It is time for Eric Holder to do his job.

[MannyGoldstein]

I am told that while Eric Holder may have not been interested in prosecuting bankers, his legacy will be in his fierce fight for civil rights.

Ok.

A young black man in Ferguson was deprived of his civil rights by the taking of his life, if not directly because he was black, then pretty clearly stemming from his being black. Americans need to know that this is not tolerated in America, that we are a nation of laws.

We need to know that injustice brings justice.

Do your job, Mr. Holder. The world is watching.

[Historic NY]

1. Ah, he was let go...

waiting for the nickie new guy.

[SoCalMusicLover]

2. He's Long Gone

His resignation is in, his days are numbered. Won't be his problem.

[kelliekat44]

3. How soon can a suit be filed? Wilson should find no peace anywhere. Two letters come to mind. OJ

[BeyondGeography]

4. Eric Holder has been doing his job for about six years

You're already on the record as not having noticed.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. What were his greatest triumphs, in your opinion?

Just the top 3 or 4 should do.

[Scuba]

9. He proclaimed a bunch of rich guys "too big to jail".

Well, that's one at least.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Here

http://www.justice.gov/accomplishments

Happy reading.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. Tons of typical stuff.

Hackers put in jail and what not. But anything really big?

I suppose that fining the banks might be big, but we don't know because DOJ refuses to make the details public - hopefully Elizabeth Warren's bill to force DOJ to disclose true settlement amounts will become law, and will show that these fines have been substantial.

[BeyondGeography]

19. His voting rights record is not typical

http://m.thenation.com/blog/181761-eric-holders-voting-rights-legacy

We've had this conversation before. You think he's even more useless than the President. Tiresome.

[sheshe2]

30. Yup, it's trash the black man day~

they will never be good enough, BG. Never!

[BeyondGeography]

33. Voting rights...I think that's how his savior Liz would get elected if she ever ran

Or any other Democrat. Thanks, Mr. Holder.

[sheshe2]

36. She is my Senator...

and he only uses her to bash the President. He will drop her in a NY minute soon, very soon.

[JI7]

53. yup, i said this before

none of it is about actually supporting Warren . just using her to attack others.

just as this thread isn't about supporting or giving any shit about michael brown but using him to attack a black man .

[sheshe2]

54. Yes it is JI7.

He never even mentions Michaels name, only Holders. Damn I am crying for Michael and the lack of respect that the OP has shown for his death. Tears for America, some of us have lost our souls forever.

[madville]

22. He has been quite successful at

Keeping Don Siegelman in federal prison the last 5 or 6 years.

[sheshe2]

43. I thought this Op was about Michael.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Actually the OP is on record wanting the election of Obama overturned in favor of McCain

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3995915

And when this grand jury decision was announced, he immediately used the opportunity to attack holder.

Obvious.

[BeyondGeography]

12. He was quiet for a whole day after the EO on immigration

I felt for him.

[SidDithers]

48. Yup. He and his cohort were kinda quiet after that, eh?...nt

Sid

[msanthrope]

15. You Better Believe It! nt

[treestar]

73. +1

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Here's one huge difference between you and me, Cali_Democrat,

intellectual honesty.

Every few thousand posts, I write something that I believe at the moment but don't usually believe. When I do, unless I think better of it within a few minutes, I leave it up rather than self-deleting, because it is what it is. In the case of the one post - out of tens of thousands of mine - that you reference repeatedly, it's pretty clear what's going on in my head.

You, by contrast, when found to be posting things that were utterly contradictory, ran way back in time and self-deleted inconvenient posts en masse - until it turned out that while your posts were deleted on DU, they lived forever in the Internet Archive:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5293474
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023688801

And, indeed, it's pretty clear that you make stuff up out of whole cloth just to be belligerent:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4624205

[Cali_Democrat]

24. HAHAHA...So a deleted post is the same as wanting the election of a Democratic President overturned?

In favor of a Republican?

