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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGuess which 3 countries just voted against preventing, glorifying and promoting Nazism?
The US, Ukraine and Canada.......that's who. Pretty much sums it all up lately.
http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/C.3/69/L.56/Rev.1&referer=http://www.un.org/en/documents/&Lang=E
Voting NO might have had something to do with this section, as this is pretty much what has been happening in Ukraine.
4. Expresses deep concern about the glorification, in any form, of the Nazi movement, neo-Nazism and former members of the Waffen SS organization, including by erecting monuments and memorials and holding public demonstrations in the name of the glorification of the Nazi past, the Nazi movement and neo Nazism, as well as by declaring or attempting to declare such members and those who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition and collaborated with the Nazi movement participants in national liberation movements;
or possibly it was one of these two sections, both of which apply to segments of the Kiev, Ukrainian government.
6. Emphasizes the recommendation of the Special Rapporteur that “any commemorative celebration of the Nazi regime, its allies and related organizations, whether official or unofficial, should be prohibited by States”,12 and stresses in this regard that it is important that States take measures, in accordance with international human rights law, to counteract any celebration of the Nazi SS organization and all its integral parts, including the Waffen SS;
7. Expresses concern about recurring attempts to desecrate or demolish monuments erected in remembrance of those who fought against Nazism during the Second World War, as well as to unlawfully exhume or remove the remains of such persons, and in this regard urges States to fully comply with their relevant obligations, inter alia, under article 34 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949;13
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NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)First Amendment.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Considering the only 3 countries voting NO were the US, Canada and Ukraine
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html
Excerpt:
As Ukraine’s armed forces tighten the noose around pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country, the western-backed government in Kiev is throwing militia groups – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle.
The Azov battalion has the most chilling reputation of all. Last week, it came to the fore as it mounted a bold attack on the rebel redoubt of Donetsk, striking deep into the suburbs of a city under siege.
But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming.
The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.
A former history student and amateur boxer, Mr Biletsky is also head of an extremist Ukrainian group called the Social National Assembly. “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival,” he wrote in a recent commentary. “A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”
The battalion itself is founded on right wing views, the commander said in Urzuf, and no Nazi convictions could exclude a recruit. “The most important thing is being a good fighter and a good brother so that we can trust each other,” he said.
Asked about his Nazi sympathies, he said: “After the First World World War, Germany was a total mess and Hitler rebuilt it: he built houses and roads, put in telephone lines, and created jobs. I respect that.” Homosexuality is a mental illness and the scale of the Holocaust “is a big question”, he added.
This article lays it all out folks. It can't be hidden anymore. The US media has been covering it all up. The US government has climbed into bed with nazis in Ukraine.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The right to free speech.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/12/us_plunges_in_global_press_freedom
Since 911, and more particularly since Obama was elected, more whistleblowers have been charged with espionage than
in all previous administrations combined.
Ever heard of James Risen? Currently threatened with jail if he doesn't reveal sources?
"Journalists Call On Obama To Ease Crackdown On Reporters"
http://www.defendingdissent.org/now/news/committee-to-protect-journalists-calls-on-obama-administration-to-ease-crackdown-on-reporters/
What about the US' giving military aid to Egypt, while Egypt has locked up reporters?
Remember when Sen Dianne Feinstein wanted to legislate who could be designated a journalist?
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)12.
Calls upon States to continue to take adequate steps, including through national legislation, in accordance with international human rights law, aimed at the prevention of hate speech and incitement to violence against persons belonging to vulnerable groups;
13.
Expresses deep concern about attempts at commercial advertising aimed at exploiting the sufferings of the victims of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed during the Second World War by the Nazi regime;
14.
Stresses that the practices described above do injustice to the memory of the countless victims of crimes against humanity committed in the Second World War, in particular those committed by the SS organization and by those who fought against the anti Hitler coalition and collaborated with the Nazi movement, and may negatively influence children and young people, and that failure by States to effectively address such practices is incompatible with the obligations of States Members of the United Nations under its Charter, including those related to the purposes and principles of the Organization;
We cannot legally do those things under our Constitution.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That IS our foundation.
When we get into "Watch what you say, watch what you do..." territory, we're in trouble. And even though this is about hate speech, we've got to let those haters hate, and then tell them what asses they are.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you have a problem with free speech?
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Especially ones that kill innocent women and children. Do you not have a problem with that? The first minute of this video shows a platoon of the Azov Nazi battalion openly marching in Kiev holding a Waffen SS Wolfsangel flag once held by Hitlers most evil battalions. Graphic Warning: The rest of the video shows atrocities they are committing upon civilians.
