THE NOTHING CANDIDATE: Same Mistakes As '08

[Segami]

~snip~

The discussion panels were closed to the press, but reporters assembled in a room down the hall and a steady stream of Clintonites visited to take questions. Most everyone dutifully noted that the Clinton candidacy was still just a hypothetical, but occasionally some activists slipped. Buffy Wicks, the executive director of the super PAC Priorities USA Action, started one sentence with “When Hillary Clinton decides to run…,” dispensing with the façade.* It was an odd event: reporters asked questions about Hillary Clinton’s plans and policy agenda to a group of people who knew as little as anyone about her presumptive campaign and its messaging. In that sense, the Ready for Hillary meeting was the perfect embodiment of the Democrats’ current Hillary problem: everyone in the party seems to be supporting her, and yet nobody can articulate exactly why. (I wrote for the magazine recently about Clinton’s seeming inevitability as a Presidential candidate.) The meeting came at the end of an eventful week—one that only underscored Clinton’s continued reluctance to explain what she might want to do as President. In Congress, the Senate debated two major issues: the Keystone XL pipeline and reform of the National Security Agency. Clinton remained silent about both.



As Secretary of State, Clinton was in charge of the process that will eventually lead to a decision about whether the Administration allows TransCanada to build its pipeline, which would transport crude oil from northern Alberta down to American refineries in the Gulf of Mexico. It has become a defining issue for U.S. environmentalists, and was one of the most politically charged and significant issues that Clinton faced during her time at State—and yet her memoir, “Hard Choices,” contains not a single mention of Keystone. When the Senate this week debated a bill to force Obama to build the pipeline—rallied by Mary Landrieu, the Democratic senator from Louisiana, who faces a runoff election in December—Clinton still had nothing to say. To be sure, the sensitive review process for Keystone is ongoing, and Clinton might feel that, by discussing her personal views, she would be prejudicing the outcome. Then again, if she has strong feelings one way or the other, shouldn’t she use her influence to affect the final decision?



~snip~

What does Clinton think of those reforms? She doesn’t say. She offers the usual platitudes about balancing security and liberty but gives no indication of whether she believes that the program under which the N.S.A. collects Americans’ phone records should be continued as is, modified, or scrapped. When the Senate killed the main N.S.A.-reform bill this week, Clinton remained silent. For months, she also maintained silence on immigration, but on Thursday, after the President announced that he would use his authority to prevent as many as five million undocumented immigrants from being subject to deportation, Clinton released a rare statement endorsing the proposal. She did something similar in August, when, after being pressured from the left, she spoke about the events in Ferguson, Missouri.



But, despite the clear remarks about Ferguson and immigration, Clinton’s views on many crucial issues remain opaque. She seems to be repeating the same mistake that she made in 2008, when the inevitability of her candidacy overwhelmed its justification. At the Ready for Hillary festival, Mitch Stewart, one of Obama’s top organizers in the 2008 contest, suggested that Clinton needed to be careful to develop a message and stick to it. He noted that she had failed to do that in the 2008 primaries. “Every six weeks, there seemed to be a new slogan, and there was nothing people could wrap their arms around,” Stewart said. But when he and others at the event were asked what that message should be, nobody really had any idea.







cont'

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/keystone-nsa-hillary-clinton-remains-quiet

[FSogol]

1. Unrec. One day soon, HRC will announce she is running for President*. At

that point it will become appropriate to badger her for her position on everything. At this time, she is a private citizen and should not be expected to speak up on every issue.

As for the 08 campaign she barely lost to Obama in the primaries. While she could have run a better campaign, it probably wouldn't have mattered. Obama captured a lot of people's imaginations and pushed his way to the finish line by bringing in new voters.

If she tries to run a "no comment" campaign, she'll only help O'Malley, Webb, or some other Democrat.


* unless she doesn't run.

[joshcryer]

17. She got more votes than Obama in the primary.

The caucuses are where she fell short, because she (her campaign) didn't expect it to last that long.

[Raul Hernandez]

51. Re-rec.

Clinton is not the only person in the primaries and SHE will get defeated again.

