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Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:25 PM

Texas approves textbooks with Moses as founding father.

Texas approves textbooks with Moses as Founding Father

November 21, 2014Leave a Comment
by: Michael Stone
Christian conservatives win, children lose: Texas textbooks will teach public school students that the Founding Fathers based the Constitution on the Bible, and the American system of democracy was inspired by Moses.
On Friday the Republican-controlled Texas State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 to approve the biased and inaccurate textbooks. The vote signals a victory for Christian conservatives in Texas, and a disappointing defeat for historical accuracy and the education of innocent children.
The textbooks were written to align with instructional standards that the Board of Education approved back in 2010 with the explicit intention of forcing social studies teaching to adhere to a conservative Christian agenda. The standards require teachers to emphasize America’s so called “Christian heritage.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/11/texas-approves-textbooks-with-moses-as-founding-father/


I hope to hell I've been taken in by a hoax, because this is downright scary.



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Reply Texas approves textbooks with Moses as founding father. (Original post)
WillParkinson Nov 2014 OP
JaneyVee Nov 2014 #1
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #13
roguevalley Nov 2014 #35
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #36
roguevalley Nov 2014 #37
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #44
JDPriestly Nov 2014 #23
Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #32
DBoon Nov 2014 #54
Orsino Nov 2014 #64
yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #47
louis-t Nov 2014 #2
Dirty Socialist Nov 2014 #3
lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #4
TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #6
kcr Nov 2014 #41
ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #15
Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #17
on point Nov 2014 #5
kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #7
ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #8
pnwmom Nov 2014 #10
sunnystarr Nov 2014 #20
pnwmom Nov 2014 #28
PCIntern Nov 2014 #74
sunnystarr Nov 2014 #75
ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #59
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #69
Fuddnik Nov 2014 #9
Wella Nov 2014 #11
JDPriestly Nov 2014 #30
JonLP24 Nov 2014 #48
Wella Nov 2014 #51
jtuck004 Nov 2014 #71
Wella Nov 2014 #72
Skittles Nov 2014 #12
IDemo Nov 2014 #31
Skittles Nov 2014 #55
BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #49
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #14
Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #16
BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #50
Kablooie Nov 2014 #18
Enthusiast Nov 2014 #19
BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #52
Enthusiast Nov 2014 #57
packman Nov 2014 #21
jberryhill Nov 2014 #42
JDPriestly Nov 2014 #22
heaven05 Nov 2014 #24
jalan48 Nov 2014 #25
exboyfil Nov 2014 #38
Initech Nov 2014 #26
LiberalElite Nov 2014 #27
longship Nov 2014 #29
ashling Nov 2014 #33
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joeglow3 Nov 2014 #62
ashling Nov 2014 #70
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ashling Nov 2014 #79
Yavin4 Nov 2014 #34
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Orsino Nov 2014 #63
pansypoo53219 Nov 2014 #65
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:26 PM

1. The collapse of western civilization.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:37 PM

13. No, just ours. nt

 

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:48 PM

35. get a court challenge on it. and good luck. I wouldhave to move.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:56 PM

36. Unfortunately, because of Texas' size

 

they set the standard for the rest of the country. Hopefully others states start standing up and demand some sanity, because sanity won't come from here

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:58 PM

37. you have the best and most deep wishes for good from me then, honey. Hugs.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:46 PM

44. I still haven't adjusted to this crazy state

 

and have lived here 22 years. I want to return to my native Ohio one day, but my grandchildren are here. Ohio can be crazy, too, but at least they have autumn

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:23 PM

23. My thought precisely. This is the beginning of the end of the Anglo-American-Australian Empire.

The ignorance and wishful thinking along with military power and the willingness to use military power accompanied by a rejection of learning, science, study, investigation, honesty, realism -- all will result in the deterioration of our society into an opinionated, superstitious and very foolish chaos. That makes a society vulnerable to conquest by others. It's pretty sad.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:35 PM

32. True. It'll mean the end of the world as we know it.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:21 AM

54. What started with Isaac Newton

Ends with Ted Cruz














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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:09 PM