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)we have a right to free speech no matter how repungent it is.
I may abhor what someone says, but I'll defend their right to say it.
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)One can have a problem with nazism and yet acknowledge that our country cannot discriminate on speech. If some jackass wants to wave a third reich flag in the public, the government cannot stop him.
As for people who kill - we have laws covering that already.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)So what?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)......
On March 1, 1934, the German embassy's number two man, Rudolf Leitner, met with a State Department official named John Hickerson and urged him to "do something to prevent this trial because of its lamentable effect on German public opinion if it should take place". Hickerson replied that owing to "our constitutional guarantees of freedom of expression" the federal government could do nothing to stop it. Leitner found this difficult to fathom. He told Hickerson "that if the circumstances were reversed the German Government would certainly find a way of stopping such a proceeding".
From "In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler's Berlin".
http://www.amazon.com/In-Garden-Beasts-American-Hitlers/dp/030740885X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347744064&sr=8-1&keywords=in+the+garden+of+beasts
I like having a First Amendment, despite other countries finding it "difficult to fathom".
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Unfortunately, the OP seems to have a problem with our 1A.
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)Nearly everyone will proudly say they support free speech, but when exposed to speech offensive to them, they believe it should be silenced, and are usually miffed when they realize that it cannot be silenced because of Freedom of Speech.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)It's "I support my right to say what I want, but if someone offends me, I want it silenced".
Monk06
(7,675 posts)and support the right of citizens to propagate Nazi and racist ideology.
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)Freedom of speech is a fundamental concept, with a core concept of "You can't restrict speech based on its content." I don't see how you can't also be "pro-Israel" while supporting that concept. It's not that Harper supports Nazism - he just doesn't believe in restricting speech based on content.
For the record, many nations opposing Israel do not have true freedom of speech. One can be tried and sentenced (in some cases with death) for "crimes" like blasphemy.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)but it does speak quite poetically that the only 3 countries to vote NO on that UN doc are Ukraine, Canada and the US.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)would deem this constitutional, and Canada is probably of the same mind and of course Ukraine is going to oppose this.
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)Most of whom are our allies. Most of whom are also Democracies.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Funny how the OP failed to mention that.
Well, no it ain't considering his past threads on Russia and Ukraine.
branford
(4,462 posts)at least when it's convenient, doesn't offend anyone, and reserve the right to change their minds.
cali
(114,904 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)I'm a liberal, actively pro-Israel, Jewish attorney from New York who lost most of my family in the Holocaust. I nevertheless support freedom of speech, even that which offends me, including Nazi garbage.
We don't need the 1A to protect popular speech. It's ideas that may not be popular that need the protection of law. In fact, our broad and classically liberal interpretation of the 1A was due to primarily liberal groups like the ACLU winning difficult and unpopular legal battles, often to protect the rights of left-wing groups like communists and socialists in the USA. It's the same free speech guarantees that protect both left and right-wing ideas and everything else.
The proper (and legal) response to offensive speech is more speech, not the government silencing those with whom we disagree. Moreover, I prefer that people be open about their ideologies. It permits us to more easily identify and oppose the racists and other filth in our midst.
Lastly, whether Stephen Harper is the "the strongest ally of Israel in the west" is an opinion best left for Israelis, not you or me. Apparently, the politically diverse populace of Israel has a range of opinions concerning PM Harper, but he appears to be quite popular. I doubt Canada's support for free speech will negatively impact the popularity of Harper any more than it will affect the popularity of Obama and the USA in Israel.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Society never profits when it goes down the road of censorship.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)The best way to discredit Holocaust deniers is to allow them to speak.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and I do not support limits on speech, even hateful and mind-bogglingly stupid speech like Holocaust denial.
Spazito
(55,500 posts)Section 2(b) of the Charter states that "Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: ... freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication." The section potentially could cover a wide range of action, from commercial expression to political expression; from journalistic privilege to hate speech to pornography. The jurisprudence of the Supreme Court (see links below) has largely been an attempt to carve out: first, the purpose of s. 2(b) (what values does it seek to protect, who should be entitled to its protection); and second, the scope of s. 2(b) (what is 'expression'?).
http://www.uottawa.ca/constitutional-law/expression.html
Much as I despise Harper, in this vote the government is upholding the Charter.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)Israel has laws against holocaust denial, which is neo Nazi propaganda. Harper is coddling the Canadian RW holocaust deniers using a phony free speech argument and at the same time sending a mixed message to Israel regarding Canada's support of Jews in Israel and around the world.