BTW, didn't you just copy and paste from this post?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5840967

LOL....

I don't think you could be any more obvious....

[MannyGoldstein]

26. We don't know. Because you've deleted huge numbers of posts

once you realized that they served to illuminate your true nature.

[Cali_Democrat]

29. Your true nature was illuminated when you said you wanted Obama's election overturned

in favor of McCain.

[MannyGoldstein]

34. And what reason did I give for that?

You can find it because, you know, unlike you I don't go back and delete my posts wholesale whenever I change position simply to attack people. In part, because unlike you, as demonstrated by clear evidence, I don't change position just to attack people.

[Cali_Democrat]

35. Out of all the elections to overturn, you wanted Obama's election overturned

in favor of McCain.

I don't think anybody even needs to read your reasoning. It's a joke and it illuminated your true nature.

BTW, didn't you vote for Reagan?

[MannyGoldstein]

37. It's interesting that you refuse to give the context.

Good thing that you can only delete your posts, and not the parts of other people's that are inconvenient to your narrative du jour.

[Cali_Democrat]

38. You wanted the election of Obama overturned in favor of a Republican.

If we had your way, President McCain would be in charge.

Your post speaks for itself. Just like this post where you tried to use a right wing author/website to attack Hillary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025333469

You got it from Murdoch's right wing New York Post of all places.

Obvious.

[MannyGoldstein]

39. That post speaks for itself.

As do yours.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. Hmmm....wanting to overturn the election of a Democratic President?

Linking to right wing authors/websites in an attempt to smear prominent Democratic politicians?

Could you be any more obvious?

[MannyGoldstein]

47. Yes, I could.

I could talk out of both sides of my mouth, delete the evidence when caught, and take othe poster's posts out of context.

Like you.

Have a good night!

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Again....you think a deleted post is the same as wanting the election of a Dem president overturned

in favor of a Republican.

Also, not only did you vote for Reagan, but you link to right wing authors/websites and try to attack prominent Dem politicians.

Obvious.

Nighty night...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

72. Did you do what Manny says you did? If so, why?

Understand that I'm not inferring any judgement on you. I am simply curious as to whether or not you did do what Manny says you did because, so far, you seem to be attempting to deflect his accusation.

[marble falls]

82. I agree. Manny made a direct response to Cali, I want to hear a direct response to Manny's .....

fair question.

[sheshe2]

27. And so sadly his Op

Has nothing to do with Michael Brown, he just wants to bash Eric Holder, another black man.

I am so tired of the hate, I weep for this country.

[Bobbie Jo]

49. Obviously.

Totally opportunistic and phony beyond belief.

So tired of the disingenuous theatrics, especially with the timing of this "effort."

Unbelievable.

[bettyellen]

69. Nailed it.

[Andy823]

70. Exactly

Well said she.

[treestar]

74. Exactly, no one in this administration can do anything right

No Democrat other than Elizabeth Warren can do right, and that's only because she hasn't had to be tested.

[SidDithers]

40. Yup. Completely obvious...nt

Sid

[villager]

5. why would he suddenly start doing it now?

He's secured his corporate sinecure.

[JI7]

7. yeah, the black guy needs to fix the race problem in this country

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. To the extent he can, he sure as fuck does need to

I'm just dying to hear why you think Holder shouldn't be all over this corrupt prosecutor. I get that you're trying to say that racism is not the fault of black people. And while that's true, it's a ridiculous line to pull out in this context. Eric Holder needs to do what he can to stop this sort of shit from ever happening again. He's not out the door yet, and something needs to be done.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Yeah. Like THAT would ever happen.

In many ways this administration has been very interested in NOT engaging in civil rights justice. Why change now?

[JohLast]

16. The fbi was involved in the investgation. Don't expect a different outcome.

[JohLast]

20. Yes they were.

[Marrah_G]

14. feds will do nothing

[sheshe2]

23. Good job Manny...

trash the black man while claiming justice for a young black man that was murdered. True colors Manny, true colors indeed, you are only blaming the black man. Let's try putting the blame on the racist white men that condone this. We can start with the racist PD in Ferguson that use "crimes" against the blacks in Ferguson as a money machine. You have read about that correct?

