these elements, and possibly try to put something like the "King Alfred Plan" or REX-84 into place? This next decade could be an interesting one indeed.....
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Droning Predator
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In this case, last is most definitely least!
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)as opposed to a belief Darren Wilson is guilty. I could very well be wrong, but it looks like racial fear to me.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The white supremacists arming themselves know no more about this case than do the rest of us. The arming is only a measure of their fears and fantasies.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and they know that will piss off a lot of people. some white americans like to pretend they have been in a bubble for the last 50+ years. they know damn well that this system works very hard NOT to punish people like Wilson. and they know damn well that's been the case for a very long time.
heaven05
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I agree 1000%. Anyone can see the murderous intent of wilson. Only those in denial have tried to explain it away. They have shown their true colors. But expected by me.
maced666
(771 posts)Know they are way behind 'black people' here on a curve, but 'they' are catching up and would like it to stop.