That half a dozen dumb chimps jumped all over my post, either intentionally or unintentionally missing my point, makes me despair of commenting on this site.
As far as freedom of speech goes it does not exist in the US nor any country the US has 'liberated'.
The degree to which even liberal Americans believe their national myths is appalling.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)
MattSh
(3,714 posts)and most, if not all of the EU.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)U.S. Supreme Court for that matter - The same principle of why a law banning flag burning would be unconstitutional in the U.S. -- The right to say anything - no matter how offensive. It would be the same principle as to why a person can promote authoritarian communism or argue against any age of consent laws - These are all offensive ideas to the vast majority of Americans. But there is no need to protect the right to speech that doesn't offend anyone.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,212 posts)The draft would have the Assembly express deep concern about the glorification of the Nazi movement and former members of the Waffen SS organization, including by erecting monuments and memorials and holding public demonstrations in the name of the glorification of the Nazi past, the Nazi movement and neo-Nazism, as well as by declaring or attempting to declare such members and those who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition and collaborated with the Nazi movement as participants in national liberation movements.
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Speaking in explanation of vote before the vote, the representative of the United States said that there was much in the resolution with which her country could agree. It shared the repugnance of other Committee members towards any glorification of Nazism. But the United States was concerned that the text did not make a distinction between actions and expressions. Indeed, it did not consider the prohibition of expression an effective or appropriate means of eliminating intolerance. In a free society, hateful ideas would fail on their own merit. The best way to combat intolerance was a robust legal scheme that prohibited hate crimes and protected freedom of speech. Thus, her delegation could not vote for the text as drafted.
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(The representative of Sweden) said, however, that, given the importance of the issue, the Union regretted that the text did not reflect all proposals submitted by all delegations, which would have led to a more acceptable text. It further regretted that a number of its own more serious proposals had not been incorporated. As in past years, the text continued to be selective. Moreover, new paragraphs were introduced that contributed to further dilute the text. The Union would have also liked to have seen the text’s inaccurate reflection on the Nuremburg trials corrected, particularly by incorporating its proposal that a direct quote be inserted into the text. Another matter of concern related to the tact taken to address those practices. The Union fully believed that, to be effective, the fight against racism, xenophobia and related intolerance had to take into account articles 4 and 5 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. Further, the Special Rapporteur needed to address contemporary forms of racism, xenophobia and related intolerance, and the request made to him in this year’s text would strongly undermine that approach.
http://www.un.org/press/en/2009/gashc3967.doc.htm
Notice that 'in past years' from Sweden, speaking on behalf of the EU. This is a yearly occurrence. Russia puts up the resolution, the USA says they're fine with combating Nazism, but freedom of speech means they must vote against it, and the EU abstains on the grounds that there are omissions or misrepresentations in the text.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)created only for the purposes of grandstanding.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)It's akin to trying to keep your kids healthy by putting them in a plastic bubble their whole lives.
Angleae
(4,801 posts)That would include most of europe (including Germany). The only european counties that found voting yes were Russia and Belarus.
PS: Canada voted no.
pampango
(24,692 posts)I know which European country qualifies as the most fascist, IMHO.
Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.
The Nazis said that homosexuality was degenerate, effeminate, perverted, and undermined masculinity because it did not produce children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Emphasis on nationalism and military power;
Veneration of the state (restoring pride in and/or fear of the Fatherland);
Devotion to a strong leader;
Right of stronger nations to expand their territory displacing weaker ones;
Focus less on class conflict and more on conflict between nations, races and ethnic groups;
Opposition to homosexuality and promotion of 'traditional roles' for women.
I wonder which European country best fits that definition.
KinMd
(966 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)who did not vote yes to this idiotic proposal.
tritsofme
(19,900 posts)Congratulations to those three countries for having the courage to stand up for speech.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Let's look at that 'courage' your talking about. Graphic Warning:
Ukraine is showing it's true fascist colours to the world. The following video and link show that Ukrainian children are being indoctrinated into far right fascist ideology. The first video, taken a few weeks ago, shows small children singing Nationalist far right anthems while holding the flag of the Right Sektor who worship WW2 nazi collaborator Stephen Bandera whose battalions killed 80,000 Poles and Jews on behalf of Adolf Hitler in WW2.
The second link shows teenage army cadets also holding a Right Sektor flag. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204005514490968&set=gm.637404626372595&type=1&theater
Children are being indoctrinated and people are being abused for not adhering to this obvious child abuse. Here is an example of a young boy in Kharkov being beaten by a group of grown fascist men for not accepting the new rules.