Let's put blame where it is due, with white racists and not putting your faux anger in Ferguson. All this and your only thought is about Holder and Wall street. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[MannyGoldstein]

28. I don't care if Holder is black, white, green, or Vulcan

I want him to do his damned job -- and so should you.

I will not be ashamed for wanting justice.

[sheshe2]

31. Bull!

You posted this for Michael? You fell short.

[Spazito]

32. I knew two things would happen tonight...

the verdict being returned would contain no charges and the OP poster would promptly use the verdict to make an OP such as this.

He should be ashamed but won't be.

[sheshe2]

42. Yes Spazito...

I knew that as well, a little surprised they didn't wait a little longer, yet it was expected. I am having a hard time dealing with more bad news in my life, so much happening. Yet when Michaels murder becomes a tool to bash that black man AG Holder, yes I weep for this country. Shame on him.

[Spazito]

45. There are those who act with dignity and honor...

the Brown family and then there are those who make OPs like this. Take heart, the Brown family are the ones who are respected.

[Number23]

55. We are once again on the same wavelength, Spaz because I knew the same thing

the verdict being returned would contain no charges and the OP poster would promptly use the verdict to make an OP such as this.

There are two posters that I knew would be tearing up GD after this verdict -- one trying to minimize and flat out ignore the racism that this country is literally steeped in and another that would use this verdict as some way to slam the president and/or Eric Holder.

LO AND BEHOLD both are doing exactly what I already knew they'd do. And I'm so goddamned sick of both of them I could scream.

[sheshe2]

56. Makes you want to cry does it not, Number23?

I have not been far away from tears lately. This Op makes me so ashamed of America and the ugliness of racism.

The Op was for Michael? Sadly no. It was to bash Holder and Obama and take away any respect for the child that died. The one that was left in the street for four hours in the hot sun. Michael was left there as a show of power by the white man, just like the lynching's of the past, you are nothing, so don't fuck with us. They are all black and so sadly they mean nothing for some.

I doubt that he even knew Michaels name, he was black after all.

I am sorry, Number23. I am so sorry.

[Spazito]

58. Yes, it is truly sickening...

it takes a small person to take such delight in posting the OPs they have posted tonight.

for the pain you are feeling tonight.

[madville]

25. I expect the DOJ to evaluate the evidence and testimony

And make an informed and unbiased decision, that's the most important thing in our system. They can't factor in the emotion of the aftermath or the public outcry, it all has to come from the evidence and testimony.

[Township75]

46. You need to find someone else. He is too busy with he civil rights charges against Zimmerman.

Gonna nail him to the wall.

[GGJohn]

62. I hope this is a tongue in cheek comment,

because, so far, haven't seen anything on the Zman yet, and I don't expect to either.

[Township75]

66. It is

The admin will give a nice speech about the need to attack racial profiling and discrimination and will launch some garbage investigation to appease the masses until the is a new issue for them to focus on....which might be the Super Bowl

[GGJohn]

67. I thought it was.

Thanks for the clarification.

[badtoworse]

51. I think it is unlikely that Holder will pursue Civil Rights charges.

There is no question that Brown had robbed the convenience store and Wilson had an accurate description of Brown before he confronted him which gave him probable cause. Unless the feds reach a different conclusion as to whether the use of deadly force was justified, I believe that a lack of probable cause is the only basis for a civil rights charge.

[U4ikLefty]

57. lies

[KingCharlemagne]

64. Do you put those liars on 'Ignore' or do you leave them up, so you can

see their lies and call them out?

[U4ikLefty]

78. I have nobody on Ignore.

I want them to keep digging so I (or others) can refute their ignorance/deception.

[sheshe2]

52. Yes!

You went boldly where no one else has gone.