It'll be coming in from the left, not on the right. She is already the rightist person that may be announcing for President. She does not qualify to be President under the platforms set forth by the Democratic Party. She opposes about half of the platforms.

And for fuck sakes, NO DYNASTIES

[OLDMADAM]

62. I'm sorry, but I'm developing Clinton fatique..

I love these folks for all that they have done for America, throughout their lives, but it's time to take a bow, and leave the stage to a new set of stars.. That is my 2 cents..

[Thinkingabout]

2. I have shared the folowing link several times but will gladly share again.

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

This contains a listing of where she has issued her stand on issues. I doubt there will be a candidate who has made a statement on every issue especially before declaring candidacy. I don't recall whether other potential candidates have given their position on every issue possible.

[snot]

6. ok, thx . . . I see she's expressed no position,

apparently ever, re-the NSA?

And despite the fact that it might be the most impt. issue since the invasion of Iraq, she's said nothing since 2007 re- net neutrality?

So anyway, here are MY priorities (if we don't do these, we've got sh*t on everything else):

Election integrity (no electronic voting, tabulation, etc. The other great democracies in the world manage auditable elections; why can't we???)
Campaign finance reform
Net neutrality
Media reform (restore restrictions on the consolidation of media ownership/control, + the Fairness Doctrine)
Education (restore PUBLIC edu., w/ languages, reading writing arithmatic and critical thinking)
Economic reform (break up the too-big-too-fails; prosecute the individual bankers who looted us in 2008; restore Glass-Steagall, etc.)

And in 2007, she'd have ACCEPTED a minimum wage increase (if, I take it, Congress had acted on its own to pass it???)

[woo me with science]

13. Excellent post.

Compare her public silence on the NSA and net neutrality (and even her own predatory TPP) to all the times she willingly engages on Benghazi.

[joshcryer]

14. She voted against telecom immunity.

[randome]

29. The NSA "...might be the most impt. issue..."

You have got to be kidding.
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[Thinkingabout]

36. Did you go to the link? Information on FISA was there.

Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act.
This vote reauthorizes the PATRIOT Act with some modifications (amendments). Voting YEA extends the PATRIOT Act, and voting NAY would phase it out. The official summary of the bill is:
A bill to clarify that individuals who receive FISA orders can challenge nondisclosure requirements, that individuals who receive national security letters are not required to disclose the name of their attorney, that libraries are not wire or electronic communication service providers unless they provide specific services, and for other purposes.
Opponents of the bill say to vote NAY because: •Some may see the vote we are about to have as relatively trivial. They are mistaken. While the bill we are voting on makes only minor cosmetic changes to the PATRIOT Act, it will allow supporting the PATRIOT Act conference report that was blocked in December. Cosmetic changes simply don't cut it when we are talking about protecting the rights and freedoms of Americans from unnecessarily intrusive Government powers.
•The White House has tried to make life uncomfortable for Senators. It has suggested they are soft on terrorism, that they don't understand the pressing threat facing this country, that they are stuck in a pre-9/11 mindset. Those attacks should be rejected.
•We can fight terrorism aggressively without compromising our most fundamental freedoms against Government intrusion. The Government grabbed powers it should not have when it passed the original PATRIOT Act and we should not be ratifying that power grab today. The PATRIOT Act reauthorization conference report is flawed. S. 2271 pretends to fix it but I don't think anyone is fooled, least of all our constituents.
•Because the Republican leadership obstructed efforts to improve the bill, the "police state" provisions regarding gag orders remain uncorrected. The Senate should get down to the serious business of legislating real fixes to the PATRIOT Act.
Reference: USA PATRIOT Act Additional Reauthorizing Amendments; Bill S. 2271 ; vote number 2006-025 on Mar 1, 2006




Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision.
Vote to invoke cloture on a conference report that extends the authority of the FBI to conduct "roving wiretaps" and access business records. Voting YES would recommend, in effect, that the PATRIOT Act be extended through December 31, 2009, and would makes the provisions of the PATRIOT Act permanent. Voting NO would extend debate further, which would have the effect of NOT extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision.
Reference: Motion for Cloture of PATRIOT Act; Bill HR 3199 ; vote number 2005-358 on Dec 16, 2005

[msongs]

3. gee maybe she is just minding her own biz and letting people actually in charge do their jobs? nt

[Segami]

4. Hmm,..

So why did she, while immersed in her Zen state of minding-her-own-biz, decide to cherry-pick her way into issuing a statement on immigration after Obama announced his executive orders intent?