Throughout New Ukraine beatings, abductions and murders are now becoming even more common. People who do not conform to the ideology of the Right Sektor are having their homes raided and are being imprisoned or disappeared. Here is an example of a family in Kharkov who were raided for supposedly hanging a flag from the window. The father was framed and abducted on false charges in the middle of the night thereby leaving his wife and children wondering what happened to their dad. This tactic is the same as those used by the Gestapo and the former Soviet KGB.
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The next video is highly graphic and shows the body of a woman who was tortured at a location held by the Right Sektor nazi battalions that make up Ukraines new US financed army. Her toe has been shot off, her skull has been crushed and her body was tied with a rock and thrown in the river. The video shows that the people that did this to her were supplied with US MRE's (Meals Ready to Eat). The US is on record as having been supplying these to the new Ukrainian government. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/18/fact-sheet-us-support-ukraine
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As the Kiev regimes troops fall back and the Novorossiyas Armed Forces move towards the new boundaries, graves of innocent victims of the Kiev regime are being discovered. This video shows a grave where the bodies of 4 women who were abducted were found.
The Global Research website has more on the subject. They cite over 40 bodies exhumed thus far. http://www.globalresearch.ca/dozens-of-bodies-found-in-mass-graves-in-eastern-ukraine/5404183
The next two videos highlight torture techniques being used on prisoners by the Right Sektor US financed battalions.
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In this video words were burned onto this soldiers body:
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If you doubt that US is knowingly financing these Nazi battalions please examine the following link which highlights Ukrainian neo-nazi 'Donbass' battalion commander, Semyon Semyonchenko, meeting in the United States with US officials. This fact was posted to his very own Facebook page by himself. He met with US senators Bob Corker and Robert Menendez while on a US financed trip to Washington.
http://russiainsider.com/en/politics_ukraine/2014/09/26/06-54-29pm/ukrainian_neo-nazi_commander_us_training_and_funding_us
During this so called 'cease fire' the aforementioned battalion commander and Poroshenkos army have continued to bomb civilian areas....the following are a few examples. Graphic warning: Links features an east Ukrainian woman with her head blown off as wells numerous other atrocities conducted against innocent civilians by the Kiev coup imposed regime.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1473545366252807&set=pcb.1473546239586053&type=1&theater
In this next video another innocent woman is killed.
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This video features two women and a young girl killed in mid September during the non 'cease fire'.....once again highlighting that nothing has really changed, except for the International mass medias description of events. Just as before, however, they continue to cover up the atrocities being conducted by the Kiev regime against the innocent ethnic Russian population of east Ukraine.
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In order to explain what is really going on in the newly 'European' fascist state of Ukraine I present this video which
provides an insightful look into the history of recent fascism in Ukraine and how it evolved into the out of control, fascist state that it is today. The video also features US senator John McCain working alongside the openly pro-Nazi leaders.
In Kiev the fascist are punishing anyone in the RADA who doesn't vote in accordance to what the fascist believe by conducting a new ritual of abducting and abusing them and throwing them into trash containers. Here are numerous examples.
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Fascism and nazism are also on full display in the city of Kharkov. The following video highlights the desecration of the local Lenin statue by large groups of pro nazi Right Sektor youth. The fact that these groups are pro Nazi is always covered up in US and EU press stories.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=114_1411926274
Here we see the same youth gangs attacking elderly peace marchers in Kharkov city center. Note that the police do very little to stop or arrest them.
Paradoxically, in this video the police decide to arrest the elderly peace marchers who are denouncing the fascist state.
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Note the obvious difference in police actions. Young people holding nazi flags desecrate and use violence and light petrol bombs are given a free pass for their nefarious activities.
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Elderly people who peacefully protest, they get arrested. This is fascism plain and simple.
For those still not convinced that Ukraine is now officially a full blown failed fascist state in the middle of Europe.....the following grainy video from Lviv, West Ukraine features thousands of citizens recently marching through the streets at night holding Swatstika flags at the 30 second mark. This is what the US and EU have brought to Europe. They have empower a regime that is reminiscent of that of Adolf Hitler. I regime that is conducting atrocities and has brought fascism back to Europe.
On a final note I want to show a Tweet that was sent to Pro Novorossiya British journalist Graham Phillips from a Ukrainian twitter account. It is graphic and features a corpse being eaten by dogs. This is what the regime in Kiev has brought to Europe.
https://twitter.com/Ukrainian_State/status/516213204545187840
Who in their right mind would advocate for such barbarity against a reporter? It is madness and sickness that is going on in Ukraine and it is happening because the US sponsored that violent coup that brought these fascist pro Nazi murderers to power. The US should hang it's head in shame for this Frankensteins monster they have created.