His name was Michael. Michael Brown. You probably don't know or care about that.

You take the death of a young black man, oh wait let's make that murder, because it was, then you proceed to blame the black AG Holder for not doing his job with prosecuting the banks? So cold and crass Manny, you show your true colors once again. Seems everytime I or others point that out we get hides from you.

Yes indeed, the world is watching how the white privileged will be reacting in Ferguson.

[SidDithers]

59. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

76. I hid your posts?

Interesting.

[bahrbearian]

60. K&R for Sid and sheshe2, kittywampus and Bobbie Jo

[Bobbie Jo]

61. Ya know...

It's the school yard posts like this that lead people to question the sincerity and motivation behind this OP.

The flippant attitude is really rather telling.

[KittyWampus]

63. show your true colors for all to see.

[99Forever]

65. The AG is supposed to do a job?

Eric Holder has proved he can collect the paycheck without ever doing ANYTHING for We the People.

Worst. Fucking. AG. EVER.

[MFrohike]

71. He did his job

He refused to prosecute, hell investigate, some of the greatest crimes in American history. He claimed (at different times), there was no crime, he couldn't prosecute because it would hurt the economy, through Lanny Breuer that no witnesses had come forward, that he would prosecute, and then that the likely opposing counsel was too smart for DOJ (another subordinate made this claim). I don't get how you say he's not doing his job when he's that busy working up excuses for failing to prosecute.

As for civil rights, he's filed a few suits and made some speeches. Great. Any success on that front? Is the current investigation going to go anywhere? Oh, that's right, the leaks of the past couple of months make it clear that it's not. It's simply being "continued" because to shut it down too early would expose the reality that it was always just for show.

Eric Holder is doing his job and he's doing it damn well. It's just not the job you thought he was supposed to be doing.

[ProfessorGAC]

75. Sorry. I Nodded Off Reading Your Post

Did you say something? I mean something other than the usual bleating?

[ucrdem]

79. The DOJ has two open investigations of the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson:

The Department of Justice has two open investigations: one of Wilson and the other of the police treatment of Ferguson protesters.

By Alessandria Masi on November 24 2014

There are currently two open Department of Justice investigations related to Brown’s death: One probe into Wilson and the other into the Ferguson Police Department’s practices, according to McClatchy. The first could find Wilson guilty of violating Brown’s civil rights. The DOJ must prove “without a reasonable doubt” that Wilson knowingly and intentionally “deprived” Brown of “a right or privilege protected by the Constitution of laws of the United States,” according to federal law via McClatchy. However, experts don’t believe this is a likely outcome.

“Criminal enforcement of constitutional rights is not something that is easily pursued, Samuel Bagenstos, a University of Michigan law professor, recently told the Associated Press. It really requires building a case very carefully, very painstakingly.”

The DOJ and several civil rights organizations are investigating a possible case against the Ferguson Police Department for mistreatment of protesters who have been almost daily fixtures on Ferguson's streets since August. The DOJ is also investigating the department's practices and relationship with constituents prior to Brown’s death. When protests began, some police officers were seen wearing “I am Darren Wilson” bracelets.

“The expressive accessory itself is exacerbating an already tense atmosphere between law enforcement and residents in Ferguson,” according to a letter from the DOJ to the Ferguson chief of police. “These bracelets reinforce the very 'us versus them' mentality that many residents of Ferguson believe exists.”

more: http://www.ibtimes.com/ferguson-indictment-officer-darren-wilson-ferguson-police-department-could-still-face-1728858

[woo me with science]

80. K&R. And it's time for Obama to do his.

And that job extends beyond pretty speeches.

When do these programs end?
____________________________________________________________________________

The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424

Police Militarization (including the Obama administration's role)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.

The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.

The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter&quot , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.”

Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.

[marble falls]

81. You got it exactly right manny. No one else has been able to get justice, its up to the DOJ to do...

its mandated job. Justice delayed is justice denied.