64. Don't suppress with Texas! n/t

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:22 PM

47. The article does not match the title

 

Not a surprise. Very typical actually. It does allow more faulse doom and gloom though.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:29 PM

2. Hmm, I wonder if it has the part about the world being a terrible place

until Ronnie Reagan came along and saved us all. Oh wait, that was Huckabee's children's indoctrination book.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:33 PM

3. They must have run out of libraries to burn

N/t

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:40 PM

4. All I can do is laugh.







It won't be long before the enlightened world sees a diploma
from any Texas school at any level as worthless. Too bad the
children will have to pay for such stupidity.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:49 PM

6. Won't just be Texas, they have tremendous influence on textbooks.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:06 PM

41. No way other states put up with that

Never mind once its implemented it will be successfully legally challenged because no way this passes constitutional muster.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:40 PM

15. Actually my kids here in TX don't use textbooks

as their primary sources very often except for in their math classes. I think maybe in early elementary years they'd use the social studies and science books a little. And one had a Texas history teacher who relied primarily on the textbook but still supplemented quite a bit.

Edited to add: After polling my kids on this, one told me than in an AP history class they use the book more frequently than in past classes, but it's not a Texas book.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:45 PM

17. "I used to be disgusted / but now I'm just amused"

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:46 PM

5. Religious fundies working to destroy civilization in yet another arena

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:49 PM

7. It's all about turning folks against public schools. This will help a lot. nt

 

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:50 PM

8. Here's the actual story...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-oks-new-history-textbooks-despite-complaints/

This blogger appears to have smooshed together comments by board members into his story.

Here is a snippet:

"Others brought conflicting testimony about the role of Christianity in our nation's founding.

"Moses was a lawgiver as well as a religious leader," said Jonathan Saenz of Texas Vales, while quoting past Supreme Court decisions.

"Passages exaggerating the influence of Christianity on this nation's founding still remain in some of the textbooks," countered Zachary Kopplin with Americans United for Separation of Church and State."


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The Republican-controlled State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 Friday, sanctioning most proposed books and electronic lessons. It defeated six books, however, and Houghton Mifflin Harcourt withdrew a high school government textbook.

-snip

For what it's worth, my son is a high school junior here in Texas (Houston). His textbooks (when they used them — the school has moved on to tablets) were not steeped in Christianity.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:25 PM

10. Don't assume that moving on to tablets means no textbooks.

They might have loaded the textbooks onto the tablets.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:03 PM

20. omg ... honestly I thought you were talking about these ...




Like DUH .... lol

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:25 PM

28. LOL. n/t

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:14 PM

74. So did I…and

remember Mel Brooks' "These fifteen Commandments..(drops one tablet)…these ten Commandments….)

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #74)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 06:11 PM

75. omg yessssss lol

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:10 PM

59. If I was a parent who "assumed" things, I wouldn't be much of a parent at all.



Don't assume I'm not paying attention to what my kid is doing in school. No, they are not accessing and downloading textbooks. If you read the entire article, it speaks of what you are talking about. I'd be pretty damned stupid not to realize that.



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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:09 PM

69. "The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity..

 

"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity..and upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twain

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:22 PM

9. The stoopid never stops.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:29 PM

11. The title is a little misleading: the district is teaching that the Constitution was based on

 

Biblical inspiration, not that Moses was a literal "founding father."

I hate when blog writers use these inflammatory and inaccurate headlines. I guess that's how they make their money.

That being said, it is inaccurate to say that Biblical law was the model for the Constitution. The American governmental structure was designed based on the writings of Enlightenment writers, including John Locke and Montesquieu. The founders may have depended on religion to civilize the populace, but they did not take their ideas on government from any particular church or from the Bible. Texas is trying to save Christianity by glomming it on to something that it did not influence very much at all.

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Response to Wella (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:31 PM

30. Thank you. Great post. Simply said and accurate.

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Response to Wella (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:28 PM

48. Headline titles are more of an art

Journalists in general do this. How do you get readers? By the title.