"I think the president took an historic step and I support it,"

[NancyDL]

5. Unfortunaty, Hillary Clinton is NOT a "nothing candidate".

She's a Third Waver - a Democrat In Name only. She's better than the other side, and I do believe she wants to make things better, but believes that Americans would not buy an open, outspoken Progressive. I wouldn't criticize her. She has been through the wars and is still alive, but if we could read her mind, I'll bet she's sick of the whole thing.

AND, I disagree with her. I think Americans ARE ready for a progressive. After all, Obama ran as a Progressive and won.

[RBInMaine]

20. Bullshit.

[RiverLover]

30. So agree. We need a TRUE progressive. No more Third Way fake dems!!! ~nt

[woo me with science]

34. She's much worse than a "nothing" candidate. She stands for the Third Way corporate agenda

that is dismantling democracy itself and subverting our representative government for the interests of corporations.

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9

[Thinkingabout]

38. Thanks for the references, proof positive of why I support Hillary Clinton.

Third Way, not for the far right or the far left.

[woo me with science]

40. War is Peace!

The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262111

The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

The government figured out sockpuppet management but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454

Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351

Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023512796

Salon: Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

[Thinkingabout]

45. I have heard this propaganda before, it has not changed my mind in the past and don't think

this will change my mind.

[Raul Hernandez]

52. it's not even propaganda

it's all facts.

Because you love Hillary so much, you refuse to believe the facts, turning it away as "propaganda".

Well, sorry to inform you, but the links are actual facts.

[Thinkingabout]

57. Here is a clue

THE NOTHING CANDIDATE

[truebluegreen]

42. Well, bless your heart. nt

[Thinkingabout]

44. Thank you.

[monmouth4]

7. I become more unimpressed with her daily...n/t

[woo me with science]

8. +1000000 TO THE GREATEST PAGE. Note that our resident Third Way message control crew

has already tagged this thread "doubleplusungood" because it is so on the mark.

The corporate vipers who have subverted our democratic government have spent tremendous time and money working to divide us into rabidly loyal Red and Blue teams and to detach our loyalty to those teams from the actual policies they represent.

The policies matter, and Hillary Clinton Goldman-Sachs represents the very worst of that cynical, contemptuous approach to voters, in which we are lectured and bullied that we owe votes to those who refuse to say clearly how or even that they will represent us on specific issues.

We have come to a point where ONLY the policies matter. Not team, not pom pom color. The Princeton study showed that we are an oligarchy now, not a gridlocked democracy. Citizens now have so little impact on policy that our politicians don't even deign to pretend that they need to represent us anymore.

They function like corporations, not representatives. They spend much more money and time advertising and hiring paid shills to bully potential voters into doing what they say, than they do trying to LISTEN to or represent voters.

Reject the propaganda. Don't even engage it. Politicians who refuse to be specific about what they represent deserve nothing but contempt, because they are showing the worst kind of contempt to voters. They don't seek to be representatives. They seek to be well-compensated corporate managers of serfs.

Show them this garbage doesn't work anymore. Reject the propaganda.

We need to rally around POLICIES. No more Third Way garbage. No more corporatism wrapped in platitudes. And no more engaging the absurd propaganda and message control machine of these fake Democrats.

[aspirant]

28. Can I go around in circles.

I stand with you, but I have trouble with one point. "No more engaging the absurd propaganda and message control machine". We must stand up to this CULT of right-wing dems or they will keep repeating this same nonsense we are hearing now. Presenting them with progressive issues is futile, there brainwashing is just to deep By not engaging are you suggesting totally ignoring the THIRD WAYERS and spend all our energy on registering more progressives, uniting left-wing frustrated independents, attracting Millennials, waving a welcome to Latinos and finding true progressive candidates to run on our issues? Maybe I'm talking myself into your position. Do we push the ignore button on all the trolls? As a newcomer, is there a progressive organizing forum here? Wow, I'm energized all ready!