World renowned reporter Robert Parry sums up the US's role in the Ukrainian crisis.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/22/high-cost-of-bad-journalism-on-ukraine/
uhnope
(6,419 posts)and just makes you look desperate
uhnope
(6,419 posts)It would be interesting to see a real news article (not RT) about this issue, though
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:14 AM - Edit history (1)
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/voltaire109645.htmlVoltaire
The First Amendment is first among the Amendments for the simple reason that it required the least amount of debate among the Congressional types, and the States.
The First Amendment, if you haven't read it yet, is brilliantly simple.
We fought a war to give people the freedom of speech. We've seen witch hunts searching for "unamerican" types. Those who launched such abuses are vilified by history, for a reason.
If the United States had signed it, I doubt you could have gotten twenty members of the House to vote in favor of it. I doubt sincerely that you could have gotten a third of the Senators to vote in favor. We have plenty of pushes to take away our rights to this particular freedom. The problem with this one, is that it attempts to restrict a very specific type of speech, leaving much up for interpretation in the future.
James May of Top Gear did a three part show on Cars for the People. He began in the beginning, with the first car for the people, the Volkswagen Beetle. Here's the first episode. Because he spoke the truth, which is that the car was simple, well designed, and had a great marketing scheme that was really a front to crank out tanks and all the machines of war, including a small savings box, and Hitler had said the car should be shaped like a Beetle.
Oh my word, he said something nice about Hitler, and said that Hitler was involved in the creation of the 1960's counter culture fad, the Volkswagen Beetle, quick prevent him from speaking.
Was any of it untrue? Was any of it inaccurate? Wasn't the Beetle in fact designed by Porsche for the Fuhrer? Well, we're not going to have anyone saying anything nice about Nazi's, that could be promoting them.
Look at the Submarine pens that were built. They were amazing. Yes, they were built with Forced labor. Yes innocent people died. But the engineering involved is mind boggling.
Like NASA? The core of the Rocket program came from the V-2 ballistic missile program run by Hitler. Hate Doctor Mengele? American Doctors used the results of those unscientific studies to further our knowledge about anatomy. The same with the Japanese who performed surgeries on conscious patients to better understand how the human body worked.
A lot of horrible things came from Nazi Germany. Millions of dead are but the first line in the recitation of horrors. Yet, much of that was turned to good, and even more evil in later generations. By saying the Nazi's did a hell of a job developing the first operational jet fighter does not diminish the fact that the facilities where they were built were staffed with slave labor who were worked to death in some of the most barbaric examples of inhumanity in the century.
Here my post has said some positive things about Nazi's. They had some brilliant engineers, and astonishingly advanced systems.
So I would object to turning entire documentary movies into banned art because they say something postive about the Nazi's. Look at the series Nazi Mega Weapons. Blitzkrieg is still used today, and it was developed by the Nazi's. The Autobahn was the worlds first expressway. Shall I continue? Germans under the Kaiser had some of the first Universal Healthcare.
There is a lot of good things to be said about Germany, and in saying that they accomplished some good things during the most barbaric regime, you aren't endorsing the regime, and I for one don't want to see this become law because I don't want to see the story of the car for the people told without a big chunk of information because it would be considered speaking positively of Nazi's.
Oh and if anyone has ever read my opinions on the Death Penalty, you know I oppose it without any further statement needed. I could not flip the switch and end a life with drugs, electricity, or poison gas. That said, if one of the Nazi's was alive who had done those things, I'm pretty sure I could do him with a couple car batteries and some jumper cables. Some things are horrible enough that even my resistance falters.
I never want to see the Nazi's return. But by banning the speech, you guarantee it is studied, in the dark, hidden from view, and even more people would embrace it. Look at Fahrenheit 451. How many school districts have banned a book about banning books? SO besides being a violation of our First Amendment, it is counterproductive as well.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)1) Liberal democracies don't usually support banning expression of political content, even when it's something as universally noxious as Nazism, because of principles related to Free Speech. Looking at those who abstained, the US, Canada, and Ukraine tend to all be on the same side as much of Europe on this issue.
2) You're only bringing this up because you are really upset that Ukraine is more aligned with the principles of freedom that America stands for instead of with the genocidal dictatorship in Russia. This is further backed up by you posting links to sources expressing that view from the state news agency of the homophobic crypto-Nazi that is currently Russia's dictator.