For example I remember a title "Tiger Woods pulls out iPhone on course, causes stir" -- It was really a minor story but with his "racy texts" the article mentions it gives a perception of something far more interesting than it actually is.

"He was helping me with my putting," Mark O'Meara, another former Masters champion, said. "I had a loop in my putting stroke. He wanted to film my putting stroke."

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/tiger-woods-pulls-out-iphone-on-course-causes-stir-1.499387#ixzz3JqoRe6Jg

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:09 PM

51. I get it. Was it Jon Stewart who had something on the creation of blog titles?

 

The writers spent more time on a catchy title than content.

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Response to Wella (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:05 PM

71. " The writers spent more time on a catchy title than content." < Much like this post. n/t

 

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:33 PM

72. I'm not writing a blog or a news story; nor am I writing a title to misrepresent facts

 

Your analogy doesn't work.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:30 PM

12. it's not like you can make people here that much more stupid

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:35 PM

31. Don't misunderestimate them n/t

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Response to IDemo (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:11 AM

55. the progressives, no

everyone else, hoo boy and HOWDY

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:08 PM

49. +1

I've got to go to Europe shortly and deal with the usual "stupid American" bias that the rest of the world has. Well founded in some ways as we are so backward from the rest of the first world. Sigh. When people ask if I'm American, I just say "I'm from California." That helps. Sigh.

And California is going to fix this textbook shit right quick, so I don't really worry about it.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:38 PM

14. Next we are going to hear how Moses...

 

divided the Grand Canyon to escape the Egyptians.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:40 PM

16. Oh, sure, I bet you think George Washington crossed the Delaware all by himself?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:09 PM

50. ...

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:49 PM

18. From the WSJ article:

Students also are required to learn that America's founding documents were influenced by various intellectual traditions, "especially biblical law," and principles laid down by Moses.


So you aren't being taken in but he isn't defined precisely as a Founding Father.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:59 PM

19. Christian conservatives are a load of sick fucks.

They just are.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:12 PM

52. Read "The Authoritarians" if you're interested

Explains how they are made. It perfectly explains how seemingly nice people can have these extremely bizarre beliefs. I think it's important that we all understand that conservatives are in fact being *purposely* manufactured. And then come up with ways to deal with it (I have a theory).

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:34 AM

57. Thanks. I copied the link into my links folder.

I think there are quite enough conservatives as it is without them being purposely manufactured.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:03 PM

21. I knew it was Moses

And here he is holding the first 10 admendments to the Constitution- what further proof do we need?

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Response to packman (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:07 PM

42. Except the First Amendment and the First Commandment say two opposite things

 


I can never figure out this "Biblical Constitution" stuff given the outright contradiction between:

Commandment 1: You will only worship one God.

Amendment 1: You can worship whatever gods you want.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:17 PM

22. Some of our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.

Thomas Jefferson for one.

Wow! How is it that a bunch of historical illiterates get to approve history textbooks?

I would advise them to read the correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson as it pertains to religion.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:23 PM

24. what???!!!!

 

they are crazy. Poor kids....these religious dolts are just as bad as any extremists in any religion. Idiots.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:23 PM

25. Revisionism

Joseph Stalin would be proud.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:59 PM

38. I was thinking George Orwell myself

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:25 PM

26. Fuck it, I give up. If this is true, we'Re seriously in Idiocracy territory now.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:25 PM

27. It's not only the children losing nt

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:27 PM

29. I heard it on great authority that their were fifteen commandments.


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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:38 PM

33. I teach these kids in community college in Texas

way too many of them already think that way.

I had a student a few years back write that she felt that the constitution was divinely inspired in what was supposed to be an essay comparing the constitutional interpretation of Scalia vs. that of a sane person. The paper went on to say that the Hebrews would never have questioned what god meant in the ten commandments -- then she went on to write them all in her paper. They would hve just accepted them like god put them in the bible - King James Version, of course.