[cali]

9. excellent article. thanks for posting it.

[woo me with science]

10. This is a very important thread. This is the mockery that has been made of our democratic process

by the corporatists who have infiltrated our government and our elections.

In a nation that pretends to have a government Of, By, and For the People, we have been trained to accept vapid patriotic drivel and contempt from politicians rather than sincere engagement on the SPECIFIC issues that matter to our lives.

How telling, and how sick is it, that the *Official 2014 Democratic Party Survey* of voters lacked questions about the MOST important issues we face:

Post by rhett o rick, June 2014

The Official 2014 Democratic Party Survey
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025083415

I just received mine in the mail. What really stood out was the lack of questions related to the following:

Wall Street corruption

Fast Tracking of the Trans Pacific Partnership.

The XL Pipeline.

The environmental damage of wide spread fracking.

Investigations of the overreaches of the NSA/CIA organization.

Repealing the Patriot Act.

Investing in infrastructure and not military buildups.

Gun violence

Nothing matters now but the policies and the representation. Not party, not team color. Nothing matters but wresting our government back from corporations and propagandists and putting it in the hands of sincere representatives of the people again.

Any candidate who plays this vapid corporate advertising game deserves to be vehemently rejected and shunned, along with his or her cynical advertising brigade. We need representatives, not corporate pitchmen.

[RiverLover]

19. Nothing matters but wresting our government back from corporations - Excellent post ~nt

[BreakfastClub]

11. I hope Hillary Clinton will be the president in two years,

but I know that there's very little likelihood of that happening. There are too many progressives who demonize her and pretend she is some sort of right-winger, which is just ridiculous. I have no doubt she would have governed to the LEFT of Obama. She was the better choice in '08 and she would be the best choice in '16. She would have never let republicans get away with weakening health care reform and she warned that they would try. Obama insisted he could work with them. What a joke.

[cali]

12. Although Hillary is largely liberal on social issues (though usually not ahead of the curve)

on economic issues, she's almost wholly corporate. She's beginning to give lip service to economic justice, but it's weak sauce indeed. It's utterly absurd to claim, without any evidence, that she'd be more liberal than Obama. Her rhetoric on many issues, such as military incursions and national "defense", are decidedly to the right of Obama. And it's also ridiculous to make claims that she would never let republicans get away with weakening health care reform. There is NO WAY ON EARTH to know that.

She's a terrible choice. She's cowardly and a shit candidate. I think she'll almost certainly win the nomination. Whether she can win the Presidency is another matter and it depends on many things.

[joshcryer]

16. Yeah, no. Social issues are economic issues.

By their very nature.

[woo me with science]

23. Actually, economic issues are social issues.

The effects of continued corporate warfare on this nation will be a disaster for all Americans, but *especially* women and minorities.

What a vicious, cynical joke, to pretend that Third Way politicians will protect values of racial and gender equality, when their own policies aggressively dismantle the very economic and democratic systems that make it possible for women and minorities to be empowered.

I just can't wait to see the status of women and minorities in this country when we are all working for Third World wages, Hillary's "free trade" agreements have ramped up corporate power and the ability of corporations to override our laws and protections, and dissent in the new corporate America has been crushed.

Obama and Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

The verdict is in: most U.S. workers would see wage losses as a result of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a sweeping U.S. "free trade" deal under negotiation with 11 Pacific Rim countries. That's the conclusion of a report just released by the non-partisan Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR).

Poor minorities are worthless to corporations on the street. In prison they can bring in $40,000/yr
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969[/font size]


The exploitation of Ferguson I: In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667

The exploitation of Ferguson II: The Seamy Underbelly Of Ferguson Starts To Appear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747

The exploitation of Ferguson III: Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157

One cannot simultaneously want the TPP and economic justice for the 99%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4318351

One cannot simultaneously want the TPP and economic justice for the 99% [View all]

They are violently mutually exclusive.

They absolutely know it's awful for the already-eviscerated 99%, otherwise they wouldn't hide behind an unprecedented veil of secrecy. They are sociopaths.

Wake up! We are being disembowled by sick, sick people. If we don't fight back, and quick, we will be dinner.

[joshcryer]

26. Wrong, economic populists historically shove social issues under the bus.

[cali]

25. to a degree. and the reverse is also true.

there is no social justice without economic justice. and hillary is a stunning example of a corporate you-know-what.

[joshcryer]

27. Yeah? Name one vote.

Good luck.

[RBInMaine]

21. Don't allow the TeaLeft fringe to discourage you. Read on:

The crowd bashing Hillary are those who were for Nader and Kucinich and actually thought they could win. Totally out of reality.

Now they are for Warren, who is not running, or Sanders who can not win. They are the fringe WAY out of reality. Don't worry.

[RiverLover]

32. You seem worried. Just sayin~ nt

[cali]

33. wrong. I have long been opposed to Hillary for President. I certainly didn't support Nader

or Kucinich. I even more certainly never thought they could win, anymore than I think Bernie can win- though I hope he runs as a dem.

Hillary is contemptible, cowardly and corporate to the nth degree. If she is the nominee, I don't think she can beat Jeb Bush if he runs and I think some of the other repubs could beat her as well. I don't see her as the only hope for dems in 2016. Add to that that she sucks as a candidate. She isn't likeable enough. Yeah, she commands the polls in the dem primary. Her margin is a lot less impressive against Bush and Christie.

Yep, she'll likely be our corpora-candidate. What a shame.

[Kermitt Gribble]

60. The DLC/Third Way

has marginalized traditional Democrats by moving the Party far to the right over the last 20 years. You push their meme that traditional Democrats are now "fringe left" - you are part of the problem.

[joshcryer]

15. She hasn't declared.

You will see her positions once she declares and they will be the most liberal since Carter, arguably more so, since Carter is still anti-choice and still anti-marijuana legalization. Wait and see, friends, wait and see. You will call her a liar, you will call her a corporate sellout, you will try to make her out to be this evil shrill wall street 1%er, but in reality, she'll be the most liberal President since FDR.

[RiverLover]

18. OP-"everyone in the party seems to be supporting her, & yet nobody can articulate exactly why."

Sounds like DU. Just liking the Clinton years is my take away. And ignoring that his parting gifts to us were NAFTA & repealing Glass-Steagall.

Do they like fracking? She does, she was pushing it around the world.

Do they like off-shoring American jobs? She does, she was trying to sell Trans-Pacific Partnership to China & Japan.

Do they like Wall Street risking our economy with shady business practices? She does, no word about Bill's mistake in repealing Glass-Steagall when even Greenspan admits it was a colossal mistake. She goes to their parties, & gets paid $200K for giving speeches at their meetings.

[RBInMaine]

22. & TWO victories, and 22,000,000 new jobs, Clinton would have been elected to a 3rd term.

Wilson would not support Women's suffrage.

FDR interned the Japanese and allied with Stalin.

Truman dropped the bomb and left office WAY down in the polls.

Kennedy did the Bay of Pigs, wanted Castro dead, cut taxes for the rich, and increased the military.

Johnson gave us the Vietnam war.

Carter gave sanctuary to the ultra corrupt Shah of Iran.

Were any perfect?

[joshcryer]

31. 3rd term? Clinton would still be President.

9/11 wouldn't have happened, the Iraq invasion wouldn't have happened, it would've been crazy. Dude might've been President well until the 2020s.

[LawDeeDah]

53. Clinton had a lot to do with the suffering of the Iraqi people. Why is this ignored?

[GeorgeGist]

35. No. But Clinton was the worst.

[woo me with science]

24. Excellent post.

What a bunch of lying, vacuous corporate PR we are fed, while the policies relentlessly advance corporate power and profit. Just like boxes in the supermarket with pretty pictures on the label, but a soup of Monsanto chemicals inside.

Third Way politicians are corporate hucksters, not representatives.

[99Forever]

37. Nothing would be an improvement.

She represents all of the worst things about the current Democratic Party power brokers. If she is nominated, whatever slug put up by the Rethuglicans will win.

[Thinkingabout]

39. Wanna bet?

[RiverLover]

41. I'll bet you. Hillary could never win a general election for president.

I'd bet everything I own.