I kid you not

she used only two sources: the text book (reluctantly I assume) and some book by a preacher fro Azle, Tx (I don't remember whether or not it was "Dr." and self proclaimed historian David Barton.)

Then there is the paper I assigned on government regulation that was entitled "Government Regulation: a.k.a., socialism"

Don't get me wrong, I have some really great students who are eager to learn. Sometimes they don't know they are eager to learn until somebody tries to facilitate their learning rather than shoving FOX and Founding Father Moses down their throats.

Now it's just going to be tougher,

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Response to ashling (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:10 PM

46. You're misunderstanding this. It's a boon for education.

By intentionally miseducating kids in earlier grades, there are more opportunities for re-educating later. It helps keep you employed!

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Response to ashling (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:47 PM

62. You are a teacher

 

And have an assignment to "compare the writings of Scalia with a sane person"?

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #62)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:45 PM

70. Actually, the assignment was to compare the method's of

constitutional interpretation employed by Justices Scalia and Breyer.

I did not think it was necessary to point out the obvious sarcasm

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Response to ashling (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:49 PM

77. I hate it when teachers interject their personal views into the classroom.

 

Makes me think back to the RW bullshit I had to deal with in two college accounting courses I took.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #77)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 01:31 AM

79. The sarcasm was for this site ONLY

The assignment presented to the class had no sarcasm and no personal opinion directed.

However, it is possible to present opinion if it is done fairly.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:39 PM

34. Moses freed slaves, and if the constitution is based on Moses

then why did slavery persist after the ratification of the constitution. Doesn't the existence of slavery mean that the constitution was not influenced by Moses???

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:06 PM

40. Don't you know only Jewish slaves need to be freed

All the others just take their chances. Here is a humorous animation about the situation:

&list=UULhtZqdkjshgq8TqwIjMdCQ

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:02 PM

39. "Why do we always have to be the stupid country?" -- Bill Maher

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:09 PM

43. The biblitution shrugged

The rightwing fundie loons conflated the bible, constitution and atlas shrugged. Jesus galt preached in his sermon on the mount of money "don't ask me for help"

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:52 PM

45. Wait...Moses didn't help defeat the German horde at Hidden Valley Fort?

 

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:24 PM

53. As liberal elites sit back and laugh, they refuse to understand how dangerous this has become

 

It's Unconstitutional and I hope Americans United for the Separation of Church and State sue. If Texas wants to become a Christian State, than let them secede from the Union.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:20 AM

56. Bunch of sick fucks.

They don't even read their own book yet want to force it on the rest of us.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:57 AM

58. Our textbooks are now being vetted by the people who cried when they heard there is no Santa Claus

They are trying to make sure that our children swallow their adult fairy tale.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:31 PM

60. Maybe an A.C.L.U. or F.F.R. case.

 

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:42 PM

61. Dear God, do they believe Texas is the Promised Land?

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:05 PM

63. I wonder which countries our scientists will flee to? n/t

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:23 PM

65. thank god texass no longer has a strangle hold on all textbooks.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:39 PM

66. Okay, so Moses is the "Founding Father"...

What about Larry and Curly?


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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:03 PM

67. My daughter and I talk

a lot about her going to Europe for college ... trying to get her to learn German! I should buy tapes and do it with her.

I would hate for my kids to be so far away but she's the oldest w/a lot of motivation. Texas is not the place for her and I want her to get out and have a chance.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:05 PM

68. Moses Malone?

 

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:07 PM

73. Question?

Didn't Ronnie write the constitution?? after he came down from the mountain ?

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Response to bleedinglib (Reply #73)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:05 PM

78. The appropriate term is he "trickled" down from the mountain.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 06:23 PM

76. Moses....

was he here in 1776?

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:29 AM

80. It's worrying that they mention a mythical figure as having any influence at all

and a travesty of history to give more ancient influence on the Enlightenment ideas that did produce the USA to Israelites rather than the Roman Republic. But that all comes from the influence of religion - they think their religion must be what produced their country, despite the long association, both in the Old Testament and in European 'Christendom', of kings with the biblical religions.

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