[Thinkingabout]

46. Yep, gotta work to own everything, very hard.

[woo me with science]

43. [phone]

She represents those who dismantle democracy, engage in endless chosen wars for profit, and impoverish millions for the profit of a corrupt elite.

America cannot afford another Third Way corporatist in a Democrat suit.

Nothing is more important now than stopping corporatists from shoving her down our throats as the Democratic nominee. The Republican candidate will already be offering the predatory corporate agenda she stands for. She is how the corporate vultures can render the 2016 election meaningless in terms of direction of policy.

[Thinkingabout]

47. What we do not need from either the left or right is going too far in either direction.

[LWolf]

48. But...But...

any candidate who actually stands for something, who actually stands a line and fights to move it for us, who actually represents us...that candidate can't WIN!!!!

We can't WIN unless we support someone who doesn't represent us! We MUST get behind the nothing-candidate, or we'll LOSE. Don't you get it?

WE CAN ONLY WIN IF WE LOSE.

[RiverLover]

49. LOL +1!!!!!!!!! ~nt

[woo me with science]

67. ...

[JEB]

50. If you like platitudes with your status quo,

the Hillary is your candidate.

[LawDeeDah]

54. If you like the Fill in the Blank candidate, Hillary is it.

There few things she takes a firm stand on and war and hugging warmongers (Kissinger) is a consistently solid one.

On other things it goes pretty much like this:

(for the rabble)Mrs. Clinton, what are your comments on income inequality:
I think it is terrible and we have to do something about it. Why, when Bill was President everything was peachy. Let me make it peaches again.

(for Goldman Sachs, etc., speeches) Mrs. Clinton, what are your comments on income inequality:
It's not fair you get picked on! You are only being good capitalists!

[kentuck]

55. Sometimes I think she likes the "inevitable" talk.

Most of the calls on C-SPAN this morning on this question did not want her to run.

[elehhhhna]

59. her rousing tag line: MY TURN MINE MINE MINE

[LittleBlue]

56. She's a something candidate alright. And those somethings all have names

that all end in Inc.

[LawDeeDah]

58. 'The Ready for Hillary event was like a “Star Trek” convention where Captain Kirk never shows up.'

I'd vote for Kirk any day over Hillary!

[woo me with science]

61. kick for corruption

[hrmjustin]

63. I love your posts but unrec on calling her a nothing candidate.

I can accept that you think she is to the right of us or that you want something new and purely progressive but calling her nothing is not right.

You can make your case and I know you can because you are a great posterand can make a case as you have stated in the body of your post but she is not nothing.

[woo me with science]

65. No, she's absolutely not nothing.

She is much, much worse. Her policies are a menace not only to the well-being of millions, but to democracy itself. She represents the continuation and expansion of the very worst of Bush's antidemocratic, even fascistic policies of financial exploitation, warmongering, mass surveillance, and suppression of dissent, as well as entire new horizons of malignant and predatory corporate power under the TPP and the TISA.

The first priority of all Democrats should be to make sure that the Third Way does not shove another corporatist and warmonger down our throat as the Democratic nominee for 2016...

...because if they can do that, they will have ensured that the corporate agenda continues no matter who wins.

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9

Let's not forget what we are *really* dealing with here. The Third Way was *never* a grass roots movement. The rise of corporate politicians in our party and the relentless propaganda machine defending them are the result of a deliberate, corporate-bankrolled infiltration of the party.

When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Way’s Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121

[davidpdx]

64. I'd be she'll try to remain completely quite on the Keystone deal

As long as her part in it stays secret, it's going to fall on Obama. Either the environmentalist are going to be pissed or the oil lobby. My guess is she wouldn't want to piss either of them off.

[woo me with science]

66. Her silence on Keystone just exposes her

as the politically calculating, craven politician she is.

The corporate MO is manipulation, not representation. Corporatists don't represent human beings or stand for values and principles.

They advertise, lie, spin, dissemble, and hire PR firms to figure out how best to manipulate human beings to maximize their profit.

It's a stark contrast:

Bernie Sanders DROPS A TRUTH BOMB Re: Keystone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025835789

versus

Hillary Clinton refuses to say now where she stands on Keystone pipeline
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025834984

[woo me with science]

68. kick